Black Diesel - Centrifuge Shootout Part 2 - WVO Designs Raw Power Basic VS Extreme 6k
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
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In today's video, I do a back-to-back comparison of the WVO Designs Raw Power 3450rpm and the Extreme 6000rpm units.
Is the added upfront cost of the Extreme worth it? Is it worth upgrading the basic model to the extreme? Lets find out!
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0:00 Intro
0:59 Centrifuge Replumb Details
2:50 Centrifuge Supply Fixed
3:28 Basic Centrifuge Disassembly
4:36 Motor Swap
5:32 Extreme Controller Wiring
7:05 Initial Rotor Weight
7:52 Temporary Lid Vent
8:41 Ready To Run
9:28 Extreme Initial Startup
11:41 1st Batch Results
13:07 1st Batch Rotor Weight
14:02 Conclusion
16:47 Next Test Details - Multi Pass
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Thank you for posting the 'testing and results'.
You are doing the alternative fuel community a great service with the information.
Appreciate you watching. Just glad to help.
IIRC, your pressure driven unit with heater tested damn near the same power usage as both of these direct drive tests. I had no idea pressure drive centrifuges existed, a very neat concept! For almost the same power usage, I am surprised at how much more junk these direct drive units pull out. I have probably 35 gallons of oil sitting around, I'm tempted to try one of those pressure drive centrifuges to clean it enough to run in the boiler. I don't have any diesel vehicles yet, but heating oil here is still $4-5 a gallon. I thoroughly appreciate all the testing you do
Power consumption with the pressure driven unit will be a little higher because you need to preheat the whole drum of oil to 170°+ F. The direct drive units are more efficient for sure but the pressure drive units have a smaller foot print. If you can source your own pump and motor, the pressure drive setups can be done fairly cheap. I prefer the direct drive personally.
Man I’m so glad I found your channel and jumped on the Facebook group also. I have learned a lot in a short amount of time. As always I enjoy the videos, very educational, clear and simple presentation and easy to understand.
Appreciate it bud! Glad they are helpful. It was a struggle to find any information when I first started so figured I'd try and share what I've learned over the years
What FB group?
@@yourfriendgary Theres a few... facebook.com/groups/217390477171178 facebook.com/groups/1100216360097369
That's one nice centrifuge.:) Looking forward to a double pass and see if that pulls more material out and how much.:) I finished up my heated second tanks system for wvo and running wvo 100 now and so far so good. The test will be when the temps fall and we'll see how the wvo behaves.:)
Good deal! I've made the multi pass batch and I'll likely be changing some plumbing here soon. That video will come next friday more than likely.
That was a great pack of info. Thank you for that.
Thanks for watching! If you're looking for a centrifuge or other gear, www.notsograndgarage.com
VERY Informative video!
Thanks for watching
Excellent. Thank you!!!
Thanks for watching
I would suggest at least 3 passes, used to run a 14000rpm centerfuge (380v 3ph AC) oil heated. Cleaned bowl daily. Used to clean 30,000 liters a week. Manie.
I've made a batch so far with multiple passes and I'd agree. I'll be posting a video on that next week.
Incredible, what type of g forces were u doing at 14k rpm? Thanks for sharing.
It'd probably be quite troublesome for him to acquire 3 phase power
Run these at 2.5 gallons per hour would pull way more out. Do 1.5 gallons per hour and your oil will be dang near clean enough to run in your engine again. A low flow rate, heat and rpm is your holy trinity.
Correct... but instead I do multiple passes. Same amount of time overall in the bowl but time to clean the bowl between passes and check how things are going. I cover that in a later video.
I know what u mean about cold weather. Here in Brisbane Australia we get couple night a year 0°C or 32°F😅. I didn't wear long pants or jacket this year again. Keep up the good vids mate. Cheers Graham
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Appreciate it! We've got family over that way and when they come to the states in winter, it's a shock for them. Lol
@@NotSoGrandGarage would do. I got to experience White Christmas 12 years in the UK magical. When it near 40°C or 104"F with 95% humanity on Christmas Day. Mate it don't feel like Christmas
I don't know why I didn't suggest it sooner. Get a diesel heater to heat that shed. You can start it a day before processing maybe cost you a few gallons of 8020 diesel
Already have one! There's a video or 2 on it. Lol
@@NotSoGrandGarage ha! I just found your channel yesterday
@@eby6114 Appreciate all the input!
Very informative videos. Been following for some time. Thanks for testing this stuff out. Saves everyone time and money.
Was thinking about milk/cream separators. Could they be modified to work for oil ? Or too small/weak ?
Not sure. I've heard of people doing it off and on but never seen or heard results. Might be worth testing at some point.
I am so glad that you are making these videos. I am indeed that filter playing around guy. I have containers for oil just no oil yet. I now will be buying a centrifuge. And this whole video series with the comparison of a pressure drive and the wvo direct drive has been very educational. I'm so excited for when you multiple batch with the direct drive. Also I am curious to see what your opinion is in the end. I feel personally if something is working why change it. If you have been happy with single pass direct drive results is it really worth it to multiple pass the oil? I'll be waiting for that video to come out.
I've made a batch using multiple passes and the results are interesting. It'll also be a bit before I give a final conclusion as I've got some other stuff in the works. I THINK PA is going to send me their direct drive to test when it comes back in stock which I like some of their design features.
I’ve been looking at the PA direct drive ultimate centrifuge so will definitely be watching if you do get one of their set ups to try. I like the larger bowl set up.
Great video. Keep it up! I had a bad batch this week which still had some water in it apparently cause my truck started to run not so well and then the water in fuel light came on. Soooo now I'm trying to drain the tank
Oof. At least it's easy enough to fix. Good luck!
@@NotSoGrandGarage I'm going to try to come up with a good water separator to run either on pump side or after centrifuge. I have the one from fill rite the filter and water separator in one but I've never been able to see water separation in that thing. This is obviously a last resort if water gets into the finish drum but would be nice to have if it would work
@@BRWfilms how hot are you heating the oil during processing?
@@NotSoGrandGarage i started out at 150 the first two or three batches. The next few I ran it anywhere from 175 to maxed out at 200. I may start running it all at 200 but I was concerned about burning up my heating element early since I would be running it at max. Tho I guess wvo designs would of used an element capable of higher Temps than 200 so that in reality it's not at its max.
I picked up some oil from a new source a bit ago and I let it settle in my dirty IBC tote for a week. That was enough time for the oily water to sink to the bottom. I then drained it off and was good to go.
Gonna have to do more tests. I've had batches come out like that where it looked like pudding and it held much more in the bowl because it wouldn't drain out. I've also had batches drain off and barely leave a thin film along the inside of the bowl. Both from the same 3400 RPM centrifuge.
Same. If it sits for a few weeks, most will drain off.
Have you looked into installing a P trap off the centrifuge for the clean oil going to the barrel? I know Steve at USFiltermax highly recommends having one to help catch excess water. And I’m pretty sure the guy from PA biodiesel had a video out there about installing one too. Looking forward to future videos and testing. Thanks for what you do.
Interesting. I'll look into it as I've not seen anyone mention doing that.
Seems reasonable and he's already got that plumbed in pvc anyway. 🤔
@@Gideon_Judges6 plumbing has since been changed. Works well
hi up to minus 10 centrigrade i connected a power steering radiator on top of the rocker top feeding the fuel line into and out before all the normal filter that i bought .cleanable stainless pressure washer type .you may be able to place it at the side of the block or even a intercooler radiator may suffice . keep plenty of fuel in tank though as it will soon warm up on long runs
Interesting idea.
Another great video.
Since you are measuring the amount of sludge removed with the centrifuge, have you guess how much is the volume of oil that is lost after settling and centrifuging?
Not sure. Haven't paid much attention to it as I don't have an exact volume I put in the gravity drum. I just roughly fill it up and go.
I've ordered mine and started to get all the ancillary gear to have a complete system based loosely on what I've seen from your system. I'm looking forward to cheap fuel, no longer $180 a week in diesel🥳.
What will you be feeding with your setup?
@@NotSoGrandGarage used engine oil. The mechanic up the road goes through heaps.
@@aaronharvey6991 what engine is what I meant. Good deal on a solid supply
@@NotSoGrandGarage it's an 02 f250. It has a 4.2 intercooled turbo.
You have the prefilter removed too, though I don't think that's accounts for the 1/3rd of a pound though.
Pre-filter has been gone for a while.
Hopefully you can avoid running everything 2x with the upgrading. I'm interested to see how a single pass works for you vs multi-pass and look forward to that video.
I've made one batch so far with multiple passes and the results are interesting. That video will be out next week.
I've been looking forward to this video! I'll be setting up my first ever system soon - definitely choosing the 6000rpm centrifuge... It looks to me like you're using WVO Design's Centrifuge Cleaning Power Booster. Would you say that it's worth it?
Yes... but I'd also look at the one from PA as they have it build into the bowl and the bowl is a 2 piece design. Really looking forward to testing it out. The "booster cone" is extra from WVO sadly.
@@NotSoGrandGarage Does the one from PA work with the WVO housing and motor?
@@yourfriendgary don't know. I think testing the PA unit is in the works but it'll be a bit... may do some tinkering when it comes in.
Thanks for the videos! What do you do with the waste sludge after you remove the usable wmo?
Fire starter or to the local parts store for recycling.
Well I'm interested in seeing what more passes do. Better for cold climates I would think???? Are you adding the 5 gallons of old gas/diesel fuel every time to the 50gal or just one time with multi passes? Also are you running final product in a 12 valve Cummins with P-Pump? I seen the old Mercedes you got pretty Kool man :)
I add the thinner ar the end of the batch so it doesn't go through the centrifuge. As for what I'm running it in, an IDI ford, an om617 mercedes... amd just recently, an IH DT360 which is very similar to a 12v cummins.
Howdy chris, how tight does that locking collar have to be? The one that hold the motor to the shaft.
Not super tight. Just snug.
How much water and sludge is in the bottom of the bulk tote and is it worth draining that off periodically? (Is there a chance some of it could be creeping up into the higher levels
I try and drain off sludge any time I empty a tote. As long as the tote isn't being moved around, the water and such should always be on the bottom.
So is the fuel savings worth it? How much has your electricity bill gone up running all the heaters, pumps, and that centerfuge?
It hasn't. Literally all in including electricity (which I'm on solar so that doesn't affect me... but added it in anyways..) if I'm buying gas (which I typically get stale gas or diesel mixes for free).. I'm paying under $0.30/gallon... not buying gas... under $0.08/gallon. Yeah it's worth it.
filters, start with filters and filter blocks on the truck or will go on your truck when done. I've never regretted putting a better cheaper filter on a pickup. cheap insurance, even pump fuel has given me issues i the past with water, debris ect. my .02$
Yup. All my dual tank setups have a good 2 mic nominal water separator right off the tank.
Question so #1 why didn't you go to a larger pipeline and #2 why not preheat in drum ?
Larger pipeline as in feed line to the centrifuge? I only run around 5gph... the current setup will easily do 3x that so no real need to go larger if I'm understanding your question correctly.
As for heating the gravity drum... again no real need to. The heater at the centrifuge does the job amd uses less energy doing it. It requires a lot of energy to heat a full drum of oil... drum would have to be metal... would have to be insulated... and even then, it would take hours with a high wattage heater to heat the whole drum to a point that it drives off moisture and makes a difference. Heating at the centrifuge is more efficient basically. Now of I were running a pressure drive setup, the only real way to use heat in that application is to heat the drum. Its doable... I'm just not setup for it and at this point, I wouldn't gain anything from doing it if that makes sense.
What oil ratio do you run in the winter time?I live in Ontario so similar temperatures as you
I've ran a 90/10 blend down to ~5F. I'll probably go with an 80/20 this year. (80% oil to 20% gasoline)
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Have you run it at like -15c if so what blend
-15c = 5F so yeah. I'd go with 80/20 as that's my plan for this year.
Hey I have a om617 turbo diesel can I run used motor oil in it If I get a centrifuge and filter the oil ?
Yes you can. I'd suggest dual tanks or staying below 50% oil in the tank.
If you watch my other videos, you'll see my 300SD with an om617.
You don't need a filter before the centrifuge
That is correct. Filter is long since gone.
Did that 6krmp weight have the same time to sight as those others?
Time to settle? All the oil was pulled from the same tote so yes.. actually that'd mean the 6k batch sat a bit longer.
May I ask how much G the new centrifuge motor produces?
Based on the website, 1200g's for the basic.. 3600 for the extreme at full speed. I need to take some measurements and run the numbers to see if its accurate.
Is there any way I can contact u directly I am thinking about getting in to this and want to talk to someone that has done it and has real world experience thanks
Sure. Email or my Facebook page would be the easiest. Email is - NotSoGrandGarage@gmail.com
Hello will filtering oil with a .5 micron filter and mixing 40% oil be ok
And not have any problems. I am currently running it in my diesel heater and works great but haven't ran my mercedes turbo diesel on it yet.
I want to be sure I'm not going to tear up my injectors or pump.
Or any other issues that would cost more than fuel savings. I live on a small dissability check so can afford to buy all the equipment that you have.
Thanks for your time and videos.. Robert
It's possible but you'll need a way to remove water. I would also run it through that filter more than once.
@@NotSoGrandGarage yea I do. I have a 1 micron filter then .5 micron then diesel water separator. Its working great in my diesel heater in my rv. Just haven't run it in my mercedes diesel. I would rather pay for fuel instead of destroying my $800 worth of injectors or pump. If damage is possible
@w124mercedes7 don't be afraid of used parts if you do have a failure. Most pumps can be had for $100 .. with that said, even with my equipment, failures are possible. Things can go wrong. Also, water separators remove free water but not emulsified water.
Start slow... work your way up. Notice a problem... back it back down.