There are two forms of modern Ganondorf mains • the people desperately trying to relive the glory days of early melee • float like a brick, sting like a freight train
Strange story: In Melee, the Crazy Hand trophy was regarded as one of the hardest trophies in the game to get due to needing to beat the Adventure mode on...I think Very Hard without using any continues. I tried this with ALL of my mains and could never beat it. The one character that I DID beat the mode and collect the elusive Crazy Hand trophy? Ganondorf. I seriously can't explain it or even make sense of it because Ganondorf was never a main for me but, for some reason, GANONDORF was the only character I could actually beat Very Hard Adventure mode without retrying.
@@ccmonty994 In Melee it was characters like Fox, Falco, Link, Captain Falcon and Bowser. I realized that my best chances at beating the harder levels were with heavier characters that didn't get thrown around so easily so I guess I realized at that point that Ganondorf would be my best chance.
Technically there are 2 currently impossible trophies Helmetless samus and I think Mario on yoshi (also a devil thing that’s Japanese exclusive because the gage never released outside of Japan fir having too much religious imagery) They were prizes at a Japanese TRU tournament and it was a Mario who won
It's true though. Ganondorf mains have their arms stuck all the way in the glue bottle. Proof: I am a Ganondorf main, and an absolute paste eater when it comes to games like Smash.
I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that Sakurai himself mained Ganondorf in Brawl. The dude literally made him the worst character in the entire series and chose to main him. What a legend
Makes sense. He made smash specifically because he kicked the ass of everyone he knew so hard they wouldn't play with him anymore. Therefore he made a party game fighter, with items to even the field. Man probably just wrecked everyone so hard that they mistook the skill gap for balance.
The funny thing about the Sword in Ultimate is that… Ganondorf never actually has that in OoT. He’s used big swords, two swords, tridents, and plenty of dark magic in the games, but the sword he gets in Ultimate technically isn’t in any form of Zelda canon. He just used it in a sword fight with Link during a GameCube tech Demo at Spaceworld 2000. Neither Wind Waker nor Twilight Princess had been shown to the public yet and so OoT was the only game they could really pull from for Ganondorf (plus it was the last big Zelda Title at the time), and he doesn’t really use a weapon in that game (beast Ganon uses two… Daggers? Swords? Either way that’s not the same as Ganondorf and they aren’t fitting enough for him visually), and so Ganondorf got his own fake new Gerudo styled sword to show off during his fight with Link. It later got to be included in Ganondorf’s Melee trophy, afterwards likely inspiring the design of one of Ganondorf’s Hyrule Warriors swords, and made its oh so grand return in Ultimate where you’ll see it before hearing the damning word from the king of evil himself… “DORIYAAAH!!”
What a lot of people forget is that before Brawl was revealed to be using TP designs, this was the exact sword people wanted him to use. I'm not sure why, maybe because it was in his Melee victory animation, but nonetheless it's such a cool sword that I'm glad that they went with it.
@@stephanos6128 yeah, but in his defense my wording there WAS kinda wonky. How I intended it to read was basically “the Spaceworld sword later got to be included in his Melee trophy, then probably inspired one of the sword designs Ganondorf gets in Hyrule Warriors, and-“ ect., but with how I worded it originally, it ended up reading like “it got to be included in Melee, (and was) likely inspired (by) the Hyrule Warriors swords”. So while my original wording was still correct, it was arranged in such a way that it’s confusing to understand
"Friend Who Played Ganondorf" was right, I had that EXACT friend who relished the opportunity to meteor spike us into oblivion, and they looked good while doing it.
Ganondorf is THE cheese character. You wanna humiliate your opponent? Wanna make them question their capabilities? Choose ganondorf. If you win, you can gloat all you want cause you won with the worst character. He’s like a more competent Dan
@@YOSSARIAN313Smash as a game just fundementally allows goofy bullshit to pass as "viable" easier than most fighting games, so a bottom tier suddenly dominating a top tier at equal skill levels is a total possibility, unlikely yes but far from impossible.
The sudden jump to the soft “And then the Vroom-Vroom Man showed up” combined with Captain Falcon growing in frame as the sentence went on sent me into a laughing fit for two and a half minutes.
One interesting tidbit with Smash Ganondorf I'd like to bring up is that his relation to Captain Falcon may have been inspired by his original inspiration. Raoh from Fist of the North Star heavily inspired Ganondorf, both with his design in OoT and his character arc in Wind Waker, and the decision to make him a Falcon clone in Smash may have been rationalized as giving him that same kind of role in the roster. A dominating warlord of the wasteland who decimates all in his path with his mighty fists.
Holy shit that’s awesome, also probably not, but he’s pretty similar to crocodile from one piece the scheming, and body type though of course more like Raoh, i just make that comparison since Gannondorf, is the cunning version of Gannon, and it’s probably why link, died in the downfall timeline only in the oot fight.
The cuter the character, the more likely they are to smash your face into the pavement. The more badass they seem, the less likely that they'll be able to win a 1 v 1 with the fly buzzing around their head.
It's like how in pokemon, as a kid you think the coolest, most badass looking pokemon are gonna get you to win, only later in life you find out you are losing to a ribombee
@Leeloo_the_fox An important rule for Smash is, it's not about who hits harder it's not getting hit. Little Mac is fast meaning you can both rush down your opponent and run way for a bait and punish. Meaning you can't afford to make a mistake, why because Punch Out is out about avoiding attacks and punishing the opponents.
Prolly most interesting way I say to compensate Ganondorf having trouble moving himself would be to make everyone else struggle moving him too. Make him a solid steel anchor, make it so even at high percents strong finisher moves would barely make him budge.
This is literally how taka-arashi works in virtua fighter. Everyone struggles to combo him because he’s too heavy to be launched for juggles to the point everyone needs to learn taka combos, and sans wolf and Jeffery, 6’8 wrestlers, everyone’s big throws are rechoreographed to animate like you’re trying to throw a 455 pound sumo wrestler. Kage usually izuna drops you into the ground but against taka he has to settle for just a judo flip followed up with a knee drop. The trade off is taka is so easy to smack because of how wide he is so to trade of taking way less damage from combos he generally takes more from pokes.
It's weird that he doesn't have anything like this because the tough guy armor that Bowser and Kazuya have would suit him perfectly. Kazuya in particular is what a good Ganondorf looks like.
@@DylanYoshi Kazuya is what I wish Ganondorf was like. Ganondorf is the prime example of a badly designed superheavyweight, and Kazuya is the complete opposite. First of all is the concept of heavyweights themselves. A heavyweight is a character that trades speed for stamina/weight. Basically, you're trading speed for survivability. But for some reason, superheavies in Smash tend to have terrible recoveries which cancels out their high survivability. Ganondorf has the second worst recovery in the game only behind Doctor Mario while Kazuya has an actually decent recovery, which makes him actually survive for very long like a real heavyweight. Then there's the advantage. Heavyweights are supposed to have a bad neutral but when they do get in, they are unstoppable. Ganondorf is hyped to have this massive power that kills you in a few interactions but the fact is that his advantage is not even impressive. So what if he gets a single hit that does 15% damage? If you're half decent, even a Sheik combo deals comparable damage or at least close, and Sheik has an actual good neutral so what's the upside here? Kazuya has awful neutral but can straight up kill you in one interaction. If you do not like Kazuya due to the controversies, take even Incineroar. Incineroar's revenge boosted alolan wip deals big numbers. Revenge as a whole is just a very well designed mechanic for a heavy because it punishes attacking carelessly like a heavyweight should. Both Kazuya and Incineroar make you tiptoe like you're walking in a landmine which is exactly the spirit of a heavyweight: to be menacing and nerve wrecking, making you know that any single mistake can cost you really hard.
@@impossiblehanley2732 Ganonforf is a very defensive High Risk high reward character. Not only can he take a hit but he can dish it out, the problem is if you make a mistake you're done. At the same time when Ganon does punish you, it's extremely punishing. Since Ganon has the Triforce of Power, Power is all he's got. Heavily's kinda have to be patient, but Ganon to the theory to the extreme.
Give him a passive ability that reduces the knockback he takes as he receives damage, so he's stuck at the knockback you deal at 0%. Ganondorf is supposed to be the big final boss of Zelda? Make him play like a final boss
As a Ganondorf main, I live exclusively for deleting stocks in 3 solid hits, especially in Ultimate. Mobility be damned, I will truck through everything and meme off the stage with a spike or side B. I also embody 27:58 for my friend group. They know my Ganon can do some evil things.
As a note, the sword Gannondorf uses in Smash is not his Ocarina of Time Sword, it's a special sword from Twilight Princess. I don't recall if he ever actually uses it in that game, but it was one of the swords the Sages tried to use to bind him at the end of the Child Story of Ocarina of Time. This same sword can be acquired in Breath of the Wild with a Ganondorf Amiibo and the in-game item directly references this.
In his appearances in Smash *before* Ultimate that is. In Ultimate it's not the same sword. Oh and yes, in the final fight against Ganondorf in Twilight Princess he duels you with the sword that he was "executed" with, which is metal as f*ck.
@@thecommonman9524 I just looked it up and he actually uses the Space World 2000 sword he used in a tech demo in Smash Ultimate and in Smash Melee it was a part of his victory poses. In Smash Brawl and Smash 4 he uses the Sword of the Seven Sages in his taunts, but not to attack except one custom move in 4. I mixed the two swords up because one of the Claymores in BotW is very similar to Ganondorf's Space World sword and drops from the Amiibo. Still, Ganondorf does not use a sword in Ocarina of Time until he transforms into Ganon.
It looks like that sword is the claymore Darknuts use in Twighlight Princess, right? It's been a while since I've played that game, but they look kinda similar.
28:43 this is very accurate, anytime N0ne switched from his amazing falcon to ganon people would lose it I remember the time he pulled it out against Zain when he was the best player in the world during slippi online era, the commentators were going crazy
All this love for Ganondorf makes me think he should appear in the next Bumbles McRumbles. As opposed to his canonical evil beefcake chessmaster, this Ganon is just a larger-than-life wall of wrestling spirit. He doesn't give a hoot about whether he wins or loses a match, he just wants to put on a good show for the crowd.
3:37 I find this part so funny for some reason. 15:00 Also this part. I love the way he says it and referring to Meta Knight as "The Demon" because he is the embodiment of Satan in this game.
My best friend's younger brother has mastered the usage of Ganondorf in SSBU (he's religiously mained the dorf since Smash4). Whenever I'm over for couch multiplayer we usually play three way FFA, so he's become a very patient player, waiting for me and his older brother to open the fight for him so he can sweep in and kill us both while we're not looking. It's incredibly dangerous especially when he's zoning on an omega or battlefield stage, meaning a large portion of the stage is practically off limits for anyone that isn't also a damage sponge. He rarely wins a match, but he always makes sure to take us down with him a few times.
When my family played Smash 4 my dad would always thrash us as Ganondorf. When we got Ultimate I bounced around characters until I was decent at all of them, and could win against everyone else. Then my dad comes in as Ganondorf and Bowser and we compete… and I discover how to actually fight them as GRENINJA of all characters. Shadow sneak spam is fun. :)
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 I wish it was just his up tilt lol. His up tilt being a freaking uncharged Smash Attack feels SO right for him too. It would have even been easy to implement.
I honestly hope the next Smash is about giving every character the DLC treatment: A design faithful to both their home series and playstyle. Ganondorf should be tossing about energy balls and floating all over the place, not suiciding and ramming himself into everything.
keep the ganonciding just give him a projectile, make some of his moves reflect and give him better recovery and he'll be mid-tier at least and an even bigger beast to deal with
@@Dingus_Mcbingused I hate it when people suggest giving him a projectile, BUT adding it on to his up special in a way similar to Mythra's feels like the best compromise.
Ganondorf is a fucking dopamine generator and I love him I just hope he's a little better mobility and recovery wise in future smash games (if there will be any)
Something that gets forgotten in talk about competitive Smash (which you did allude to) is that Smash isn't actually designed for the competitive ruleset we generally understand. Some characters like Ness are designed for a more hectic free-for-all where they can get away with playing the sidelines, someone like Kirby excels in more complex stages. Melee's trophies outright said that Pichu's intended design is basically 'tiny quick asshole that takes all the items'. The slow beefers like Ganondorf and Bowser struggle in competitive because they're supposed to be really good at having fucking ENORMOUS attacks with high priority. They're basically human stage hazards; you keep them in mind and you can usually get around them, but it's gonna suck for everyone else when they forget about them for long enough that suddenly they line up two and a half kills off a single smash attack by gatecrashing everyone else's fight. But that scenario's never going to happen in competitive 1v1, so they're always behind.
> the God Emperor Pac-Man *THE PAC IS BACK GHOSTS CHOMPING AT HIS FEET* Also don't think you're slick I saw that Lucina slander at 2:18 and I will only mildly tolerate it
I honestly would love to see you look more into lower tier characters in fighting games. It'd be amazing to see you cover people like Hugo from Street Fighter or Kuma in Tekken.
hugo is kindof interesting. i do not know that much about competitive street fighter, but from what i see, hugo was like ganondorf: slow and bottom tier. however, he was also a strong counter against yun, a top tier in SF4. imagine if ganondorf countered meta knight in brawl or bayonetta in smash 4 and that was basically hugo
Some people in smaller melee tourneys actually run this thing called dorfball. They set up a match where two human players are on one team and a single level 1 ganon bot is on the other, turn off team damage, and then compete to see who can score the most “goals” by launching ganon into their respective blast zones. It’s kinda like soccer but with a football that’s alive.
Fun Fact: Ganondorfs model in Melee isnt from OOT. It actually comes straight from that zelda tech demo which would eventually become wind waker. Yep the exact same model
@@ThyBigCheddar With heavy weights like Bowser and K rool. Only some of their non Smash attacks kill. With Ganon nearly all of his non Smash attacks kill at hight percent. The price for this much power, is that you can't afford to make a mistake. Ganon is a high risk high reward character, to the absolute extreme. This is kinda like Ganon boss fights in that in order for Ganon to win, the player has to make mistakes. That's because Ganon boss fights are so easy to exploit, expect for maybe Pig Ganon.
@@orangeslash1667 First off, no. Bowser and K rool have more kill power than Ganon due to super amour and better approach options. Second, Pyra has the same kill potential in her smash attacks as Ganondorf. And she doesn't have extreme downsides. Third, he's not high risk high reward. He's just bad. He's high risk low reward. Compare him to the other heavyweights who all have the same upsides but less downsides. Fourth, this logic is the same in every single boss fight ever made. That's how you lose a fight. And they aren't easy to exploit, they're just bad. Other than the totk fight, they're all slow, simple, or have very little required input. Also every time Ganondorf uses the Triforce of power he doesn't have insanely strong attacks but a ton of downsides. In TP he gets resistance to death, in OOT he gets better magic, and in wind waker he doesn't even use the thing.
@@ThyBigCheddar I said that Ganon has kill kill power, I didn't say he was safe. Bowser and k rool are safer options, while Ganon about playing defense, so that he doesn't make a single mistake. ua-cam.com/video/RUUvzV8-3Fs/v-deo.html
Actually, most top players seem to agree that in Ultimate, Little Mac is the better character between him and Ganondorf. So... Ganondorf is at the bottom.
I find it hard to believe through my experience that Ganon is considered bad throughout the community, and no I dont count competitive smash because I have better things to do with my life and so should they. But whenever I fight one, whenever I see one, I have this nameless fear.
Ganondorf is perfectly balanced is the best summary of this video. He isn't useless, has funny moves to style on people that aren't free kill confirm recoveries like Byleth's for example. He is exactly what you want in a FUN GAME. When you get into hyper competitive he sucks. Hyper competitive ruins everything though. Be it Pokemon, League of Legends, or Smash. The reason CoD became a cesspool is because it was competition and exploiting to win above all else. Ganondorf isn't bad, unhealthy competition is bad.
Ganondorf never used a sword in OOT. And no, the two swords he uses as Ganon arent the same sword. The sword is actually from the zelda gamecube tech demo. Then was on his character icon on the “challenger approaching” screen in melee. And was also in ganondorfs trophy. It was only over a decade until he could finally use that sword in action
That closing statement, man. "Sometimes you don't want a skill intensive match". I do. But I've accepted Ganon will never be good because he's intentionally bad. I've been maining the guy for longer than some of the current players have been alive. And he's sucked ever since Brawl. "Well you could always pick your favourite character" I can hear you saying. My favorite series is Mario and my favorite character is Waluigi. That's never happening either. I just have to accept I no longer belong in Smash' intended audience. And that's kinda sad.
I found you through your horror games video you uploaded and you have quickly become one of my favorite UA-camrs. I really enjoy your insight and knowledge over games you find interesting. Please keep making good videos
Ganondorf needs a move set that is more unique and not just a clone of Captain Falcon. He’s the big bad of the Zelda universe, and in Smash, he doesn’t use any of the cool magic attacks he uses in the Zelda games. He didn’t even use his sword until Smash Ultimate, and even then, he only used it in his smash attacks, which were identical to Ike’s. He deserves better than to be someone who people only root for because he’s a bad character so he’s the underdog.
I think Ganondorf and other low tiers like Little Mac show how different Platform Fighters from other fighting games. In normal fighting games, mobility is still important, but it's possible to make characters that are good without good mobility. In Platform Fighters however, Mobility is KEY to being successful. Even if you have a ton of damage, a lack of mobility will cripple you in the end. It is a PLATFORM fighter after all. And then this opens the doors for other fighting game concepts like Grapplers and Zoners and how they work differently in Platform Fighters.
Im honestly happy there's a section for the smash 4 custom moves. I still remember meeting up with the boys in the morning before we had to go to our classes breaking out our 3DS & going to town. I'd always dominate with with warlock blade & chain Letting me just overwhelm everyone with pure power.... Man I wish custom moves were still a thing in ultimate
I don't know why "you needed to turn off all your electronics just to find out if he was in the GAME" made me cackle the way it did but it did and I just wanted to let you know that.
Ganondorf in Smash is a complete opposite of how he is in his series. He's a major threat in the Zelda series, but is consistently one of the worst characters in Smash. Ganondorf fights with magic or swords in the Zelda series, but with his fists in Smash. He's the character that desperately needs a moveset overhaul the most since it doesn't accurately represent Ganondorf and it isn't a unique moveset. They could just add Black Shadow and give him Ganondorf's current moveset if they didn't want to completely remove his moveset entirely.
@@SonicTheCutehog Sakurai usually simplifies a character if they might have too much potential. A good example is Pit having some references to Uprising but not too much. While Ganon is build up as a threat in the Zelda series, his boss fights are not that challenging compared to Bowser and K Rool. Ganon is Smash kinda faithful to his boss fights in that he is predicable and very exploitable. Also Sakurai confirmed that Ganon was never planned to be in Smash at all and was put in at the last minute ua-cam.com/video/k6yBinvPWpk/v-deo.html.
@@orangeslash1667 That argument is blown out of the water due to characters like Steve and isn't the reason why Ganondorf is the way he is. He was a very last-minute addition to Melee, which meant he couldn't have a unique moveset. They took his model from the SpaceWorld 2000 GameCube Zelda tech demo due to these time constraints. Ganondorf's model happened to match Captain Falcon's skeleton, so they made him a Falcon clone. Later games would differentiate him slightly more, but would still be close to Captain Falcon due to not wanting to alienate players who liked his old moveset. If Ganondorf was added in Brawl or a later Smash game, he wouldn't be anything like he is now.
@@SonicTheCutehog Steve is not an over powered character in Mine craft. Characters like Sephiroth and Zelda can use spells because their so lightweight. Giving a bulky character like Ganon spells would be broken. Unlike Sephiroth where it makes sense to make him lightweight. I can't think of a reason how Ganon being lightweight would fit his character????Especially when dead mans Volley is not that great of a spell compared to Dins fire. There is good news Ganon does have an advantage against Pikachu, Plautanea, and Incineroar. Wizards foot can go though projectiles like T Jolt and Flame coke can negate Plautanea's and Incineroar's Down B. Most importantly is that Ganon is so much fun in double battles, because it's easy for anyone to make a mistake and Ganon's high defense lets him endure enough for his friend to help out.
Honestly, Ganondorf being expected to start already winning and stay winning makes sense with his appearances in the Zelda games. He usually starts out as the unstoppable king of evil who Link spends the whole game gaining ground against. Like in OoT, after you get the master sword… he’s won. His plan worked and he’s ruled Hyrule for seven years. You spend the rest of the game trying to undo his victory. Bit of a rant but I just thought it was kind of neat.
I thought the History of Ganondorf in Smash Brothers was just a small joke, but I am so happy to see it here! He was actually one of my favorites by the time Smash Ultimate came around and they had nerfed my previous main of Little Mac
every day i mourn the fact we didn't get ultimate ganon's new moveset with Wizard's Dropkick + Dark Fists + Flame Chain (or keep Choke). Would have been the perfect version of him mechanically...
Weird comparison, But by the sound of it, Ganondorf is the Smash equivalent of the Orks from Warhammer 40k. Unga-Bunga tactics, (One of the best tactics for an Ork player is literally fill your side with low cost units and pretty much drown the enemy.) Skills that basically mean you are either winning hard or losing hard (Thanks to attributes unique to Orks, The roll of the dice can either increase their damage, Or straight up kill themselves or each other. This means you can start dominating early on, Only for everything to start falling apart at the drop of a hat, And vice versa.) And the fact that out of everyone, They seem to be the most fun group over all. (Thanks to previously mentioned quirks.)
At the time of the writing of this comment they just released the first official tier list for Ultimate and surprise Ganondorf is at the very bottom right next to Little Mac.
Not a great designed character and they could modify his kick to be better but he's not meant to be 'on meta' just slow and powerful. If they cared about balancing then maybe add some features Captain Falcon never had but who has the speed to back up his heavy hits while Ganon is made slower, more powerful, but now doesn't have any way to make an approach. Smash really shouldnt be taken too seriously, odd to hear on a talk of competitive viability but most characters should be fun first and then see what the fanbase makes of them in no-items matches
Heya Bumbles, as a Ganon player I just wanted to say this was a great video! But I also wanted to ask if you've ever tried Project M's take on Ganondorf? Truly feels like the best of both worlds to me but funnily enough even then is still at best mid tier. Despite this, he's considerably more viable (mainly in part due to PM not really having any "bad" characters) and he has a lot of cool new tools, options, and references that I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts about.
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There are two forms of modern Ganondorf mains
• the people desperately trying to relive the glory days of early melee
• float like a brick, sting like a freight train
And then dies
I am proudly the latter.
I only need to hit you once, dex nerd
float like a brick, sting like a freight train are certainly words to love by
slower than a sloth, stronger than a thot
Strange story: In Melee, the Crazy Hand trophy was regarded as one of the hardest trophies in the game to get due to needing to beat the Adventure mode on...I think Very Hard without using any continues. I tried this with ALL of my mains and could never beat it. The one character that I DID beat the mode and collect the elusive Crazy Hand trophy? Ganondorf. I seriously can't explain it or even make sense of it because Ganondorf was never a main for me but, for some reason, GANONDORF was the only character I could actually beat Very Hard Adventure mode without retrying.
What characters did you main?
@@ccmonty994 In Melee it was characters like Fox, Falco, Link, Captain Falcon and Bowser. I realized that my best chances at beating the harder levels were with heavier characters that didn't get thrown around so easily so I guess I realized at that point that Ganondorf would be my best chance.
Technically there are 2 currently impossible trophies
Helmetless samus and I think Mario on yoshi (also a devil thing that’s Japanese exclusive because the gage never released outside of Japan fir having too much religious imagery)
They were prizes at a Japanese TRU tournament and it was a Mario who won
this story reminds me of the time i decided that ganondorf would be my main after i finished the true final boss in ultimate without dying with him
It's because of his Up Smash.
"Dying is usually seen as a sub-optimal move in a fight"
Damn the meta changed a lot since Wild West
Ganondorf main in Ultimate here, that "Ganondorf mains are built different, they have the blueprints upside-down" line's phenomenal.
It's true though. Ganondorf mains have their arms stuck all the way in the glue bottle.
Proof: I am a Ganondorf main, and an absolute paste eater when it comes to games like Smash.
@@shroobfan101saccount4 I literally can't play another character because I eat so much glue, even with the intention of trying to learn someone else.
9:29 for that funny!
I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that Sakurai himself mained Ganondorf in Brawl. The dude literally made him the worst character in the entire series and chose to main him. What a legend
I'm halfway convinced he likes to play Ganondorf so much, to the point he got overadjusted to the character and ended up nerfing it too harshly
Makes sense. He made smash specifically because he kicked the ass of everyone he knew so hard they wouldn't play with him anymore. Therefore he made a party game fighter, with items to even the field. Man probably just wrecked everyone so hard that they mistook the skill gap for balance.
HE IS ENTERTAINER!
@@darkness74185that actually makes some sense.
@@maromania7 yeah I'll integrate that into my worldview.
If you lost to Ganondorf in Brawl you are legally required to sell your controller
Make sure to use a Wiimote.
The funny thing about the Sword in Ultimate is that… Ganondorf never actually has that in OoT. He’s used big swords, two swords, tridents, and plenty of dark magic in the games, but the sword he gets in Ultimate technically isn’t in any form of Zelda canon. He just used it in a sword fight with Link during a GameCube tech Demo at Spaceworld 2000. Neither Wind Waker nor Twilight Princess had been shown to the public yet and so OoT was the only game they could really pull from for Ganondorf (plus it was the last big Zelda Title at the time), and he doesn’t really use a weapon in that game (beast Ganon uses two… Daggers? Swords? Either way that’s not the same as Ganondorf and they aren’t fitting enough for him visually), and so Ganondorf got his own fake new Gerudo styled sword to show off during his fight with Link.
It later got to be included in Ganondorf’s Melee trophy, afterwards likely inspiring the design of one of Ganondorf’s Hyrule Warriors swords, and made its oh so grand return in Ultimate where you’ll see it before hearing the damning word from the king of evil himself… “DORIYAAAH!!”
What a lot of people forget is that before Brawl was revealed to be using TP designs, this was the exact sword people wanted him to use. I'm not sure why, maybe because it was in his Melee victory animation, but nonetheless it's such a cool sword that I'm glad that they went with it.
even though it doesnt appear in zelda its badass and fits him well and still feels like something hed really use
while the sword doesnt show up in canon, you do actually see the sheath in Twilight Princess, the sheath is in the shape of the Space World sword.
@Bloo Berri he says the spaceworld sword may have inspired the sword ganon uses in hyrule warriors. not inspired by hyrule warriors
@@stephanos6128 yeah, but in his defense my wording there WAS kinda wonky. How I intended it to read was basically “the Spaceworld sword later got to be included in his Melee trophy, then probably inspired one of the sword designs Ganondorf gets in Hyrule Warriors, and-“ ect., but with how I worded it originally, it ended up reading like “it got to be included in Melee, (and was) likely inspired (by) the Hyrule Warriors swords”. So while my original wording was still correct, it was arranged in such a way that it’s confusing to understand
"Friend Who Played Ganondorf" was right, I had that EXACT friend who relished the opportunity to meteor spike us into oblivion, and they looked good while doing it.
my friend plays Ganondorf in Ultimate because of how stupid the character is. and for Ganon-cide. its loads of fun
Ganondorf is THE cheese character. You wanna humiliate your opponent? Wanna make them question their capabilities? Choose ganondorf. If you win, you can gloat all you want cause you won with the worst character. He’s like a more competent Dan
Even top tier ultimate players like Light and Cosmos have been embarrassed in tourney by ganon. Light got reverse 3-0d by ganon
@@YOSSARIAN313Smash as a game just fundementally allows goofy bullshit to pass as "viable" easier than most fighting games, so a bottom tier suddenly dominating a top tier at equal skill levels is a total possibility, unlikely yes but far from impossible.
The sudden jump to the soft “And then the Vroom-Vroom Man showed up” combined with Captain Falcon growing in frame as the sentence went on sent me into a laughing fit for two and a half minutes.
One interesting tidbit with Smash Ganondorf I'd like to bring up is that his relation to Captain Falcon may have been inspired by his original inspiration. Raoh from Fist of the North Star heavily inspired Ganondorf, both with his design in OoT and his character arc in Wind Waker, and the decision to make him a Falcon clone in Smash may have been rationalized as giving him that same kind of role in the roster. A dominating warlord of the wasteland who decimates all in his path with his mighty fists.
I would really like to see that Raoh inspiration expanded on. That would be so awesome.
I'm the biggest Hokuto no Ken fanboy loser in the world how did I not notice that?
Holy shit that’s awesome, also probably not, but he’s pretty similar to crocodile from one piece the scheming, and body type though of course more like Raoh, i just make that comparison since Gannondorf, is the cunning version of Gannon, and it’s probably why link, died in the downfall timeline only in the oot fight.
@@Haispawner What about funnie joey man that yells about grand dads.
@@joshshrum2764 Yes, what *about* him?
How does he relate to this?
The cuter the character, the more likely they are to smash your face into the pavement. The more badass they seem, the less likely that they'll be able to win a 1 v 1 with the fly buzzing around their head.
It's like how in pokemon, as a kid you think the coolest, most badass looking pokemon are gonna get you to win, only later in life you find out you are losing to a ribombee
@@cypher838 And now we have a little Fairy with a giant hammer and a family of 4 mice sweeping teams
Then why are Cloud, Snake and Joker top tier in Smash
@@gv82089only homosexuals will understand
@@gv82089can't speak for cloud but from what I heard, guns are really good in a fight
funfact: as a kid I mained Gandondorf in Brawl 'cause he cool.... now for some ungodly reason my mind decided I like little Mac...
Help Me pls
huh, same here.
Not sure about your chances of recovering from that, sorry mate.
@@Springdude11 recover? We’re Mac mains, we don’t know what that means!
@@DH_WhaleShark Exactly
@Leeloo_the_fox An important rule for Smash is, it's not about who hits harder it's not getting hit. Little Mac is fast meaning you can both rush down your opponent and run way for a bait and punish. Meaning you can't afford to make a mistake, why because Punch Out is out about avoiding attacks and punishing the opponents.
As a fellow Ganon main: Thank you for sharing the truth, brother. The Ganon Council is pleased.
As a fellow Ganon main: The Ganon Council is indeed pleased of your bringing to light our pleasure
As another fellow Ganondorf main, on behalf of the holy order of DORIYAH thank you for sharing the truth of the low tier hype man.
What the Ganon Council normally do?
@@Zero-ontheleft try and fail to optimize him into a lower mid tier
yes we must start a discord
Prolly most interesting way I say to compensate Ganondorf having trouble moving himself would be to make everyone else struggle moving him too. Make him a solid steel anchor, make it so even at high percents strong finisher moves would barely make him budge.
This is literally how taka-arashi works in virtua fighter. Everyone struggles to combo him because he’s too heavy to be launched for juggles to the point everyone needs to learn taka combos, and sans wolf and Jeffery, 6’8 wrestlers, everyone’s big throws are rechoreographed to animate like you’re trying to throw a 455 pound sumo wrestler. Kage usually izuna drops you into the ground but against taka he has to settle for just a judo flip followed up with a knee drop. The trade off is taka is so easy to smack because of how wide he is so to trade of taking way less damage from combos he generally takes more from pokes.
It's weird that he doesn't have anything like this because the tough guy armor that Bowser and Kazuya have would suit him perfectly. Kazuya in particular is what a good Ganondorf looks like.
@@DylanYoshi Kazuya is what I wish Ganondorf was like. Ganondorf is the prime example of a badly designed superheavyweight, and Kazuya is the complete opposite. First of all is the concept of heavyweights themselves. A heavyweight is a character that trades speed for stamina/weight. Basically, you're trading speed for survivability. But for some reason, superheavies in Smash tend to have terrible recoveries which cancels out their high survivability. Ganondorf has the second worst recovery in the game only behind Doctor Mario while Kazuya has an actually decent recovery, which makes him actually survive for very long like a real heavyweight. Then there's the advantage. Heavyweights are supposed to have a bad neutral but when they do get in, they are unstoppable. Ganondorf is hyped to have this massive power that kills you in a few interactions but the fact is that his advantage is not even impressive. So what if he gets a single hit that does 15% damage? If you're half decent, even a Sheik combo deals comparable damage or at least close, and Sheik has an actual good neutral so what's the upside here? Kazuya has awful neutral but can straight up kill you in one interaction. If you do not like Kazuya due to the controversies, take even Incineroar. Incineroar's revenge boosted alolan wip deals big numbers. Revenge as a whole is just a very well designed mechanic for a heavy because it punishes attacking carelessly like a heavyweight should. Both Kazuya and Incineroar make you tiptoe like you're walking in a landmine which is exactly the spirit of a heavyweight: to be menacing and nerve wrecking, making you know that any single mistake can cost you really hard.
@@impossiblehanley2732 Ganonforf is a very defensive High Risk high reward character. Not only can he take a hit but he can dish it out, the problem is if you make a mistake you're done. At the same time when Ganon does punish you, it's extremely punishing. Since Ganon has the Triforce of Power, Power is all he's got. Heavily's kinda have to be patient, but Ganon to the theory to the extreme.
Give him a passive ability that reduces the knockback he takes as he receives damage, so he's stuck at the knockback you deal at 0%.
Ganondorf is supposed to be the big final boss of Zelda? Make him play like a final boss
Ganondorf has been my main too since I first got Melee.
I actually recently won a Smash Ultimate tournament while playing him
Congrats!
As a Ganondorf main, I live exclusively for deleting stocks in 3 solid hits, especially in Ultimate. Mobility be damned, I will truck through everything and meme off the stage with a spike or side B.
I also embody 27:58 for my friend group. They know my Ganon can do some evil things.
As a note, the sword Gannondorf uses in Smash is not his Ocarina of Time Sword, it's a special sword from Twilight Princess. I don't recall if he ever actually uses it in that game, but it was one of the swords the Sages tried to use to bind him at the end of the Child Story of Ocarina of Time. This same sword can be acquired in Breath of the Wild with a Ganondorf Amiibo and the in-game item directly references this.
In his appearances in Smash *before* Ultimate that is. In Ultimate it's not the same sword. Oh and yes, in the final fight against Ganondorf in Twilight Princess he duels you with the sword that he was "executed" with, which is metal as f*ck.
@@thecommonman9524 I just looked it up and he actually uses the Space World 2000 sword he used in a tech demo in Smash Ultimate and in Smash Melee it was a part of his victory poses. In Smash Brawl and Smash 4 he uses the Sword of the Seven Sages in his taunts, but not to attack except one custom move in 4. I mixed the two swords up because one of the Claymores in BotW is very similar to Ganondorf's Space World sword and drops from the Amiibo. Still, Ganondorf does not use a sword in Ocarina of Time until he transforms into Ganon.
It looks like that sword is the claymore Darknuts use in Twighlight Princess, right? It's been a while since I've played that game, but they look kinda similar.
@@lankymaccrazyhair264 his sword in ultimate is the sword he used against link in the gamecube tech demo in 2000
"And then the vroom vroom man showed up"
That line sends me every time I hear it. XD
No way he actually did the Ganondorf video we all thought he was joking about
That Suavemente de Elvis Crespo came out of nowhere lol. As a latin person I love it!
Reference to terminal montage video where ganondorf dancing to suavemente (a man of culture gotta say)
13:00 “Most characters that are bad stay bad.”
Palutena: “what was that? I can’t hear you over N A I R”
See that's why I'm glad I said MOST
Also Wario and Roy
Yeah tell that to Mario and Luigi. Brawl was a tough time for both and Smash 4 was a party for both.
@@gv82089 Wario was quite good in Brawl
So many characters that were mediocre to bad became crack the fuck out in Ult. Palutena, Pacman, Roy, Shulk etc.
I agree. Sometimes, the worst things in life, are the most fun.
3:58 If Ganondorf had the knee as his forward air, that would have been the funniest thing ever
28:43 this is very accurate, anytime N0ne switched from his amazing falcon to ganon people would lose it
I remember the time he pulled it out against Zain when he was the best player in the world during slippi online era, the commentators were going crazy
All this love for Ganondorf makes me think he should appear in the next Bumbles McRumbles. As opposed to his canonical evil beefcake chessmaster, this Ganon is just a larger-than-life wall of wrestling spirit. He doesn't give a hoot about whether he wins or loses a match, he just wants to put on a good show for the crowd.
3:37 I find this part so funny for some reason.
15:00 Also this part. I love the way he says it and referring to Meta Knight as "The Demon" because he is the embodiment of Satan in this game.
"And then Vroom-Vroom Man showed up."
As a 22 year Ganondorf Main, this video was an incredible watch 🥲. Great work!
A half hour video solely devoted to Ganondorf in Smash.
This is gonna be a treat.
Improvise.
Adapt.
DORIYAH!
If all else fails, Forward Smash.
My best friend's younger brother has mastered the usage of Ganondorf in SSBU (he's religiously mained the dorf since Smash4). Whenever I'm over for couch multiplayer we usually play three way FFA, so he's become a very patient player, waiting for me and his older brother to open the fight for him so he can sweep in and kill us both while we're not looking. It's incredibly dangerous especially when he's zoning on an omega or battlefield stage, meaning a large portion of the stage is practically off limits for anyone that isn't also a damage sponge. He rarely wins a match, but he always makes sure to take us down with him a few times.
As a Ganon main in Ultimate, this video speaks to me very deeply. It's not about winning, it's about having a great time.
Amen!
even if that great time happens to make you win half the time lmao god I love smash ganon
When my family played Smash 4 my dad would always thrash us as Ganondorf. When we got Ultimate I bounced around characters until I was decent at all of them, and could win against everyone else. Then my dad comes in as Ganondorf and Bowser and we compete… and I discover how to actually fight them as GRENINJA of all characters. Shadow sneak spam is fun. :)
His Brawl Up Smash is also really good actually, it's one of the VERY few moves in the game that can safely hit through Meta Knight Tornado!
I'm mad his up smash got changed In ultimate. His fucking kick was one of his best moves
In smash 4 it has 2 frames of recovery. Meaning you have to try to punish something with a big hitbox that kills really early in 1/30th of a second.
@@Neogears1312 I did not know that and that's genuinely hysterical. God I adore Ganon.
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 I wish it was just his up tilt lol. His up tilt being a freaking uncharged Smash Attack feels SO right for him too. It would have even been easy to implement.
@@Neogears1312That up smash was a blessing in 4. You could legit spam that move for mental pressure and then side tilt if they tried to punish you.
I honestly hope the next Smash is about giving every character the DLC treatment: A design faithful to both their home series and playstyle. Ganondorf should be tossing about energy balls and floating all over the place, not suiciding and ramming himself into everything.
That's very biased towards Ocarina though. TP and maybe WW would need rep too without seeming too...eh.
keep the ganonciding just give him a projectile, make some of his moves reflect and give him better recovery and he'll be mid-tier at least and an even bigger beast to deal with
@@Dingus_Mcbingused I hate it when people suggest giving him a projectile, BUT adding it on to his up special in a way similar to Mythra's feels like the best compromise.
At the very least give wizards foot projectile invinciblity
Like it’s common in othe fighting games so why not add it
@@jmurray1110If they aren't gonna add Dropkick they should at least do this.
"The God Emperor Pac-Man"
Huzzah, a man of quality!
Ganondorf is a fucking dopamine generator and I love him
I just hope he's a little better mobility and recovery wise in future smash games (if there will be any)
Something that gets forgotten in talk about competitive Smash (which you did allude to) is that Smash isn't actually designed for the competitive ruleset we generally understand. Some characters like Ness are designed for a more hectic free-for-all where they can get away with playing the sidelines, someone like Kirby excels in more complex stages. Melee's trophies outright said that Pichu's intended design is basically 'tiny quick asshole that takes all the items'.
The slow beefers like Ganondorf and Bowser struggle in competitive because they're supposed to be really good at having fucking ENORMOUS attacks with high priority. They're basically human stage hazards; you keep them in mind and you can usually get around them, but it's gonna suck for everyone else when they forget about them for long enough that suddenly they line up two and a half kills off a single smash attack by gatecrashing everyone else's fight. But that scenario's never going to happen in competitive 1v1, so they're always behind.
“ganondorf” The announcer said calmly.
> the God Emperor Pac-Man
*THE PAC IS BACK GHOSTS CHOMPING AT HIS FEET*
Also don't think you're slick I saw that Lucina slander at 2:18 and I will only mildly tolerate it
As someone who mains the 'Dorf, I approve this message.
I honestly would love to see you look more into lower tier characters in fighting games. It'd be amazing to see you cover people like Hugo from Street Fighter or Kuma in Tekken.
hugo is kindof interesting. i do not know that much about competitive street fighter, but from what i see, hugo was like ganondorf: slow and bottom tier. however, he was also a strong counter against yun, a top tier in SF4. imagine if ganondorf countered meta knight in brawl or bayonetta in smash 4 and that was basically hugo
Or strive Potemkin
@@Underworlder5 His up smash in Brawl IS one of the only moves that can safely beat Mach Tornado.
Shame everything else sucks.
If you want a place where Ganon is genuinely high tier come join us in competitive amiibo training.
I know amiibos are cracked at the game at high levels, but can they actually make **Ganondorf** top tier?
SSBB Tier Lists in a Nutshell: 15:00 - 15:08
Some people in smaller melee tourneys actually run this thing called dorfball. They set up a match where two human players are on one team and a single level 1 ganon bot is on the other, turn off team damage, and then compete to see who can score the most “goals” by launching ganon into their respective blast zones. It’s kinda like soccer but with a football that’s alive.
Fun Fact: Ganondorfs model in Melee isnt from OOT. It actually comes straight from that zelda tech demo which would eventually become wind waker. Yep the exact same model
You actually used the Suavemente joke in this video. You mad lad.... you are epic!!!
12:28 was that a Terminal Montage refrance!? You have further cemented my respect for you.
What no Project M / Project + mention… *He has a float now* 😤
I always liked that ganondorfs crowd chant sounds like a crowd of undead followers that he rules over
It fits him perfectly. Idk why Yoshi and Falco have that same creepy crowd effect
ganondorf mains be like: "no hes not captain falcoooooon"
Ganondorf in Zelda lore: The dark king of evil.
Ganondorf in Smash: The silly king of trash.
Ganon in the Zelda series has the tri force of Power. Power is the the best way to describe Ganon in Smash.
@@orangeslash1667Not really if a light breeze kills him
@@ThyBigCheddar With heavy weights like Bowser and K rool. Only some of their non Smash attacks kill. With Ganon nearly all of his non Smash attacks kill at hight percent. The price for this much power, is that you can't afford to make a mistake. Ganon is a high risk high reward character, to the absolute extreme.
This is kinda like Ganon boss fights in that in order for Ganon to win, the player has to make mistakes. That's because Ganon boss fights are so easy to exploit, expect for maybe Pig Ganon.
@@orangeslash1667 First off, no. Bowser and K rool have more kill power than Ganon due to super amour and better approach options. Second, Pyra has the same kill potential in her smash attacks as Ganondorf. And she doesn't have extreme downsides. Third, he's not high risk high reward. He's just bad. He's high risk low reward. Compare him to the other heavyweights who all have the same upsides but less downsides.
Fourth, this logic is the same in every single boss fight ever made. That's how you lose a fight. And they aren't easy to exploit, they're just bad. Other than the totk fight, they're all slow, simple, or have very little required input.
Also every time Ganondorf uses the Triforce of power he doesn't have insanely strong attacks but a ton of downsides. In TP he gets resistance to death, in OOT he gets better magic, and in wind waker he doesn't even use the thing.
@@ThyBigCheddar I said that Ganon has kill kill power, I didn't say he was safe. Bowser and k rool are safer options, while Ganon about playing defense, so that he doesn't make a single mistake. ua-cam.com/video/RUUvzV8-3Fs/v-deo.html
Ngl, when he hinted this video, i genuinely thought he was joking. This is a delightful surprise.
RIP to Ganon's old U-smash. One of the funniest moves of all time in brawl and Smash 4
Booting level 9 CPUs into the stratosphere for minor mistakes never got old.
ganon just leaks grappler energy from every pore of his evil flesh
Actually, most top players seem to agree that in Ultimate, Little Mac is the better character between him and Ganondorf. So... Ganondorf is at the bottom.
At least Mac has speed and power. Ganon has... fucking nothing.
-a totally not biased Mac main please don't hurt me I cannot recover from injury
It's always a good day when Bumbles Mcfumbles uploads
Bumbles exclusively makes videos for my demographic apparently
Ganondorf's moveset is what I wish they could give to Black Shadow. We had only Falcon for like 5 games, come on add another vroom vroom man.
For that they would need to make another vroom vroom game
I'm a simple man. I sees a Bumbles McFumbles clip, I click.
I find it hard to believe through my experience that Ganon is considered bad throughout the community, and no I dont count competitive smash because I have better things to do with my life and so should they. But whenever I fight one, whenever I see one, I have this nameless fear.
Ganondorf is perfectly balanced is the best summary of this video.
He isn't useless, has funny moves to style on people that aren't free kill confirm recoveries like Byleth's for example. He is exactly what you want in a FUN GAME. When you get into hyper competitive he sucks. Hyper competitive ruins everything though.
Be it Pokemon, League of Legends, or Smash. The reason CoD became a cesspool is because it was competition and exploiting to win above all else. Ganondorf isn't bad, unhealthy competition is bad.
That cat that was shown for a second cosplaying as ganondorf was fucking hilarious.
I feel like I learned something about how to play him.
This was an amazing video essay to watch. You NEED to get more views for this omg, that was entertaining!
11:30 listen...next we will need a video where someone combines strategys from pro-wrhestling and aply to yugioh
Ganondorf never used a sword in OOT. And no, the two swords he uses as Ganon arent the same sword. The sword is actually from the zelda gamecube tech demo. Then was on his character icon on the “challenger approaching” screen in melee. And was also in ganondorfs trophy. It was only over a decade until he could finally use that sword in action
The true reason he was the worst character was because it took until ultimate for any of his boss fight themes to get in...
That closing statement, man. "Sometimes you don't want a skill intensive match". I do. But I've accepted Ganon will never be good because he's intentionally bad. I've been maining the guy for longer than some of the current players have been alive. And he's sucked ever since Brawl.
"Well you could always pick your favourite character" I can hear you saying.
My favorite series is Mario and my favorite character is Waluigi. That's never happening either.
I just have to accept I no longer belong in Smash' intended audience. And that's kinda sad.
Honey wake up, new bumble video came out
I found you through your horror games video you uploaded and you have quickly become one of my favorite UA-camrs. I really enjoy your insight and knowledge over games you find interesting. Please keep making good videos
Actually several brawl vets actually pin IVYSAUR as the worst character. Ganons still only 1 or 2 spots up from that but hey it’s something
Ganondorf needs a move set that is more unique and not just a clone of Captain Falcon. He’s the big bad of the Zelda universe, and in Smash, he doesn’t use any of the cool magic attacks he uses in the Zelda games. He didn’t even use his sword until Smash Ultimate, and even then, he only used it in his smash attacks, which were identical to Ike’s. He deserves better than to be someone who people only root for because he’s a bad character so he’s the underdog.
He at LEAST needs Dead Man's Volley as a move
Knowing that one of my favorite UA-camrs has the same shitty main as me is…odd. Good odd, but odd.
HOLY CRAP ANOTHER RIDLEY PLAYER ITS BEEN YEARS SINCE IVE SEEN THAT
Ganondorf is the character I got the closest to entering Elite Smash with or whatever you call that cancerous growth from online play
I have a brother who mains Ganondorf and I am now fully trained to kick his ass
I think Ganondorf and other low tiers like Little Mac show how different Platform Fighters from other fighting games. In normal fighting games, mobility is still important, but it's possible to make characters that are good without good mobility. In Platform Fighters however, Mobility is KEY to being successful. Even if you have a ton of damage, a lack of mobility will cripple you in the end. It is a PLATFORM fighter after all. And then this opens the doors for other fighting game concepts like Grapplers and Zoners and how they work differently in Platform Fighters.
I'd say Little Mac has mobility. Sure, he can't jump or leave the ground, but when he's on the ground he's pretty quick
Im honestly happy there's a section for the smash 4 custom moves. I still remember meeting up with the boys in the morning before we had to go to our classes breaking out our 3DS & going to town. I'd always dominate with with warlock blade & chain Letting me just overwhelm everyone with pure power....
Man I wish custom moves were still a thing in ultimate
blame the "professionals" that cry when they can't control every little thing.
We were promised it,so why didn't we expect it?
I don't know why "you needed to turn off all your electronics just to find out if he was in the GAME" made me cackle the way it did but it did and I just wanted to let you know that.
The main thing I remember about Ganondorf in melee is how satisfying it was to actually land a big hit with him
I’m glad you censored that bit at the very end, I’m not sure if I was ready for a massacre like that
Ganondorf is my secondary, but I'd give it up to have a more inspired moveset
25:16 How dare you misrepresent your fans in such a manner, Jack. I'll have you know I used the "G" block to spell GEX.
Ganondorf in Smash is a complete opposite of how he is in his series. He's a major threat in the Zelda series, but is consistently one of the worst characters in Smash. Ganondorf fights with magic or swords in the Zelda series, but with his fists in Smash. He's the character that desperately needs a moveset overhaul the most since it doesn't accurately represent Ganondorf and it isn't a unique moveset. They could just add Black Shadow and give him Ganondorf's current moveset if they didn't want to completely remove his moveset entirely.
Ganondorf has the Triforce of power, so how do you make Ganondorf powerful without making him overpowered???? Sakurai felt that this was the only way.
@@orangeslash1667 That's the dumbest excuse I've ever heard
@@SonicTheCutehog Sakurai usually simplifies a character if they might have too much potential. A good example is Pit having some references to Uprising but not too much.
While Ganon is build up as a threat in the Zelda series, his boss fights are not that challenging compared to Bowser and K Rool. Ganon is Smash kinda faithful to his boss fights in that he is predicable and very exploitable.
Also Sakurai confirmed that Ganon was never planned to be in Smash at all and was put in at the last minute ua-cam.com/video/k6yBinvPWpk/v-deo.html.
@@orangeslash1667 That argument is blown out of the water due to characters like Steve and isn't the reason why Ganondorf is the way he is. He was a very last-minute addition to Melee, which meant he couldn't have a unique moveset. They took his model from the SpaceWorld 2000 GameCube Zelda tech demo due to these time constraints. Ganondorf's model happened to match Captain Falcon's skeleton, so they made him a Falcon clone. Later games would differentiate him slightly more, but would still be close to Captain Falcon due to not wanting to alienate players who liked his old moveset. If Ganondorf was added in Brawl or a later Smash game, he wouldn't be anything like he is now.
@@SonicTheCutehog Steve is not an over powered character in Mine craft.
Characters like Sephiroth and Zelda can use spells because their so lightweight. Giving a bulky character like Ganon spells would be broken. Unlike Sephiroth where it makes sense to make him lightweight. I can't think of a reason how Ganon being lightweight would fit his character????Especially when dead mans Volley is not that great of a spell compared to Dins fire.
There is good news Ganon does have an advantage against Pikachu, Plautanea, and Incineroar. Wizards foot can go though projectiles like T Jolt and Flame coke can negate Plautanea's and Incineroar's Down B.
Most importantly is that Ganon is so much fun in double battles, because it's easy for anyone to make a mistake and Ganon's high defense lets him endure enough for his friend to help out.
Honestly, Ganondorf being expected to start already winning and stay winning makes sense with his appearances in the Zelda games. He usually starts out as the unstoppable king of evil who Link spends the whole game gaining ground against.
Like in OoT, after you get the master sword… he’s won. His plan worked and he’s ruled Hyrule for seven years. You spend the rest of the game trying to undo his victory.
Bit of a rant but I just thought it was kind of neat.
I thought the History of Ganondorf in Smash Brothers was just a small joke, but I am so happy to see it here! He was actually one of my favorites by the time Smash Ultimate came around and they had nerfed my previous main of Little Mac
"I MAIN GANONDORF AND THATS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY"
Lowtiergod described in 8 words
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
"And then the vroom-vroom man showed up." I love that line so damn much.
I personally main Random because he has the best variety of play styles.
Finally. I've been waiting since that one episode for this episode to come out.
every day i mourn the fact we didn't get ultimate ganon's new moveset with Wizard's Dropkick + Dark Fists + Flame Chain (or keep Choke). Would have been the perfect version of him mechanically...
Weird comparison, But by the sound of it, Ganondorf is the Smash equivalent of the Orks from Warhammer 40k.
Unga-Bunga tactics, (One of the best tactics for an Ork player is literally fill your side with low cost units and pretty much drown the enemy.) Skills that basically mean you are either winning hard or losing hard (Thanks to attributes unique to Orks, The roll of the dice can either increase their damage, Or straight up kill themselves or each other. This means you can start dominating early on, Only for everything to start falling apart at the drop of a hat, And vice versa.) And the fact that out of everyone, They seem to be the most fun group over all. (Thanks to previously mentioned quirks.)
As a Ganon main since Brawl, this video felt really cathartic to watch.
At the time of the writing of this comment they just released the first official tier list for Ultimate and surprise Ganondorf is at the very bottom right next to Little Mac.
Not a great designed character and they could modify his kick to be better but he's not meant to be 'on meta' just slow and powerful. If they cared about balancing then maybe add some features Captain Falcon never had but who has the speed to back up his heavy hits while Ganon is made slower, more powerful, but now doesn't have any way to make an approach. Smash really shouldnt be taken too seriously, odd to hear on a talk of competitive viability but most characters should be fun first and then see what the fanbase makes of them in no-items matches
Bumbles making a documentary about Ganondorf and why he mains him while I’m just sitting in the corner as an Incin and Puff main
Heya Bumbles, as a Ganon player I just wanted to say this was a great video! But I also wanted to ask if you've ever tried Project M's take on Ganondorf? Truly feels like the best of both worlds to me but funnily enough even then is still at best mid tier. Despite this, he's considerably more viable (mainly in part due to PM not really having any "bad" characters) and he has a lot of cool new tools, options, and references that I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts about.