I wont be surprised if Odo's list actually did indeed contain every single Worf security screw up of the Enterprise-D and not just the Rascals and Matter of Time incidents.
I really do like Odo but Odo is consistently someone who has the single pettiest streak and will defy and fight anyone who dares to have any authority around him. It’s probably some part of the Founders in him that are a bit shameful to him, and maybe cause he is so used to battling the Cardassians he can’t not do it.
It would track that Odo keeps meticulous records that would put the Gestapo to shame. Not that Odo's a Nasty, it's just that his preference for order is in his nature as a Founder.
The writers saw the B-plot as an opportunity to indicate how DS9 Worf was going to be different from TNG Worf. As Ronald D. Moore explained, "He used to be a cop, more or less, on the USS Enterprise-D, but it's not going to be like that anymore. We wanted to keep emphasizing, 'this is not TNG. The station doesn't work like the Enterprise. Worf is going to have some troubles fitting in, but he's going to learn.'"
Even though fully against the producers wishes, they really did take the fact they were dumped Worf and let it actually be an asset to the show. They could had easily just made him open the hailing frequencies and be a brute when needed. But they really fleshed out the character much better than TNG, even with some solid Worf centric TNG episodes l.
Star Trek has a habit of making planets seem really small. It's honestly pretty funny. I would also have liked to see the Jem'Hadar squad leader return, if they had time for it.
@@marshallhuffer4713 See also "Planet of Hats," for the cultural equivalent. Because Eskimos and Aztecs are the same, right? Just like Bantus and Berbers!
It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw that the genetic anomaly that caused the Jem'Hedar squad leader to not require Ketracel-White is also what caused him to contemplate an alternative life for the Jem'Hedar.
I love that in this episode Sisko is still working on that clock he made when he was possessed all the way back in 'Dramatis Personae'. Low-key that's one of my favorite episodes. Apparently the clock was auctioned off some time ago. Personally that's the one artifact from all of Star Trek that I would love to have.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched that episode, but I know he recommend caution while Riker ignored him. Was the outwitting something that happened later in the episode or in a different one than I’m thinking of?
The main plot of this episode definitely needed a bit more refinement, but at least the Worf subplot goes a long way towards redeeming the whole! Honestly I think bringing Worf to DS9 was the best thing they ever did for the character.
I'm waiting to get the episode a friend and I requested uploaded to UA-cam, but I know that'll be a while. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait a while for Sugar Dirt.
The thing about Worf sub-plot, even if Odo owes him no explanation, Odo revealing he was aware of Worf's tracking him and incorporated into his plan, really makes it as much his own fault as Worf's. He may be right about Worf having no business interfering with his job, but once he decides to let him do it as part of his plan, he doesn't get to complain about Worf making a legal arrest at an inconvenient time due to information he wasn't provided with.
Certainly Odo should have at least told him the minimal information needed to keep Worf from interfering with his operation, regardless of its secretive nature. Just something to the effect of "I'm aware of Quark's dealings, he's doing something for me. This is classified information." Unless the smugglers had his office bugged it would have been a minimal security risk. But it's true that Odo is a headstrong character and unrelenting arrogance is characteristic of his species, so him acting in the way he did is reasonable. But the ending could have been reworked slightly to have Sisko point out to Odo that Worf is part of their team and can be relied upon to assist should it be necessary in the future, instead of keeping him completely in the dark.
Regardless of switching directors between Auberjounois and Livingston for production scheduling, the ep felt.... WEAK. Such potential... but petered out. The planet's stage lighting was really bad, the camera was outta focus most of the time, and Chattaway's USUAL music really worked against everything. Too bad Scott MacDonald's talent was scheduled for this ep, and not another one. He was the only shinning coin in the pool.
I liked the Jem'Hadar leader in this episode, but I didn't really like the episode itself. The main cast members came off as idiots. Worf's presentation actually makes sense, he has fo adjust to his new surroundings. But why paint Odo, Bashir, and O'Brien in a bad light? I wish we could have met the Jem'Hadar leader again and explored more his immunity to the White. Is the reason he is immune connected to his willingness to reconsider the Dominion's way of life. This had potential, but it was wasted.
Okay so I'll say this. I actually very much DISLIKE this episode. I think no one, from Bashir to O'Brien to Worf to Odo come off ANY good in this episode. All four come off as petulant idiots who only think THEY are right. I did like the Jem'Hadar guy, he was very fascinating and tragic to me. Him, I wanted more of.
And that's okay. One of DS9's good points is that everybody is a shade of gray with character flaws. Bashir will revisit the "I'm the only one with the right answer" several more times.
“A Pakled with a pipe might as well be the Riddler.” is one of my favourite Chuck lines.
I wont be surprised if Odo's list actually did indeed contain every single Worf security screw up of the Enterprise-D and not just the Rascals and Matter of Time incidents.
I really do like Odo but Odo is consistently someone who has the single pettiest streak and will defy and fight anyone who dares to have any authority around him. It’s probably some part of the Founders in him that are a bit shameful to him, and maybe cause he is so used to battling the Cardassians he can’t not do it.
"Hmph. I see, on stardate 44614.6, your wrist was broken by a small Betazoid counselor whom you attacked while she was possessed by an alien."
It would track that Odo keeps meticulous records that would put the Gestapo to shame. Not that Odo's a Nasty, it's just that his preference for order is in his nature as a Founder.
The writers saw the B-plot as an opportunity to indicate how DS9 Worf was going to be different from TNG Worf. As Ronald D. Moore explained, "He used to be a cop, more or less, on the USS Enterprise-D, but it's not going to be like that anymore. We wanted to keep emphasizing, 'this is not TNG. The station doesn't work like the Enterprise. Worf is going to have some troubles fitting in, but he's going to learn.'"
For anyone who had fears that Worf was gonna waltz in and take over DS9, Odo shut them up right quick.
He used to be a cop, more or less. Now he's a competent cop.
Bashir and O'brien. Trek's greatest Bromance.
Even though fully against the producers wishes, they really did take the fact they were dumped Worf and let it actually be an asset to the show. They could had easily just made him open the hailing frequencies and be a brute when needed. But they really fleshed out the character much better than TNG, even with some solid Worf centric TNG episodes l.
Star Trek has a habit of making planets seem really small. It's honestly pretty funny. I would also have liked to see the Jem'Hadar squad leader return, if they had time for it.
The trope is called "Planetville."
@@marshallhuffer4713 See also "Planet of Hats," for the cultural equivalent. Because Eskimos and Aztecs are the same, right? Just like Bantus and Berbers!
It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw that the genetic anomaly that caused the Jem'Hedar squad leader to not require Ketracel-White is also what caused him to contemplate an alternative life for the Jem'Hedar.
Quark Fashion > Neelix Fashion
It helped that DS9 was the only show to actually have a fashion designer create the clothing props...
Quark > Neelix
I love that in this episode Sisko is still working on that clock he made when he was possessed all the way back in 'Dramatis Personae'. Low-key that's one of my favorite episodes. Apparently the clock was auctioned off some time ago. Personally that's the one artifact from all of Star Trek that I would love to have.
Worf WAS outwitted by Pakleds previously.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched that episode, but I know he recommend caution while Riker ignored him. Was the outwitting something that happened later in the episode or in a different one than I’m thinking of?
The main plot of this episode definitely needed a bit more refinement, but at least the Worf subplot goes a long way towards redeeming the whole! Honestly I think bringing Worf to DS9 was the best thing they ever did for the character.
Special shout-out to how totally f'n awesome Scott Thompson is in this episode. He had one of the very best Jem'hadar roles in the entire show.
2:00 Who else thought of "My Fair Lady" here?
"Well why can't a woman be like you?"
Hey, that was my request! Long time ago 😀
We appreciate your forward thinking and patience!~
I'm waiting to get the episode a friend and I requested uploaded to UA-cam, but I know that'll be a while.
Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait a while for Sugar Dirt.
Unfortunately the orange cones around the planet got hit by that plasma thingy
and of course landed at the same spot
The thing about Worf sub-plot, even if Odo owes him no explanation, Odo revealing he was aware of Worf's tracking him and incorporated into his plan, really makes it as much his own fault as Worf's. He may be right about Worf having no business interfering with his job, but once he decides to let him do it as part of his plan, he doesn't get to complain about Worf making a legal arrest at an inconvenient time due to information he wasn't provided with.
What makes you think that was part of Odo’s plan? It sounds like Worf cocked up Odo’s plan because the smugglers got away.
Certainly Odo should have at least told him the minimal information needed to keep Worf from interfering with his operation, regardless of its secretive nature. Just something to the effect of "I'm aware of Quark's dealings, he's doing something for me. This is classified information." Unless the smugglers had his office bugged it would have been a minimal security risk. But it's true that Odo is a headstrong character and unrelenting arrogance is characteristic of his species, so him acting in the way he did is reasonable. But the ending could have been reworked slightly to have Sisko point out to Odo that Worf is part of their team and can be relied upon to assist should it be necessary in the future, instead of keeping him completely in the dark.
Regardless of switching directors between Auberjounois and Livingston for production scheduling, the ep felt.... WEAK. Such potential... but petered out. The planet's stage lighting was really bad, the camera was outta focus most of the time, and Chattaway's USUAL music really worked against everything.
Too bad Scott MacDonald's talent was scheduled for this ep, and not another one. He was the only shinning coin in the pool.
I liked the Jem'Hadar leader in this episode, but I didn't really like the episode itself. The main cast members came off as idiots. Worf's presentation actually makes sense, he has fo adjust to his new surroundings. But why paint Odo, Bashir, and O'Brien in a bad light?
I wish we could have met the Jem'Hadar leader again and explored more his immunity to the White. Is the reason he is immune connected to his willingness to reconsider the Dominion's way of life. This had potential, but it was wasted.
Okay so I'll say this. I actually very much DISLIKE this episode. I think no one, from Bashir to O'Brien to Worf to Odo come off ANY good in this episode. All four come off as petulant idiots who only think THEY are right. I did like the Jem'Hadar guy, he was very fascinating and tragic to me. Him, I wanted more of.
And that's okay. One of DS9's good points is that everybody is a shade of gray with character flaws. Bashir will revisit the "I'm the only one with the right answer" several more times.
There were SO many gay overtones in DS9. It's too bad they weren't allowed to explore them further... 😕