New Hornby TT Class 43 HST Train Pack | Unboxing & Review
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- A full review of Hornby's all new Intercity 125 HST in TT scale!
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0:00 Intro
3:55 Unboxing
8:09 Prototype info
9:27 Detail
16:04 Mechanism
19:49 Performance
23:51 Haulage
28:55 Ratings
33:17 Final thoughts - Авто та транспорт
The thing I love about Sam's trains is that he can tear down Hornby and call them out when they try to pull nonsense, but doesn't hold a grudge when they put out a nice model. I've seen Sam say some really great things about Hornby. It's not his brand to just trash Hornby as some have claimed. Good on you for praising the good and discrediting the garbage, simple as that.
For the money you would think they could inculde at least one coach in the pack.
Didn't take long for someone to complain about the price
@@PeggyDezbecause its ridiculous for what you get in the pack
@@tripwire3992 no it's not.... If you manufactured the model itself you wouldn't be able to sell it any lesser
@@PeggyDez because i dont have a factory in china mass producing em for 20 quid and then the brand assigns a UK retailer price... think before you speak
@@PeggyDezi get that the first batch of these are expensive to pay for tooling ect, but what happens when thats paid for, oh wait hornby dont drop prices on a second batch they up the price
Dont believe me, they still sell oo airfix tooled lowmacs at full price, tooling was literally paid off nearly half of a century ago
A bit unrelated Sam, but Broadway Limited Imports are selling their diecast Union Pacific Challengers for only £200 and their n scale big boys for £160 to sell their $30 a year collectors club! I just though you should know, as the value is incredible and a video from you may show people the prices that good models can/should be going for. Thanks as always Sam!
Cheers Sam, I'm glad your covering TT Scale! I love the Intercity 125! Brilliant I'm glad it doesn't have traction tyres.👍
The fact that these trainsets don't come with any carriages has to be one of the most blatant examples of shrinkflation yet seen.
It’s not a train set. It’s a locomotive pack. I think the train sets will be coming soon and going by the other sets they will probably be the best value way to buy a locomotive with carriages
I agree. Going back in time you'd easily get a loco and at least one carriage for that price
@@Stettafireyes, going back far enough you could buy a second hand Morris 1100 for that price!
OO HST locomotive packs come with two coaches though?
@@casiofi The newer premium HSTs never came with coaches included. Only the old RailRoad-level HSTs had coaches with them.
I really hope TT120 takes off, iv been blown away by all the reviews so far 👍
Yeah the models themselves are excellent aren't they?
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
TT has already taken off ! They are selling fast
Tuesday is the big day for TT users as we get the reveal on the year's new products. Hoping for a steam shunter as minimum.
Yeah a nice green 060 pannier would be fantastic
It's to be the LNER J50 (to go with the Gresley Pacifics!)@@FlightProgramAborted
Love the inter city livery. I love the HST’s. They are some of my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE British trains!
This model just makes me think of pip and emma, two railway series characters and i just wonder if anyone like bachmann will one day pick up the licence for thomas in TT scale, and perhaps maybe we'll get some more accesories, an 0-4-0 chassis which every modeller on the planet will use for customs and just somthing to pull people in
Great review Sam. Can't wait for the model 43.
I'm soo tempted to add the TT120 HST's to my collection, but still need to catch up on last year's OO releases! Enjoyed seeing you review them 🙂👍
Fun fact:i think those diesel engines appeard in a kellog's frosties commercial :D
Happy Easter everyone, nice review
Another great video sam I'm not that interested in tt scale but I do like the intercity 125's so this was down my line
Happy Easter Sam
Awesome video Sam's trains
I have this version of the set, but still waiting for the coaches to be delivered. Once my layout has power, I'll see about chipping my HST and putting it through its paces.
Got the GWR, looks amazing and runs brilliant. 😊 can't wait for the coaches to come into stock
I got the swallow livery version and the paint job was a lot better than your one. I also got three coaches and all of them had incredibly stiff couplings. The hooks would stay raised and wouldn't come down without some help. Hornby sent me replacement couplings and they all worked well.
The sound version is incredible and worth every penny, you can even do a cold start! The Hornby app can't make a consist out of the two power cars so you have to change direction on both manually to get the lights right. They said there would be an update at some point but who knows when.
Overall this is my favourite TT120 model so far, bring out the APT, 225 and Eurostar next please.
Ahh interesting - glad to her that one was even better. I'd love to try the sound one - pretty awesome for this scale! This could be my favourite TT loco so far... think it is!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I saw one of these (with a few Mark 3s) running on Hornby's TT layout at Model Rail Scotland, and I have to say it looked fantastic.
It's The best train I've ever seen!!! There are no words I can express my amusement! I do love 0-4-0's and you've put compleatly new soul in to those pour souls. I'm waiting for upgradind Hornby's diesel bagnall as they promise on the box of iYraveller.
And 21 have been exported so far 11 in Mexico and 10 to Nigeria plus a load of mark 3s. Some of the cross country ones were exported within a couple of weeks of finishing in the uk.
Fantastic little engines but imo, they could have done more for the money! Next you have to try the 00 version - from what I've heard (and seen from a friend!) they're fantastic!
While I wasn’t considering swapping TT for my numerous OO steam engines, for modern high speed trains I’m now thinking about it!
I remember converting my old original release Class 43 HST to DCC a few years ago. Hornby sold the decoders as twin back at pretty close to the same price as a single decoder. Although only one car was driven, speakers were supplied for both cars, so sound and light was available in both cars. It use to be a faff to setup the CV's to get them to work. Hopefully the newer decoders are a bit better :)
I'm very tempted to get one of these models after seeing your review regarding new models im hoping with the announcements on Tuesday a first or second generation multiple unit might be announced and maybe diesels from the 50s and 60s
Here in Australia, we have a locomotive that was heavily based on the HST called the XPT. They are currently still in service but aging, and I believe they are planning on phasing them out relatively soon
Yeah they're FINALLY getting rid of the XPTs. Good riddance, they're pretty embarrassing at this point.
Fun Fact, the HSTs used be classed as Diesel Electric Multi Units as seen with the either 253 or 254 number on the fron 253 being Western Region, 254 being Eastern Region, this can also be seen as the PCs are in the coach format of numbering in TOPS with the region also. However they were classed as Diesel locos and coaches when BR found it to be a pain to have them in fixed rakes instead allowing for PCs to be swapped between sets.
I will admit I have been waiting to see these, with them being based on the new tool HSTs from hornby they are sure to be excellent models, currently I only have one set of the OO premium HST power cars from hornby but will hopefully have another set soon when the new GNER ones are released.
Is the pricing really that out of line with the other locos you already reviewed in the range? An A4 is about £170 (no lights) and a lit Pullman is about £50 which I would consider the closest to the non-power car (even though it weighs a lot less). That’s at least £220 right there
It wouldn't be Sam if he wasn't moaning about the price! 😂
Voice of reason 🎉
He always overlooks the marketing point of view. The price of something is cost plus profit PLUS what people will pay. I agree a driver and picked out cab detail.woukd have cost Hornby pence, but he would still have found some other reason to moan about the price. He should widen his horizons and look at what other European countries are charging, though I guess in countries like Germany they do have more disposable income, which again highlights the bit about selling price being influenced by what people are prepared to pay.
Like the 125 I was also created in 1975, approaching 50 years old and with excellent power output :)
Hey what steam Locomotive do you suggest?Im starting to get into the hobby and I want something nice.Ive got the GWR mixed traffic set from 1983-1984 I think?And the Hornby Thomas set
So amazing video sam
Looks very nice. Very good. The little baby stunter looks cute. But these look cool. Keep being awesome my friend. Ur trains are the best. Keep up the good work. Soon be buying a new train soon
I don't think baby stunters are legal these days. Medically outlawed in the 1970s.
Great video. Just need to do the OO version now. If you do get one of the latest OO versions, be weary of the fan mechanisms as the lubricant Hornby used in them can jam them up which i demonstrated in a couple of my own reviews
I dunno if Hornby do this specifically to make their loyal customers angry, but you can now get this pack as a train set with two coaches, an oval and siding of track, buffer stop AND controller for just £50 extra 😂
It’s the pre-order one, right? I want to get it that’s for sure
Amazing to see the newer GWR livery get some love with these new HST sets! I would love to see the older First Great Western livery too though!
Have you considered reviewing Rapido's Royal Hudson? Or the Jeco X2000?
As far as value. You can expect to pay £140 for a steam A4 loco without lights but admittedly with detailed drive rods etc. Which puts the trailer car at about £50. Compare to a pullman with lights this is not far off. I think Hornby should make an HST starter pack which would be a brilliant entry in this scale, and far less fragile.
Hi Sam, from your experience what gauge is your favourite?
Awesome video today Sam I think hornby should make this a train set
My couplings fell apart when running a 6 coach train .it's great set just as you say could be better the cab doors for one no real outline .the fan I'd have painted orange or red to show it off.i might do it myself at a later date.
Why no blue and grey coaches yet?? Only intercity ones.
When will Hornby install Kadee couplers on their toy trains? Nothing beats Kadee....
@@dgjvids1666 Hornby is stupid...
@@ronclark9724as soon as Kadee manages to make a NEM 355 version
@@ronclark9724 the TT:120 couplers Hornby uses are the standard ones in the entire TT scale and they have no issues whatsoever. It is the best interest of everyone to use a standard coupler in all models by all manufacturers.
I am planning to get one in the GWR green. Also cannot wait for the Class 66 to come out later this year.
Yeah I know!! The 66 will be awesome if the mechanism is like this one!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi can you tell me if you have reviewed the 0.16.5 L&B loco. If not do you intend at a later date cheers.
Great bit of kit in TT, thanks for that. I am supposed to be in the UK in May and I will try to get that set and the 08 class as well. In terms of very good US HO scale models you can't go wrong with Walthers Mainline equipment. So far I have not had one bad item from them. YMV.
No problem glad you liked it! That sounds great - hope you enjoy the models if you get them!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Will you review the OO HSTs Sam? Some liveries have come down in price. :)
please compare it to a dapol n gauge hst. the dapol version is fairly old now but would be interesting to compare detail and value for money with hornby tt.
If you set both decoders to the same address you should be able to programme CV29 on the dummy loco to reverse the lights so they're the opposite of the powered one.
An HST is always a safe bet, a true icon of the railways and the power cars do look like they're nicely done. The ride height has me a bit concerned now though. I'm old enough to remember seeing Mk1 coaches coupled to Mk3 coaches on the West Coast Mainline, and they were the same height. The HST power cars tower above those Mk1 coaches, so are the Mk3 coaches going to be as tall or are they going to be the same height as the Mk1 coaches as they should be...and in either case, which model has Hornby got their measurements wrong on?
thanks for this film sam. will be buying 2 sets to make up a mixed set. caroline
Hi Caroline. Mixed in what way?
Happy Easter all. I’d love to see one in the green East Midlands livery.
Really like the look of this. I've seen they've just released a train pack with coaches and maybe track too. Now my question to you is, at an RRP of £250 do you think we will be receiving the same product as you have got, or a Railroad type equivalent, seems too good value to be true if it is the same quality
Lovely model and a credit to Hornby. Bit expensive I agree, but we're used to Hornby ovepricing, and a satin sheen isn't too much to ask. Love to see some MK 3s in the consist. Cheers Sam.
Have you ever tried the OO versions? I thought the ‘LNER Silver Jubilee’ version would of been right up you’re street, especially with the recent clearance sales on them
Is the dummy car dcc chip next 18 too?
would love the Mark 3 coaches when it is convenient
Convenient as in available? I have mine on pre-order; I believe they are due Q1 (already passed) or Q2.
Hornby's latest news video tells us that these will be available in a pack with two coaches at £249.99, which is helpful (although you'll still need 3 or 4 more coaches for a realistic train).
It seems overall that the TT range by Hornby is well thought, even if it does not goes with a wide variety of vehicles yet. This model is nice and worth a buy.
If I would be starting model trains from scratch by now, the TT offer would have my ear.
Brilliant tt train set
I was expecting you to review these with some of the matching mark 3 coaches. I just assumed you left them out because they weren't in stock yet.
Low co motives. Love that way you say that.
blue and yellow one end, intercity the other end. with mix of coaches in same two liveries as at change over. I will be using both power cars on this train with the dummies and gwr brake coaches on the GWR mainline section for interest only.
Great review Sam, so Hornby can produce a great model, sadly to expensive. There should have been at least one coach for the money. Thanks Sam, regards to Chloe, we haven't seen for ages. God bless you both
Hi Sam an Thanks for the video. I am new to the hobby and bought a hornby set with the extension packs. So i am currently DC. So to go DCC am i right in saying that i now need a DCC Controller, a digital power track and just DCC power clips? only an 8x4 layout so its small. Am i missing anything? [ apart from the trains of course.] ......I almost went TT120 but went oo gauge for vastness of range.
No problem Paul - that's exciting! Yeah a DCC controller is one option, otherwise look into the Hornby hm7000 which offers DCC functionality without a DCC controller - you control the trains through your phone/tablet
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Thanks.
You need Mk3s Sam . Please review . I’m very interested but will only invest in TT120 when we get critical mass , to me that means the promised 37 and 47 . Once these in place I could contemplate a layout with the 08 and 50 . Would like a Met Camm dmu too . But I have a soft spot for these HSTs I remember seeing them new at Berwick Upon Tweed in 1979 . So it’s a definite possibility once more blur/grey stock available .
a fellow tt scale folk i honeslty prefer tillig Bahn's or Roco's track than any other but this class 43 is incredibly beautiful i am a sucker fo british locos like that one also can someone tell me where i can find what the 125 interCity consist cars are?
I think you should also review some O scale locomotive
I’d like to see another manufacturer get into TT; maybe MicroTrains who makes great freight cars (vans and wagons, for you British folk) in N scale here in the States. Perhaps Dapol or Bachmann UK. Maybe even Kato.
TT isn’t for me unfortunately but nice to see it all the same.
Would love a comparison between the similar era APT-E and APT-P in oo gauge.
That's understandable - yeah I'd like to do a comparison!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I'd like to see a review of the TT Mark 3 coaches please.
One of my all time favourite trains. You should absolutely review the MK3s as well.
FYI Dapol do a fairly impressive N gauge set like this, both PC / Dummy and book sets with 2 MK3s included. These are significantly cheaper than the TT equivilant as well.
Fantastic Adam - I'll have to look out for Dapol's - didn't know they had one!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hey Sam, I think the next models you could review could be more German engines. Maybe like a BR 80, BR 55 or BR 56.
Continue the good work btw love Ur vids 👍👍👍
Brilliant review for a brilliant train. Will you get hornbys TT Mk3 coaches to go along with it and fully complete it?
Sam I am looking for anLNER class91 dummy car in OO can you help me
i like the hst 125 in tt scale it has a nice livery and nice details.
i hope that hornby next release in tt has the same crisp detalis and colors and a good quality motor and bouild.
happy easter sam.
🐣🐣🐣🐰🐰🐰
Love a class 43, definitely one of the all time favourites, TT is an interesting scale but I don't see the point in it and I'm sticking with my 00 gauge, this was a very interesting and great review as usual keep up the amazing work! :)
Yeah it's iconic isn't it?? That's fair enough - I hear the OO one is awesome too!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The selling points are there (more space-efficient than OO yet larger than N, standardized features and quality, etc.) are there, but the question is whether it’s worth switching. And with a very minimalistic range, even the inquisitive will struggle to be motivated to make the tradeoff. Sam’sTrains video “Was TT a Mistake?” (or was that just the sentence from the thumbnail) analyses the predicaments Hornby will experience in selling the scale quite well.
I have to agree that I don't really see the point of TT if it is purely on the space element. As others have said I will stick with my extensive 00 gauge layout and I make do with the space I have and compromise like lots of us in the hobby do.
I think TT is vanity project and feel they the 00 gauge range has suffered massively over the past few years because of this.
Most of the so called new modern image stock is just old Lima tooling tarted up a bit. Not saying there is anything wrong with that as I loved the Lima models back in the day. I think this the 00 gsuge old tooling locos could be a great way to get new people into the hobby if the prices are too correct. Sorry to bang on about prices again but it is an issue even though some in the hobby seem to think it is not an issue.
@@jonathanmillar1975 Here was the complete list of official reasons. I’m guessing people will beg to differ on the price, but if anyone wants to argue about any of the points being valid, it would be helpful if you watched Sam's video first so you know you're not missing any critical information (It is called "Hornby TT:120 | Was It A Mistake?" by the way).
Do more with a given space
Less fiddly than N scale
Cheaper than 00, but similar detail
Models in scale with track
Cohesive range (Referring the couplings, DCC compatibility, etc)
To be fair, Sam’sTrains suggested that there would need to be at least 20 engines in the range before people would start taking it seriously.
@Charmaster04 Just to clarify, I did watch Sam's video, which was thought-provoking on the subject, which, in my opinion, has resulted in both positive and negative responses from the railway modelling world.
Like anyone, you can make your own mind up on the subject. I have previously committed on Sam's channel that IMO Hornby and Bachmann have had a bit of a monopoly in 00 gauge, but in the last 5 to 10 years they have had a shock with the likes of Dapol, Accurascale, Cavalex and Revolution Trains coming onto the market. Hornby don't seem to be up for the fight, so to speak. The question I posed is, would Hornby have been better investing in the 00 gauge offering. As I have previously posted on a number of sites I have nothing against Hornby, and know that they can make brilliant models which are reliable, run well and have super detail when they want too (I am a diesel modeller Class 56 and Class 60 been good examples). Unfortunately, Cavalex have stepped up the game with their Class 56 and suspect their Class 60 will be equally as good and prices are less than the Hornby models.
I agree on price maybe if you had a centre coach the price would have been reasonable as a train pack offering.
It would excellerate the development of the scale if other manufacturers offered items. I wonder if rhey will?
I'm not really a fan of diesel locomotive Sam, but great review ;)
Cheers Jasper & Willow
I agree with you Sam that the finish should be more satin as on their latest OO scale locomotives. And yes, price is to high! A Pico TT DB ICE 3 with two cars comes at 182.5€ retail. But a single Arnold TT ( =Hornby Group ) diesel Bo-Bo loc cost 175€. Must be company price politics... Otherwise a nicely detailed and fantastic runner. Thanks for reviewing.
I've been thinking, maybe you should put the scale along with the ranking in your books
Also there is the train set with sound ( £306 shop discount price )
Nice Job
How about a logbook for TT scale, as this would be better than putting locos of different scales up against eachother!
18:30 and 19:00 ... what is that blue substance on top of the chassis protrusions? Is it some sort of corrosion?
That's an indication that there are no brass bushings in the top part of the bodywork
@@ivovanzon164Thanks for reply.
The lights look significantly better than the 00 version… have hornby updated the 00 one to look like that in recent years?
17:18 I see what you did there Sam, lol ;)
Very impressive, but how many coaches (at about £38 each!) do you need for a complete HST set? A whole train is going to be rather pricey, but quality doesn't always come cheap...
I wonder what other types of locomotives we're are going to get in TT scale Sam, I guess we'll just have to wait and find out.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
With the TT event set for Tuesday, hopefully we will know more soon
Everything is identified on the relevant part of Hornby's website 🎉
Any Mach-3 Coaches to go with those Class-43's?
I don’t think any coaches travel at three times the speed of sound 🤔
An equitable review again Sam. We have been wondering if H have their TT made by Arnold which are their acquired TT subsidiary. We question this because Arnold's prices seem to be far better whilst fidelity seems upping H's. A bit awkward but fidelity is difficult to compare on pictures alone. Prices however are contrasted easy peasy by looking into both's webshop. Perhaps getting some Arnold stuff for some comparison would be an idea Sam. It would be most interesting actually. Cheerio.
Waiting for sam to test something from Tillig.
@@veitwilberg1277 Having looked at Tillig's webshop and prices converted to Sterling, an ICE loco set comes at least with 1 coach at around a tad lower RRP than H's HST which comes without even a coach as demonstrated by Sam. However..., almost no rolling stock is readily available on Tillig's webshop... Can we assume that Tillig works on pre-order only?
@@lindaoffenbach With Tillig most models work pre-order only, especially the so-called limited editions, that only get manufactured if enough pre-order is issued. About half the models that are quite generic models for the most TT-involved countries are manufactured in a way that you can either pre-order them, or you can place an order in the year after initial delivery, and a second run is going to be made 1-3 years after that. There are very few products that are available from the warehouse.
Great though more value in set and most of us have paid out already to get started. May hang on for the 66
The new Hornby Class 43 / Intercity 125 looks very nice and it runs very well. Plus, I do like this model, but the quality is a bit off and it is too expensive which I do have to agree with you Sam. Overall, it is a pretty good model.
honestly if Hornby made an LNER O4, id get into TT scale immediately
I think you might be in for a long wait...
The HST is used in Australia as the 'XPT'. I wonder if Hornby will consider painting one up in our colours?
Fascinating! I wonder if they will?!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Would need different molding, the 'face' is quite different even if the mechanicals are mostly the same
@@frostedbutts4340 They look more like the class 41 prototypes. But that just makes them more appealing.
The (A4?) steam loco you were running - is there a review of that? It's not in your roster.
I figure that's from the TT A4 Easterner starter set he reviewed mate.
I really do want the OO HSTs, but if I buy them then I can't get any steamies for a while... What do you think Sam?
I have a 9 Car HST in Intercity livery by Hornby (7 coaches plus 2 power cars) and am absolutely delighted with it. It is a stunning model with excellent performance and wonderful appearance. I also have the sound version of the set you review here. I see that you consider this set to be expensive/overpriced. Indeed you mention this several times. Can I ask what you are comparing the price with ….given that you don’t seem to have any other manufacturer’s TT models???
As you are aware the Hornby Intercity 2 power car set with sound and 2 mk3 coaches cost £366 (From Rails). By way of comparison, my KRES Goritz 4 car express railcar with sound cost me last year £684 (price now is £741). My KRES Flying Hamburger 4 car set with sound cost £802. A single add-on coach for the Flying Hamburger cost me a further £140. Compare this with a Hornby TT120 coach at £34.10.
I have a sizeable TT collection and find the Hornby TT120 items to be really excellent value for money compared to other items on the TT market and I think your comments on value for money are misplaced here. (Note I live in France so there were no UK import duty charges on the Kres items.)
near £200 for what is essentially a loco and a lit coach seems a tad ludicrous to me. it's a good loco, but I think if the second engine isn't powered it should be more around £150. either that or add a coach or two into the pack. that would've been a great deal! An inter city starter set i think would actually be a good idea for hornby. price it at 200 to 300 and give it a decent number of coaches. since it is a high speed engine some extra straights thrown in might be a good idea as well.
Hornby will be pleased
Shocked more like! 😂
To tell you the truth, I barely got any work done today, my mind kept thinking about you... How many videos have you prepared for April the First this year? 😉
Lol