The philosophy of the Great Material Continuum makes so much sense for a mercantile race like the Ferengi, and I feel like it was likely the core belief holding the society together before the Rules of Acquisition took over.
I was a submarine supply officer, and I love this episode, especially the Nog plot. It was only a slight exaggeration of some of the more insane things you have to do in military logistics.
@@bthsr7113 My father served on a Navy ship and he had issues with supply aboard the ship. His weapon station had a malfunction and needed a replacement part. Now supply has that part, but cannot release it because regulations say the ship may not be underway without those spares. But they need the weapons operational to be on patrol as well. I think the Navy coined the term Catch 22.
After all we've seen from Weyoun(s) over the course of the show, it's impressive that this episode actually made (a) Weyoun _sympathetic._ I know that wasn't on _my_ bingo card!
I would argue this isn't the only time he's been played that way, but I might just be thinking of times the Vorta as a whole have been made at least somewhat sympathetic by virtue of how the Founders created and treat them, rather than Weyoun specifically.
For those who doubt Nog's ingenuity, never forget, he's one of nine people to WIN the Kobiashi Maru scenario, which includes the three times people hacked it. This is because his solution was so outside the thought processes of the scenario's designers that he simply overrode the logic of it, as the program couldn't find a logical reason to not accept his solution.
@@Rezkeshdadesh I remember it involved trading something for the lives of the crews of both vessels, which negotiation had never even been an option before that point. But since the enemy, in his case Romulans, were programmed to act just like they would, they decided to hear him out, and allowed him to depart with the crew after the exchange.
@@SageofStars IIRC, every other cadet in the simulator's jaw drops when they hear Nog say three words they never expected an officer of Starfleet to say, "Name your price!"
@@SageofStars Good reference but I looked it up and it's a bit of a stretch to call that story canon. It's in a published anthology of short stories that are essentially fan fiction. Good for the writer in thinking the idea up, though.
Oooh yeah this is probably my favorite story of Season 7. Great A and B plots, a new look at one of the primary villains, and another excellent utilization of one of the B-tier characters.
I have long thought that when the Ferengi started joining Starfleet in numbers that they would take over the Federation Quartermaster corp, akin to the Philipino mafia in the US Navy, completely overhaul it and be a MAJOR reason for the Federations recovery after the Dominion War.
Great episode. Aron Eisenberg is superb, again. As is the ever brilliant Jeffrey Combs. LOVE the quick Red Dwarf clip! Why does O'Brien seem to be the ONLY engineer? Couldn't Weyoun just *pretend* to activate his suicide chip? Then just act out a dramatic painful death? 😆😉
I think he was too scared for Odo to think that clearly. He still sees him as a God, and to let harm befall him is unthinkable. The most surefire way to get his replacement to call off the attack dogs is to remove himself. Had he been more more calm and rational he might have been able to think of faking his death, or to openly hail the Jem Ha'dar to show that they'd been sent to hunt down a ship with a Founder on board. That they'd been ordered into such a position as to be complicit in deicide. THAT would likely give the Rio Grande a chance to escape while Weyoun 7 had to deal with a VERY angry wolfpack of ships whose crews knew they'd been ordered to enact the high heresy, and not by the defector.
I wouldn't be surprised if the chip had a location transponder that sends a signal out confirming that it's been activated to prevent that exact scenario
fwiw, the guy who traded a paperclip for a house relied on the generosity of people around the country and their willingness to help him succeed. It's not that he was able to make shrewd deals, just that he was a likeable guy with a fun mission who was willing to drive a long way to meet people. For instance, he gave a keg and Budweiser sign to a comedian in exchange for a snowmobile. No one would make that trade just because they really wanted a keg.
Of the Trek series I've seen, I think DS9 probably had the best skill when it came to fleshing out the secondary characters. And the actors were certainly up to the task in this episode.
In a Trek series said st the time to be the least Trek Like. Showing how multiculturalism within an organization, creates a net benefit. Is Trek at its best. Sure we had Vulcans who were smart, strong and had telepathic powers. Or Worf being stong, brave and honorable. But Nog showed how he takes what is considered the Farangi worst traits, and show how it is a benefit, was actually genius writing.
Never before has the glory of capitalism been so perfectly described. DS9 was such a breast of fresh air to Star Trek. From have to want and back again.. each party coming away with something he values more than what he gave away, so the wealth grows. Beautiful thing. Sad to see it end, and somehow get the blame for its own demise.
That's commerce, not capitalism. Capitalism is the drive towards accumulating everything. It's self-centred and destructive towards all who are not the self. Don't try to twist meanings.
Remember this beautiful old analogy about a great river of things flowing from where they are to where they're needed? ...Yeah capitalist markets don't work like that.
Honestly they prettymuch do. When it fails to that's so noticable it becomes news, and that failure is so rare you don't even notice how much it succeeds. You just think it's the default, natural state of the world when it's anything but.
@@Xylos144 LMAO, how sheltered are you? Most times when stuff is lacking where it's needed, you won't even hear of it in the media, because the people who suffer from it aren't considered important enough for any western media to care.
@@Xylos144That’s a bit simplistic. Of course huge failures are often news, hence the old saying “if it it bleeds it leads”. But “failure is so rare it’s newsworthy” isn’t true either because often those events go unreported or happen in a distant third world country. For just one example (corporate greed leading to environmental disaster) relatively soon after BP made their famous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico it turned out that Shell made a similar spill in Africa but that barely got coverage in comparison.
The philosophy of the Great Material Continuum makes so much sense for a mercantile race like the Ferengi, and I feel like it was likely the core belief holding the society together before the Rules of Acquisition took over.
I was a submarine supply officer, and I love this episode, especially the Nog plot. It was only a slight exaggeration of some of the more insane things you have to do in military logistics.
Considering how important and powerful our submarines are supposed to be, that's more than a little concerning.
@@bthsr7113 My father served on a Navy ship and he had issues with supply aboard the ship. His weapon station had a malfunction and needed a replacement part. Now supply has that part, but cannot release it because regulations say the ship may not be underway without those spares. But they need the weapons operational to be on patrol as well.
I think the Navy coined the term Catch 22.
"My life is in danger."
"From who?"
"Everyone."
""Aren't you being a little paranoid?"
"Of course I'm paranoid; everyone's trying to kill me!"
After all we've seen from Weyoun(s) over the course of the show, it's impressive that this episode actually made (a) Weyoun _sympathetic._ I know that wasn't on _my_ bingo card!
I would argue this isn't the only time he's been played that way, but I might just be thinking of times the Vorta as a whole have been made at least somewhat sympathetic by virtue of how the Founders created and treat them, rather than Weyoun specifically.
My favorite part of this episode is when Rom says "oh, that river".
This is one of my favorite DS9 episodes. Great Nog and Weyoun character work.
For those who doubt Nog's ingenuity, never forget, he's one of nine people to WIN the Kobiashi Maru scenario, which includes the three times people hacked it. This is because his solution was so outside the thought processes of the scenario's designers that he simply overrode the logic of it, as the program couldn't find a logical reason to not accept his solution.
What did he do?
@@Rezkeshdadesh I remember it involved trading something for the lives of the crews of both vessels, which negotiation had never even been an option before that point. But since the enemy, in his case Romulans, were programmed to act just like they would, they decided to hear him out, and allowed him to depart with the crew after the exchange.
@@SageofStars IIRC, every other cadet in the simulator's jaw drops when they hear Nog say three words they never expected an officer of Starfleet to say, "Name your price!"
@@SageofStars Good reference but I looked it up and it's a bit of a stretch to call that story canon. It's in a published anthology of short stories that are essentially fan fiction. Good for the writer in thinking the idea up, though.
In a book?
Oooh yeah this is probably my favorite story of Season 7. Great A and B plots, a new look at one of the primary villains, and another excellent utilization of one of the B-tier characters.
finaly an Episode that explores Weyouns tragical potential
I have long thought that when the Ferengi started joining Starfleet in numbers that they would take over the Federation Quartermaster corp, akin to the Philipino mafia in the US Navy, completely overhaul it and be a MAJOR reason for the Federations recovery after the Dominion War.
Great episode. Aron Eisenberg is superb, again. As is the ever brilliant Jeffrey Combs.
LOVE the quick Red Dwarf clip!
Why does O'Brien seem to be the ONLY engineer?
Couldn't Weyoun just *pretend* to activate his suicide chip? Then just act out a dramatic painful death? 😆😉
I think he was too scared for Odo to think that clearly. He still sees him as a God, and to let harm befall him is unthinkable. The most surefire way to get his replacement to call off the attack dogs is to remove himself.
Had he been more more calm and rational he might have been able to think of faking his death, or to openly hail the Jem Ha'dar to show that they'd been sent to hunt down a ship with a Founder on board. That they'd been ordered into such a position as to be complicit in deicide. THAT would likely give the Rio Grande a chance to escape while Weyoun 7 had to deal with a VERY angry wolfpack of ships whose crews knew they'd been ordered to enact the high heresy, and not by the defector.
I wouldn't be surprised if the chip had a location transponder that sends a signal out confirming that it's been activated to prevent that exact scenario
fwiw, the guy who traded a paperclip for a house relied on the generosity of people around the country and their willingness to help him succeed. It's not that he was able to make shrewd deals, just that he was a likeable guy with a fun mission who was willing to drive a long way to meet people. For instance, he gave a keg and Budweiser sign to a comedian in exchange for a snowmobile. No one would make that trade just because they really wanted a keg.
Of the Trek series I've seen, I think DS9 probably had the best skill when it came to fleshing out the secondary characters. And the actors were certainly up to the task in this episode.
The Sisko worried about his child bit had me stitches...no lies detected
This is my favorite Weayun episodes.
In a Trek series said st the time to be the least Trek Like. Showing how multiculturalism within an organization, creates a net benefit. Is Trek at its best. Sure we had Vulcans who were smart, strong and had telepathic powers. Or Worf being stong, brave and honorable. But Nog showed how he takes what is considered the Farangi worst traits, and show how it is a benefit, was actually genius writing.
Top 20 DS9 episode.
Another banger of an episode.
Self sealing stem bolts.
I love all Sfdebris videos!
Ah, the episode that gave Chuck Lorre the idea of how title Young Sheldon episodes lol
Oh my God, Damar totally
did not kill Weyoun !
Never before has the glory of capitalism been so perfectly described. DS9 was such a breast of fresh air to Star Trek. From have to want and back again.. each party coming away with something he values more than what he gave away, so the wealth grows. Beautiful thing. Sad to see it end, and somehow get the blame for its own demise.
Touch grass.
@@starwarsnerd100 touch cash
"breast of fresh air"
@@jlev1028 A breath of fresh a**.
That's commerce, not capitalism.
Capitalism is the drive towards accumulating everything. It's self-centred and destructive towards all who are not the self. Don't try to twist meanings.
Romero movie nice !
B plot speed fix ship
0:40 speak for yourself
Remember this beautiful old analogy about a great river of things flowing from where they are to where they're needed?
...Yeah capitalist markets don't work like that.
It turns out that Ferengi myths about the blessings of Capitalism are just as bogus as the ones us Hoomons have.
It's just the worst economic system except for all the others that have been tried.
Honestly they prettymuch do. When it fails to that's so noticable it becomes news, and that failure is so rare you don't even notice how much it succeeds. You just think it's the default, natural state of the world when it's anything but.
@@Xylos144 LMAO, how sheltered are you? Most times when stuff is lacking where it's needed, you won't even hear of it in the media, because the people who suffer from it aren't considered important enough for any western media to care.
@@Xylos144That’s a bit simplistic. Of course huge failures are often news, hence the old saying “if it it bleeds it leads”. But “failure is so rare it’s newsworthy” isn’t true either because often those events go unreported or happen in a distant third world country.
For just one example (corporate greed leading to environmental disaster) relatively soon after BP made their famous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico it turned out that Shell made a similar spill in Africa but that barely got coverage in comparison.