Mosquito Helicopter XET Turbine Or Piston Engine
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2018
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Part II of our factory tour of Composite FX, maker of the Mosquito Helicopter. In this video, we talked about builders options for engines. The Mosquito helicopter comes in different categories, one ultralight, a piston engine powered model and a turbine engine powered model. Piston engine options typically give you power output of 85 hp while you get roughly 90 hp from the more powerful turbine engines.
Your engine choice for your helicopter will also reflect in the price because the turbine engines cost three times more than the piston engine. Let me know what you guys think. A full flight video of the mosquito helicopter XET will be uploaded soon.
I'm simply amazed by the ingenuity of these builders and all that goes into building one of these machines. Thanks for sharing the tour of the facility and providing some insight into all that goes into putting the Mosquito together. Fascinating stuff.
Thanks again for putting up this valuable piece of information for all us 'droolers'! Nothing beats having a conversation with hospitable, dedicated and commited folks like the guys running the Mosquito plant!🤘🏾💓🤘 ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ Greetings from the Norwegian South West Coast!😉👍
Flying helicopters over 40 years, been many times in the big ones factories and did enjoy a lot this tour!!
Realy would like to participate in the building of one of those from zero.
Congrats!!!
Thx Mike! You always ask great questions and have great info on all aircrafts!
This is by far the best video of the Mosquito Helicopter I've seen so far. Very informative video. Can't wait till March 28th and 29th for the Mosquito Fly-in at FX Composite. I gotta bring my XE-285 to get inspected and get some blue gunk for my fuel tank after some damage.
Thanks for posting the video and you did a nice job of camera work in showing the workings of the machine with the builders explanations.
I have all the questions about the Mosquito. You just answered most of them. I really enjoy your videos.
Thank you for all your effort’s I always wanted to go to their factory and now I don’t have to. Most impressive.
Good information! Thanks, Mike.
Nice tour and some good info came out of it.
Great conversation!
Welcome to my world Mike 👍🏾. I’m currently racking up my hours toward attaining my PPL in Rotorcraft. I have a high respect for fixed wing, but my first love will always be Helicopters due the take off accessibility & well there just badass. If you ever get the itch, make sure you go through proper training rather than “The guy who said you don’t need a license” lol. Stay safe brotha & much love from Los Angeles.
My kudos to a really competent cameraman, a firm hand and great framing make a big difference to good videos like all Mosquito ones. Quite unusual in UA-cam.
Is there anyway to silence that 2 stroke engine? It looks like this one is using an expansion chamber and that would drive most of us nuts !!
I like the Marines paint scheme!
That's my Mosquito! (before it was finished)
Did you fly it?
ot0m0t0 yes, started flying last week
We need video! Not as proof, but- simply the sheer awesomeness of it. Come on AeroEng Guy- DO IT!
Norbert shot some video of me hovering that he will post on the CFX FB page. I don't have any video yet.
AeroEng Guy t
Great Interview. Good questions. Thank you
Great tour
Mike, thank you for the added information. Even at $70k with the turbine motor (high kinetic energy) and the slightly greater HP- a 3,000 FPM climb is pretty insane. Good, clean fun for less than a new Corvette. Sure, top speed is a mere 100 MPH, cross country travel is a no go, and, taking the wife out for a $100 burger isn't gonna happen- but, I'd guess that the amount of focus required for flight safety would limit flight times @ 2 hours anyways. I found a nice used XET (turbine) with low hours for $85k, but, it has every available option on it including the Ford Model T color scheme (black).
Based on the dialogue- I sense that the MZ202 is less dependable than the 85 HP version, and, neither piston engine can match the consistent (and dependable) output of the fuel hungry (9+ GPH) turbine. You and I share similar dimensional space, but- I'm only 170 Lbs.- so, I'd be happy with the performance of the middle model. Boy, it would be great to find a low hour used one for say- your airplane budget ($25,000). But, dreamer's dream...
Oh, before I forget- please put closed captioning below the dialogue from 10:30 'til the end. What's stated, and, truth vary by a significant margin.
XET= $90,000.00 NEW (because no-one installs base instruments. Ever.)
XE w/ larger (85 HP) piston engine= $70,000. (Base= $54,000.00) See XET above
XEL= $50,000.00
XE Air= $40,000.00
Build hours: 1,500 to 2,200 or, about 3 years for your average builder.
Promise- no 'hate' meant or intended, just real world considerations for those on the fence about commitment. Yes, a lot of money, AND, a lot of time, but, definitely worth it to the select few who have 'The Right Stuff'. Personally, I have too many kids, too much work, too many hobbies and interests to build one, but- would love it if I found one in a barn for sale on the cheap. Sadly, there are too few in the world, too few unfinished and probably NO unloved ones on the planet...
Those two guys are my heros. I think the guy wearing the black 'Got Mosquito?' T-Shirt is Dwight Junkins, who is a gutsy fiberglass genius (Nikola Tesla/Albert Einstien/Elon Musk all wrapped up into 1). He deserves a movie, like the engineer who designed the Mosquito Air. I wish I could ask him a couple of dozen questions in front of a camera. Very grateful for his commitment, otherwise- there would be no Mosquitos to swat at all.
Dave
P.S. Mike, the audio is a little rough- not sure why and I know you invested in expensive microphones?
@michael ryan No, the website is current. The XET kit does NOT include the modified turbine in the kit price. It takes a special person (or BIG budget) to complete one of these. Skill sets needed; mechanical, fiberglass & paint, desire to upgrade "while I'm in there" & general price creep (over time from purchase to completion) are real on a project of this magnitude. I WANT one- bad! I have mechanical aptitude & a fiberglass expert on staff (wife), but, no paint skills. I'd need to pay for pro spray- after the $$ & time investment to get to that point. Advanced avionics are more expensive, but- lighter in weight- just the excuse I need to upgrade. Attempting to put a dose of reality into a very exciting proposition- that's all. Remember, I like everything about it, just wanted to share what I found on additional research, that's all.
@michael ryan Innovators site uses optimistic pricing on the turbines. Since they are military surplus you have to find one wherever you can and on average they sell for about $20k a piece. So 20k on top of the 50k for the helicopter kit puts you in the 70-75k ballpark.
great information, beneficial
That is my favorite chopper. I want to fly that thing and I don't know anything about helicopters. I think I can learn how to actually fly that damn thing. Bill Burr flies a helicopter now. This particular chopper is my favorite out of them all. One seater, no distractions. I'd be redoing that seat with Rebond foam for the first flavor followed by a nice soft layer of H/R and then a last layer of memory foam. I'll have to build and sell three street rods to purchase this thing. It's gonna be well worth it, that is if I actually pull it off. I gotta try this. 😁👍
Very interesting video. Nice bit of kit, expect it’s a lot of fun to fly.
thanks for this video since I was really interestes in helicoprters and how they fly very interesting to see thei history
A lot of good information.
Good job Mike
U all doing great job keep it coming 😘😀
That's cool mike, Mosquito is more fun also cheaper than a Lamborghini... 😍😍
These are good videos
Turbine engine would be my choice
Yes, but add $20k, and they're hard to find.
Those Turbines look like converted APU's which is a very smart idea(lower cost/great torque).
I like it because l am from india you are lucky men and Good work
Great vid!🚁💨 👍😎 🍕🍺
This is so freaking awesome!
And instructor sitting next to you! Haha
Im thinking of buying one.... ill keep everybody posted.
What helicopter flight training is recommended before flying one of the mosquitoes?
I want to build one I love it
Any plans on doing the helicycle ?
Beleza muito bom.
Sensacional.
"Yeah thats not how we sell them" 😂
I will try
Even the cheapest model of the Mosquito is WAY out of my price range. I still enjoy the videos though. It is nice of them to give you such an up close and personal look around. Was that by invitation; or, did you reach out and contact them?
The labour rates in the US are very high compared to may other places in the world. If this machine was made outside the US it would be substantially cheaper.
So how much cheaper do you think.
@@60viking I think probably half the cost if the entire machine was made in China or India. And the billet CNC machining is also expensive. If the main and tailrotor gearbox housings were cast and machined another saving. The only problem with offshore manufacturing is the extensive quality control that needs to be implemented, and that's a huge problem for Asian manufacturers. Perhaps the best solution is a mixed approach by having many less critical parts manufactured offshore and the critical pieces locally.
What value do the turbines offer in this application over the two piston option?
Are they charging heavy $ price for there engineering (labour charges) or for there components to build mosquito?
Can you speak more to the XEL version? I would assume that with a turbine engine that it would be considerably lighter as well or is that with the turbine engine? Also, what turbine engine have you designed the mosquito for?
watercooled engine looks like a snowmobile engine. its interesting that the exhaust and intake are on the same side!
any more info on its design? also any more info on the aircooled engine?
I need me one of these asap lol
One does not build a copter with a piston engine. It can be done but the refinement of gas turbine and the degree of stress they operate under is so much better; A piston has a "pulse of torque" a gas turbine is smooth (called Brayton cycle) constant combustion which lends itself to the demand of aircraft with power to weight ratio and durability. No other internal combustion engine can match
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Bill, sorry, but "one" builds copters with MANY different engines, pistol or turbine. Small helis often use piston engines because they're not as expensive and the increased power of a turbine just isn't needed. If you check out makers of two-seat machines you'll see that the majority of them ARE piston-powered.
What is the range of travel a approximately on 12 gallons of fuel mix?
Respected sir, seen the moquitto flying nicely.the travelling distance and petrol capacity and the altitude may pl be informed.
If they just used a BLDC variable speed motor only for tail Rotor they could have increased efficiency of engine with further reduction in weight and besides it may also increase the tail rotor reliability. It also elements the need for Tail Rotor Pitch Variations .
You want to use another motor - an electric variable speed - to power the tail rotor? You're thinking of your electric R/C helicopters. This is the real thing. What do you think a battery/generator setup, plus the motor, would add to the complexity, reliability and cost of the machine? Now you know why engineers build helicopters. Your reliability would fall with an electric tail rotor.
So on the XE285, do you need to replace engine pistons and perform top/bottom end engine rebuilds with a certain ammount of hours, like on a two stroke dirtbike?
Most aircraft have a guide to that - "mean time" to rebuilds, etc. This will be similar for the piston engines; the turbine will be quite different.
dear sir I'm very happy this video and how to make xet helicopter please full video send me and name of different perts of part
Does this helicopter have stability control? like a drone?
Здравствуйте можете снять видео как работает аатомат перекоса на вертолёте Москито ?Как передаётся движение на тяги которые идут внутри вала?Было бы интересно посмотреть.
This guys know what they are doing …
Do u sale parts only?like the avionik and rear rotor gear?maybe u can sale in parts to any copter builder..
Tens representante para a venda do equipamento aqui no Brasil?
Have you looked into Viking Honda Fit to aircraft engines. Very quiet and reliable and half the price of a Rotax
me gustaria saber mas detalles
Fly it!!!!!!!!
I'm just curious as to how far these parts can go. The lifespan before they become fatigued. Tiny aluminum parts are scary lol.
Heck Mojogrip, I'm wider than the mosquito itself..,.ha,ha,ha!😎
Where is the location of the workshop
i gotta go TBO
Hi how are you
You miss sum detail such as engine
And main Rotter blades making
What’s the maximum altitude?
I hated mosquitoes until now. I WANT ONE BAD!!!
Do you sell helicopters like that?
Where is this factory
Nice Low Budget Machine
Do they offer financing?
Please Mike, you handle the questions and exclamations. Ms. Camera just does video. It shouldn't be home-video style.
This production video was all over the place.
Mike I am curious as to why you would “de-tune” the motor to have less than maximum output. Is it to increase service life or take some stress out of the drive train? This is not a judgemental question... I just want to understand why it is beneficial. Loved the video. Cheers
Makes sense. Thanks for the reply!🤙🏻
I want to import 1 ..or maybe 2 of those Mosquito helicopters...as kits? Can you give a rough estimate ? How to import them to Bengaluru, India?
Turbine 👍
I want visit there
Hi, can you clarify about rotor control system of mosquito, as it's different then the conventional ones. Is it capable of complete maneuvers which other can do ?? Also is it safe comparable to conventional ones ?
Hi, it's the same control system to the conventionals ones but the autorotations caracteristics of the Mosquito makes it one of the best in that segment so very secure machine as soon as you learn all the emergency procedures as you would do for flying conventionals ones.
Can you make a mechanism demo video on it ??
I bet required maintenance for the turbine engine is much lower and less frequent than for the 2-stroke. How many hours between overhaul on the turbine?
Turbines are generally less maintenance, but also much lower vibration, smoother operation overall, and better performance per weight and fuel usage. It's why the turbine is the choice in large helicopters too. A jet package for a Bell LongRanger can be swapped out in a few hours by an A&P mechanic, they're available rebuilt already and smaller & lighter than a piston engine for the power provided.
Thanks for your video.Can you give me andress and infomation this shop? I want buy part. Thanks
The guy stayed rattled by the no license question that was asked
Wow!!!!
Im sorry But the reporters dont really sound like They know What They are talking about
I thought same 🤔, other hand Possibly Asking this way as to make sure bases are covered for someone who truly doesn't🤷🏼♂️ either way why am I watching and commenting at 2:15am😵🤦
hell copters!
I mean can i buy this helicopter engine and fan
I want this helicopter
Hi sir what’s the mosquito x285 price
I’m 6’3”, and I don’t think I can’t wear a helmet in a mosquito? I would love to buy one, but I need to take an extra 80 pounds of cargo minimum. What is the best choice for me?
I am experience your all fitng waraking
I think I would be brave enough to fly it...but only if I stay very low to the ground. No higher than 10ft tops.
At 100 mph, 10 foot drop is more dangerous that any car crash...
How mucho is the red heli ship to puerto rico buli ....
no wat turbina
240lb sounds like alot but im 6'4 with an avg build im pushing 210 215 with a coat boats ect i can be about 225 would take much muscle with some food for me to push 240lbs, now if your 5"10 the avg hight 240 is alot but 6"4 its not that much
Sounds exactly like the dude from letos law
Think I would be a bit nervous running a 2-stroke on a heli. Yet seems this company knows what they are doing so could be tempted based on their track record and knowledge.
Fly low!! LOL
2-strokes do cut out. But, well... That's why Autorotation exists. That said, that's the only way they can keep the weight down.
It could also be that they're aviation/aerospace engineers too, besides "track record". Yes, it does matter!
@@dfx2kxgaming145 They "cut out"? They're used in more ultralights and such and actually go longer than many other piston engines. Where have your two-strokes "cut out" and why? There is an astounding amount of misinformation in these comments!
I wouldn't trust a helicopter period, they're an affront to physics.
Turbine for safety and TBO
How much the cost....
They should have convex doors on them.
Félicitations je vous remercie je voudrais en savoir plus et suivre une apprentissage poin par point et pièce par pièce pour atteindre une objectif viables je vous remercie de m'avoir accepté
Hey...i am MTOF in Bangladesh airforc.
How many cost i well buying it..?
US dollars..
What's the prise of this mosquito
What is the cost of the helicopter