Just rewatched this after a few years. The 4MT needs renagnetising or a new magnet. If you fit a Super Neo magnet, it will zoom along and draw less current!😂
Hi Lawrie. Fantastic video, Dublo really is a fantastic toy, some of their models I find even more fascinating than the modern super detail stuff ngl. Unfortunately my 3-rail track is all packed up in a box for now and locos in a glass cabinet in my room. Btw, If you're finding your locos seems to be struggling it may be worth looking into either re-energizing or even replacing the motor magnets as they do loose their pull over time and so the motor becomes really weak and pron to burning out too.
Laurie. The Triang controller you used is a half wave controller. If you use a proper full wave controller the motors will run quieter and smoother. The 4mt needs a new/renagnetised magnet🧲 I gave replaced all mine with Super Neo magnets. The performance is better than they ever were!!! 60+ years old and still going. Super Mecanno (Binns Road, Liverpool...SCOUSE!!!) QUALITY. Serviced with new magnets, they will run better and another 60 years!!!!
Hi, I've also used neo magnets. You can get a lot more power out of the engines with them, but you have to make sure you don't run them at full speed. I've heard that the spindles on the armatures can wear out, don't know how true that is though. Another alternative is if you have a large number of engines then there's a 00 guy named Ronald Dodd who sells dublo remagnetizers. It will re mag most engines with the magnet still in the motor. 👍
MichaelJohnson3396. I have never heard of one Dublo armature spindle wearing out. If they are well lubtricated they will run for decades. If armatures burn out, they are usually rewound on the same spindle.
I don't think even Frank Hornby himself thought his designs would last so long. Mine have all been converted to 2-rail now but examples such as the West Country Barnstable/Dorchester, once serviced, will even run as well and double head with the Hornby versions of the 2000s. Mine are all running fine although I use Gaugemaster controllers!
If you want this to work better, I have two suggestions. The best thing to do would be to have two controllers on opposite ends of the circuit to help top up the voltage. Alternatively, it would be a significant improvement if you put the controller in the middle of the strait segment and ran a wire with alligator clips across the narrow middle to power both sides better. edit: or if you have a crossover, doing a figure 8 with extended loops and powering it near the crossover
Its great seeing these old Dublo loco's running. I really need to get some of my dads old Dublo loco's working as he has quite a few including two N2's, a Castle class loco, a A4, One of The Duchess Class loco's and I think there is a Stanier tank engine like yours. I will need a motor for the one N2's as its completely missing and repair the valve gear on the A4 Sir Nigel Gresley (thats the one I really want to see running). I have now got the Ideal tool to help me test the Dublo loco's, my small collection of Triang loco's and all of the much more modern 00 gauge loco's in the form of a rolling road from DCC concepts (the 10 axle premium version). Even thought they aren't cheap I have found it a ideal test piece of equipment especially before and after a service on a loco.
Loved it. Think I’ll get my 3-rail out this weekend. I’m getting OO withdrawal symptoms. Model railways are a bit like malaria or drug addiction. You think you’ve got over them having not had any exposure for years, then suddenly you get a relapse…
PS, I did get out my 3-rail that week-end, and guess what ? It was a relapse. I now have a fully working 3-rail layout and have acquired a considérable number of « new » locomotives and items of rolling stock and track. Oh dear, it’s all your fault Lawrie.
Missed a lot of your stuff lately so catching up now, I have been making a lot of slate wagons for the garden railway instead of watching you. I do have a lot of my dad's Dublo in the railway shed but I have not set it up for years! I might just try it out. That was awesome by the way I really enjoyed watching this.
There's nothing quite like laying all your track in one layout and then sending your locomotives around it! It really shows how yell your locos can run and how well your track is. Do you think you can make the longest freight train possible on this largest oval possible? Even if you have to doublehead locomotives.
The Black N2 needs the motor bearing adjusting. The Green one might need a new armature or magnet! And a Full-Wave controller; the half wave one will destroy your locos. I makes them run hot and melts the insulation on the armatures!!!
If you keep using the 4MT as it is, and on half wave, it will burn out. Would love to see a video of you changing it for a Super Neo one. Packs of the right size work out much cheaper than just buying one! John Harrison. Wallasey.
I feel like the next step is instead of a super long loop You make a small loop but with a yard and that type of stuff Pretty much make the next layout a complicated one
Dublo has an advantage with things like reverse loops (much explained when Hornby went to 2 rail - and I presume triang did with theirs two when they launched the (often now bent) acetate etc track.
the problem with loose lay is you have to take it up again. most folk dont have space BUT if you can find a large table for the shop ADD an additional top to it with clearance , create a board for most of the track a little smaller and place sheet plastic between the top and lower section of the new table (one side removable) create from your track the best out and back with as many loops as you can ( obv not all locos will do the tighter curves , basically see how you can move around the length of track into the best rectangular space. Having it on a board , but stored under a table enables movement to exhibitions. alternatively if one board too difficult to move it is sections for the peripheral loops that need a removable connection accross the track joins which is doable, with a smaller inner square for the sidings bits.
@@lmm stick some silica gel bags around if it can be reasonable enclosed, a de-humidifier will help the shed and make any heating more efficient as its cheaper to heat dry rather than damp air.
I have quite a lot of ez track for modern OO. Something like 25m of straights. It's all rather portable, so if you want to run some modern stuff some time drop me a pm. It can take DCC and DC supplies.
16:58 but 17:50 for the specific moment being referenced. I don't know why, but I quite enjoyed the second coach detaching itself out of focus in the distance. :) Edit; Given its age, and the recent resurgence of the pastime, I guess it decided to throwback to British Leyland with a little strike half way around. :)
easy with three rail centre to centre outer pair and outer pair. ( trix twin I think takes power from specific outer rails , and with overhead adds even more
If the models have never been re-magnetised, it's likely that you'd see a big difference after doing this - the motor permanent magnets do degrade with time (raising the current draw, and motor heating), and given the age of these - that's a lot of time! Still, the quality of the equipment Meccano produced is shown here - I don't know if stuff produced now will do this in 60 years time!
Been collecting dublo 3 rail most of my long life , there is something about these fabulous models from meccano they are very special, thanks for your interesting video
I have a boss given to saying "That sounds like a plan." And I repy: "Many things do until you actually try to do them." That said I am more a glass mostly full kind of guy. At thus rate you are going to be challenging James May, but with much older equipment (the trains. Not you.) Try adding a second power track to your loop. And I care.
Here is the link I promised about Miniature Wunderland! ua-cam.com/video/ACkmg3Y64_s/v-deo.html You will have to go....Open all year. Myself and friends (including my wife who has to put up with trains) have been 3 times now and each time we go, they gave built even more. The last time we went, they had built Italy!!! The Vatican, Trevi Fountain, and the Colosseum. There is a full working Airport, a volcano, working cars, a Fyord with docks and ships, and much more!!!
If this was a proper layout of this length power droppers would have been placed in atleast 2 other locations to provide power delivery. I do not think even a new loco would fare any better with the track being so poorly powered
@@lmm Please no explosives... But running trains on a oval? Thats not new. Would be interesting if a Mamod-steamer can run a 00 Gauge Train, via a generator? That would be interesting or not ?
Just rewatched this after a few years. The 4MT needs renagnetising or a new magnet. If you fit a Super Neo magnet, it will zoom along and draw less current!😂
You’ve just completed near every child’s dream.
I did rather enjoy it!
Hi Lawrie. Fantastic video, Dublo really is a fantastic toy, some of their models I find even more fascinating than the modern super detail stuff ngl. Unfortunately my 3-rail track is all packed up in a box for now and locos in a glass cabinet in my room.
Btw, If you're finding your locos seems to be struggling it may be worth looking into either re-energizing or even replacing the motor magnets as they do loose their pull over time and so the motor becomes really weak and pron to burning out too.
I was thinking of replacing them with neo magnets
Laurie. The Triang controller you used is a half wave controller. If you use a proper full wave controller the motors will run quieter and smoother.
The 4mt needs a new/renagnetised magnet🧲
I gave replaced all mine with Super Neo magnets. The performance is better than they ever were!!!
60+ years old and still going.
Super Mecanno (Binns Road, Liverpool...SCOUSE!!!) QUALITY.
Serviced with new magnets, they will run better and another 60 years!!!!
I've been looking into the neo magnets, but ever thought about the controller!
Hi, I've also used neo magnets. You can get a lot more power out of the engines with them, but you have to make sure you don't run them at full speed. I've heard that the spindles on the armatures can wear out, don't know how true that is though. Another alternative is if you have a large number of engines then there's a 00 guy named Ronald Dodd who sells dublo remagnetizers. It will re mag most engines with the magnet still in the motor. 👍
MichaelJohnson3396.
I have never heard of one Dublo armature spindle wearing out.
If they are well lubtricated they will run for decades. If armatures burn out, they are usually rewound on the same spindle.
If you take the body off the 4MT an stick another magnet on the loco one, and the pulling power increases, this will prove if the magnet is worn out.
I don't think even Frank Hornby himself thought his designs would last so long.
Mine have all been converted to 2-rail now but examples such as the West Country Barnstable/Dorchester, once serviced, will even run as well and double head with the Hornby versions of the 2000s.
Mine are all running fine although I use Gaugemaster controllers!
If you want this to work better, I have two suggestions. The best thing to do would be to have two controllers on opposite ends of the circuit to help top up the voltage. Alternatively, it would be a significant improvement if you put the controller in the middle of the strait segment and ran a wire with alligator clips across the narrow middle to power both sides better.
edit: or if you have a crossover, doing a figure 8 with extended loops and powering it near the crossover
Agree
Two controllers can interfere with each other, but certainly putting it in the middle and feeding both sides would have helped!
Thanks Lawrie, thought you'd get the mini grinder out to whizz over those rails?! Time to fence off that part of the shed for your 'Dublo'! 🙏🙏
I wish I could, its so damp in there that it would corrode too quickly
Its great seeing these old Dublo loco's running. I really need to get some of my dads old Dublo loco's working as he has quite a few including two N2's, a Castle class loco, a A4, One of The Duchess Class loco's and I think there is a Stanier tank engine like yours. I will need a motor for the one N2's as its completely missing and repair the valve gear on the A4 Sir Nigel Gresley (thats the one I really want to see running). I have now got the Ideal tool to help me test the Dublo loco's, my small collection of Triang loco's and all of the much more modern 00 gauge loco's in the form of a rolling road from DCC concepts (the 10 axle premium version). Even thought they aren't cheap I have found it a ideal test piece of equipment especially before and after a service on a loco.
That's super. Dublo has a real charm to it. I love her really enjoy seeing it work
Loved it. Think I’ll get my 3-rail out this weekend. I’m getting OO withdrawal symptoms.
Model railways are a bit like malaria or drug addiction. You think you’ve got over them having not had any exposure for years, then suddenly you get a relapse…
I know that feeling!
Three rail has a real charm to it
PS, I did get out my 3-rail that week-end, and guess what ? It was a relapse. I now have a fully working 3-rail layout and have acquired a considérable number of « new » locomotives and items of rolling stock and track. Oh dear, it’s all your fault Lawrie.
Looks like the old 4MT just needed a bit of exercise!!!
Yeah! I was amazed
Missed a lot of your stuff lately so catching up now, I have been making a lot of slate wagons for the garden railway instead of watching you. I do have a lot of my dad's Dublo in the railway shed but I have not set it up for years! I might just try it out. That was awesome by the way I really enjoyed watching this.
Glad you're now catching up!
Cool layout !
Thank you!
Get yourself a Ronald Dodd remagnetizer! Great video you don't see many videos of Trix engines. Thanks!
There's nothing quite like laying all your track in one layout and then sending your locomotives around it! It really shows how yell your locos can run and how well your track is.
Do you think you can make the longest freight train possible on this largest oval possible? Even if you have to doublehead locomotives.
If I replaced the magnets on the locos yes, they're all between 60 and 70 years old and don't pull what they used to!
@@lmm sounds like my family
'Where's your other coach gone?' 17:45. Who could watch two straights and two turns for 18 minutes, if it wasn't creative and interesting.
Well I assume that wunderland has ya beat on that 😁👍
Dublo always worked!!!
Cleaning the track is easy, just use one of your locos to drag or push an abrasive around the layout.
Ian Dee.
Great video but when you said Big i thought you might go James May Big Lol. Still loved it!
I might need some more track!
If you ever try this in america, it would be awesome to see a lionel o gauge layout constructed like this
The Black N2 needs the motor bearing adjusting. The Green one might need a new armature or magnet! And a Full-Wave controller; the half wave one will destroy your locos. I makes them run hot and melts the insulation on the armatures!!!
You need a Full Wave controller you, instead of the Tri-ang Half-Wave controller.
H&M CLIPPER or SAFETY MINOR were superb!!!
lol , i can almost smell the oil , dust & hot motor
If you keep using the 4MT as it is, and on half wave, it will burn out.
Would love to see a video of you changing it for a Super Neo one. Packs of the right size work out much cheaper than just buying one!
John Harrison. Wallasey.
Where do you get a pack from - had a look on ebay and they were mostly single
I feel like the next step is instead of a super long loop
You make a small loop but with a yard and that type of stuff
Pretty much make the next layout a complicated one
Good plan!
funny this pops up not long after i watched james may try and set the world record for a model train video on youtube.
Dublo has an advantage with things like reverse loops (much explained when Hornby went to 2 rail - and I presume triang did with theirs two when they launched the (often now bent) acetate etc track.
I love the fact dublo allows for return loops!
Looks like your 4MT needs a re-mag old son!
the problem with loose lay is you have to take it up again. most folk dont have space BUT if you can find a large table for the shop ADD an additional top to it with clearance , create a board for most of the track a little smaller and place sheet plastic between the top and lower section of the new table (one side removable) create from your track the best out and back with as many loops as you can ( obv not all locos will do the tighter curves , basically see how you can move around the length of track into the best rectangular space. Having it on a board , but stored under a table enables movement to exhibitions. alternatively if one board too difficult to move it is sections for the peripheral loops that need a removable connection accross the track joins which is doable, with a smaller inner square for the sidings bits.
The problem is I don't have space at home and The Shed is damp, so the track would corrode very quickly.
@@lmm stick some silica gel bags around if it can be reasonable enclosed, a de-humidifier will help the shed and make any heating more efficient as its cheaper to heat dry rather than damp air.
@@highpath4776
The Shed sadly is not fully sealed. It is cold and damp, and would cripple me financially to try and heat it!
@@lmm always a problem if you are renting, there is no incentive to make improvements as the rate of return is not enough for the savings or comfort
@@highpath4776 pretty much!
I have quite a lot of ez track for modern OO. Something like 25m of straights. It's all rather portable, so if you want to run some modern stuff some time drop me a pm. It can take DCC and DC supplies.
Oh that's the raised stuff isn't it! That would be better!
Any good articles in the newspapers?
Some yes
16:58 but 17:50 for the specific moment being referenced. I don't know why, but I quite enjoyed the second coach detaching itself out of focus in the distance. :)
Edit; Given its age, and the recent resurgence of the pastime, I guess it decided to throwback to British Leyland with a little strike half way around. :)
It had run so well previously too!
Lawrie, did you buy the track layout I told you about the other day?
I did not, I don't have any space for it sadly
next Lawrie turns a pocket rocket into a f1 car
I reckon the 4MT just needs a remag, but one year on you probably know that by now… also clean the tabs and fishplates…
Yes it does!
Just run a pair of wires from your present connection to a connection track at the other end of your loop, but make sure not to reverse the polarity.
Yes, that would help!
easy with three rail centre to centre outer pair and outer pair. ( trix twin I think takes power from specific outer rails , and with overhead adds even more
If the models have never been re-magnetised, it's likely that you'd see a big difference after doing this - the motor permanent magnets do degrade with time (raising the current draw, and motor heating), and given the age of these - that's a lot of time! Still, the quality of the equipment Meccano produced is shown here - I don't know if stuff produced now will do this in 60 years time!
I have often wondered that too - especially stuff that's been unloved and uncared for in the way some dublo is!
Been collecting dublo 3 rail most of my long life , there is something about these fabulous models from meccano they are very special, thanks for your interesting video
I have a boss given to saying "That sounds like a plan." And I repy: "Many things do until you actually try to do them." That said I am more a glass mostly full kind of guy.
At thus rate you are going to be challenging James May, but with much older equipment (the trains. Not you.) Try adding a second power track to your loop. And I care.
More power would certainly help, or perhaps more feeds in
I use DCC so the system works with 15 volts
Much better isn't it really
Could you do this again but perhaps with your normal 00 gauge?
I guess I could. I need more track 😂
@@lmm I think I have a massive box of it somewhere - dont know how accessible, if you want three hours of tri-ang super 4 rust removing.
Haven't you fitted a Super Neo magnet to that loco yet?????
No, not yet.
Here is the link I promised about Miniature Wunderland!
ua-cam.com/video/ACkmg3Y64_s/v-deo.html
You will have to go....Open all year.
Myself and friends (including my wife who has to put up with trains) have been 3 times now and each time we go, they gave built even more. The last time we went, they had built Italy!!!
The Vatican, Trevi Fountain, and the Colosseum. There is a full working Airport, a volcano, working cars, a Fyord with docks and ships, and much more!!!
ua-cam.com/video/R669l5CA1YA/v-deo.html
Laurie. Did you follow up on the magnet addresses I sent you???
Just listen to the intro song..and then listen to medicine jar by Paul McCartney
I hadn't noticed!
@@lmm it's the same lol
Why does it say doublo instead of double "O" ?
Because this is Hornby Dublo.
That's was how they branded their oo, when oo was brand new.
Trade names for Meccano:
Hornby Dublo (00 British outline), and
Hornby Acho (HO Continental outline).
If this was a proper layout of this length power droppers would have been placed in atleast 2 other locations to provide power delivery. I do not think even a new loco would fare any better with the track being so poorly powered
A modern Loco would cope alot better, track conducts better and they require less power.
Look how well the trix engine ran
18 metres = A scale 1.2 mile circuit in OO.
That's pretty impressive actually
First
Good show
Well its a boring video, I must say.
Sorry its not to your taste.
I'll throw some explosives in next time.
@@lmm Please no explosives... But running trains on a oval? Thats not new. Would be interesting if a Mamod-steamer can run a 00 Gauge Train, via a generator? That would be interesting or not ?