Im 75 years old love your program especially Max Fisher, also always listen to Pod Save the World. Wish all podcasters on other news programs were as civil and polite as Jon F.
I cannot get past how universal agreement there is regarding how terrible social media is but how nobody stops using it, damn the consequences. We are not a bright species.
Agreed yet here I am on UA-cam absorbing the pods content. I have IG and put a 15 minute timer on it. I have a 30 minute timer on YT that I dismiss every 30 minutes 😂😮
I LOVE Jon & Max together! They are so fun to listen to, witty, deeply thoughtful, honest, and their kindness just oozes through ;) Best wishes Jon on the new addition to your family!
It's me. I'm the most online. I was born on the cusp of millennial and Gen z. Therefore, I am required to be on every social media platform constantly. It is truly a hellish existence.
@@B_Bodziak Gaming is better, especially if it is social, but even if you're gaming solo, at least, you're not getting the impression that your life sucks because you're comparing it to the curated version of other people's lives or forming unhealthy parasocial relationships to people you will never meet. Not that I have any experience with that...
@@Molly-jh4kz there are examples of unhealthy relationships with gaming, which can feed toxic emotions and obstruct good decision making (especially among young men). Competitive online games are the most notorious in that regard, especially when they include the ability to purchase extra power or prestige. However, gaming for most people is an overwhelmingly positive experience.
I am a boomer and I’m always looking at other perspectives because we can all learn from each other. I agree with your views and you may be surprised how many other educated people agree as well.
The greatest advice I can give as a elementary teacher is, screen time should be earned by reading time. Read a half hour, you get half an hour of screen time. Read an hour, an hour of screen time. Can also count being read to time.
Every time we 'reward' a child for reading (or practicing their sums), we reinforce the idea that reading/learning is a chore. A better option might be to talk to kids about all the wonderful creative opportunities that reading affords them. Then, 'challenge' students to help classmates who may be struggling to achieve reading parity. Rewarding students for good teamwork never goes out of style. 😉
Unless it’s a read-only device, I encourage them not to. The pull to open up apps and switch to social media/shopping/games is just too strong when it’s merely the next tab over.
As a Ukrainian who fled to Germany at the beginning of Russian invasion in 2022, I understand what Michael is going through. I had the same agonizing feeling that being online and seeing the horror of Bucha and Mariupol was at the same time awful for my health (I was already diagnosed with depression and adaptation disorder because of the move), and at the same time not watching it was equal to being a traitor, losing the connection with my friends and loved ones back at home. After 1,5 years of crying about this dilemma in therapy I just stopped using social media. I'm so much better now. Try it. And remember that you suffering won't change anything unfortunately, no matter how harsh that would sound. I feel like we still can productively help our people (for example I'm donating to our army and humanitarian initiatives) and still defend our personal sanity.
Hi Jon, please bring more Gen-Z voices onto the show. More than half of our generation is now voting-age and many of us participate in politics in some form either through college or just existing as people and may have interesting things to say on Crooked!
TikTok definitely leans more Gen. Z Twitter definitely has a small user base across all generations, despite its prominence. Reddit has a notable amount of users across all generations, including boomers.
I read Chaos Machine right after Max came on Offline to talk about it, and it truly changed the way I behave on the Internet. I'm trying to budget the $ to become a friend of the pod, largely because he joined the show. I also listen to Tommy and Ben regularly on PSTW, and I'm glad I will have all of your voices during the 2024 clusterfu**--I mean election. Thanks for all you do.
Yes, watch with your kids. My friends limited screen time and used it as a babysitter. I watched with my kid, it inspired so many conversations and imaginative play. I never put down what she was watching- although I did sometimes beg her to watch something new. Seriously, it hurts their feelings. Now she's a teenager and my friends are openly jealous of how close I am with my child.
I’m Gen X with two Gen Z kids (22 and 19). I tried SnapChat but couldn’t get the hang of it, so I never even tried TikTok. But I watch some TikToks that are posted to UA-cam. My Zoomers don’t really do a lot of social media. They’re mostly on Discord, and watch UA-cam. My older one goes on Reddit, at least to find good memes. We got our older one a phone at 11 because she had a lot of separation anxiety growing up. It helped her to know she could always contact us. We got our younger one a phone at 13. We waited because he wasn’t responsible enough to not lose it or break it.
@@lynnhettrick7588then why are you broadcasting it here, sweetie? oh! wait! did you say autistic? is that the well worn cue for everyone to feel sowwy for you??
Absolutely loved the discussion on feeling alienated by the online left. Max and Jon both had lovely responses, and it’s a sentiment I’ve wrestled with during the conflict as well.
Great discussion, guys. Thank you! Saying it again...Max has been an awesome addition to the team! A true gem. All the best for the new year ahead to everyone in the PSA team! God bless!
When it comes to online arguments, I think it was on Adam Conover's show, they talked about how you have 3 chances to change a mind. After the 3rd statement made in a conversation though, the chances of you changing a mind goes down so much, there is no point in continuing. People just dig in more and more after that and you end up just annoying everyone else that is reading or hearing what is going on.
I don't know about cause vs effect, but definitely by the third comment reply, the chances of a spiral into a huge 10+ comment chain argument goes up exponentially, or at least until one commenter is sick of it, or until a moderator locks it down. I'd actually say by the 2nd reply (so comment, counter-argument, reply), you can basically tell if the other side just wants a fight or is actually open to listening to your arguments, and minds are usually only changed if both sides are willing to listen.
@@antigonemerlin Good point - maybe not that the 3rd comment is magic, but that you can identify good-faith questions & honest discussions so as to decide whether to continue.
I find it interesting that in 2014 when Israel & Gaza were fighting that is when Putin invaded Crimea! I believe Putin is now ecstatic about the Israeli-Hamas war. It certainly is taking attention away from his Genocide in Ukraine. I hope people & Nations will not abandon the Ukrainian people. Slava Ukraine. Putin will not stop there.
22:38 Creating those bedtime routines is so important. It helps kids (and adults) get ready to fall asleep. My second kid *really* needed a strict bedtime and routine, otherwise he'd be a bear the next day. All my extended family would try to convince me, "Just stay a little longer. He'll be fine. It's just one late night." Uh, no. You're not here the next day when he just melts down all day long until we're back on track.
Read The book “How to Talk So Your Kids Will Listen and Listen So Your Kids Will Talk”. It’s an older book, but excellent techniques ! Really helps your child with learning empathy and with identifying their emotions! Jon, now that you will have 2 children, this book will be unbelievably helpful to reduce sibling rivalry! I can’t recommend this book enough!
As a journalist, I used to post all my articles as soon as they went up on social media. I've abandoned social media almost entirely since Elon declared war on the people who made Twitter not a cesspool.
Don't forget Jerry Mander's book Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, published 7 years before Amusing Ourselves to Death. Another great show, thanks!
I quite like Bluesky now. I think it passed a crucial threshold when it hit 2 million users. It now feels like the early days of Twitter from 2008-2012. It's less algorithmically driven so it's much more dependent on who you follow and how you interact with it. Also it's a smaller user base so you will regularly run out of new things to see and need to log off. This is a very good thing IMO.
When my dad got brain cancer for the second time, I deactivated Facebook, I've reactivated it a few times after he passed, regretted it and deactivated it again. I don't miss it all that much. I've never had Twitter, and I only go on Reddit when I want to know about something specific. I dislike Snapchat, and Tiktok doesn't interest me, ans it's potential security issues completely put me off of it. I feel like I'm slightly better off, but i consume UA-cam at a rate and amount that probably makes up for all the other ones I'm not on... But it's a mix of entertainment and learning/news. I just end up questioning how much social media I REALLY need or need to be connected to. Everything I've learned about it back in university, and since has put me off of a lot of it. Also I don't like people, sooooooooooo... 😂 Not sure what my point is, just sharing thoughts and experiences, really. Also, am millennial, can relate to knowing the before times of the Internet, and also growing up with it, too.
I don’t consider UA-cam to be social media; at least not how I utilize it. I left Facebook in 2014 and Instagram/Twitter in 2019. I don’t TikTok, Snap or Discord either. Greatest thing I’ve done for myself.
Right, I find commenting on some electronic music videos where the poster has only a couple thousand subscribers as 'social' as I get. Usually, praising their music taste/mixing or asking about what certain tracks are. As they have fewer subscribers, they usually reply. But it's not really 'social' media. Insta/Facebook/Twitter are things I'll never go near. Horrible rubbish. I have no interest in millions of other peoples' boring lives online....as much as they have no interest in my boring life. Consistently works both ways.
Social media is a tool - you get to decide how you use it or if you use it at all. Gen X here & I use social media in a very limited, keep up with family & friends kind of way. That works for me. 😊
The advent of print press is a more apt comparison to social media than television. Talk about if it’s in a book it’s real is the ancient equivalent to if it’s on the internet it’s real. Also it fractured the information monopoly that churches and monarchy had, which the modern equivalent is things like the modern mainstream press and governments.
The thing about Facebook is that’s where my people who for the most part I know IRL hang out and where I can actually connect. It’s where I feel I make the most impact when I post political stuff. Can’t seem to break through to actual connection on Twitter, Threads,IG, all of which I find annoying and full of barriers to actual connection. And in terms of real-time local events, FB is the only useful platform. At the same time, I’m aware that I use Podcasts as a substitute for actual smart convos IRL. I want to change that in 2024.
This is why people should not ask political podcast hosts for child development advice. Jon did not do too bad, but the fact is there is a lot of good research showing the harms of screentime on young children. Teachers have been alarmed about the huge increase in behavior problems, aggression, poor social skills, poor executive skills, even before the pandemic. The obvious impact of early screen exposure on our brain development should be treated like the national public health emergency that it is. Take it from this Behavioral Pediatrician for the past 20+ years.
It's difficult to be intentionally addicted to something. Funnily enough, being intentional with my addiction has at least shifted things around for me instead of making it a habit.
According to a 2020 article, members of Congress own up to $60.4 million in fossil fuel stocks. This includes nearly 30 members of congressional committees that oversee oil and gas companies.
One thing I see about social media is people use it as a bullhorn, "I have an opinion and I'm not afraid to say it". I can remember hearing that opinions are like rectums, everyone has one... and they usually stink. When I read or see something that upsets me or even if I agree I try to search and ask myself questions - is this true, is there a bias that is not necessarily true or false. In order words, I think about it. Sometimes there was nothing to get upset about and because I took my time I didn't join the bullhorn of opinion.
According to a 2019 report, 10 senators own between $403,023 and $1,201,000 in individual stocks of Big Oil companies. This includes senators on critical committees involved in climate regulations.
My son watched for a half hour a day until 7 years old. After 7, he still watched a half hour, but started drawing while watching. By 12 or 13 he watched an hour but always drawing splendiferous drawings in huge sketch books. We did a lot of activities; went a lot of places - lots of sports. Don’t want Jon to feel bad but a half-hour is possible, it just takes a lot of energy & drive by parents. Also: Why isn’t Mr. Rogers being rerun? Legal issues? It’s a great loss for kids.
As either the youngest of millennials or the oldest of Z, I just want to throw it out there that I have noticed how well Crooked does with including perspective across most generations. I think there will always be a consumer majority within the Millennial generation simply because the four guys are representative of that generation. Simultaneously-- I don't think that is cause for concern or necessary to focus on, as the content is important and therefore translates to all audiences interested and willing to listen.
Just got on Threads to take a look, after they opened it up in Europe, and so far it feels surprisingly wholesome, even the algorithmic feed. Twitter always felt like a wasteland, even years ago, there was nothign to do there if you didn't participate in angry shout-outs.
24:27 The things that happen, from what I have been reading, on Mastadon mainly seem to be things that people don't want to be easily publicized. Like, counter-protesting organizations and target acquisition. But, yeah, like the adult-kid who sold Military secrets on Discord, it's a similar situation on Mastadon--in terms of lack of that "YOU MISSED IT!" phenomina that Twitter and such once became known for.
Is PayPal considered social media? Its name sort of indicates a social q doesn't it? I've found the app to be way too intrusive and it's violating privacy, for sure. I didnt ask it to pay a bill for me. Maybe the box was pre-selected? Nonetheless, i stopped the payment thru my bank and all future Pay Pal requests will be rejected. This after they double charged my 2 accounts for months on every purchase. Not tolerating it! Thanks for the topic, guys. Congrats on the books. 🎉
Jon & Max nailed crux of this issue that it’s a connection illusion like 📺social media is always 1 sided & I feel the loss of activism 4 awareness is far more insidious. Kids know how to express their opinions yet not how to convince & communicate like an MLK. Idk if an MLK exists w/o living w/ that lull in activity, the moment of boredom & silence is what allows to look inwards & reflect. We respond to posts bt it’s not at all like any discussions IRL bcuz it’s too fragmented to be back & forth. I bet until we mandate actual limits on socials, like students cannot access an app until few hrs in the evenings like 6-10pm & varying brackets depending on their ages.
As long as people go to twitter because that's "where things happen", it'll remain the place where things happen. I deactivated my account in august and whether I'm on bluesky or threads, a lot of it is people who can't commit to cut off twitter, flocking around a twitter screenshot and droning on and on about how bad things are over there - like being on a date where the other person won't stop talking about their ex. The state of the go-to place of microblogging is just a chicken and egg situation. People still somehow accept any and all insane policy changes Musk makes to be able to clutch to their following and the addiction of the established place. Provided that they have a breaking point, it'll be a very slow trickle of people from twitter to whichever platform has the biggest reach when they've FINALLY had enough, but I think the format is fundamentally strong enough that it's going to happen.
Please take Charlie outside in the morning. What if he started his day with a cloud, a flower a tree? Not having kids into this human/AI hellscape is the best move I ever made. Good luck y’all. Of course if you believe social media the ocean collapses in 2050 and we’re all screwed. Love you guys.
Mastodon’s a very pleasant place to be social mediaingnbut then I’m on the nerdfighteria instance so it might not be the standard experience. Still, my understanding is that you’re far more likely to stumble on somebody interesting posting about interesting things
I’d love to see you include more disability perspectives (then maybe you wouldn’t joke about medical misinformation). I don’t think anyone on the show understands social media as a lifeline, particularly nowadays for people who are still at high risk from COVID. As someone who is neurodivergent, as much as social media is a place where there’s a lot of misinformation and hatred about us, it’s also a place where people can find support and information. And most important we can find each other. While it’s appropriate to say twitter, Tik tok and facebook are awful places; I would also point out the New York Times has been widely criticised for its anti-trans reporting, as has The Times in the UK. I genuinely refused to read the NYT after it posted a story looking at the ‘love story’ behind a murder/suicide. I don’t trust the BBC since they broadcast a documentary earlier this year about ADHD so full of stigma and misinformation that people should lose their jobs over it. Only this week Prince Harry won a court case against several newspapers. Look at the Coleen Rooney’s documentary about how paparazzi were stalking her and Wayne at 16. He’ll, look at why she was so angry stories were being sold to The Sun. Social media is bad, but don’t pretend legacy media is better.
I disagree about TikTok, it’s algorithm is not at all like Facebook and Twitter/X, I never see fear-mongering - anger-inducing videos, mine is quite literally sunshine and rainbows because that’s all I want to see there. Unlike FB and X that still seem to prioritise rage-response videos.
RE: "Abandoned by the left" A lot of people don't understand the difference (and a lot of other people are cynically pretending not to understand in order to fan the flames) between pointing out that there is no perfect resistance or revolt (look up some of the stuff the ANC did in apartheid South Africa) and supporting or justifying the death of innocents. I'm going to give you a really hard fucking truth: if Oct 7th is an identifiable turning point, then 20/30/50 years from now the innocent deaths on that day are going to be a footnote in the history. And that sounds awful, but the reason those deaths will be minimized in the view of history is because what Israel had done up to that point (and continues to do to this point) is nothing short of monstrous. If Oct 7th is the historical turning point in Palestinian liberation, then fucking HAMAS will be see as David in the David vs Goliath fight (and before that rubs you the wrong way, read up on what David did to Uriah.)
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Im 75 years old love your program especially Max Fisher, also always listen to Pod Save the World. Wish all podcasters on other news programs were as civil and polite as Jon F.
Me too I am 79
64 here, count me in.
80 here and love listening to these shows. Just feel old when they talk about the different generations and realize I am older than all of them.
67 years old. Avid listener. Does this make us not average Boomers?
I cannot get past how universal agreement there is regarding how terrible social media is but how nobody stops using it, damn the consequences. We are not a bright species.
Agreed yet here I am on UA-cam absorbing the pods content. I have IG and put a 15 minute timer on it. I have a 30 minute timer on YT that I dismiss every 30 minutes 😂😮
I don't think it's a question of intelligence. Social media exploits our social and addictive nature for profit.
@@mollymclean-xj3qd😂
Well everyone talking about it on social media hasn't stopped using it, some of us have
Social media is not inherently terrible. It is just relatively new and most of us have not yet figured out how to find balance and use it healthily.
I LOVE Jon & Max together! They are so fun to listen to, witty, deeply thoughtful, honest, and their kindness just oozes through ;) Best wishes Jon on the new addition to your family!
It's me. I'm the most online. I was born on the cusp of millennial and Gen z. Therefore, I am required to be on every social media platform constantly. It is truly a hellish existence.
How's Myspace doing nowadays
For those in your generation, if one is not on social media, they're gaming! I'm not sure which is better!
@@B_Bodziak Gaming is better, especially if it is social, but even if you're gaming solo, at least, you're not getting the impression that your life sucks because you're comparing it to the curated version of other people's lives or forming unhealthy parasocial relationships to people you will never meet. Not that I have any experience with that...
@@Molly-jh4kz there are examples of unhealthy relationships with gaming, which can feed toxic emotions and obstruct good decision making (especially among young men). Competitive online games are the most notorious in that regard, especially when they include the ability to purchase extra power or prestige.
However, gaming for most people is an overwhelmingly positive experience.
Go outside
I am a boomer and I’m always looking at other perspectives because we can all learn from each other. I agree with your views and you may be surprised how many other educated people agree as well.
The greatest advice I can give as a elementary teacher is, screen time should be earned by reading time. Read a half hour, you get half an hour of screen time. Read an hour, an hour of screen time. Can also count being read to time.
What about students who read on their devices?
Every time we 'reward' a child for reading (or practicing their sums), we reinforce the idea that reading/learning is a chore.
A better option might be to talk to kids about all the wonderful creative opportunities that reading affords them.
Then, 'challenge' students to help classmates who may be struggling to achieve reading parity.
Rewarding students for good teamwork never goes out of style.
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Unless it’s a read-only device, I encourage them not to. The pull to open up apps and switch to social media/shopping/games is just too strong when it’s merely the next tab over.
As a Ukrainian who fled to Germany at the beginning of Russian invasion in 2022, I understand what Michael is going through. I had the same agonizing feeling that being online and seeing the horror of Bucha and Mariupol was at the same time awful for my health (I was already diagnosed with depression and adaptation disorder because of the move), and at the same time not watching it was equal to being a traitor, losing the connection with my friends and loved ones back at home.
After 1,5 years of crying about this dilemma in therapy I just stopped using social media. I'm so much better now. Try it.
And remember that you suffering won't change anything unfortunately, no matter how harsh that would sound.
I feel like we still can productively help our people (for example I'm donating to our army and humanitarian initiatives) and still defend our personal sanity.
Thanks!
"Mosh pit of misinformation and hate speech" Great description of social media
Agreed, I'm using this because it is a perfect description and not a put down. It makes you think.
Hi Jon, please bring more Gen-Z voices onto the show. More than half of our generation is now voting-age and many of us participate in politics in some form either through college or just existing as people and may have interesting things to say on Crooked!
So glad you are interested and paying attention! You are doing your civic duty.
I'm 35, never had a tiktok or Twitter account. Never will. Reddit and YT is more than enough.
Yup same here. Tried Twitter before X for some of those I support here but this UA-cam is good enough. Lol.
TikTok definitely leans more Gen. Z
Twitter definitely has a small user base across all generations, despite its prominence.
Reddit has a notable amount of users across all generations, including boomers.
thank y'all - I look forward each week! Happy Holidays and happy baby!
I read Chaos Machine right after Max came on Offline to talk about it, and it truly changed the way I behave on the Internet. I'm trying to budget the $ to become a friend of the pod, largely because he joined the show. I also listen to Tommy and Ben regularly on PSTW, and I'm glad I will have all of your voices during the 2024 clusterfu**--I mean election. Thanks for all you do.
Yes, watch with your kids. My friends limited screen time and used it as a babysitter. I watched with my kid, it inspired so many conversations and imaginative play. I never put down what she was watching- although I did sometimes beg her to watch something new. Seriously, it hurts their feelings. Now she's a teenager and my friends are openly jealous of how close I am with my child.
Same here. 👍🏼
I’m Gen X with two Gen Z kids (22 and 19). I tried SnapChat but couldn’t get the hang of it, so I never even tried TikTok. But I watch some TikToks that are posted to UA-cam. My Zoomers don’t really do a lot of social media. They’re mostly on Discord, and watch UA-cam. My older one goes on Reddit, at least to find good memes.
We got our older one a phone at 11 because she had a lot of separation anxiety growing up. It helped her to know she could always contact us. We got our younger one a phone at 13. We waited because he wasn’t responsible enough to not lose it or break it.
you fell for the old separation anxiety ruse?? smh
@@lynnhettrick7588then why are you broadcasting it here, sweetie? oh! wait! did you say autistic? is that the well worn cue for everyone to feel sowwy for you??
@@Marcel_Audubon, I have no idea what your opinion is, but I know I don’t like how you express it
@@Nortarachanges must be sad being so lonely you need to try to insert yourself into other people's conversation
@@Marcel_Audubon , Aw you _do_ care! *offers hugs*
Absolutely loved the discussion on feeling alienated by the online left. Max and Jon both had lovely responses, and it’s a sentiment I’ve wrestled with during the conflict as well.
I'm Gen X and I love you guys...
Great discussion, guys. Thank you! Saying it again...Max has been an awesome addition to the team! A true gem. All the best for the new year ahead to everyone in the PSA team! God bless!
Thank you both for a dose of sanity. Excellent topics done with civility, respect & humor.
I thoroughly appreciate & enjoy this show. 😊
Thanks for such enlightening conversation!
When it comes to online arguments, I think it was on Adam Conover's show, they talked about how you have 3 chances to change a mind. After the 3rd statement made in a conversation though, the chances of you changing a mind goes down so much, there is no point in continuing. People just dig in more and more after that and you end up just annoying everyone else that is reading or hearing what is going on.
and you accepted that as fact? smh
I don't know about cause vs effect, but definitely by the third comment reply, the chances of a spiral into a huge 10+ comment chain argument goes up exponentially, or at least until one commenter is sick of it, or until a moderator locks it down.
I'd actually say by the 2nd reply (so comment, counter-argument, reply), you can basically tell if the other side just wants a fight or is actually open to listening to your arguments, and minds are usually only changed if both sides are willing to listen.
@@antigonemerlin Good point - maybe not that the 3rd comment is magic, but that you can identify good-faith questions & honest discussions so as to decide whether to continue.
I find it interesting that in 2014 when Israel & Gaza were fighting that is when Putin invaded Crimea! I believe Putin is now ecstatic about the Israeli-Hamas war. It certainly is taking attention away from his Genocide in Ukraine. I hope people & Nations will not abandon the Ukrainian people. Slava Ukraine. Putin will not stop there.
22:38 Creating those bedtime routines is so important. It helps kids (and adults) get ready to fall asleep. My second kid *really* needed a strict bedtime and routine, otherwise he'd be a bear the next day. All my extended family would try to convince me, "Just stay a little longer. He'll be fine. It's just one late night." Uh, no. You're not here the next day when he just melts down all day long until we're back on track.
Read The book “How to Talk So Your Kids Will Listen and Listen So Your Kids Will Talk”. It’s an older book, but excellent techniques ! Really helps your child with learning empathy and with identifying their emotions! Jon, now that you will have 2 children, this book will be unbelievably helpful to reduce sibling rivalry! I can’t recommend this book enough!
Thanks
As a journalist, I used to post all my articles as soon as they went up on social media. I've abandoned social media almost entirely since Elon declared war on the people who made Twitter not a cesspool.
Early Millinneal here...I will never have a twitter or tiktok. I dont even Reddit anymore!
Another solid sender, thank you! I'm really enjoying the Jon/Max match, great combo.
I love listening to you thank you
Don't forget Jerry Mander's book Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, published 7 years before Amusing Ourselves to Death. Another great show, thanks!
I quite like Bluesky now. I think it passed a crucial threshold when it hit 2 million users. It now feels like the early days of Twitter from 2008-2012. It's less algorithmically driven so it's much more dependent on who you follow and how you interact with it. Also it's a smaller user base so you will regularly run out of new things to see and need to log off. This is a very good thing IMO.
Great show! I especially loved the question about kids and screen time. Congratulations Jon and Emily on the upcoming birth of baby #2.
You mean they are having a baby?? I thought all dems did not look at a baby as a viable human being until birth. Are you a hypocrite?
Great discussion!
oh wow didn't expect to run into anime chat in the middle of this pod! Always a welcome surprise.
Thankful for your show! So inspirational and mindful. Thank you so much, learning from you all the time! I'm a boomer.
Jon is right. The Happiness Study is a great watch. First Pod Save America video I saw and have been watching since.
Tiktok is my second least used platform after threads lol. I spend most of my time on UA-cam.
When my dad got brain cancer for the second time, I deactivated Facebook, I've reactivated it a few times after he passed, regretted it and deactivated it again.
I don't miss it all that much. I've never had Twitter, and I only go on Reddit when I want to know about something specific.
I dislike Snapchat, and Tiktok doesn't interest me, ans it's potential security issues completely put me off of it.
I feel like I'm slightly better off, but i consume UA-cam at a rate and amount that probably makes up for all the other ones I'm not on... But it's a mix of entertainment and learning/news.
I just end up questioning how much social media I REALLY need or need to be connected to. Everything I've learned about it back in university, and since has put me off of a lot of it.
Also I don't like people, sooooooooooo... 😂
Not sure what my point is, just sharing thoughts and experiences, really. Also, am millennial, can relate to knowing the before times of the Internet, and also growing up with it, too.
I don’t consider UA-cam to be social media; at least not how I utilize it. I left Facebook in 2014 and Instagram/Twitter in 2019. I don’t TikTok, Snap or Discord either. Greatest thing I’ve done for myself.
Right, I find commenting on some electronic music videos where the poster has only a couple thousand subscribers as 'social' as I get. Usually, praising their music taste/mixing or asking about what certain tracks are. As they have fewer subscribers, they usually reply. But it's not really 'social' media. Insta/Facebook/Twitter are things I'll never go near. Horrible rubbish. I have no interest in millions of other peoples' boring lives online....as much as they have no interest in my boring life. Consistently works both ways.
Hello! I’m a boomer and I enjoy many podcasts, that includes you. Podsave America is one of my favorites. Just FYI.
awareness is activism. aware people make conscious choices
Social media is a tool - you get to decide how you use it or if you use it at all. Gen X here & I use social media in a very limited, keep up with family & friends kind of way. That works for me. 😊
Love this show
The advent of print press is a more apt comparison to social media than television. Talk about if it’s in a book it’s real is the ancient equivalent to if it’s on the internet it’s real. Also it fractured the information monopoly that churches and monarchy had, which the modern equivalent is things like the modern mainstream press and governments.
Max is such a funny dude. I love the big laughs he gets out of Jon 😂
32:45 I'm glad max said all that!
I’m sure this was pre-recorded but congrats to Jon and his wife on their newborn
I have never been on FB or Twitter or Snap Chat etc. so glad I never went down those knee jerk rabbit holes
Have a great time with your new baby! I hope the birth goes/went well with no problems!
The crooked discord has solved all my social media issues
Preordered the audible version!! Used the libre site and you can pick an independent bookstore to support.
I like hearing Whoopi's comments because she often says that we should wait for more information.
More people need to be humble and say I don't know.
Was that before or after she was suspended from the view?
@@Ndbrown2 Last week twice.
The thing about Facebook is that’s where my people who for the most part I know IRL hang out and where I can actually connect.
It’s where I feel I make the most impact when I post political stuff. Can’t seem to break through to actual connection on Twitter, Threads,IG, all of which I find annoying and full
of barriers to actual connection. And in terms of real-time local events, FB is the only useful platform. At the same time, I’m aware that I use Podcasts as a substitute for actual smart convos IRL. I want to change that in 2024.
Everything Naomi Klein said about personal branding is what I hate most about IG, Threads Twitter.
This is why people should not ask political podcast hosts for child development advice. Jon did not do too bad, but the fact is there is a lot of good research showing the harms of screentime on young children. Teachers have been alarmed about the huge increase in behavior problems, aggression, poor social skills, poor executive skills, even before the pandemic. The obvious impact of early screen exposure on our brain development should be treated like the national public health emergency that it is. Take it from this Behavioral Pediatrician for the past 20+ years.
Twitter was never the main hub of discourse. Reddit always had a superior center for learning what was going on in the world.
Reddit great for the more in depth town square style but Twitter is far better for breaking news especially with the hashtag mechanic
Hearing you guys talk about Twitter made me glad I haven’t used it in almost a year. Seems like such a waste of time now.
Never been on twitter. Never been on facebook. Super happy...
It's difficult to be intentionally addicted to something. Funnily enough, being intentional with my addiction has at least shifted things around for me instead of making it a habit.
Since the Chosen came out I didn't go much at all to watch anything.but with all now I watch utube.all I can watch in a day.
According to a 2020 article, members of Congress own up to $60.4 million in fossil fuel stocks. This includes nearly 30 members of congressional committees that oversee oil and gas companies.
I would laugh at the books banned in your state joke, but i live in one of those states 😅. But they can't stop the mail. 😊
Congratulations on the new addition to your family Jon, my youngest daughter is due to have her third and last son, Jellybean! I can hardly wait!
Gee another dem waiting for the birth of a baby. Does planned parenthood know about this?
Aren't you glad they were not aborted?
One thing I see about social media is people use it as a bullhorn, "I have an opinion and I'm not afraid to say it". I can remember hearing that opinions are like rectums, everyone has one... and they usually stink. When I read or see something that upsets me or even if I agree I try to search and ask myself questions - is this true, is there a bias that is not necessarily true or false. In order words, I think about it. Sometimes there was nothing to get upset about and because I took my time I didn't join the bullhorn of opinion.
According to a 2019 report, 10 senators own between $403,023 and $1,201,000 in individual stocks of Big Oil companies. This includes senators on critical committees involved in climate regulations.
Woah, Favs! A 20-minute walk with no phone! That gave me anxiety. 😅
At least the 'vibes vs data' convo is pertinent to the election season ha
I believe it was Monty Python who said: then again, Camelot is a silly place.
My son watched for a half hour a day until 7 years old. After 7, he still watched a half hour, but started drawing while watching. By 12 or 13 he watched an hour but always drawing splendiferous drawings in huge sketch books. We did a lot of activities; went a lot of places - lots of sports. Don’t want Jon to feel bad but a half-hour is possible, it just takes a lot of energy & drive by parents. Also: Why isn’t Mr. Rogers being rerun? Legal issues? It’s a great loss for kids.
I’m 67, so check that boomer box hard! 😂😂😂😂😂
Boomers and gen-x on Facebook - social media has had the most damaging effect on the generations that started using it as adults.
Tech execs: let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.
The Hilarious irony of these two saying BlueSky and Mastodon are irrelevant and then go on talking about threads for 10 minutes. 😂
I won't try to recommend the Jon where to start with Miyazaki, but he's going to like it
As either the youngest of millennials or the oldest of Z, I just want to throw it out there that I have noticed how well Crooked does with including perspective across most generations. I think there will always be a consumer majority within the Millennial generation simply because the four guys are representative of that generation. Simultaneously-- I don't think that is cause for concern or necessary to focus on, as the content is important and therefore translates to all audiences interested and willing to listen.
Just got on Threads to take a look, after they opened it up in Europe, and so far it feels surprisingly wholesome, even the algorithmic feed. Twitter always felt like a wasteland, even years ago, there was nothign to do there if you didn't participate in angry shout-outs.
Where are all the KONY 2012 shirts??
Get the book "Reading with Phonics" by Julie Hay and Charles Wingo for Charlie. Have him practice his word sounds.
Twitter just "feels" like it is so much worse, Max? Only feels? Ooookay.
Gen z here it’s us
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The things that happen, from what I have been reading, on Mastadon mainly seem to be things that people don't want to be easily publicized. Like, counter-protesting organizations and target acquisition. But, yeah, like the adult-kid who sold Military secrets on Discord, it's a similar situation on Mastadon--in terms of lack of that "YOU MISSED IT!" phenomina that Twitter and such once became known for.
Is PayPal considered social media? Its name sort of indicates a social q doesn't it?
I've found the app to be way too intrusive and it's violating privacy, for sure. I didnt ask it to pay a bill for me. Maybe the box was pre-selected? Nonetheless, i stopped the payment thru my bank and all future Pay Pal requests will be rejected. This after they double charged my 2 accounts for months on every purchase. Not tolerating it!
Thanks for the topic, guys. Congrats on the books. 🎉
Jon & Max nailed crux of this issue that it’s a connection illusion like 📺social media is always 1 sided & I feel the loss of activism 4 awareness is far more insidious.
Kids know how to express their opinions yet not how to convince & communicate like an MLK. Idk if an MLK exists w/o living w/ that lull in activity, the moment of boredom & silence is what allows to look inwards & reflect.
We respond to posts bt it’s not at all like any discussions IRL bcuz it’s too fragmented to be back & forth. I bet until we mandate actual limits on socials, like students cannot access an app until few hrs in the evenings like 6-10pm & varying brackets depending on their ages.
as a Boomer, it amazes me that the thought of taking 20-30 minutes away from our phone is a goal for you. Makes me sad.
calendar brain is so real lol
As long as people go to twitter because that's "where things happen", it'll remain the place where things happen.
I deactivated my account in august and whether I'm on bluesky or threads, a lot of it is people who can't commit to cut off twitter, flocking around a twitter screenshot and droning on and on about how bad things are over there - like being on a date where the other person won't stop talking about their ex.
The state of the go-to place of microblogging is just a chicken and egg situation. People still somehow accept any and all insane policy changes Musk makes to be able to clutch to their following and the addiction of the established place. Provided that they have a breaking point, it'll be a very slow trickle of people from twitter to whichever platform has the biggest reach when they've FINALLY had enough, but I think the format is fundamentally strong enough that it's going to happen.
Please take Charlie outside in the morning. What if he started his day with a cloud, a flower a tree? Not having kids into this human/AI hellscape is the best move I ever made. Good luck y’all. Of course if you believe social media the ocean collapses in 2050 and we’re all screwed. Love you guys.
Mastodon’s a very pleasant place to be social mediaingnbut then I’m on the nerdfighteria instance so it might not be the standard experience. Still, my understanding is that you’re far more likely to stumble on somebody interesting posting about interesting things
Im more interested in knowing who plays more video games honestly. Millennial whose not on twitter anymore but uses shorts and reels too much
I'm 37 and video games are still my #1 choice in entertainment. I'm listening/watching this while playing GTA V on PC
I can only wear contacts glasses dont work with my eyes so can't read before bed. Im very anoyed
Gen X on Facebook 😂
I’d love to see you include more disability perspectives (then maybe you wouldn’t joke about medical misinformation). I don’t think anyone on the show understands social media as a lifeline, particularly nowadays for people who are still at high risk from COVID. As someone who is neurodivergent, as much as social media is a place where there’s a lot of misinformation and hatred about us, it’s also a place where people can find support and information. And most important we can find each other.
While it’s appropriate to say twitter, Tik tok and facebook are awful places; I would also point out the New York Times has been widely criticised for its anti-trans reporting, as has The Times in the UK. I genuinely refused to read the NYT after it posted a story looking at the ‘love story’ behind a murder/suicide.
I don’t trust the BBC since they broadcast a documentary earlier this year about ADHD so full of stigma and misinformation that people should lose their jobs over it. Only this week Prince Harry won a court case against several newspapers. Look at the Coleen Rooney’s documentary about how paparazzi were stalking her and Wayne at 16. He’ll, look at why she was so angry stories were being sold to The Sun.
Social media is bad, but don’t pretend legacy media is better.
google search is dead. It's all sponsored links. No actual 'search' occurs...
I disagree about TikTok, it’s algorithm is not at all like Facebook and Twitter/X, I never see fear-mongering - anger-inducing videos, mine is quite literally sunshine and rainbows because that’s all I want to see there. Unlike FB and X that still seem to prioritise rage-response videos.
MORE CONSERVATIVE CHANNELS POPPING UP EVERY DAY.
Yeah, but there is a healthy part of the Furry community on Blue Skye, there for it's successful in repressing biggots so far. So there is that.
Love Max, he da man but can we hire a laughing coach for him? It is very "huh .. huh .. huh".
I think "progressive" is on its way to being a dirty word.
It happens. Liberal was the old word
"Welcome to Offline. Today we will be talking about everything online." I love y'all, but change the name, Fav.
😂 i thought the same thing🤣🤣🤣
RE: "Abandoned by the left"
A lot of people don't understand the difference (and a lot of other people are cynically pretending not to understand in order to fan the flames) between pointing out that there is no perfect resistance or revolt (look up some of the stuff the ANC did in apartheid South Africa) and supporting or justifying the death of innocents. I'm going to give you a really hard fucking truth: if Oct 7th is an identifiable turning point, then 20/30/50 years from now the innocent deaths on that day are going to be a footnote in the history. And that sounds awful, but the reason those deaths will be minimized in the view of history is because what Israel had done up to that point (and continues to do to this point) is nothing short of monstrous. If Oct 7th is the historical turning point in Palestinian liberation, then fucking HAMAS will be see as David in the David vs Goliath fight (and before that rubs you the wrong way, read up on what David did to Uriah.)
Google 48:00 responded to you talking about it.