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BRO.. YOU are prolly the very few who completely understood Bleach Woah...! Preach Brother Preach! WE NEED ABOUT A MILLION MORE like you who perfectly knows his way through the serie. You know Bleach has been hyped for the Superficial reasons which aren't even it's strongest Points, for soo long, ...people always had wrong Expectations from BLEACH, ...Good to see you went into it, With no Expectations, just like me (i usually do this cuz it makes me enjoy the serie to the full, even the worst of Series 😂)
@@TheRockerX The thing with FMA and Code Geas is that they didn't have to deal with leaks and they tied all the themes and characters they developed. Hell, Code Geass had a messy final arc but the ending literally undid all the cristicisms it was building up.
It's not a paradox, it's not a problem of the readers, it's a simple storytelling issue: Falling Action. Not in terms of fighting, but in terms of story complexity. Most of these series takes years to build, establishing a world, characters, conflicts, relationships, etc. However, while frenetic action, suspense and mystery are great in building worlds up, they sucks when winding things down. The better a story is in its build-up, the greater care needs to be taken when winding it down, making sure that there is enough action and conflict even during the wrap-up. However, that is almost never the case. Once the BBEG is defeated, there are no secondary conflicts to let the story come down slowly. The story just ends. It's like sex without the aftercare. There is a great and easy way authors can avoid doing this, all they need to
I 100 percent agree with this and I think the burnout authors suffer under shueisha has it that by the time they reach the climax they simply speedrun the falling action by putting it all into one war arc before calling it a day.
This is a good point but its kind of ignoring the other factors that come into play when people regard an ending. Like character conclusions or how well the final conflict was even handled. Once a conflict that has been build up to ends, most readers would already feel more or less relieved and there is not really much of a need for more conflicts for the story.
I personally think mha's ending concluded pretty well for a lot of its characters. I didn't except more from yagi, bakugo, the todorokis, uravity etc. I think they pretty much fulfilled their arcs. my 2 let downs were deku and shigiraki mostly for how little agency they had for the last stretch of the story. I don't really get the McDonald's joke, is the implication dekus end was akin to working minimum wage? I mean his gets to be somewhat of a hero both in the classroom and out of it....people must have had some big dreams for our boy 🤣.
@@SirSov3r3ign Absolutely! This is the exact reason! It's understandable that authors feel burnout by churning out issues week after week for years at end and just grow physically and emotionally exhausted. The idea of writing an entire arc for falling action must seem unbearable to them so they end it exactly with the biggest arc, instead of delving into a last, wrap-up arc with a smaller-scale conflict driving it.
@@EthanZheKaiSinghBlss The point of falling action is to wrap-up character arcs, plot threads, and the fallout of the climax to give the story a feeling of completion. If a story can do that in the main arc, that's great but it requires significant planning, such as "Full Metal Alchemist". The reason we're talking about Battle Shonen is because they spend too much time in building up the conflict and too little time resolving it.
This is one reason why I think Assassination Classroom is severely underappreciated. It never overstayed it's welcome, despite being massively popular enough at the time that Jump probably tried to extend it, but it ended on it's own terms perfectly instead.
@@fawazfaruqui5198 FMA's story was about Ed's quest to correct a mistake that he and his brother made long ago. He became an alchemist for that reason. Being an alchemist didn't define him, but what he sacrificed did. Once he saw an opportunity to obtain everything he wanted, he didn't _need_ to be the "Fullmetal Alchemist" anymore. In MHA's case, Deku was _defined_ by his status as a hero. He wanted to be like All Might: the Symbol of Peace. He achieved some semblance of that, but the world eventually understood that relying on a singular figure to secure peace is unsustainable. The world didn't need someone like All Might anymore. In other words, the world didn't need Deku's goal. He may have defeated the big bad, but does that make him #1? It became less about how _Deku_ became the #1 Hero/Symbol of Peace and more about how _Class 1-A_ became the _Symbols_ of Peace. The goalpost changed over time, which is what makes the final message a little strange to me. It's an understandable evolution of the goal, though, nevertheless.
I’m pretty sure that the author had the whole ending and a large general plan for the entire series before starting to write it. Planning out your story helps a ton
@@ursaminor2732I don’t see how it contradicts at all. By all accounts Deku was the #1 hero (just not officially), but the entire world knows he was the top hero and the only one capable of saving everyone. The even wrap the whole thing up in a nice bow, deku was told he could be a hero by being given OFA. At the end of the series OFA is gone, but he can still be a hero (hero enough to mentor young heroes and hero enough to go out there and save people himself) The whole point of the series is to change the definition of what a hero is/looks like
I guess the thing that keeps surprising me is just how people will unceremonously switch up their stance and begin mocking the works that they loved so much before at the first sigh of a controversial ending, and will refuse to try to engage with the art in a more positive light. The ammount of toxicity Horikoshi, Akutami, Isayama, Kishimoto, Kubo and others have received from former fans is bonkers. Hardly ever conclusions for popular media are perfect, but hardly ever are as bad as people make them out to be.
imo alot of those mangas already has alot of fans who started to hate it in the dozen or so last chapters, i don't think their opinions changed just because the ending.
Jjk was never a great series due to the wierd author decisions that ruined character development and the narrative possibilities but many fanboys didn't want to accept that the problems became apparent in shibuya and the Next arcs
I think the best way to handle manga endings is simple: 1: Don't go into leaks 2: Stay off the fandom to form your own opinion 3: Think if you personally enjoyed it or not
no, stay off the anime fandoms in general. They’re all toxic, i haven never seen in 10 years a anime fandom that allows you to have an opinion without attacking you and that doesn’t work like an echo-chamber (people in it hating or loving something cause others do).
I think the best example I've seen of people zeroing in on one aspect of a story was with Yuji at the ending, seeing some people here and there say that they're disappointed that Yuji isn't going out on missions alone considering his strength...and I had to sit there and wonder if these people read the story at all, ESPECIALLY Hidden Inventory, cuz that would've flew in the face of everything
The final chapter also shows that fated battles to save the world are not what makes a difference: it’s lending a hand! Helping people who are scared, and lifting people out of despair
@@bananabanana484 A big part of why I genuinely love the ending, Yuji found the new path for the "strongest" that Gojo thought he'd find, one that wouldn't allow for what happened to Geto to happen again
it just shows that alot of people have such a hard on for the 'big strong do it all on his own protagonist' that they lose common sense. It's like being mad at Guts for caring about Casca above anything else or at Batman for caring about his kids
to add about leaks, some people just straight up only read the leaks and not the actual manga chapter. people who just jump from leak to leak and not read the chapters, so any mistake in the leaks will be their reality which can build up the dislike and hate
Exactly! And you add to it that UA-camrs, who may or may not even like the actual story, will try to get on the JJK hype train by quickly reading the leaks to get a chapter discussion up before the chapter even drops so now thousands of ppl in the JJK community are having their initial opinion on the chapter formed by a guy who read leaks before the official chapter even makes it to either of them. It's wild
I really appreciate the nuanced look at series like jjk and bleach, which often get oversimplified and over hated by their own fans. I think a better term for ‘bad ending’ is ‘controversial ending’, since you’ll always find people who really enjoyed the endings everyone calls bad
I think bleach and jjk had a better ending than naruto. I love all 3 but naruto is about the journey not the destination...really ruined its ending to make boruto. Which i enjoy reading boruto but im going off topic now so anyways...ya jjk ending isnt bad to me at all
By that logic, then what’s a bad ending if everything is controversial? Nothing is ever pure black or white after all, anything will have likers or haters.
@@unioneye1087 Promised neverland, Seven deadly sins, darling franXX, were pretty uncontroversial bad endings. But yeah, you’re right in the sense that most bad endings of popular series are going to be divisive in some way.
@@beaneater4277 I mean literally not a single character had any worth in JJK. I don't even know what was the point of the whole manga. At the end you look back at it and see bunch of fights. Actually, no, Inventory arc is the only one that had good clear narrative and character progression. Yuji vs Mahito. Junpei too. But the rest of the story wasted all meaning of it. So many threads abandoned. You can't name it anything but bad, even if someone could enjoy it on a basic level.
@miramaxcinemax5512 lol that's one way of seeing it..but i feel like i have a more in-depth perspective..although im not to good with my words so im not going to try to explain it..plenty of others feel the same and can express mutual feelings about it here on yt
There are people who, to this day, thought the ending was bad and there are some who say It would be better if Giorno appears at the end to defeat Pucci💀💀💀
@Oslya1 no he admitted he has notes for an ending just in case he dies. However, he doesn't think it would be the best because he seen what happened when other series had to be finished using just the notes.
25:18 BRO someone said it My hero’s ending has me Pissed off not cuz I hated it but because I feel like every time. It’s brought people will JUST lie Like IVE had WAYY to many people telling me Midoriyas friends abandoned him for 8 years
The funny part is that there were already people on youtube like certain reaction channels who roughly predicted the ending the story before it happened. How you may ask? By paying attention to the characters, story, themes, symbolism, and overall narrative of the series and using their brain to come up with a logical conclusion to it ☠ People who say the ending is ''garbage'' or that it came out of nowhere never read MHA and it shows.
Yeah they didnt, they were just busy and being adults. Which yiould ve communicated better, i guess, but isnt bad, and its a good end, mostly. Demon slayer has a good ending thou, and as does , ok an ending that doesnt ruin the theme and characters, is good. Still JJK is a terrible end making death meaningless in a story that , like is very edgy. Why?That is a skill and or editor nd or tonal issue.
This video is encouraging me to read series to their entirety instead of jumping from series to series and waiting for updates. It’ll help me comprehend things better. It’s also making me want to re read series that i’ve already read. I usually never do that because I want to read basically everything. (I have a REALLY long list of series and animes and It’s really too much for one person), but i end up forgetting things and It’s not good. IT ALSO MAKES ME WANNA ANALYZE CHARACTERS MORE!!! there’s so many that I find interesting and I wanna write out how I feel about them, so thanks for the new hobby inspo!
24:27 I was also around during the AOT manga ending era. I'll never forget how much damage that "leaker" did to the perception of AOT's ending. To this day, there's still folks who unironically think Eren literally turned into a bird. All because of a bad faith leaker.
What about the Russian leaker who tranlated Eren's conversation with Historia talking about how he will do the rumbling into a love confession. I remember arguing with a dude about the ending a month after it ended and he was confused when I told him that was not even official. He actually thought eren asked Historia to have a child with and marry her because of some leaker making a meme. How you hate an ending you only read in leaks lmao.
13:52- Notably, Tousen went against his Shinigami core by discarding the use of his Bankai in favor of using Visored and eventually Hollow powers, Aizen discards his Zanpakuto abilities in favor of the Hogyoku that eventually makes him into unrecognizable hollow-like monster before his final defeat, and Yhwach takes the Mimihagi, which is a Soul King power that sided with the Shinigami over his own Quincy heritage- each going against their core selves for the sake of gaining power.
@@MaxIronsThirdMimihagi still chose to aid the Shinigami in many ways. On top of Reiō himself abandoning Quincies in general, Mimihagi sided explicitly with Ukitake and used the power of “stillness” to stall the collapse of the worlds. In addition, Mimihagi itself was worshiped but several Shinigami and came to Ukitake’s aid as a child as well. I don’t think ut’s that crazy to say that Mimihagi was on the Shinigami’s side just as Pernida was on the Quincies’.
13:45- notice that notable villains such as Szayel, Barragan, Aizen, and the Quincy of the Vandenreich all have powers to either revive themselves from death or prevent death from happening- showing their fear of death
@@minibluemonkey from what I remember it did receive a lot of criticism when it first dropped but I think people have warmed up to it now similar to the aot situation
THANK YOU!!! You've said so much about how I feel about MHA. I've had to basically divorce myself from the fandom because the sheer dislike, at times near hate, started to affect how much I enjoyed the series. It's not perfect. Nothing really is. And admittedly, I feel like the series should have had been drawn out more (it's ridiculous when you realize that everything in the series takes place in one year basically!); however, the series never strays away from it core themes and I've found even events that I may personally not really enjoy still make sense within the context. I thought the ending was exceptional. It was everything I needed and wanted. It' so easy to constantly want more, to want something to continue forever, and for problems to 'solved'. But what the series needed was a hopeful point to the future; things will be better. And Horokoshi delivered.
I'd argue that the best ingredient to a great ending is twofold: firstly the end goals to be set at the very beginning of the show (getting your brother's body back, to destroy the ring of power, etc.) and secondly to be decided on what the ending will look like from the very beginning. If you make compromises along the way for the show's ending, it will scarcely appear consistent. When the author does not know how to craft a show's finale he will take the path of sudden inflation of stakes and power scales which will feel empty and upset the general consumer. Anyways, it was a pleasure to watch this piece of media, keep up the magnificent work of yours.❤
There's a distinction between "bad" and "disliked" in the professional world, but most fans don't need to be precise. They know when they like something and when they dont. So no matter the number of factors, the outcome is undeniable.
Really really well made video. Pretty much agree with everything, the manga that has the worst ending is the one ending right now, without anyone having the time to reflect on it. And because I know this might get overlooked, wanted to highlight the manga edits throughout this video because, wow! Really visually pleasing stuff
Any battle shonen that's ending in the social media era probably, not one in particular. Just something I noticed from fan reception across twitter when things like MHA, AOT, JJK or DBS ended@@murderman8578
"Sorry... agenda... I'm not even gonna try and push you right now..." "It's just that.... this... recognition... this... understanding... feels so fulfilling..." "Throughout heaven and earth, I, alone, liked the jjk ending."
beautiful fucking video man best animanga I've seen in so long, kinda of hilarious I was chatting with some friends about this exact thing pretty much coming to the same conclusion.
Gurren Lagann had a peak ending. as did FMA: Brotherhood. To all the folks saying: "hurr durr at least we got an ending" Sticking the landing matters. The story is a journey, you cant just act like a shit ending doesnt matter.
Seeing all these endings bring me back to the FMA and Haikyuu endings. Both had such satisfying conclusions that just remembering them hits different so hard.
I've always like the ending of YuYu Hakusho. Seeing everyone move on and Yusuke finding himself felt right with me. Especially how the anime portrays it. It gives me the feeling that everything will be alright even though there might be challenges in the future. Especially Kuwabara who finlly got away from fightingcto focus on what he wanted to do.
I'm not currently in a phase of my life where I have the time to actually go back and read them front to back, but you've single-handedly convinced me that it might be worth it to go back and give both mha and jjk another shot. you've also helped me see the ways my own story and character analyses have fallen short while giving me clear examples of better ways to go about it just by writing your own thoughts on art so clearly and articulately. I think that's a true testament to the high quality of your writing.
Did people dislike the Mashle ending? When it ended it was just sad knowing the story was over and that genuinely it made sense to me at least that it ended. I believed that most other people were mostly just saddened that they would never get to see the characters anymore rather than angered or dissatisfied.
The problem is that these are based on the nekketsu model, which has been dominating the shonen genre for the last 30 years or so. Basically it's heavily inspired by the hero's journey, they usually feature a character that has a dream or vision, they end up meeting friends that will help them reach their goal, they partake in some kind of tournament, and when they are about to fall they get back up, rinse and repeat. Even JJK follows this formula, the Culling games can be seen as a tournament. So in the end JJK suffered from the same problem as Bleach and other series, since they tend to be battle oriented, they end up shoving other aspects to the side, and once you take out the conflict, it ends up falling flat and people are disappointed. The fast pace ends up being detrimental in this case, there's barely time to digest what happened before we jump onto the next big conflict. Honestly I blame YYH. It was so popular that every other series that came after it tried to be it, and it also suffered from being dragged unnecessarily and having a disappointing ending. Thank god for seinen, at least there's more variety, even though very few get an ending at all. Looking at you, Berserk and Vagabond.
Nah it's Dragonballs influence. Every single issue that is effecting battle Shonen stems from Dragonball and it's influence on battle Shonen due to all modern mangaka being either fans of it or influenced by series influenced by it. From a narrative stand point following Dragonballs formula doesn't allow for good endings as Dragonballs ending was open ended because of its narrative. However, all other Battle Shonen that came afterwards follows it's tropes and what happens is that in following it's tropes ends up broken by the end.
Stand proud you cooked. Seriously tho, i spoke with someone recently, that is it weekly shounen magazine industry and how everything operates is what fucks up every shounen ending ever. The fandoms also have impossible to please expectations. Along with many other issues plaguing the industry u talked about. It is a really complex topic, but at the end of the day - shounen will always be my favourite genre of fiction regardless of its flaws, its strong points overshadows its flaws completely imo :) Subbed sir, will check more of your vids and wait for new ones.
Honestly i find it so funny that this is one of the most in-depth, nuanced and honest videos about shounen endings I've ever seen/read/heard to the point that its insane to me that your channel isn't much bigger; but the comments has still devolved into mud-slinging and surface level discussions about specific shounen battle manga endings. I don't know whether that's due to people not finishing the video, lack of comprehension or that people only care about their specific viewpoint over everything. But I just wanna thank you for such a crazy good video and I'm definitely going to share it around to friends
Is it normal for a youtube video on anime to bring you to tears TWICE? WTF I was NOT prepared for this. The editing is phenomenal but you're WRITING omg how did you make me dig deep and truly feel so many moments and emotions. This mf was pulling out studies and memes to explain anime endings yet also writing absolute cinema.
You're amazing man. You captured the feelings I have with manga and anime today, I can admit I'm the both sides. Being a helpless fictional empathizer that changes the whole character (as someone who does write fanfics in my free time), yet someone who can accept the ending we got. As the saying goes "It is what it is." and you'll just have to have your OWN thoughts from a manga/media YOU read. I'd wait for official translations and consume it in my own pace. I'm a huge fan of Violet Evergarden and the sentiment that it's "boring" and "bland" has always bugged me. And yet I simply ignored those words and enjoyed it as what it is, an anime that made me cry and changed my views on life. People may not like it, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy it. With AOT, it holds a special place in my heart. It's the anime that ignited my love of anime and manga as whole. Seeing the reaction of the ending of course fustrated me as I really liked it. And yet again, I just ignored it and was just happy. Yes, maybe some of the stuff in the final chapters were confusing, but I took time to understand it and not scream and blabber in online spaces because I was dumb about it. I have so much to say still, but everything I would say was already in your video. You got a new sub man! ❤️
unless an author adapts a story, I hope magaka can adapt stories from the western market. Seriously there stuff like Worm and other underrated story that never got adapted into a popular media.
I like the jjk ending, yeah I wish there was more in the story, so many things were just wasted, but i love it, the mirrored first and final panels felt so good to see. Catharsis, that’s the emotion I felt seeing the final chapter, I liked it. Chapter 269 still fucking sucked though.
I'm happy about what we got. Obviously, there were other things that could have been explored, but nothing we did get was BAD or even mid in my opinion. 269 (my least favorite chapter) wasn't even too bad when considered on its own, but yeah I don't think it deserved to be one of the final 5 chapters. Nonetheless, thank you, Gege Akutami. I will never forget you for as long as I live.
Honestly Gege left WAY too much unanswered to be satisfied. I like when Series have some unexplained stuff so you can keep guessing but they never showed Sukuna’s backstory, Yuji’s Domain name, the ability of Yuji’s domain, etc
Honestly it's a pretty big change but I would've been more satisfied with jjks ending if the final chapter just showed one panel of Kenjaku still alive and out there somewhere. Obviously it wouldn't mean a part 2 necessarily but it would've given me hope since so much of what was unexplored was related to him
@@Sincere_3 To be fair, Yuji's Domain was shoddily put together in the heat of battle. When Sukuna asked him what did he do at the beginning of chapter 265, he couldn't even answer him. And honestly, Sukuna is better off without a backstory. Not every villain needs one if it's not necessary.
holy crap. the editing in this video is absolutely incredible, and I didn't know you were the one making those parallax looking effects for each of the images you used.
I don’t read manga or watch much anime but honestly in my view a lot of these big moments of hate, are usually due to toxicity on the internet as a whole. A lot of opinions have become a lot more about agreeing with others and not giving things a chance in their own view. And I’m not saying that no one can have similar opinions or that shit but it’s just ppl really can’t give anything a chance and just making opinions and misconceptions based on just things they saw online, like that Naruto video u showed. And the other thing you also mentioned are those who don’t enjoy the series and what to see it fall, which really brings down and covers up all the hidden depth and meaning. Online discussion to me has made these problems of opinions so much worse, things become more toxic and ppl start acting like it’s objective, it’s not just with manga or anime it affects so many other mediums like games, movies, etc. And to finish on smth more positive, this video is beautiful, the discussion, editing, criticism while also talking about positivity, and the length. I love longer videos bc it allows the creator to express their views and ideas more. Hope to see your content more dude bc this shit is fire
After listening to this entire incredibly well thought out, eloquent and highly entertaining and funny video, that you only have 8k followers?!?! This was some of the best anime commentary I've ever heard. You're gonna be big someday!!! Believe it 😉
JJK has the HxH problem. There just isnt enough JJK. Too many hyped up powers not explored, too many character interactions that didn't happen. Definetly in need of spin offs, bonus chapters, and author explanations like Araki does for Jojo.
The difference being that HxH has much better pace. To the point that when Togashi was in his very long hiatus, everyone i talked to was okay with how the manga "ended". HxH delivered on its promises where JJK failed IMO. And i really like JJK.
Finally, finally I've found someone who actually understands MHA and its ending. MHA isn't perfect, far from it, but I still enjoyed the series and I liked its ending. I will never forgive the leakers for what they did to the final chapter and how many people just rolled with it without reading the proper translation. Obviously not all my hopes came true. We didn't get Deku's dad reveal like Hori said we would and IzuOcha was never outwardly confirmed which disappointed me a little (although after the death threats Hori got from crazed shippers, i dont blame him for keeping that aspect open-ended). And while the McDonald's jokes was admittedly a little funny at first, it got old after a while and was used as an excuse to call Deku a "rizzless teacher with no friends" which I don't agree with. But despite all of this, i still enjoyed the story and thought that it wrapped up nicely. I'm also happy that Hori can finally get some much needed rest after working on MHA for a decade, he deserves it. MHA's manga and anime is great, its fanbase is complete and utter fucking garbage. Surprise surprise.
I wouldnt consider MHA ending bad at all. It even got an extended ending now. But i also think majority of the problem are the fans themselves. But ill say it, DBZ WAS THE PICTURE PERFECT ENDING. Super (while i do enjoy it as a DB fan) is completely unneeded.
I feel like most manga would be better served going on hiatus and releasing the epilogue all at once. They’re supposed to be about closure but breaking stories up into parts is about leaving people wanting more. A bigger final chapter a month after the dust settles gives both the author and the audience time to feel like a proper farewell.
We never can blame shonen mangaka to miss their manga ending, being in shonen jump is already very daunting task, so they try to do their best while having most of the time already thought about the ending from the start. Not every ending can please everyone. I'll always respect the author.
I know this is a lot wild hot take, but i need to clear my head while we're on this.. Katekyo Hitman Reborn had a crazy rushed final arc, but that ending is probably the most shounen thing I have ever read. It stuck to the theme and core values of Tsuna. To this very day it gets so much love and the mangaka, Akira Amano, still shows that she hasn't forgotten her masterpiece. Don't start a war in the comments pls, I'm just a fan boy 🥹
It really boils down to a lot of the shonen audience being insanely emotionally immature. They just care about the hype, fights, love, ships, and all the surface level aspects of manga. The deeper story and themes are lost of them half the time, and usually these endings are more reflective of the overall theme, not wrapping up an already action packed story with more action, which is what i expect most shonen junkies to want
Of course it boils down to "readers are the real reason the ending is shit" and not to "it's a a lot of separate issues that snowballed into a bad ending".
@@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469 Both can be true, but I feel like it's because a lot of the endings are like after the big bad has been killed. So what are the people supposed to do? The ending is going to be chill after a usually hype fight. I feel most of the endings have been pretty decent.
The other thing is that it's obvious Kugisaki wasn't in the original plans to come back. When you hear all of Gege's previous interviews you can tell he had no intention of reviving her.
she wasn't revived, when she was taken out a character specificaly showed up and said that he'd given her a chance of survival and then she's never mentioned again if yall thought she was dead it's your own fault.
@@pamelaguerra3768 No it's not. There's literally a scene where Yuji asked Megumi about Kugisaki's condition and he didn't answer instead just avoiding eye contact. Literally what is Gege's intention writing this scene other than to imply that she's dead or Gege is just that bad Also there's no mention or build up of her in ~150 chapters. You are telling me Sukuna, the supposed genius villain, planning on how to kill Gojo the moment he saw ten shadow, didn't account for Kugisaki? that just show how much of a fraud he is (or Gege doesn't want to bring her back)
@@Crashingout-lowkey I don't care about all that. I'm talking about its ending, not the series as a whole. I already know it's peak and people just hating cause they bitches.
it's one of the better endings to a long running series i've read in a while. a shame people are so quick to react so negatively to any series ending. I feel like reading comprenhsion is at such an all time low that this will just get worse and espcially without people just parroting others they see online and not taking the time to come up with their up feelings on it.
In Dr Stones case, the first series I was there for the ending, I was devastated by how bad it was. The final arc and reveal of what caused the petrification was so poorly done and rushed the ending was soured even before it ended with "We're inventing time travel to undo everything" For those who don't know, that isn't where it ends, Dr Stone got a one shot follow up and then a 3 chapter second ending which completely changes the quality of the ending. Basically instead of Senku becoming science jesus and creating time travel its reveal that creating time travel is thousands of years down the line and that they'll all be long gone by then but their efforts will bare fruit in a new timeline where everyone was saved. To prove to Senku and everyone else that it will Why-Man makes an eternal promise that his first action as soon as time travel is invented will be to send a petri signal back in time and petrify Senku's dad The series truly ends with the characters finding his statue and satisfied in the knowledge that one day their goals will be achieved but for now, they can just live peacefully in their stone world.
Amazing video! Thank you so much for creating it. I’ve been thinking about how there’s been an uptick in “bad manga endings” lately and always wondered why people keep pushing that agenda. One Piece is one of my favorite series of all time, so I know it’s going to get flak for how it ends regardless.
I remember reading Yuta vs Sukuna a few chapters after it was done and I was seeing everyone shitting on it. But when reading it myself I could only think “What was everyone talking about? This is awesome!”
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 yea well am also talking about that Yuta made this hype gojo technique only for it to do nothing It’s like hype with no substance
@@risk19l well it’s gege’s fault for making the expectations high lol We have this grand reveal that yuta is taking over giojo’s body and Doing his freaking technique AND CHAPTER LITERALLY ENDS THERE
I agree when it comes to Bleach. While it certainly got very bloated with "canon filler" and lost in its own sauce, then being forced to rush its ending, it still did try to explain everything major and there are clear links from the beginning of the story all the way to the end that seem very intentional. The problem with leaks being inevitable is social media algorithms, they can get paid and as long as you're fan, you will see the leak eventually from it being shared around. Even more so if its disliked.
Gege only did one shots before this. I think he did not even expect it to be picked up as it was said that when Sukuna rips Yuji's heart out at the start, the manga was expected to end. Then it was kept going and going. Plus, weekly pushing out episodes to a story you dont want to work on anymore must be taxing. Gege clearly wanted to move on, he said he wants to do an idol manga. Its like reading a rushed fanfiction vs one that has episodes 2-3 weeks. It hurts my eyes, my heart and my brain all at once... >.> I think it also doesnt help that Anime/ manga community is super degen but JJK fans were next level vile after the Gojo incident... if i already dont want to work on something, and my fans send me death threats, I def will not be in the right mindset to write the next chapter that HAS to go out due weekly press.
I feel like this has to be a myth or Fandom headcanon bc the idea of continuously working on a story you don't like feels contradictory, especially when the industry is known for putting such a physical strain on its creators
@@bobjones9385 You're right, its just a sentiment thats snowballed for JJK and a lot of manga in general. I can only guess but maybe its due to Gege's jokes about Gojo being his least favourite? People parade that as fact and eventually it led to a fake interview where Gege "admits to killing Gojo because he hated him". Same stuff with Gege "hating/being tired of JJK", fans and haters just snowball things until it gets paraded as fact. Like one person on twitter theorized Gege was tired of JJK because of the pacing issues and now people think its something hes actually admitted to.
Firstly, I know you don't mention Naruto's ending but Naruto's ending is Naruto vs Sasuke, which ties every theme in Naruto very well but regardless I still think Madara's ending was fitting since he always had a problem with his back, not trusting people and using people as tools like a shinobi, he believed he escaped the ideals of shinobis but was just living in a delusion. He was filled with hypocrisies such as his love for ninjutsu yet believed that ninjutsu is a problem. In fact prior to the reveal of Kaguya and her similarities with Madara, Madara's ideas of Kaguya fit him almost perfectly. He thought he was a god but he was just living in a dream and he wouldn't even listen to Naruto or anyone else so he got the ultimate wake up call, that being Black zetsu. I do dislike Kaguya but I enjoy Madara's conclusion.
Ngl Madara going out that way was the worst thing about that plot twist for me. Kaguya was fine. I didn’t care if she became the main villain after him. They could’ve saved her for Boruto and changed up the plot a little it’s just the fact that we never got to see Madara who was hyped up for many years and hundreds of chapters/episodes go all out. It really felt like a huge waste of a good villain. To me it also damages the Akatsuki’s legacy. Before the twist, it was an organization which sought to bring peace although it had morally questionable methods. Whether it was Pain, Obito, or Madara pulling the strings, that’s what it stood for. After that twist it became about resurrecting some ancient god. It completely deviated from the themes built up in the story.
Agreed. That was all genuinely compelling. Madara advocating staying in a dream to obtain peace while those choose to bear the hardships of the real face him, his many hypocrisies and the idea that he puts himself as the only one who can do it, even Obito (Who's path and twist I'm still not a fan of.), found himself a victim of the exact same cruelty of the shinobi world from the man who was trying to move past that by having become a more literal tool later. It's all very fitting, even the end with Sasuke Vs. Naruto, but it had to suffer the unfitting choice of making Kaguya come out of nowhere and go from a fight against a comforting lie to just being another big bad trying to turn people into Zetsu for her means with a tacked on backtory.
Why do so many animanga fans want the villain to kill so many people lmao, like that shit does not help them be better written or increase their "aura".
I think it’s mainly due to the fact that the characters in the final battle always have like some final technique that is supposed to kill them and then they just end up surviving easily that. It wasn’t even like no thought out and explained reason why they survived it. It was just oh they survived because why not for example Might guys eight gates battle this was supposed to be his moment where he put everything on the line for his students his friends for his teachers literally 1 of his students JUST died and was supposed to pave way to help beat madara all of that just went out the window all because in that moment, he should’ve died like he had no other purpose to survive like I’m genuinely saying this he should’ve died. It would’ve been a significant sacrifice that everybody knew about SINCE PART 1 OF FUCKIN NARUTO so the fact that Naruto just so happened to randomly get the power to be able to f***ing heal someone like he’s f***ing God is crazy and dumb This could’ve been a moment for might guy and or other characters like Lee, who haven’t gotten much screen time to actually do something relevant for the story instead he just does quite literally nothing because madara was still fine and then he survives anyway so like there was no point in that fight even happening😭🤦🏾♂️ like this was a thing foreshadowed all the way back to part one in the exams everyone knew you’re supposed to die after this technique is used, the author couldn’t even follow through with that instead said no sike he survives
Me when the author decides he doesn't wanna kill a character off for no good reason. And why does it have to be explained besides the characters can heal them? Like that literally would ignore a major part of cursed energy which is rct. Hell everyone dying when they have rct would've been dumber. Same with Guy, Naruto got a new ability and used it, it would've been dumb if he didn't use it. You guys miss how the story isn't always about losing people and people dying lmao.
@Rhenkei we know this but when it’s a random ass ability that we had NO FORESHADOWING FOR or anything sayin they could do that it just feels lik a random “op actually mc can bring people back to life” lik at least with things lik dragon ball where they have these dragons that can grant any wish it doesn’t seem lik a random convenient power up for no reason cuz at the end of the day it’s lik “well we been knew it could do dis”
I'm glad you brought up John Werry in the offical translation section of the vid, and from now on that image of a man in a creepy runner mask will always be how i imagine him. But honestly I don't think it's fair to criticize the way he translated Nobara's return. While it isn't text accurate to the japanese release, the scene it was referencing from the Kyoto event arc (translated by a different translator) also wasn't accurate to the japanese text. In that scene Yuji just says "gotcha" instead of the oppapi line. In this particular instance John Werry chose to have Nobara reference the previous english line of "gotcha" for the sake of consistency with prior translation. I think that makes sense, and still carries the spirit of the call back. Conversely, I think if John Werry still had her make the opappi joke, it actually would have lost that spirit, since it wouldn't actually be calling back to yuji's previous english dialogue. I also wanted to mention that, while the "Nah I'd win" line was originally translated as a simple "No." Viz DID actually go back and change that one, like pretty quick We should really focus on the stuff where Werry is just straight up wrong, and making translations that straight up contradict the story, my personal favorite is "He hasn't been able to heal his wounds because of reverse curse technique"
It’s the plot threads that weren’t tied up for this one fr. Idk the whole final fight and the way they are meta discussing it in flash backs is weird too but it also really feels like there is more his world that got glossed over. I also didn’t like the final few chapters where the characters were like “we shoulda done this and so and so wouldn’ta died.. 😱” and then someone else is like “if we did that… *I* woulda died… 🫢” and that goes on for like a quarter of a chapter
I’m personally not a big fan of battle shonen series but I’m glad I watched this video to get more insight on them and see a generous nuanced take on their storytelling
Finally, someone with a measured view of MHA's ending. I am so tired of people who never read the manga and just went off on leaked mistranslations to shit on the whole ending. I will never say that it was perfect, or I didn't have my own desires for it, but what's there is fitting and follows what came before it. I liked it.
Then there is me who dropped all of these series you say had bad/divisive endings, way before they came to an end, which makes me feel like the bad ending had nothing to do with leaks, peer-pressure or herd mentality. MHA i dropped by ch250 i think, when the heroes were invading the villains hide out, at that point i was just reading out of inertia and wasn't really enjoying anything outside of Endeavoir since the Hero K**er arc, everything about it bored me to tears; JJK i dropped around the middle of the free for all Sukuna fight, Kashimo is a joke, keep in mind i had dropped the series 3 times before and only came back bc of all the hype and murmurs on twitter, dropped in the Curse Womb Paintings arc, then dropped again in the middle of the Culling Games, then finally dropped this sheet for good in the middle of that convoluted and reateeddd Sukuna fight, only good arcs in my opinion are the Sacred Vessel and Shibuya, the rest go from awful to incompetent, unfocused, hollow or cringe. AoT i dropped twice, once when they're going back to Wall Rose or Maria i think, to go into Eren's basement to find out about the Titan's secret, the second and final time was in the middle of Marley's attack on the island, idk know what it is, but it's really hard for me to get invested in a story if i dislike the characters, then nothing that happens matters to me.
I really liked MHA's ending because it ended with Deku doing something only he could do, not his quirk. Later parts felt like his multiple quirks almost overshadowed what made him special which was his heart. Any of the dozens of heroes could punch Shigaraki. Deku was the only one actively trying to save Shigaraki and he even made the ultimate sacrifice and gave up his quirk, his dream. He should've gained everyone's respect. Yet, he's now ridiculed by the internet. Green Goblin was always right.
@@TheSupaman98 that's all you can say, you can't say why, you can't debunk his points just follow the crowd like an NPC and say what everyone else says
I haven’t read the MHA manga so I don’t know the finer details, but one criticism my uneducated fool of a self can offer about its ending is that, at the very beginning of the story, with Deku himself as the narrator, it is stated that this is the story about how he became the greatest hero in the world. And then the story ends with him not having that title. It’s kinda like a betrayal of an expectation given at the very start of the story
I disagree. He did end up becoming the greatest hero, by defeating the main villains, and he was seen as one by many within the story. Being the greatest hero does not necessarily mean being the number one hero. I'd say my main criticisms were the choice to leave the whole Deku x Uraraka relationship open, not having moments of class 1a interacting with each other as adults, and making it seem like Deku becoming a teacher was more of a "pity" job for being quirkless (being a quirk analyst would've been cooler in my opinion). Though most of those problems were eventually fixed with the extended ending that was later added to the final volume a couple days ago. So now I'm content with the new ending.
@K.KLovelyz deku didnt recieve a fraction of the recognition of almighty even after becoming the greatest hero. as a teacher we didnt see new students geeking out excited to attend a class given by a legendary hero. i know deku isnt the type of character to seek recognition but we as fans did want him to achieve almighty lvl recognition bc he did more than enough to deserve it
@@trivialqedI mean there’s literally a billboard in the final chapter with him on it but alright. Well that’s your own opinions and certain fans but that’s not what the story was about having Deku doin this all for some recognition/fame or money would contradict the stain arc entirely making stain die for nothing pretty much, all might was a symbol of peace FOR A TIME but it ultimately led to people becoming lazy and as a result the league of villains was born. Deku, Class 1-A took the best approach which is to constantly contribute to society as a group or to reach out to those who need it and convince others to do so so that one person isn’t taking on that role and eventually having that role become a sort of burden to just one person and so that another LOV isn’t born
“I haven’t read the MHA manga so I don’t know the finer details” “And then the story ends with him not having that title” This speaks volumes considering you’re trying to criticize a manga you don’t read 💀😭but I digress. Deku and Class 1-A all received that title of the greatest heroes because they defeated the greatest villains in their history and era. Also it prevents one person from receiving the whole pedestal like All might because burdening one person with that much responsibility is what made hero society lazy beforehand which caused the LOV to form over time and such
@@izfiz1806 "deku doing this for some recognition/fame or money would contradict the stain arc" i litetally said in my comment (and i quote) "deku isnt the type of character to seek recognition", that was never the point, it was ab giving us readers a cathartic moment where the MC gets rewarded just like the predecessor that inspired him was. U're trying to explain why the ending makes sense in the fictional world while im talking ab the irl storywriting was lackluster to what could've been
The moment you mention the moment all might crush the "the end" I hit like and subscribe cause is the first time I heard someone have so much joy over that as me
The problem with mha ending for me is the fact the manga lied, he said its the story of how he became the greatest hero, only for him to never even get ranked in the top 10, thats like if the strawhats never finds the onepiece, its a total betrayle of our expectations
greatest hero isnt the number 1 hero, just because endeavour became the number 1 hero after all might didnt mean he became the greatest hero does it ?, pay more attention to the final battle where it shows what makes deku so special and better then all might is how he inspires people to do better them selfs and not to rely on another person. something all might failed at, and lead to the socity that created shigaraki, by deku becoming the greatest hero to live he inspired a whole generation of the greatest heroes.
He was the greatest hero though no? He defeated the guy who would have destroyed the world and even almost a decade later is still remembered and looked up to. He did get his dream even if it ended in him not having his quirk. Because remember izuku can still be that hero without a quirk cuz of his suit
i dont even like mha but I get the message. it was never about being number 1. I think being a teacher can also make you a hero. Plus he did beat the big bad of the series
tybw is technically not the ending to the whole franchise its a 2-part story where the "hell arc" is what concludes it along with the nobel families tie to the past with the soul king. Kubo had to write novels on the side since there were so many details that you can't get down on manga without it ending up like a "Togashi panel", and with the anime adaption of tybw its providing a lot of extra content that were missing in the manga since Kubo was rushed. It seems like the new trend nowadays is anime adaption correcting the mistakes of the manga and providing more details the author's didn't get time to implement, like jjk anime had some extra stuff that improved upon the material and shows like AoT got fixed that one wierd genocide moment with Eren and Armin, although its not perfect its an slight improvement.
The leaks only really affected the newer mangas, the main issue with my hero academia is how it went from, "how I became the greatest hero" into, we are all heroes, which sure is a nice sentiment but its too late to pivot when you already place one for all in a pedestal on how important of a power it was supposed to be. Personally mha fell less like ups and downs and more like a carousel and I wanted it to be over like 3 arcs before it did.
Huh? It constantly put the power isn't alone the reason but the individual which is the point of saving with Todoroki vs Deku when Deku wants to give up his power, One For All was created from All For One which in turn are for each other.
@@BabyGirlTiny The power doesn't work if there isn't an individual behind it, you've just contradicted yourself. You need both in order to live with predispositions you've been given in life.
I feel like one piece has a pretty good shot at having one of the best endings in shounen. Because of the Island of Giants, Oda is adding at least 3 years onto the series run, which was originally planned to end in 2025 He is already making moves to tie up loose ends on major side characters Oda is exceptional at juggling multiple plot threads and not forgetting the little things.
The problem is that mangaka don’t keep good track of all their storylines and subplots given that manga are released on a weekly/monthly basis. Deadlines make it harder for them to keep track of everything too. Then they set an expectation for when the story is incomplete, but due to them making the story as it goes, they end up having to rush it to meet that deadline. Mix that with fans expectations and the main character ends up with a rushed “shonen ending dad” haircut after a timeskip where everyone is married to people who they’ve barely interacted with in the actual series.
Amazing video, but media analysis like yours kind of annoy me because you focus so much on the themes of the story and talk about it in a way that sounds fantastic but the reality is that the execution of the story was terrible thats why people give it so much hate. I've seen alot of controversial endings: no country for old men, GOT the red wedding, The sopranos, Barry etc, i truly believe most people are ok with it if it is executed well and because of the format of manga publishing the execution gets so bad because they bately have anytime and are completely burnt out by the end.
This video was really well done, and managed to give me some new perspective. I'm not an avid follower of shounen, but I had watched the MHA anime for a while, but fell off around Season 4. Because of that, I had a bit of a chip on my shoulder, and when I heard how "bad" the MHA ending was, it felt kinda good. But this video made me realize how hypocritical I was being, especially as a fan of AoT and its ending. So now I am actually tempted to go back to MHA and give it another shot, even if it's not perfect. Though I might stick to the manga given I had issues with the anime.
This is, actually good literary analysis. Fair and even handed with criticism and understanding. Good video. Edit: While not every story needs to end with the MC having a wife and kids, MHA hinted at a romance over and over again and then essentially dodged the question in the ending. They basically bunted Uraraka's finally. Yes they could still end up together in the future but showing nothing coming from all that build up was a violation of Chekov's gun. If the romance is never going to be fulfilled or concluded, then dont build it up ahead of time. So yes some shippers are toxic I dont think its wrong to say a series failed to deliver on what it promised, that is a fair criticism.
The romance was more built up for the connection between Ochako and Toga than anything else, how Ochako was suppressing her feelings and Toga could never moderate hers.
@@Biostar96 Wouldn't the most effective culmination of that lesson be for Ochako to _stop_ suppressing her feelings and actually confess to Deku? At the very least, show the fruits of that lesson.
@@twentytwoblue22 No. That is the opposite of what it was trying to say. The whole crux of her thing with Toga, is being able to be open about who you actually are and how you feel. Society forced Toga to conform which led to disastrous results. Something that Ochako was also doing by suppressing her feelings for deku. So the clear message is to not bottle those feelings and instead express them.
@@omarmansuri7099 i get her arc with toga from what I’ve seen and heard. It’s just, I’m gonna be real the second she decided to focus on hero stuff instead of crushing on a boy, said crush seemed to vanish it wasn’t something she was really suppressing. and then we see her develop more with characters like Toga. Ochako expressed her feelings, she wanted to be friends with Toga and now in the end she is making sure others are able to be themselves so no one goes through what toga did
erens ending is like walter white from breaking bad like walter white eren hid his selfish desire of seeing the outside world as a plain sight BEHIND a noble cause of saving his friends/paradise and thats the whole reason he says to reiner 'i am the same as you'
Bro finally I have seen someone who thinks the same as me! I've been thinking this all along that he hides his true desire behind conveniently noble goals to cope with the terrible thing he's done. Obviously its still an interpretation but it's nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks so.
@@captain_trebreh I mean isayama is a big fan of breaking bad and falco is drawn by taking inspiration from jesse so I don’t think it’s a stretch to think if that’s true Also this basically explains what eren meant by ‘I am the same as you Reiner’ When Reiner confessed to eren in s4 ep5 that ‘no eren your mother died because of me I wanted to break the wall that day annie and berthold tried to run away I broke the wall because I wanted to earn respect from people ‘ And what was eren’s reply ? ‘Like I thought I am the same as you’ Before this eren was basically taunting Reiner that ‘if it was to save the world then you didn’t had a choice right’
@@AM17titan and since Reiner confessed it was for a selfish desire of his, hidden by the whole "save humanity" thing, Eren realized he's doing the same thing as Reiner. Pretending to save his people while actually just wanting to see that empty world from his dreams. He is finally able to come to peace with Reiner and put his previous hatred and revenge behind him, realizing he's just as human as the rest of them.
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Sell out how can I take any of your opinions seriously when you peddle this giant turd
lets take a moment to appreciate FMA's ending. probably the most complete ending to any shounen ever
Gintama and code geass both have well appreciated endings
FMA and Code Geass are just lucky to have ended before the social media era
@@TheRockerX The thing with FMA and Code Geas is that they didn't have to deal with leaks and they tied all the themes and characters they developed. Hell, Code Geass had a messy final arc but the ending literally undid all the cristicisms it was building up.
JoJo is holding up good aswell with the endings of the Parts.
Gintama, Slam Dunk, Aria and many are better imo
It's not a paradox, it's not a problem of the readers, it's a simple storytelling issue: Falling Action.
Not in terms of fighting, but in terms of story complexity. Most of these series takes years to build, establishing a world, characters, conflicts, relationships, etc. However, while frenetic action, suspense and mystery are great in building worlds up, they sucks when winding things down.
The better a story is in its build-up, the greater care needs to be taken when winding it down, making sure that there is enough action and conflict even during the wrap-up.
However, that is almost never the case. Once the BBEG is defeated, there are no secondary conflicts to let the story come down slowly. The story just ends. It's like sex without the aftercare.
There is a great and easy way authors can avoid doing this, all they need to
I 100 percent agree with this and I think the burnout authors suffer under shueisha has it that by the time they reach the climax they simply speedrun the falling action by putting it all into one war arc before calling it a day.
This is a good point but its kind of ignoring the other factors that come into play when people regard an ending. Like character conclusions or how well the final conflict was even handled. Once a conflict that has been build up to ends, most readers would already feel more or less relieved and there is not really much of a need for more conflicts for the story.
I personally think mha's ending concluded pretty well for a lot of its characters. I didn't except more from yagi, bakugo, the todorokis, uravity etc. I think they pretty much fulfilled their arcs. my 2 let downs were deku and shigiraki mostly for how little agency they had for the last stretch of the story.
I don't really get the McDonald's joke, is the implication dekus end was akin to working minimum wage? I mean his gets to be somewhat of a hero both in the classroom and out of it....people must have had some big dreams for our boy 🤣.
@@SirSov3r3ign Absolutely! This is the exact reason!
It's understandable that authors feel burnout by churning out issues week after week for years at end and just grow physically and emotionally exhausted.
The idea of writing an entire arc for falling action must seem unbearable to them so they end it exactly with the biggest arc, instead of delving into a last, wrap-up arc with a smaller-scale conflict driving it.
@@EthanZheKaiSinghBlss The point of falling action is to wrap-up character arcs, plot threads, and the fallout of the climax to give the story a feeling of completion.
If a story can do that in the main arc, that's great but it requires significant planning, such as "Full Metal Alchemist".
The reason we're talking about Battle Shonen is because they spend too much time in building up the conflict and too little time resolving it.
This is one reason why I think Assassination Classroom is severely underappreciated. It never overstayed it's welcome, despite being massively popular enough at the time that Jump probably tried to extend it, but it ended on it's own terms perfectly instead.
Yes, thank you! It's my favorite shonen and it deserves to be more widely remembered.
I wonder if there is any fan who was mad that Nagisa end up being a teacher instead of assassin.
FMA needs to be studied. I've seen no one with any issues with that ending.
How is MHA any different?
@@fawazfaruqui5198bc the ending literally contradicts the opening sentence of the manga and a lot of ppl hate it
@@fawazfaruqui5198 FMA's story was about Ed's quest to correct a mistake that he and his brother made long ago. He became an alchemist for that reason. Being an alchemist didn't define him, but what he sacrificed did. Once he saw an opportunity to obtain everything he wanted, he didn't _need_ to be the "Fullmetal Alchemist" anymore.
In MHA's case, Deku was _defined_ by his status as a hero. He wanted to be like All Might: the Symbol of Peace. He achieved some semblance of that, but the world eventually understood that relying on a singular figure to secure peace is unsustainable. The world didn't need someone like All Might anymore. In other words, the world didn't need Deku's goal. He may have defeated the big bad, but does that make him #1? It became less about how _Deku_ became the #1 Hero/Symbol of Peace and more about how _Class 1-A_ became the _Symbols_ of Peace. The goalpost changed over time, which is what makes the final message a little strange to me. It's an understandable evolution of the goal, though, nevertheless.
I’m pretty sure that the author had the whole ending and a large general plan for the entire series before starting to write it. Planning out your story helps a ton
@@ursaminor2732I don’t see how it contradicts at all.
By all accounts Deku was the #1 hero (just not officially), but the entire world knows he was the top hero and the only one capable of saving everyone.
The even wrap the whole thing up in a nice bow, deku was told he could be a hero by being given OFA. At the end of the series OFA is gone, but he can still be a hero (hero enough to mentor young heroes and hero enough to go out there and save people himself)
The whole point of the series is to change the definition of what a hero is/looks like
I guess the thing that keeps surprising me is just how people will unceremonously switch up their stance and begin mocking the works that they loved so much before at the first sigh of a controversial ending, and will refuse to try to engage with the art in a more positive light. The ammount of toxicity Horikoshi, Akutami, Isayama, Kishimoto, Kubo and others have received from former fans is bonkers.
Hardly ever conclusions for popular media are perfect, but hardly ever are as bad as people make them out to be.
@@angelamengualcortinas3614 Couldn’t have worded it better myself especially that last line
imo alot of those mangas already has alot of fans who started to hate it in the dozen or so last chapters, i don't think their opinions changed just because the ending.
@@nar1768 Yeah I think this is mostly true for jjk the amount of people that switched when they announced the 5 chapter thing is crazy.
@@Hihitoto23 imo the hate started to grow around chapter 236
Jjk was never a great series due to the wierd author decisions that ruined character development and the narrative possibilities but many fanboys didn't want to accept that the problems became apparent in shibuya and the Next arcs
I think the best way to handle manga endings is simple:
1: Don't go into leaks
2: Stay off the fandom to form your own opinion
3: Think if you personally enjoyed it or not
4. DONT BE ON FUCKING TWITTER
i will never understand why its so hard for people to form their own opinions of something instead of following impressions of others
@@bluecrood2720 Something about taking the first napkin
let's be real so many people ignore 2 and 3
no, stay off the anime fandoms in general. They’re all toxic, i haven never seen in 10 years a anime fandom that allows you to have an opinion without attacking you and that doesn’t work like an echo-chamber (people in it hating or loving something cause others do).
I think the best example I've seen of people zeroing in on one aspect of a story was with Yuji at the ending, seeing some people here and there say that they're disappointed that Yuji isn't going out on missions alone considering his strength...and I had to sit there and wonder if these people read the story at all, ESPECIALLY Hidden Inventory, cuz that would've flew in the face of everything
for real like the whole point of the story is "it's lonely at the top" and the ending is a perfect subversion of that
The final chapter also shows that fated battles to save the world are not what makes a difference: it’s lending a hand! Helping people who are scared, and lifting people out of despair
@@dankuya Legitimately, like that was the whole deal with Gojo and Kashimo especially but somehow they missed all that
@@bananabanana484 A big part of why I genuinely love the ending, Yuji found the new path for the "strongest" that Gojo thought he'd find, one that wouldn't allow for what happened to Geto to happen again
it just shows that alot of people have such a hard on for the 'big strong do it all on his own protagonist' that they lose common sense. It's like being mad at Guts for caring about Casca above anything else or at Batman for caring about his kids
to add about leaks, some people just straight up only read the leaks and not the actual manga chapter. people who just jump from leak to leak and not read the chapters, so any mistake in the leaks will be their reality which can build up the dislike and hate
Exactly! And you add to it that UA-camrs, who may or may not even like the actual story, will try to get on the JJK hype train by quickly reading the leaks to get a chapter discussion up before the chapter even drops so now thousands of ppl in the JJK community are having their initial opinion on the chapter formed by a guy who read leaks before the official chapter even makes it to either of them. It's wild
I really appreciate the nuanced look at series like jjk and bleach, which often get oversimplified and over hated by their own fans.
I think a better term for ‘bad ending’ is ‘controversial ending’, since you’ll always find people who really enjoyed the endings everyone calls bad
I think bleach and jjk had a better ending than naruto. I love all 3 but naruto is about the journey not the destination...really ruined its ending to make boruto. Which i enjoy reading boruto but im going off topic now so anyways...ya jjk ending isnt bad to me at all
By that logic, then what’s a bad ending if everything is controversial? Nothing is ever pure black or white after all, anything will have likers or haters.
@@unioneye1087 Promised neverland, Seven deadly sins, darling franXX, were pretty uncontroversial bad endings.
But yeah, you’re right in the sense that most bad endings of popular series are going to be divisive in some way.
@@beaneater4277 I mean literally not a single character had any worth in JJK. I don't even know what was the point of the whole manga. At the end you look back at it and see bunch of fights. Actually, no, Inventory arc is the only one that had good clear narrative and character progression. Yuji vs Mahito. Junpei too. But the rest of the story wasted all meaning of it. So many threads abandoned. You can't name it anything but bad, even if someone could enjoy it on a basic level.
@miramaxcinemax5512 lol that's one way of seeing it..but i feel like i have a more in-depth perspective..although im not to good with my words so im not going to try to explain it..plenty of others feel the same and can express mutual feelings about it here on yt
If Stone Ocean was being published today, people would trash the ending. I have no doubts
There are people who, to this day, thought the ending was bad and there are some who say It would be better if Giorno appears at the end to defeat Pucci💀💀💀
Yep some goobers still don’t understand that just because it was flawed doesn’t mean that Part 6’s ending was not truly great.
But I remember even back then some people did hate it as well
People did. But you most likely don't remember because of the HUGE gap between seasons of Stone Ocean taking away all of it's momentum.
Araki and Oda laughing in the background as they have no intention to end their series' any time soon
JoJo’s story has ended multiple times wdym? Just because there’s an anthology doesn’t mean the issues within said series don’t have concrete endings..
Araki and Oda better not fumble and learn the mistakes from previous Mangakas for JoJo's and One Piece's endings.
Oda might start rushing. He is 49 years old and has had a history of health issues in the last ten years. It will get worse as he heads into his 50s.
@Seeyou45 Look at Togashi's current health, Hunter x Hunter is never getting finished.
@Oslya1 no he admitted he has notes for an ending just in case he dies. However, he doesn't think it would be the best because he seen what happened when other series had to be finished using just the notes.
25:18 BRO someone said it
My hero’s ending has me Pissed off not cuz I hated it but because I feel like every time. It’s brought people will JUST lie
Like IVE had WAYY to many people telling me Midoriyas friends abandoned him for 8 years
The funny part is that there were already people on youtube like certain reaction channels who roughly predicted the ending the story before it happened. How you may ask? By paying attention to the characters, story, themes, symbolism, and overall narrative of the series and using their brain to come up with a logical conclusion to it ☠
People who say the ending is ''garbage'' or that it came out of nowhere never read MHA and it shows.
most people watch anime through Tik Tok clips nowadays, just ignore them. They are a cancer.
Yeah they didnt, they were just busy and being adults. Which yiould ve communicated better, i guess, but isnt bad, and its a good end, mostly.
Demon slayer has a good ending thou, and as does , ok an ending that doesnt ruin the theme and characters, is good.
Still JJK is a terrible end making death meaningless in a story that , like is very edgy. Why?That is a skill and or editor nd or tonal issue.
@@marocat4749 dude you type like a moron and your opinions even worse
@@marocat4749 JJK AND EDGY??? Bro?? You good??? Have we read the same manga?
This video is encouraging me to read series to their entirety instead of jumping from series to series and waiting for updates. It’ll help me comprehend things better. It’s also making me want to re read series that i’ve already read. I usually never do that because I want to read basically everything. (I have a REALLY long list of series and animes and It’s really too much for one person), but i end up forgetting things and It’s not good.
IT ALSO MAKES ME WANNA ANALYZE CHARACTERS MORE!!! there’s so many that I find interesting and I wanna write out how I feel about them, so thanks for the new hobby inspo!
24:27 I was also around during the AOT manga ending era. I'll never forget how much damage that "leaker" did to the perception of AOT's ending.
To this day, there's still folks who unironically think Eren literally turned into a bird. All because of a bad faith leaker.
Wait wait, people thought WHAT?
That ending was still garbage, leak or not
@@trashman1605 you're allowed to be wrong
Ellen becomes dove (crying)
God, r/Titanfolk was a shitshow when this ending came out...
What about the Russian leaker who tranlated Eren's conversation with Historia talking about how he will do the rumbling into a love confession. I remember arguing with a dude about the ending a month after it ended and he was confused when I told him that was not even official. He actually thought eren asked Historia to have a child with and marry her because of some leaker making a meme. How you hate an ending you only read in leaks lmao.
13:52- Notably, Tousen went against his Shinigami core by discarding the use of his Bankai in favor of using Visored and eventually Hollow powers, Aizen discards his Zanpakuto abilities in favor of the Hogyoku that eventually makes him into unrecognizable hollow-like monster before his final defeat, and Yhwach takes the Mimihagi, which is a Soul King power that sided with the Shinigami over his own Quincy heritage- each going against their core selves for the sake of gaining power.
you had me, until Mimihagi, he's the right arm of the King, he has nothing to do with Shinigami.
@@MaxIronsThirdMimihagi still chose to aid the Shinigami in many ways. On top of Reiō himself abandoning Quincies in general, Mimihagi sided explicitly with Ukitake and used the power of “stillness” to stall the collapse of the worlds. In addition, Mimihagi itself was worshiped but several Shinigami and came to Ukitake’s aid as a child as well. I don’t think ut’s that crazy to say that Mimihagi was on the Shinigami’s side just as Pernida was on the Quincies’.
13:45- notice that notable villains such as Szayel, Barragan, Aizen, and the Quincy of the Vandenreich all have powers to either revive themselves from death or prevent death from happening- showing their fear of death
This is such a great video,you gain a new fan
@@adriananderson4785 love to see it
People are getting so mad when the MC actually gets to be happy at the end 😭
I guess the writing means nothing at all
Wait, people dont like the Hells Paradise ending? I thought it was pretty good
It ended?!?
@@juancastruita1474
Yep. Actually the author dropped a one-shot before the anime transmitted
Sorry for the bad english. Isn't my first language
@@minibluemonkey from what I remember it did receive a lot of criticism when it first dropped but I think people have warmed up to it now similar to the aot situation
They are crazy
Ngl would’ve liked if the one brother didn’t get resurrected it was good but not spectacular
THANK YOU!!! You've said so much about how I feel about MHA. I've had to basically divorce myself from the fandom because the sheer dislike, at times near hate, started to affect how much I enjoyed the series.
It's not perfect. Nothing really is. And admittedly, I feel like the series should have had been drawn out more (it's ridiculous when you realize that everything in the series takes place in one year basically!); however, the series never strays away from it core themes and I've found even events that I may personally not really enjoy still make sense within the context. I thought the ending was exceptional. It was everything I needed and wanted. It' so easy to constantly want more, to want something to continue forever, and for problems to 'solved'. But what the series needed was a hopeful point to the future; things will be better. And Horokoshi delivered.
MHA is really bad though, specially after the Chisaki/yakuza arc
Put the fries in the bag deku
@@MaxIronsThird brain dead take
@@MaxIronsThirdretard alert
@@cloudstrike5225 NPC
I'd argue that the best ingredient to a great ending is twofold: firstly the end goals to be set at the very beginning of the show (getting your brother's body back, to destroy the ring of power, etc.) and secondly to be decided on what the ending will look like from the very beginning. If you make compromises along the way for the show's ending, it will scarcely appear consistent. When the author does not know how to craft a show's finale he will take the path of sudden inflation of stakes and power scales which will feel empty and upset the general consumer.
Anyways, it was a pleasure to watch this piece of media, keep up the magnificent work of yours.❤
I don't know, because that also describes the ending of Sopranos and The Dark Tower and those also got (initially) bad receptions too.
There's a distinction between "bad" and "disliked" in the professional world, but most fans don't need to be precise. They know when they like something and when they dont. So no matter the number of factors, the outcome is undeniable.
Really really well made video. Pretty much agree with everything, the manga that has the worst ending is the one ending right now, without anyone having the time to reflect on it. And because I know this might get overlooked, wanted to highlight the manga edits throughout this video because, wow! Really visually pleasing stuff
Which manga
Any battle shonen that's ending in the social media era probably, not one in particular. Just something I noticed from fan reception across twitter when things like MHA, AOT, JJK or DBS ended@@murderman8578
"Sorry... agenda... I'm not even gonna try and push you right now..."
"It's just that.... this... recognition... this... understanding... feels so fulfilling..."
"Throughout heaven and earth, I, alone, liked the jjk ending."
beautiful fucking video man best animanga I've seen in so long, kinda of hilarious I was chatting with some friends about this exact thing pretty much coming to the same conclusion.
Gurren Lagann had a peak ending. as did FMA: Brotherhood. To all the folks saying: "hurr durr at least we got an ending"
Sticking the landing matters. The story is a journey, you cant just act like a shit ending doesnt matter.
Seeing all these endings bring me back to the FMA and Haikyuu endings. Both had such satisfying conclusions that just remembering them hits different so hard.
exactly 💯
Gurren Lagann ending was trash
Gurren Lagann is a TV Show they have much more time to cook a satisfying ending from pre production.
@@申月営無営月無営有申 Did you watch the show with your fingers? Because I know you gotta be blind with an opinion that bad.
I've always like the ending of YuYu Hakusho. Seeing everyone move on and Yusuke finding himself felt right with me. Especially how the anime portrays it. It gives me the feeling that everything will be alright even though there might be challenges in the future. Especially Kuwabara who finlly got away from fightingcto focus on what he wanted to do.
I'm not currently in a phase of my life where I have the time to actually go back and read them front to back, but you've single-handedly convinced me that it might be worth it to go back and give both mha and jjk another shot.
you've also helped me see the ways my own story and character analyses have fallen short while giving me clear examples of better ways to go about it just by writing your own thoughts on art so clearly and articulately. I think that's a true testament to the high quality of your writing.
Did people dislike the Mashle ending? When it ended it was just sad knowing the story was over and that genuinely it made sense to me at least that it ended. I believed that most other people were mostly just saddened that they would never get to see the characters anymore rather than angered or dissatisfied.
The problem is that these are based on the nekketsu model, which has been dominating the shonen genre for the last 30 years or so. Basically it's heavily inspired by the hero's journey, they usually feature a character that has a dream or vision, they end up meeting friends that will help them reach their goal, they partake in some kind of tournament, and when they are about to fall they get back up, rinse and repeat. Even JJK follows this formula, the Culling games can be seen as a tournament. So in the end JJK suffered from the same problem as Bleach and other series, since they tend to be battle oriented, they end up shoving other aspects to the side, and once you take out the conflict, it ends up falling flat and people are disappointed. The fast pace ends up being detrimental in this case, there's barely time to digest what happened before we jump onto the next big conflict. Honestly I blame YYH. It was so popular that every other series that came after it tried to be it, and it also suffered from being dragged unnecessarily and having a disappointing ending.
Thank god for seinen, at least there's more variety, even though very few get an ending at all. Looking at you, Berserk and Vagabond.
Nah it's Dragonballs influence. Every single issue that is effecting battle Shonen stems from Dragonball and it's influence on battle Shonen due to all modern mangaka being either fans of it or influenced by series influenced by it. From a narrative stand point following Dragonballs formula doesn't allow for good endings as Dragonballs ending was open ended because of its narrative. However, all other Battle Shonen that came afterwards follows it's tropes and what happens is that in following it's tropes ends up broken by the end.
every vid so far has been a banger keep this quality up man 💯
I'm so glad you made a video about this because I've noticed this trend after MHA and JJK ended and didn't know what to do with that feeling
Stand proud you cooked.
Seriously tho, i spoke with someone recently, that is it weekly shounen magazine industry and how everything operates is what fucks up every shounen ending ever. The fandoms also have impossible to please expectations. Along with many other issues plaguing the industry u talked about. It is a really complex topic, but at the end of the day - shounen will always be my favourite genre of fiction regardless of its flaws, its strong points overshadows its flaws completely imo :)
Subbed sir, will check more of your vids and wait for new ones.
Honestly i find it so funny that this is one of the most in-depth, nuanced and honest videos about shounen endings I've ever seen/read/heard to the point that its insane to me that your channel isn't much bigger; but the comments has still devolved into mud-slinging and surface level discussions about specific shounen battle manga endings. I don't know whether that's due to people not finishing the video, lack of comprehension or that people only care about their specific viewpoint over everything. But I just wanna thank you for such a crazy good video and I'm definitely going to share it around to friends
Amazing video +Aot Appreciation 10/10 hope many more people get to see this video also an Important message.
Is it normal for a youtube video on anime to bring you to tears TWICE? WTF I was NOT prepared for this. The editing is phenomenal but you're WRITING omg how did you make me dig deep and truly feel so many moments and emotions. This mf was pulling out studies and memes to explain anime endings yet also writing absolute cinema.
Thank you so much man this means the world to me🙏
You're amazing man. You captured the feelings I have with manga and anime today, I can admit I'm the both sides. Being a helpless fictional empathizer that changes the whole character (as someone who does write fanfics in my free time), yet someone who can accept the ending we got. As the saying goes "It is what it is." and you'll just have to have your OWN thoughts from a manga/media YOU read. I'd wait for official translations and consume it in my own pace.
I'm a huge fan of Violet Evergarden and the sentiment that it's "boring" and "bland" has always bugged me. And yet I simply ignored those words and enjoyed it as what it is, an anime that made me cry and changed my views on life. People may not like it, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.
With AOT, it holds a special place in my heart. It's the anime that ignited my love of anime and manga as whole. Seeing the reaction of the ending of course fustrated me as I really liked it. And yet again, I just ignored it and was just happy. Yes, maybe some of the stuff in the final chapters were confusing, but I took time to understand it and not scream and blabber in online spaces because I was dumb about it.
I have so much to say still, but everything I would say was already in your video. You got a new sub man! ❤️
unless an author adapts a story, I hope magaka can adapt stories from the western market. Seriously there stuff like Worm and other underrated story that never got adapted into a popular media.
I like the jjk ending, yeah I wish there was more in the story, so many things were just wasted, but i love it, the mirrored first and final panels felt so good to see. Catharsis, that’s the emotion I felt seeing the final chapter, I liked it. Chapter 269 still fucking sucked though.
I'm happy about what we got. Obviously, there were other things that could have been explored, but nothing we did get was BAD or even mid in my opinion. 269 (my least favorite chapter) wasn't even too bad when considered on its own, but yeah I don't think it deserved to be one of the final 5 chapters. Nonetheless, thank you, Gege Akutami. I will never forget you for as long as I live.
Honestly Gege left WAY too much unanswered to be satisfied. I like when Series have some unexplained stuff so you can keep guessing but they never showed Sukuna’s backstory, Yuji’s Domain name, the ability of Yuji’s domain, etc
Honestly it's a pretty big change but I would've been more satisfied with jjks ending if the final chapter just showed one panel of Kenjaku still alive and out there somewhere. Obviously it wouldn't mean a part 2 necessarily but it would've given me hope since so much of what was unexplored was related to him
@@bobjones9385 I actually like this take, i think we should've gotten a hint that perhaps kenjaku is in yuta since he used kenjaku's cursed technique.
@@Sincere_3 To be fair, Yuji's Domain was shoddily put together in the heat of battle. When Sukuna asked him what did he do at the beginning of chapter 265, he couldn't even answer him.
And honestly, Sukuna is better off without a backstory. Not every villain needs one if it's not necessary.
holy crap. the editing in this video is absolutely incredible, and I didn't know you were the one making those parallax looking effects for each of the images you used.
Ya know, I love it when Son Yuji used kaioken times 10 against Mahieeza and even the spirit bomb
I don’t read manga or watch much anime but honestly in my view a lot of these big moments of hate, are usually due to toxicity on the internet as a whole. A lot of opinions have become a lot more about agreeing with others and not giving things a chance in their own view. And I’m not saying that no one can have similar opinions or that shit but it’s just ppl really can’t give anything a chance and just making opinions and misconceptions based on just things they saw online, like that Naruto video u showed. And the other thing you also mentioned are those who don’t enjoy the series and what to see it fall, which really brings down and covers up all the hidden depth and meaning. Online discussion to me has made these problems of opinions so much worse, things become more toxic and ppl start acting like it’s objective, it’s not just with manga or anime it affects so many other mediums like games, movies, etc. And to finish on smth more positive, this video is beautiful, the discussion, editing, criticism while also talking about positivity, and the length. I love longer videos bc it allows the creator to express their views and ideas more. Hope to see your content more dude bc this shit is fire
man, that was the best interpretation i've heard for bleach
congrats on 10k bro. i really enjoyed listening to your perspectives here
@@Epsilonn thank you so much man it means the world💚🙏
instant thumbs up right when you acknowledged shonen as a demographic and not a genre
After listening to this entire incredibly well thought out, eloquent and highly entertaining and funny video, that you only have 8k followers?!?! This was some of the best anime commentary I've ever heard. You're gonna be big someday!!! Believe it 😉
JJK has the HxH problem. There just isnt enough JJK. Too many hyped up powers not explored, too many character interactions that didn't happen. Definetly in need of spin offs, bonus chapters, and author explanations like Araki does for Jojo.
The difference being that HxH has much better pace. To the point that when Togashi was in his very long hiatus, everyone i talked to was okay with how the manga "ended". HxH delivered on its promises where JJK failed IMO. And i really like JJK.
JJK is just a worse version of HXH, but a edgy
Bleach too is the same, TYBW needed to be longer and it will be perfect. Too bad Kubo's health deteriorated, this isn't the sacred timeline
I'm gonna have to say, this was just beautifully put together
Finally, finally I've found someone who actually understands MHA and its ending. MHA isn't perfect, far from it, but I still enjoyed the series and I liked its ending. I will never forgive the leakers for what they did to the final chapter and how many people just rolled with it without reading the proper translation.
Obviously not all my hopes came true. We didn't get Deku's dad reveal like Hori said we would and IzuOcha was never outwardly confirmed which disappointed me a little (although after the death threats Hori got from crazed shippers, i dont blame him for keeping that aspect open-ended). And while the McDonald's jokes was admittedly a little funny at first, it got old after a while and was used as an excuse to call Deku a "rizzless teacher with no friends" which I don't agree with.
But despite all of this, i still enjoyed the story and thought that it wrapped up nicely. I'm also happy that Hori can finally get some much needed rest after working on MHA for a decade, he deserves it.
MHA's manga and anime is great, its fanbase is complete and utter fucking garbage. Surprise surprise.
I can only imagine how one pieces ending will be received
I wouldnt consider MHA ending bad at all. It even got an extended ending now. But i also think majority of the problem are the fans themselves. But ill say it, DBZ WAS THE PICTURE PERFECT ENDING. Super (while i do enjoy it as a DB fan) is completely unneeded.
Hey man this was a wonderful video keep grinding
I feel like most manga would be better served going on hiatus and releasing the epilogue all at once. They’re supposed to be about closure but breaking stories up into parts is about leaving people wanting more. A bigger final chapter a month after the dust settles gives both the author and the audience time to feel like a proper farewell.
amazing video keep it up, love the quality
really intresting video. I may not have cared about JJK ending but I never understood why people called it terrible
You gained a new subscriber this video is insane
Finally, someone who understands jjk’s ending and situation. Thank you.
We never can blame shonen mangaka to miss their manga ending, being in shonen jump is already very daunting task, so they try to do their best while having most of the time already thought about the ending from the start. Not every ending can please everyone. I'll always respect the author.
I know this is a lot wild hot take, but i need to clear my head while we're on this.. Katekyo Hitman Reborn had a crazy rushed final arc, but that ending is probably the most shounen thing I have ever read. It stuck to the theme and core values of Tsuna. To this very day it gets so much love and the mangaka, Akira Amano, still shows that she hasn't forgotten her masterpiece. Don't start a war in the comments pls, I'm just a fan boy 🥹
Also the drip was out of this world. Their endgame gear was SO good-looking. Like Kubo's bleach clothes are beautiful. KHR clothes are jaw dropping.
I binged jjk within the last 6 months and loved it. I honestly thought Gojo would...well my reaction helped fuel my love of the ending
It really boils down to a lot of the shonen audience being insanely emotionally immature. They just care about the hype, fights, love, ships, and all the surface level aspects of manga. The deeper story and themes are lost of them half the time, and usually these endings are more reflective of the overall theme, not wrapping up an already action packed story with more action, which is what i expect most shonen junkies to want
What you said exactly what I wanted to read. Everything regarding the current shonen audience is basically true at this point.
I mean idk, I'm no shonen expert but I feel like the endings of some of them are genuinely bad or at least underwhelming.
Of course it boils down to "readers are the real reason the ending is shit" and not to "it's a a lot of separate issues that snowballed into a bad ending".
@@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469 Both can be true, but I feel like it's because a lot of the endings are like after the big bad has been killed. So what are the people supposed to do? The ending is going to be chill after a usually hype fight. I feel most of the endings have been pretty decent.
Of course ending defenders are this pretentious. How about you shut up about "muh themes" and realise that these stories are paper thin.
Talking about leaks and the human nature of being curious about something you love while playing the Made in Abyss OST. This guy gets it
The other thing is that it's obvious Kugisaki wasn't in the original plans to come back. When you hear all of Gege's previous interviews you can tell he had no intention of reviving her.
she wasn't revived, when she was taken out a character specificaly showed up and said that he'd given her a chance of survival and then she's never mentioned again if yall thought she was dead it's your own fault.
Brother, the crumbs were being dropped since shibuya if you didn't look or notice them that's on you, she was always gonna comeback 😂😂
@@xtremo1killlercombathow you arguing with the author 😂😂😂😂
@@themagmar9000 how am I arguing with the author??
@@pamelaguerra3768 No it's not. There's literally a scene where Yuji asked Megumi about Kugisaki's condition and he didn't answer instead just avoiding eye contact. Literally what is Gege's intention writing this scene other than to imply that she's dead or Gege is just that bad
Also there's no mention or build up of her in ~150 chapters. You are telling me Sukuna, the supposed genius villain, planning on how to kill Gojo the moment he saw ten shadow, didn't account for Kugisaki? that just show how much of a fraud he is (or Gege doesn't want to bring her back)
Great video man
I love the appreciation of MHA's ending. I need more non-dumbasses to cover it like this.
MHA isn't really that bad, it was the fandom that ruined it's reputation...
@@Crashingout-lowkey I don't care about all that. I'm talking about its ending, not the series as a whole. I already know it's peak and people just hating cause they bitches.
it's one of the better endings to a long running series i've read in a while. a shame people are so quick to react so negatively to any series ending. I feel like reading comprenhsion is at such an all time low that this will just get worse and espcially without people just parroting others they see online and not taking the time to come up with their up feelings on it.
Awesome video! But honestly bro, u gotta drop the ost list for this video 😭
Im DYING to know what tracks you used for this video
In Dr Stones case, the first series I was there for the ending, I was devastated by how bad it was. The final arc and reveal of what caused the petrification was so poorly done and rushed the ending was soured even before it ended with "We're inventing time travel to undo everything"
For those who don't know, that isn't where it ends, Dr Stone got a one shot follow up and then a 3 chapter second ending which completely changes the quality of the ending. Basically instead of Senku becoming science jesus and creating time travel its reveal that creating time travel is thousands of years down the line and that they'll all be long gone by then but their efforts will bare fruit in a new timeline where everyone was saved. To prove to Senku and everyone else that it will Why-Man makes an eternal promise that his first action as soon as time travel is invented will be to send a petri signal back in time and petrify Senku's dad
The series truly ends with the characters finding his statue and satisfied in the knowledge that one day their goals will be achieved but for now, they can just live peacefully in their stone world.
Yeppers
Amazing video! Thank you so much for creating it. I’ve been thinking about how there’s been an uptick in “bad manga endings” lately and always wondered why people keep pushing that agenda. One Piece is one of my favorite series of all time, so I know it’s going to get flak for how it ends regardless.
the thing with "bad" shonen endings is that if the ending isnt perfect its awful.
Great video, criminally underviewed
I remember reading Yuta vs Sukuna a few chapters after it was done and I was seeing everyone shitting on it. But when reading it myself I could only think “What was everyone talking about? This is awesome!”
The main thing about that is WTF IS THE CONSEQUENCE of that fight lol yuta made that big words speech about sacrifice but literally nothing happens
@@AM17titan I’m talking about the 3v1 with Yuji and Rika
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 yea well am also talking about that
Yuta made this hype gojo technique only for it to do nothing
It’s like hype with no substance
@@AM17titan sounds like you failed to manage expectations. What were you expecting to happen?
@@risk19l well it’s gege’s fault for making the expectations high lol
We have this grand reveal that yuta is taking over giojo’s body and Doing his freaking technique AND CHAPTER LITERALLY ENDS THERE
I agree when it comes to Bleach. While it certainly got very bloated with "canon filler" and lost in its own sauce, then being forced to rush its ending, it still did try to explain everything major and there are clear links from the beginning of the story all the way to the end that seem very intentional. The problem with leaks being inevitable is social media algorithms, they can get paid and as long as you're fan, you will see the leak eventually from it being shared around. Even more so if its disliked.
Gege only did one shots before this. I think he did not even expect it to be picked up as it was said that when Sukuna rips Yuji's heart out at the start, the manga was expected to end. Then it was kept going and going. Plus, weekly pushing out episodes to a story you dont want to work on anymore must be taxing. Gege clearly wanted to move on, he said he wants to do an idol manga. Its like reading a rushed fanfiction vs one that has episodes 2-3 weeks. It hurts my eyes, my heart and my brain all at once... >.> I think it also doesnt help that Anime/ manga community is super degen but JJK fans were next level vile after the Gojo incident... if i already dont want to work on something, and my fans send me death threats, I def will not be in the right mindset to write the next chapter that HAS to go out due weekly press.
I feel like this has to be a myth or Fandom headcanon bc the idea of continuously working on a story you don't like feels contradictory, especially when the industry is known for putting such a physical strain on its creators
@@bobjones9385 You're right, its just a sentiment thats snowballed for JJK and a lot of manga in general.
I can only guess but maybe its due to Gege's jokes about Gojo being his least favourite? People parade that as fact and eventually it led to a fake interview where Gege "admits to killing Gojo because he hated him". Same stuff with Gege "hating/being tired of JJK", fans and haters just snowball things until it gets paraded as fact. Like one person on twitter theorized Gege was tired of JJK because of the pacing issues and now people think its something hes actually admitted to.
What a lovely video, thanks for making this
Firstly, I know you don't mention Naruto's ending but Naruto's ending is Naruto vs Sasuke, which ties every theme in Naruto very well but regardless I still think Madara's ending was fitting since he always had a problem with his back, not trusting people and using people as tools like a shinobi, he believed he escaped the ideals of shinobis but was just living in a delusion. He was filled with hypocrisies such as his love for ninjutsu yet believed that ninjutsu is a problem. In fact prior to the reveal of Kaguya and her similarities with Madara, Madara's ideas of Kaguya fit him almost perfectly. He thought he was a god but he was just living in a dream and he wouldn't even listen to Naruto or anyone else so he got the ultimate wake up call, that being Black zetsu. I do dislike Kaguya but I enjoy Madara's conclusion.
Ngl Madara going out that way was the worst thing about that plot twist for me. Kaguya was fine. I didn’t care if she became the main villain after him. They could’ve saved her for Boruto and changed up the plot a little it’s just the fact that we never got to see Madara who was hyped up for many years and hundreds of chapters/episodes go all out. It really felt like a huge waste of a good villain. To me it also damages the Akatsuki’s legacy. Before the twist, it was an organization which sought to bring peace although it had morally questionable methods. Whether it was Pain, Obito, or Madara pulling the strings, that’s what it stood for. After that twist it became about resurrecting some ancient god. It completely deviated from the themes built up in the story.
Agreed. That was all genuinely compelling. Madara advocating staying in a dream to obtain peace while those choose to bear the hardships of the real face him, his many hypocrisies and the idea that he puts himself as the only one who can do it, even Obito (Who's path and twist I'm still not a fan of.), found himself a victim of the exact same cruelty of the shinobi world from the man who was trying to move past that by having become a more literal tool later. It's all very fitting, even the end with Sasuke Vs. Naruto, but it had to suffer the unfitting choice of making Kaguya come out of nowhere and go from a fight against a comforting lie to just being another big bad trying to turn people into Zetsu for her means with a tacked on backtory.
This video is maybe the only one I've seen on youtube that explains well what I've been thinking about MHA's ending since it dropped. Cheers!
Why do so many animanga fans want the villain to kill so many people lmao, like that shit does not help them be better written or increase their "aura".
I think it’s mainly due to the fact that the characters in the final battle always have like some final technique that is supposed to kill them and then they just end up surviving easily that. It wasn’t even like no thought out and explained reason why they survived it. It was just oh they survived because why not for example Might guys eight gates battle this was supposed to be his moment where he put everything on the line for his students his friends for his teachers literally 1 of his students JUST died and was supposed to pave way to help beat madara all of that just went out the window all because in that moment, he should’ve died like he had no other purpose to survive like I’m genuinely saying this he should’ve died. It would’ve been a significant sacrifice that everybody knew about SINCE PART 1 OF FUCKIN NARUTO so the fact that Naruto just so happened to randomly get the power to be able to f***ing heal someone like he’s f***ing God is crazy and dumb This could’ve been a moment for might guy and or other characters like Lee, who haven’t gotten much screen time to actually do something relevant for the story instead he just does quite literally nothing because madara was still fine and then he survives anyway so like there was no point in that fight even happening😭🤦🏾♂️ like this was a thing foreshadowed all the way back to part one in the exams everyone knew you’re supposed to die after this technique is used, the author couldn’t even follow through with that instead said no sike he survives
Me when the author decides he doesn't wanna kill a character off for no good reason. And why does it have to be explained besides the characters can heal them? Like that literally would ignore a major part of cursed energy which is rct. Hell everyone dying when they have rct would've been dumber. Same with Guy, Naruto got a new ability and used it, it would've been dumb if he didn't use it. You guys miss how the story isn't always about losing people and people dying lmao.
edgy lil boys
@Rhenkei we know this but when it’s a random ass ability that we had NO FORESHADOWING FOR or anything sayin they could do that it just feels lik a random “op actually mc can bring people back to life” lik at least with things lik dragon ball where they have these dragons that can grant any wish it doesn’t seem lik a random convenient power up for no reason cuz at the end of the day it’s lik “well we been knew it could do dis”
@@RIP-hd8ln What ability didn't we know about in jjk?
I'm glad you brought up John Werry in the offical translation section of the vid, and from now on that image of a man in a creepy runner mask will always be how i imagine him.
But honestly I don't think it's fair to criticize the way he translated Nobara's return. While it isn't text accurate to the japanese release, the scene it was referencing from the Kyoto event arc (translated by a different translator) also wasn't accurate to the japanese text. In that scene Yuji just says "gotcha" instead of the oppapi line.
In this particular instance John Werry chose to have Nobara reference the previous english line of "gotcha" for the sake of consistency with prior translation. I think that makes sense, and still carries the spirit of the call back. Conversely, I think if John Werry still had her make the opappi joke, it actually would have lost that spirit, since it wouldn't actually be calling back to yuji's previous english dialogue.
I also wanted to mention that, while the "Nah I'd win" line was originally translated as a simple "No." Viz DID actually go back and change that one, like pretty quick
We should really focus on the stuff where Werry is just straight up wrong, and making translations that straight up contradict the story, my personal favorite is "He hasn't been able to heal his wounds because of reverse curse technique"
It’s the plot threads that weren’t tied up for this one fr. Idk the whole final fight and the way they are meta discussing it in flash backs is weird too but it also really feels like there is more his world that got glossed over.
I also didn’t like the final few chapters where the characters were like “we shoulda done this and so and so wouldn’ta died.. 😱” and then someone else is like “if we did that… *I* woulda died… 🫢” and that goes on for like a quarter of a chapter
I’m personally not a big fan of battle shonen series but I’m glad I watched this video to get more insight on them and see a generous nuanced take on their storytelling
Finally, someone with a measured view of MHA's ending. I am so tired of people who never read the manga and just went off on leaked mistranslations to shit on the whole ending. I will never say that it was perfect, or I didn't have my own desires for it, but what's there is fitting and follows what came before it. I liked it.
That Bleach analysis was so good I hit subscribe right then and there
Then there is me who dropped all of these series you say had bad/divisive endings, way before they came to an end, which makes me feel like the bad ending had nothing to do with leaks, peer-pressure or herd mentality.
MHA i dropped by ch250 i think, when the heroes were invading the villains hide out, at that point i was just reading out of inertia and wasn't really enjoying anything outside of Endeavoir since the Hero K**er arc, everything about it bored me to tears;
JJK i dropped around the middle of the free for all Sukuna fight, Kashimo is a joke, keep in mind i had dropped the series 3 times before and only came back bc of all the hype and murmurs on twitter, dropped in the Curse Womb Paintings arc, then dropped again in the middle of the Culling Games, then finally dropped this sheet for good in the middle of that convoluted and reateeddd Sukuna fight, only good arcs in my opinion are the Sacred Vessel and Shibuya, the rest go from awful to incompetent, unfocused, hollow or cringe.
AoT i dropped twice, once when they're going back to Wall Rose or Maria i think, to go into Eren's basement to find out about the Titan's secret, the second and final time was in the middle of Marley's attack on the island, idk know what it is, but it's really hard for me to get invested in a story if i dislike the characters, then nothing that happens matters to me.
Love the bleach info dump. Thank you for explaining it so bwautifully. Would love to get into a bleach discussion
I really liked MHA's ending because it ended with Deku doing something only he could do, not his quirk. Later parts felt like his multiple quirks almost overshadowed what made him special which was his heart. Any of the dozens of heroes could punch Shigaraki. Deku was the only one actively trying to save Shigaraki and he even made the ultimate sacrifice and gave up his quirk, his dream. He should've gained everyone's respect. Yet, he's now ridiculed by the internet. Green Goblin was always right.
MHAs original ending was so bad the author had to literally redo it to actually make it good!
@@TheSupaman98 that's all you can say, you can't say why, you can't debunk his points just follow the crowd like an NPC and say what everyone else says
Great video, great perspective.
I haven’t read the MHA manga so I don’t know the finer details, but one criticism my uneducated fool of a self can offer about its ending is that, at the very beginning of the story, with Deku himself as the narrator, it is stated that this is the story about how he became the greatest hero in the world. And then the story ends with him not having that title. It’s kinda like a betrayal of an expectation given at the very start of the story
I disagree. He did end up becoming the greatest hero, by defeating the main villains, and he was seen as one by many within the story. Being the greatest hero does not necessarily mean being the number one hero. I'd say my main criticisms were the choice to leave the whole Deku x Uraraka relationship open, not having moments of class 1a interacting with each other as adults, and making it seem like Deku becoming a teacher was more of a "pity" job for being quirkless (being a quirk analyst would've been cooler in my opinion).
Though most of those problems were eventually fixed with the extended ending that was later added to the final volume a couple days ago. So now I'm content with the new ending.
@K.KLovelyz deku didnt recieve a fraction of the recognition of almighty even after becoming the greatest hero. as a teacher we didnt see new students geeking out excited to attend a class given by a legendary hero. i know deku isnt the type of character to seek recognition but we as fans did want him to achieve almighty lvl recognition bc he did more than enough to deserve it
@@trivialqedI mean there’s literally a billboard in the final chapter with him on it but alright. Well that’s your own opinions and certain fans but that’s not what the story was about having Deku doin this all for some recognition/fame or money would contradict the stain arc entirely making stain die for nothing pretty much, all might was a symbol of peace FOR A TIME but it ultimately led to people becoming lazy and as a result the league of villains was born. Deku, Class 1-A took the best approach which is to constantly contribute to society as a group or to reach out to those who need it and convince others to do so so that one person isn’t taking on that role and eventually having that role become a sort of burden to just one person and so that another LOV isn’t born
“I haven’t read the MHA manga so I don’t know the finer details” “And then the story ends with him not having that title”
This speaks volumes considering you’re trying to criticize a manga you don’t read 💀😭but I digress. Deku and Class 1-A all received that title of the greatest heroes because they defeated the greatest villains in their history and era. Also it prevents one person from receiving the whole pedestal like All might because burdening one person with that much responsibility is what made hero society lazy beforehand which caused the LOV to form over time and such
@@izfiz1806 "deku doing this for some recognition/fame or money would contradict the stain arc" i litetally said in my comment (and i quote) "deku isnt the type of character to seek recognition", that was never the point, it was ab giving us readers a cathartic moment where the MC gets rewarded just like the predecessor that inspired him was. U're trying to explain why the ending makes sense in the fictional world while im talking ab the irl storywriting was lackluster to what could've been
The moment you mention the moment all might crush the "the end" I hit like and subscribe cause is the first time I heard someone have so much joy over that as me
The problem with mha ending for me is the fact the manga lied, he said its the story of how he became the greatest hero, only for him to never even get ranked in the top 10, thats like if the strawhats never finds the onepiece, its a total betrayle of our expectations
The greatest hero would never say they're the greatest hero, the idea lies within what makes a hero which is focusing on the collective.
greatest hero isnt the number 1 hero, just because endeavour became the number 1 hero after all might didnt mean he became the greatest hero does it ?, pay more attention to the final battle where it shows what makes deku so special and better then all might is how he inspires people to do better them selfs and not to rely on another person. something all might failed at, and lead to the socity that created shigaraki, by deku becoming the greatest hero to live he inspired a whole generation of the greatest heroes.
He was the greatest hero though no? He defeated the guy who would have destroyed the world and even almost a decade later is still remembered and looked up to. He did get his dream even if it ended in him not having his quirk. Because remember izuku can still be that hero without a quirk cuz of his suit
i dont even like mha but I get the message. it was never about being number 1. I think being a teacher can also make you a hero. Plus he did beat the big bad of the series
It's all about reading comprehension
tybw is technically not the ending to the whole franchise its a 2-part story where the "hell arc" is what concludes it along with the nobel families tie to the past with the soul king. Kubo had to write novels on the side since there were so many details that you can't get down on manga without it ending up like a "Togashi panel", and with the anime adaption of tybw its providing a lot of extra content that were missing in the manga since Kubo was rushed. It seems like the new trend nowadays is anime adaption correcting the mistakes of the manga and providing more details the author's didn't get time to implement, like jjk anime had some extra stuff that improved upon the material and shows like AoT got fixed that one wierd genocide moment with Eren and Armin, although its not perfect its an slight improvement.
The leaks only really affected the newer mangas, the main issue with my hero academia is how it went from, "how I became the greatest hero" into, we are all heroes, which sure is a nice sentiment but its too late to pivot when you already place one for all in a pedestal on how important of a power it was supposed to be.
Personally mha fell less like ups and downs and more like a carousel and I wanted it to be over like 3 arcs before it did.
Huh? It constantly put the power isn't alone the reason but the individual which is the point of saving with Todoroki vs Deku when Deku wants to give up his power, One For All was created from All For One which in turn are for each other.
@@tehcookievanilla1323except it’s not about the individual because the individual needs the power.
@@BabyGirlTiny
The power doesn't work if there isn't an individual behind it, you've just contradicted yourself. You need both in order to live with predispositions you've been given in life.
I feel like one piece has a pretty good shot at having one of the best endings in shounen.
Because of the Island of Giants, Oda is adding at least 3 years onto the series run, which was originally planned to end in 2025
He is already making moves to tie up loose ends on major side characters
Oda is exceptional at juggling multiple plot threads and not forgetting the little things.
The problem is that mangaka don’t keep good track of all their storylines and subplots given that manga are released on a weekly/monthly basis. Deadlines make it harder for them to keep track of everything too. Then they set an expectation for when the story is incomplete, but due to them making the story as it goes, they end up having to rush it to meet that deadline. Mix that with fans expectations and the main character ends up with a rushed “shonen ending dad” haircut after a timeskip where everyone is married to people who they’ve barely interacted with in the actual series.
Great Video
Amazing video, but media analysis like yours kind of annoy me because you focus so much on the themes of the story and talk about it in a way that sounds fantastic but the reality is that the execution of the story was terrible thats why people give it so much hate.
I've seen alot of controversial endings: no country for old men, GOT the red wedding, The sopranos, Barry etc, i truly believe most people are ok with it if it is executed well and because of the format of manga publishing the execution gets so bad because they bately have anytime and are completely burnt out by the end.
This video was really well done, and managed to give me some new perspective. I'm not an avid follower of shounen, but I had watched the MHA anime for a while, but fell off around Season 4. Because of that, I had a bit of a chip on my shoulder, and when I heard how "bad" the MHA ending was, it felt kinda good. But this video made me realize how hypocritical I was being, especially as a fan of AoT and its ending. So now I am actually tempted to go back to MHA and give it another shot, even if it's not perfect. Though I might stick to the manga given I had issues with the anime.
This is, actually good literary analysis. Fair and even handed with criticism and understanding. Good video.
Edit: While not every story needs to end with the MC having a wife and kids, MHA hinted at a romance over and over again and then essentially dodged the question in the ending. They basically bunted Uraraka's finally. Yes they could still end up together in the future but showing nothing coming from all that build up was a violation of Chekov's gun. If the romance is never going to be fulfilled or concluded, then dont build it up ahead of time. So yes some shippers are toxic I dont think its wrong to say a series failed to deliver on what it promised, that is a fair criticism.
The romance was more built up for the connection between Ochako and Toga than anything else, how Ochako was suppressing her feelings and Toga could never moderate hers.
@@Biostar96 Wouldn't the most effective culmination of that lesson be for Ochako to _stop_ suppressing her feelings and actually confess to Deku? At the very least, show the fruits of that lesson.
Wasn’t her crush just like a distraction she overcame to focus on being a hero? That was the reason for it, not build up to them getting together
@@twentytwoblue22 No. That is the opposite of what it was trying to say. The whole crux of her thing with Toga, is being able to be open about who you actually are and how you feel. Society forced Toga to conform which led to disastrous results. Something that Ochako was also doing by suppressing her feelings for deku. So the clear message is to not bottle those feelings and instead express them.
@@omarmansuri7099 i get her arc with toga from what I’ve seen and heard. It’s just, I’m gonna be real the second she decided to focus on hero stuff instead of crushing on a boy, said crush seemed to vanish it wasn’t something she was really suppressing. and then we see her develop more with characters like Toga. Ochako expressed her feelings, she wanted to be friends with Toga and now in the end she is making sure others are able to be themselves so no one goes through what toga did
Absolutely phenomenal video
erens ending is like walter white from breaking bad
like walter white eren hid his selfish desire of seeing the outside world as a plain sight BEHIND a noble cause of saving his friends/paradise and thats the whole reason he says to reiner
'i am the same as you'
Bro finally I have seen someone who thinks the same as me! I've been thinking this all along that he hides his true desire behind conveniently noble goals to cope with the terrible thing he's done. Obviously its still an interpretation but it's nice to see I'm not the only one who thinks so.
@@captain_trebreh I mean isayama is a big fan of breaking bad and falco is drawn by taking inspiration from jesse so I don’t think it’s a stretch to think if that’s true
Also this basically explains what eren meant by
‘I am the same as you Reiner’
When Reiner confessed to eren in s4 ep5 that
‘no eren your mother died because of me I wanted to break the wall that day annie and berthold tried to run away
I broke the wall because I wanted to earn respect from people ‘
And what was eren’s reply ?
‘Like I thought I am the same as you’
Before this eren was basically taunting Reiner that ‘if it was to save the world then you didn’t had a choice right’
@@AM17titan and since Reiner confessed it was for a selfish desire of his, hidden by the whole "save humanity" thing, Eren realized he's doing the same thing as Reiner. Pretending to save his people while actually just wanting to see that empty world from his dreams. He is finally able to come to peace with Reiner and put his previous hatred and revenge behind him, realizing he's just as human as the rest of them.
@@captain_trebreh yep
@@captain_trebrehbeing human ain’t to be glorified smh