What's WRONG with the NEW Hornby TT:120 "The Scotsman" Train Set? - Model Train Review
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The new Hornby TT:120 train set "The Scotsman" features an A1 class LNER 4-6-2 class locomotive called "Blink Bonny" and 3 LNER Pullman coaches. As well as some track and a controller to get you started in this new range of model trains.
Having finally received my missing power track from the previous video I can now test the locomotive and see how the set works!
In this video I test the set on the included 3rd radius curves, and then also see how it runs on 2nd and even 1st radius curves too! How does it do?
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Only Hornby could market a "TableTop" railway which doesn't lie flat on a table top! 😂
lol yeah, that is a bit of a problem
Great running review of this set Matt. I can say this a great video review for anyone who wants to buy their own set. Keep up the good work!
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed it 😊 do you think you could be tempted to get some TT trains?
@@ModelMinutes It would be fun getting into model railroad……if only I had the room for it! I guess the TT stands for Too Tempting. Hopefully you will make a layout for this set.
@@ShuttleFactoryScaleModels I hope so! But again I struggle for the space too 😂
Thanks for the very fair, informative and objective review.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Matt! Hope you taged the guy that was disappointed it wasn't a running review last time! Got to admit watching this I was trying to find away of getting my N gauge in the new workshop !
Thanks! Completely forgot about that person, hopefully he finds this follow up now 😊
Two points: Check the front bogie for a piece of black tape covering the screw which holds the chassis to the body, it fouls the bogie and needs to be removed, probably just there so the screw didn't get lost during assembly. Secondly, the track apparently needs destressing, gently take the curve and flex it slightly to get the sleepers to give a little, if done correctly they will form the proper curve. These are both known common issues and easy fixes.
Thanks for the info, I made this video some time ago but due to release schedules it’s only just been made public. I’ll take a look for the errors and fixes
The strack needing de stressing is pretty poor actually. I feel a Hornby have missed the mark with TT so far! Close.... but no cigar
@@Decrepit_biker Personally when you consider how much grief OO gauge can give you today after 70 years in development I think that Hornby have done a great job. Having said that, I am on my second Blink Bonny and all of my German stock has had Hunt magnetic couplings to make them obey my will.
@@Decrepit_biker yeah it is a shame
Thats a good point, OO still isn't perfect
This video has helped me decide to get into TT:120, thank you very much :)
Glad I could help!
Very enjoyable video - i'm never going to rule out getting into a new gauge (currently on N and Z) but this demo is brilliant. I can imagine myself receiving this as a present as a kid or an adult train model enthuasist being very happy with it, its really nice and enjoyed your video. For now, its N, but TT, its on the list !
Thanks! I have T, N, TT and OO but sadly very limited space to run any of them lol
Looking good
Thanks 👍
Nice review Matt I personally think if someone is going to splash out on this particular train set as a present at least you show an unbiased view of what your going to get and then the person can make their own mind up if it is worth the hard earned cash, the days are gone unfortunately when you could go to a model shop and see a train set working for yourself so we’ll done you and keep up the good work
Thanks very much! Whilst the train set does have its issues it would be quite good for the serious collector, not someone who is starting out - a smaller set with a few more fun items would have been better
Looks good
Thanks! Would you be keen on getting this set or a similar one?
Got ya self a new sub man..I’m currently building tt scale on a 6x4 baseboard… Just can’t believe how much more you can fit on a 6ft board, 00 gauge cluttered the board up quickly
thanks! I hope you enjoy!
Yeah my TT A4’s Bogies truck also lifts off from a track when it goes round curves.
hmmm that is a shame
8:08. Check the front wheel assembly for binding. Wiggle it back and forth and feel for a "clicky" spot. Could be some flashing or something catching turning one direction but not the other.
i'll try and remember to take a look at that
Nice to finally see the missing track come in. Thought you might have to 3d print one instead... Oh wait, that probably wouldn't work either 😜. Glad you are able to enjoy it now, sure does look like fun. Do they make a flatbed car that can carry a cup of coffee ☕?
I could 3d print some track, as long as I got some metal rail to insert into it - I think a flat bed coffee wagon would also have to be printed seeing as there is sadly only a limited range in this scale at the moment
Great video as usual Matt! I find the Scotsman an odd decision as the launch kit for this new scale, based on the reviews it seems lower quality than the hardcore railfans want from a flagship set, but at over £200 and with a 4-6-2 loco it's well beyond the entry level bracket as a table top set.
It's almost like Hornby were at crossed purposes and couldn't decide exactly what they wanted from this new scale.
100%, this is not a “starter set” introduction to this scale
I can see the reasoning behind it, Flying Scotsman is the most famous engine in the world, and Mallard holds the world speed record, so from a marketing viewpoint those are two big attractions, with the fact they are both Pacifics is a third.
Personally, to get young children into the hobby, I think a freight set with a small tank engine, 5 wagons plus a brake van, would have been the way to go. To get small children interested it has to have play value and I think Hornby missed a trick here.
The quality is impressive but that non-moving pony truck is annoying when you consider European manufacturers have been doing TT for much longer and don't resort to this solution.
I think adding a little bit extra weight to the inside front of the locomotive would help in a lot of situations.
That might be a good idea
Edit: not sure where exactly to put it though?
A really good and useful video. I appreciate there will be snags at the start of this project, so let's hope Hornby are watching this and taking the feedback. I would urge them to get everything spot on, this is not a starter set by any means, so the target audience will expect better quality than this.
Very well said! I think a smaller loco and thus cheaper would have made a good first intduction - do you get the feeling they went a little bit too big too fast?
@@ModelMinutes I have that feeling yes... producing an affordable starter set to get first timers interested in TT would have been my advice, experienced train modellers will spot any flaws and flood them through social media rather too quickly and deter potential converts to TT. Even experienced train modellers might have given it a punt if it was a lower price, just to see how it comapres to the more well known scales and gauges.
Easy for me to sit here and criticise of course. Let's hope it prospers in time.
@@Simon_Nonymous 😂 these are some good points! I’d like to see some small shunting locos but given the range that hornby have planned it’s all big mainline stuff (not including the 08 shunter)
Maybe a starter set with a Jinty 0-6-0T would have been a better option. judging by the vast numbers of Triang T90 Jinties found on E-Bay, this was a good choice for Rovex the last time they introduced TT 3mm. (1:100) in the UK, between 1956 & 1965.
yeah definitely! Even doing an "updated" version of the original TT release would have been fun
Hi there - I am brand new to Railway Modelling and found this video extremely helpful to get me started….same set I have ordered. The comments about destressing track and other hints and tips from your community are gold dust to a novice like me. Thank you all.
Glad it was helpful!
Can you do a dapol stephensons rocket kit review please.
Yeah! I have one in the stash which I will do at some point in the future
Avery fair review Matt, thanks. I'm wouldn't be keen on the trailing pony being solid either, it looks plain wrong. If it can work in n guage . . . Perhaps it's a cost issue rather than design. The sprung bogie would be irritating too, I'd be tempted to remove the spring to see the difference. Maybe fixing the track resolves the problem anyway. The set certainly looks the part for a start up anyway. 👍👍👍
It looks good but I feel the issues that exist could have been worked out, it’s like they were intentional design choices
@@ModelMinutes Hornby introduced the rigid, flangeless trailing truck in OO first, on the Merchant Navy, I think. and then on others. In that case it was to have all the driving wheels flanged, but retaining rigid one piece coupling rods. OK, its an old, old dodge - John Ahern used it on his model of 'Exe' in the late 40's and is acceptable on some models. Problem is with a Pacific's trailing wheels it does tend to show if they're rounding curves and the truck is way out of line! Given that the A3 and A4 Catarzi trucks were rigidly fixed on the real thing I would have thought Hornby could have done it that way, with a pivoted truck hidden inside the frames? After all, Meccano Hornby did it that way nearly a century ago now with their A4.
@@JohnDavies-cn3ro thanks for the info!
Others have reported the adverse camber issue, it's not great for what is meant to be a big launch.
Also, pure Hornby not selling enough curves in a box to make a circle...
I know, things don’t really seem to be going quite as smoothly as they should be
Don't know what you mean about not enough curves, they all have 12 pieces which at 30 degrees equals a full circle.
@@garryhall5552 what he means is that not having the extra boxes of track designed to hold 12 to make a circle (and only 10) is a bit backwards
@@garryhall5552 The add on box has 10, not 12.
@@ModelMinutes I would say it is not a fault by Hornby as they do not advertise boxes of track. If you go the "shop" ALL track is individual and you specify how many you want, it is just packed in 10's as are the straights. Plus all the info about the track specifies 12 so I don't agree with people saying Hornby is at fault.
I would much rather have the rear pony truck moving rather than fixed and with flanged wheels. I some cases the rear wheels don't revolve. I might look out for a GWR set if one is released. Thanks for a great review. Regards Paul.
Yeah I’d much rather have a pivoting truck
I had more severe problem with the front bogie on the A4 which was actually causing derailments. This was particularly bad on reverse curves. This may have partly been down to the track but a Piko diesel I had bought could run without issue on the same track. I ended up returning the set to Hornby for a refund. I hope they can get these issues sorted out as I am sure TT could do very well.
Did you check the bogie for a small piece of black tape and remove it? It's a known issue.
@@davidwatts1871 Sadly that did not help.
Yeah it’s a shame that it’s not perfect straight out the box 🫠
I sent my set back due to numerous quality issues and cancelled my pre orders. I want the project to succeed, but have decided it’s not for me.
A nice review. Are you aware of the problems with trying to make a circular track using 3rd radius curves. they overlap and if you do try to make the circle you will see large gaps at the fish plates. I would be interested to know if it is the same with 2nd and 1st radius curves. Many thanks. Martin (Thailand)
Thanks! Yes I saw that Charlie from Chadwick model railway spotted that, and Sam’s trains highlighted it too. This video was made a few weeks ago (but not released) so wasn’t aware of this issue at the time.
I’ll try and check to see if 1st and 2nd radius also suffer
I'll second that it would be interesting to see if this is a common flaw or something unique to the 3rd radius
@@yorkiepudd2 I’ll try and make a follow up if I get the chance
I'm seriously considering TT120 (space issues) but want Era 7 Diesels. now they have MGR waggons but no Class 37 (or similar) yet and I'd really like it in a set as well. So I'm holding on to my cash and hopefully something will materialise. I did PM Hornby but they wouldnt say anything as they said the release schedule is confidential (or something similar).
Yeah, they won't comment on future products until they are officially announced
Great review Matt - thanks for sharing. It will be interesting to see what happens with TT. I can see the advantages but as you say, the cost probably limits new modellers from entering the hobby.
Totally agree
At the moment they dont have much in the era 7 diesel stuff to offer either and I'm holding on to see what exactly they come up with.
Nice practical review of how it could be used and 'played' with. Seems a good scale that might encourage people with limited space for 00 but don't want N scale. Would be nice if they had a set with a smaller loco like an 060 and maybe freight wagons.
From other reviews there seems to be an issue with the curved tracks that causes them to not lay flat. Even in the Hornby launch video the track wasn't laying flat at one point.
Thanks! Yes, apparently Charlie from Chadwick Model Railway noticed that the curves are too long (or the radius is incorrect) and cause it to push itself out - each curved track should be a little shorter because a whole circle overlaps. Bit of an oversight on the designers part if you ask me.
What kind of loco do you think would make a good 0-6-0 starter set? I think a GWR panneir tank would be nice with some wagons or coaches
when you ordered TT8004 did you order just one piece? on the website that code just buys you one 2nd radius. when you ordered was TT8004 a pack of 10? thanks
the website has each piece of track listed individually - so you need to order 12 to make a circle (£2.99 for a circle of track would be incredible value otherwise!). When they ship the items 10 will come in a box and 2 will come loose
@@ModelMinutes yes I thought Hornby were being very generous at 30p a unit 😂
@@mikebray3269 we can only dream 😂
How do you identify that its a digital connector track? Also a bit strange to send that for an analog set, as presumably it doesn't contain the suppression capacitor.
How does a flangeless pony truck cause resistance on the curves? More likely just the controller or low torque motor.
The track issue is well known, they come out of the factory stressed and just need a quick twist or stretch to free the rails from the sleepers, then the geometry is correct and they sit flat. This solves the issue with the front bogie lifting.
A lot of people are saying these issues are “well known” but at the time I was recording this video they weren’t known at all, believe it or not this video was recorded over a month ago and then edited until recent release… content creation can be a time consuming process…
I don’t know about it being a digital power track, I was under the impression it was analog
Edit: the flangeless wheels force the loco up a bit on the curves before they disconnect from the rail which reduces the traction and then as it swings back onto the straight it does the same on reverse, increasing the resistance
The analogue power track has a red button, the digital has a green one. I assume Hornby just didn't have any analogue power clips in stock yet and so, rather than leave the OP with no power track the decided to send what they had available.
There is a video pointing out that the 12 pieces of a circle actually give MORE than a full circle if carefully pinned down... That is an issue with the rail being a fraction too long. I've also seen on my Easterner set that the fishplates actually force the track apart.
These are all little niggles that occur with a first mass production run. Further items will no doubt have the corrected (and probably something ells incorrect!)
@@lukestevens8735 They provided the right connector with an analogue set. The reviewer didn't know enough about DCC to realise this doesnt work well with DCC, and that Hornby sell a DCC one specifically for DCC operation.
There is a lot of gossip saying the cures were designed and manufactured wrong. The design is in fact spot on, and the rails and sleepers are correct. The issue is that the curves are 'tight' and a simple flex of the track frees the rail from the sleepers. (Similar to what you need to do with flexi track) The geometry is then spot on, and the rails sit perfectly flat. A simple fix discussed at length in forums, but reviewers seem to prefer problems rather than solutions.
I am a newb to this. I want a set but i wanted the blue mallard with sound. Am i better off buying seperates with the train i want?
The easterner set which comes with an A4 sound fitted loco retails for £250 (but was out of stock on the Hornby website at the time i write this comment) but includes apparently: 1 x Locomotive, 3x Coaches, 1x Transformer, 1x Rerailer, 1x 3rd Radius Starter Oval with Track Pack 1 - Controller not included - app control based
The A4 Mallard with sound is £219 on its own, to add rolling stock and track etc will easily push that price up by a couple hundred pounds, possibly making the expense double that of the set previously mentioned.
Naturally it is your choice but if you were starting out, the set having most of what you need to get started is the better financial choice, but if you have the available amount of money then buying it all individually will ensure you get exactly what you want
@@ModelMinutes I very much appreciate your comprehensive reply. It's all a bit of a minefield to a newb. I'm doing my best to learn . Thanks again 👍
does TT drop a lot of detail over OO ? i'm thinking of getting into them as they would be better with not having much room, but i do like my detail....
Doesn’t look like it drops loads of detail, naturally because it is smaller there is the possibility there will be a little less
@@ModelMinutes yeah i understand it will lose some due to size, doesn't look like much though, and having said that i have the corgi diecast Hogwarts express, i just compared it to the 00 scale Hogwarts express, doesnt seem to lose much detail either, and i'm guessing TT is bigger than the corgi model?
@@markorollo. corgi model is 1/100 which is 3mm to foot, whereas TT:120 is 1/120 which is 2.54mm to the foot
The corgi model is slightly bigger than the TT trains in this video
Good review. Thanks for the very informative video. And for running it on the low setting on the controller. Was often wondering what difference it made. One question: does the adverse camber issue affect the 2nd and 1st radius curses too? I couldn’t tell on the video for sure but it did not look as pronounced.
Yes, they do still have a camber but as they are not as long as the 3rd radius curves I don’t think it’s as evident
Thanks. I’m seeing on the Hornby TT forum that the inner rail has been inaccurately stressed, and gentle reverse pressure on the curves corrects this. Just for what it’s worth!
@@gregmacdonald927 thanks for letting me know 😊
Liked the experiment with smaller curves. Haven’t seen this from other reviewers
Thanks! I thought it would be interesting to see how it performs on them
Hi Matt. I pre-ordered The Easterner and then considered The Scotsman. I looked at The Flying Scotsman and the Pullman coaches individually and they worked out way more expensive than The Scotsman Train set. However, I do question whether the train set loco and coaches are as good quality as the individually available items.
I'm pretty sure the individual coaches (pullman ones at least) have interior lights, whereas the train set ones do not - so they would be a little more costly. I think the loco is pretty similar t the individual offerings as well but I did pre-order the Easterner as well as I thought it looked better despite it being cheaper - go figure lol!
Which would you rather get?
@@ModelMinutes Sorry, I didn't make it clear. I did in the end go for The Scotsman train set (what a silly name for a loco!) as it was the cheaper option (especially with the TT:120 Club discount - I was rather disappointed with Hornby's response to your viewer who missed out on the [first year] offer of free membership).
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo yes, Hornby's customer services hasn't been great recently. I think there has been some confusion by hornby with the naming of their Scotsman set as well, although they have covered themselves but calling it "The Scotsman" in reference to the service, many people have thought the loco included would be "The Flying Scotsman" and then been confused when it is actually "Blink Bonny".
I know that it has been clearly labelled on the website etc that the loco is not the "Flying Scotsman" but i can see where the confusion has been coming from.
I wouldn't call it misleading advertising, but perhaps they have benefited a few sales from a few customers who hadn't done their full research . . . ?
@@ModelMinutes I joined the Club and got the first year free. The "butterfly" on the back of the badge fell off when I was wearing it, losing the badge entirely. I contacted the Club via email and they sent me a replacement. I guess it depends on who you "talk" to at Hornby. I have just received an generic email from Hornby "advertising" the Club at £30 pa.
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo it’s good that they managed to send you a new one 😊
I suppose they can fix some problems easier than others
Very fair review. Loco seems good; coaches seem good; track seems poor and the controller is terrible (I've had several!). Very high price for a beginner set. Can't see the appeal compared to N or OO given the lack of choice of models. It will be a long and expensive slog for Hornby to turn this into anything close to a success.
thanks for your thoughts
Other railway UA-camrs have highlighted the track problem. It does not make a perfect circle, and has to be stretched out to make a circle. This causes the inside track on the bends to rise up. Off course Hornby deny there's anything wrong with it. Apparently Peco also make TT-120 track. its better to buy their track, so I have been told. It looks like Hornby's track definitely has to be pinned to a board. You should also check your loco Matt. I saw some UA-camrs saying that they found a piece of Black tape under that front bogey. I think the tape needs to be removed.
Hmm, I don’t recall seeing any tape on my loco but I’ll have to double check!
Yeah I saw the other guys pointing out the radius issue, sadly I’d edited and uploaded this video before theirs came out 🫠
@@ModelMinutes I think it was under the body of the loco, above that front bogey. A piece about a centimetre square.
@@Andy.Gledhill.Models. that is interesting! I don’t recall the instructions making any reference to it, I’ll take a look when I get the chance
@@ModelMinutes Check out Sam's Trains UA-cam channel video on The Easterner Train set. Different train set, but I assume your could have the same problems.You can see the tape about half way through the video. It covers a screw. He also highlights that the electric cable that joins the loco with the tender, fouls the rear wheels of the Pony. This is probably why those rear wheels don't turn a lot.
I've not yet watched his but will take a look when i get the chance
So a 2 track layout would be better with 3rd and 4th radius curves. I wonder how much width do you need. Will a 4th radius fit in 3feet. ??
I believe so, but it may be quite tight
Very fair. Track is an afterthought, ans Simon C has gone for a monopoly of TT tabletop as houses are getting smaller, fair do's to Hornby, I understand why, & the details are exquisite on the loco. But It's perhaps a loss leader.
Let's wait and see.
My thought is it's a little bit too fiddly for a beginner. Which dad bought a kid an N gauge trainset, and a tad pricey.
Regards. Llandaft (009) Kris
thanks for sharing your thoughts :)
Such a cutie! I still can't justify one...but I just wanna see my cat be Godzilla and destroy one 😂😂
Sounds like it would be an expensive 5 minutes 😂
@@ModelMinutes I spent £90 on a plane shorter than my little finger. Wasting money is my specialty 💅💅💅💅
@@MsModeller I look forward to watching a video on your Catzilla destroying a train then😂 I’d recommend the Easterner train set though as it is a bit cheaper
Have watched several videos uploads of the TT120, the track geometry is very bad, when you connect all 12 radius for a full circle, and at correct radius, the last curve then overlaps the track it should meet by good 3 inches, when you connect final radius you force the joints apart, you end up with incorrect radius, the coaches make noises on curves and the loco dont run perfect, Hornby need to sort this put
yeah I did notice the slight gaps on the rails but just thought the joiners were a tad loose, I recorded this video over a month ago so wasn’t aware that Charlie from Chadwick had spotted the overlapping circle until he did his video
@@ModelMinutes Charlie was first one i saw, Sam's trains another one, was tempted, but for now will wait and hope Hornby can sort it out, thanks for answering comment
@@Colin21454 I think that the peco track is a better alternative (my display base uses that and it looks miles better) but sadly the loco and stock is only available from hornby for now, hopefully they fix the issues with them for future releases…
@@ModelMinutes Yes heard Peco is better quality track, hopeful Hornby can fix the issues sometime soon
@@Colin21454 fingers crossed 🤞🏻
Check out Charlie's thoughts on TT120 on the "Chadwick Model Railway" youtube channel.
Yeah, an interesting video. Any points that particularly stick out for you?
I don't know why Hornby expanded into TT when there are more experienced firms or 'giants' of that scale like Tillig, Märklin or Roco. Just to mention some. I find Tillig's starter sets are relatively very good for its price and quality and their track system is fantastic. The couplings are Tillig design. Kuehn uses Tillig's couplers, because they mainly produce locos and it is easier to have more cross compatability. I don't know what going over there in the UK with the OO scale which has HO track 🤣. 1:120 is much better for smaller space and it is still good for bigger kids to play with and N is I think only for adults, because you have to handle it carefully. TT is I think just the right scale for early modeller (like me and I have a foldable layout from the wall due to space limits)
My grandfatherhad a lot of TT models especially I like these old slavic eastern european models like the east german epoch 3 and 4 steam trains or the hungarian csörgő.
Greetings from Hungary!
I think Hornby moved into TT because the other brands you mentioned haven't, nor have they made an interest in doing so. Effectively it was an empty market that Hornby is now trying to cash in on
Disappointed with TT120 so far.... Hornby have got close but there have been many sloppy mistakes so far!
Yeah, hopefully the iron out these issues in future models
theres a bit of black tape underneith the bogie... remove it for betterish results :)
Apparently so
not expensive when compared to equivalent locos and coaches in Europe, e.g. Roco etc, infact probably les than half the price.
thanks for the info!
Every layout is a 'proper' layout !
Good point 😂 perhaps I’d like a more permanent one
I was toying with the idea of getting a TT-120 set. I am not a model railway man. I do plastic kits. The Easterner set is slightly cheaper at £195. But Hornby really screwed me over with the offer to join the TT-120 Club for FREE. Basically on 8th Feb I went to the Hornby web site. Looked at the TT-120 Club page, and there was a banner that said the offer to join the club for Free had been EXTENDED. Then further down the page it stated that to join the club, all you had to do was add the club package below to your basket, then go to the checkout. But I could not find any club package listed below. There was just a blank White box. So I could not join the club. I sent an email to Hornby Customer Support. But it took 5 days for them to reply. By that time, the FREE offer had been removed from the web site. Hornby's email reply to me said basically "the offer has expired so tough". It then said I could pay the £30 to join. I declined and told them I would not be buying from them.
Oh no, that seems really unfortunate, you’d think they could have waived the fee seeing as it took that long to get back to you and honour the original membership 🙈
@@ModelMinutes Yeah its crap mate. This was the last reply I got to my complaint "This offer ran from October 2022 and was in fact extended beyond the original end date. We cannot override this as once it is taken down from the website it is no longer available. As there was nothing on the page at the time you visited means that this was no longer available. We have passed your comments to our Marketing Team.". It was definitely a fault with their web site. Why would it proclaim that the FREE offer had been extended. But then just have a Blank White Box where the package to add to your checkout should be? If you look at the Club joining page today, the correct packages to join the club are there in place. Back on 8th Feb, there was nothing there. I understand that club members can get a discount from all the TT-120 range. Is that correct?
TT club members get 15% discount i'm pretty sure on TT products
@@ModelMinutes It's just that it doesn't mention anything about a discount on the TT-120 Club joining page. It mentions enhanced Hobby Rewards of 20% instead of the usual 10%. But I can't see it mentioning discount. Pretty sure you do get discount, because I have seen other UA-camr's say they bought the train set for about £165.
@@Andy.Gledhill.Models. hmm, perhaps they have changed the deal once again and instead of the discount have replaced it with the increased hobby rewards? Can't say I know for sure
How did you find the Train-set 3rd Radius Curve Track geometry compared to the separately bought 2nd and 1st Radius curves?
Approximately the Train-set track geometry is seriously out, with a full circle overlapping by 3”! Ouch! Nice one Roco :(
Explains the reverse camber on the 3rd Radius curves. How on earth did Hornby/Roco miss that one???
Also apparently, the A1/A4 in the two TT120 set’s released so far have NO front-end NEM Sockets fitted as built to a cost, meaning that both locomotives cannot haul trains tender-first as found on most Preserved Steam Lines.
And that the coaches are fitted with LIMA-esque pizza cutter wheel flanges that rub against the coach’s solebar whilst traversing curved track causing the locomotive to slow. Helps to explain the use of toy-like deep & cheap TT120 Code 80 track used by Hornby compared to PECO’s much more realistic TT120 Code 55 track.
And also the coaches included in the two TT120 Sets released so far do not now come with lighting as previously advertised due to Hornby’s drive for maximum profit over customer experience.
Nearly joined Hornby’s “TT120 Club” and bought the A4 Easterner Set. Thank God I didn’t :) What a huge set of self-inflicted howlers from Hornby!
Thanks for the info! I think the other curves suffer the same issues
For me TT is a bit of a money gimmick. As a modeler and a OO gauge man after spending so much money I wouldn't be spending any on this . Keep your vids coming 👍.
Fair enough! I do have OO, N and T so i'm not gauge specific at the moment, picking what I want to model at different times. I think N is probably my favourite though
Do tell us why you think it a gimmick!
I think it makes a lot of sense for Hornby:
1) TT120 is already popular in the US, Europe and Japan so it's a world market as opposed to OO which is mainly a British market.
2) For anyone new to the hobby it takes up less room. The models are also significantly cheaper compared to the equivalent OO ones (at least for new models, on a par with second hand OO).
3) Many people find N gauge too small and OO takes up too much room, especially when they get older and have to downsize or only have a small home. So it's a nice compromise. It's also to scale, unlike N and OO gauge.
4) Hornby loses a huge amount of sales to the second hand market and rivals. For the next few years at least they have a monopoly, so will hopefully make a profit on their huge investment in TT. Bearing in mind Hornby have been posting losses each financial year for some time. They need it to work and will be doing everything they can to make it a success.
5) Shipping costs have risen by 500%+. You can get a lot more TT models in a shipping container compared to OO.
6) The age profile of the hobby is quite elderly. As modellers die off they're not being replaced by younger ones. So what will happen to Hornby when they're gone? They are hoping that TT's more home friendly size will encourage more people to take up the hobby. How successful that will be remains to be seen, but kudos to Hornby for trying.
7) Keeping it online cuts out the middleman allowing Hornby to keep costs down for consumers which will help get TT established. It also gives Hornby control of the product so they can offer discounts/deals, etc without upsetting the retailers.Plus it makes international sales easier.
They have said that in the long term it will probably go to retailers (It already is in Australia), but until it gets established all the risk and reward are Hornby's which makes sense for both them and the model shops, who they apparently sounded out first.
Like most things there are pros and cons. e.g. It's nice to have larger models but it's also nice to be able to build a more extensive layout. Which is more important is down to personal choice and circumstances.
Currently there's limited choice of models and no pre-owned stuff, but there's already a fair amount in the pipeline and I suspect in 5 years they'll be a good range and a flourishing second hand market.
Personally I hope it will be a success as the hobby would suffer if Hornby go out of business.
hmm, i suppose some people might see it as a bit of a publicity stunt to try and get some money coming towards Hornby, but they doubt that it will last
thanks for your thoughts! Certainly some great points there!
I am an American who models in (obviously) North American prototypes. Regardless of scale all 4-6-2s all large locomotives with trailing trucks swivel, just like the prototypes they are aping. Do British Pacific prototypes have swiveling trailing trucks? If so then what Hornby did is illogical.
I believe that they did pivot in real life so not sure why they decided to go with fixed
Whats the point of having a smaller scale but still with such huge radius and such a high price still. Why would this draw anybody away for an OO starter set?
Certainly some questions
A 10 pack of track when you need 12 for a circle? Feels a bit shady.
It feels like an oversight on the packaging planners part, you can get 12 bits of track in the box if the plastic tray is removed
Not sure why the set is named, "The Scotsman" though.
because that was the name of the service
For the price it's not up to scratch for me...shoddy Hornby.
i was disapointed with the problems i had
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It’s not like they’re new to making model locomotives. Begs the question why they still seem incapable of doing it.
yeah, you'd think that they would know what to do by now lol
Answer - its too small LOL XD
it's pretty massive compared to my T gauge set
Why is buying a box of 10 pieces of track? Make it a problem, especially if you need to have 12 pieces to make a circle. All you need to do is bye a second pack, Hornby makes the profit.
why do sausages come in packs of 8 and buns in 6? I feel as though having 12 bits of track in a box to make a circle makes more sense than having 10
i am sorry but hornby will not get many to go for it ,at the money is to high.
Apparently they’ve sold quite a lot of units, exceeding expectations supposedly
TT is and has never been a serious scale. A toy.
a very expensive toy then . .
Everything, that's what. what do expect it's rubbish Hornby
I feel like there are some good aspects (which i mention) but i would be keen to hear a little more about what's rubbish from Hornby? Like what specifically?
Way too expensive and pointless !
Well, not completely pointless, the set did come with one point 😂
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Nah! The train sets are good value for money.
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo objectively they do work out a lot cheaper than buying the loco etc as separate items.. not sure the difference in value but I’m sure someone could work it out?
It has been well documented that there is an error in manufacturing or specification of the Hornby TT120 curves. If you connect them flat, you get gaps on one side at the joins. If you connect without gaps, as you did, then a bad camber results. You can't avoid one problem or other with the Hornby curves. It's pretty unbelievable they could make such an obvious error in geometry on the track for a high-profile new product. Peco make TT120 track that does not have this problem. So... the solution to your problem on the curves would be to toss the Hornby curves and buy Peco replacements... unless Hornby come up with something to offer - but that would be expensive and embarrassing for them.
yeah I made this video before the wider discovery about the track geometry being wrong, bit of a shame really
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