The problems with alot of these veiws is that people think that those negative traits are masculine, but masculinity is having control and discipline over those traits.
I (being a woman myself) have seen this type of discussion many times: women asking/demanding understanding while not willing to understand men in return. Also, In certain communities they are the ones who raise these supposedly violent males.
It's been shown through irrefutable data that men in single mother homes, have an almost guarantee to do worse in school and possibly end up in prison. Because the father wasn't in the picture. Overall, children do way better in life having both parents in their lives. A father is just as important as a mother.
@@coeus1587 And why do you have men raised by single mothers that aren't raised correctly and end up being one of the worst people in society? And why weren't the fathers in the life of some men that were boys? Because the mother and father and their selfish pride and egos. The mother wanted to dismantle the family by choosing not to ride and die with the dudes they're with and to be ignorant by thinking that they could be both mother and father to the child when that's impossible. And the father for not thinking about the welfare of the child and the effects kids can have when a dad is not in their lives. Psychologically when children are robbed of being given a proper raising structure by both mothers and fathers, they turn out to be such screwed up individuals. That's why you have the young generation that have no respect for authority.
@@MasteRgamer-mk5bp it’s okay for men to be whatever they want to be. We only have one life and I hope everyone lives it in a way that makes them happy. We all deserve to be happy after all.
Jokes in a 'male-space' are harmful, but chicks gossiping and talking trash behind backs is constructive... Huh. I thought it was just about the genders bonding and a way to let off steam without resorting to confrontations... Learn something new everyday. Thanks, feminists!
That IS EXACTLY what I said to someone else on this thread. We should NOT be policing mens conversations in their private spaces!!! As women are JUST as rude and crude in how they talk about men!!!!!
Also, "jokes that are harmful..." I fail to see what the harm is if it's in a "male-space." She just doesn't like the idea of it going on behind her back either lol
@Ryan king No, I don't see harm for men or women to have talks amongst themselves. But I will say that if the talk is derogatory toward a female, those with lesser "true men" / leader qualities, may tend to believe this talk is the gospel and may act in a toxic or harmful way to that female not believing anything is wrong with that behavior. The same could be said of women, but in most cases, women are not usually physically aggressive and therefore pose no or rarely any threat. Having said that, people who do that cannot be said to be "all men," and should not be grouped with other men who do not behave that way. Those individuals need help. I grew up in a time where men said and did crude things to women all the time. Looking back on it, some of it was really not ok, but I don't think they were men..just boys pretending to be what they perceived a man to be. Those situations taught us women how to protect ourselves and be really good at comebacks. Lol.
@@kristyshortridge4968 "women are not usually physically aggressive" is a massive misconception. Women are just as aggressive and violent as men are. The difference is people tend to suppress their violent tendencies unless theyre either at a breaking point or feel as though they can get away with it. For example, women are the perpetrators of domestic violence roughly as often as men are, the reason being that those women know they can get away with being violent towards their spouse (for a multitude of reasons).
There's nothing wrong with men being masculine. It's natural, necessary, and quite frankly, my favorite thing about men, that they're not women. You can be an abusive asshole no matter what gender you belong to. We need more conversations like these in order to correct the disconnect between the sexes.
You guys are great. I have enjoyed watching. I think she's referring to the fact that tampons and pads are taxed as a luxury item instead of a medical necessity.
That's because women allow that. A man buy with his money, women buy with others money. Yeah, I know there are 2 o 3 girls that buy with her own money, but the majority buy with other money.
The question then becomes what's different about other medical necessities that are taxed? Toothbrushes, etc. As Brock said, things need to get paid for somehow. In a perfect world tampons and other medical necessities wouldn't be taxed but it's just not financially feasible. And we can't just do tampons and nothing else.
Why aren't they using cups/discs/washable menstrual underwear? If money's the problem, you'll save LOADS by switching to reusable menstrual products. Somehow that never comes up in these conversations 😮💨🙄
_“All arguments from men are coming from a place of hurt”_ : proceeds to get angry telling anecdotal stories of men treating her poorly 🙄😴 she’s a lost woman for real.
"I didn't come with a list, my dude.." now if he said, "I didn't come with a list, chick" she would have felt some kind of way lol but yeah, he didn't ask for a list he asked for ONE and if she couldn't name even one, then she doesn't *know* those organizations exists... she THINKS or ASSUMES they do. They don't
I worked in roofing a long time myself. Along with being a Carpenter, and log cabin builder for about 25 years. I would not say that the reason women don't usually find that kind of work suitable is because of some modern invention people who don't work endlessly postulate about. Not everyone is built for the same job, or the consequences and requirements that come with them. And that's okay. Everybody's different and able to do different things. That said. I find it entirely ridiculous that people who have no real life experience are telling the rest of the world what they're allowed to think, say, and do. While never having to walk a day in my shoes. Or everyone else they talk down to for that matter.
probably cuz as a woman working in a male dominated environment can feel uninviting. you’re instantly judged and not everyone is prepared for that. I think it’s best to try and stick it out to prove others wrong, but sometimes people get bothered by those sorts of things and end up quitting
The fella on back right nailed it. Nothing can ever be truly equal. There are way too many variables. And every time we try to correct, we over correct. He basically just said everything is a hierarchy. And it's true. Doesn't mean we shouldn't all aspire to walk in love. Love is what makes things work. You don't weaponize strength and power over women or kids. You walk in love and protect them.
Love? Huh, what a joke! Love is a tool to cheat people in my opinion. Meaning that not everyone is tolerant and accepting of people from all walks of life. Many people don't see average imperfect unattractive people as perfect looking human beings. Therefore according to attractive people, people that are average looking should be hated on, reviled, despised, and bullied to death because they don't live up to the expectations and standards of others. What's the sense in average imperfect unattractive people trying to find love when many despise and hate them so much that they would wish unattractive imperfect average people dead? It's certainly why I gave up on trying to find love. And me having the most positive attitude and self confidence wouldn't draw the attention to even the most so called "friendly" people on the planet. And no I'm not looking in the supposed "wrong places" to find love. There is no such thing as "the wrong place". Everybody is everywhere these days. It's just that they always look for a perfect looking attractive person to be social with out of having a sexual preference. Having a sexual preference in my opinion is another way for people to be naturally biased and prejudiced towards average people. So, no point in trying to find love. I would preferably be single, miserable, sad, angry, and alone beating my meat to porn than live another day being mentally and emotionally hurt and unnecessarily and unconstitutionally rejected by women. It maybe a pathetic way to live life, but when all else fails, I really have no choice. I'm not gonna live life not ever knowing what sex feels like. Fuck all that!
Thank you for this comment. I saw a quote some time ago that said humans can never truly accept their inequality, so they strive to achieve equality their entire lives even though it might not be possible in certain cases. And like you said in trying to do that, they tend to overcorrect or just come back full circle to the problem.
Jubilee really did their casting and editing well to prove their point. They got a female author, grad student, and, “pet health industry” worker, and matched them with a self proclaimed incel UA-camr, a guy that’s only credentials are being 24 and being a men’s righ activist and then the only seemingly competent debater the phd student title 9 specialist on gets about a minute and a half of screen time in the first 20 minutes and instead give the incel the most time
I just want to say thank you!!! You give me hope for the future that people can come together and actually listen to each other. I came across your channel quite by accident, but I watch regularly. Please keep your open minds.
I love how much you all bring your personal experiences in education into your conversations. It truly shows how much you really appreciate everything you have learned in school and use it to connect with what you all are currently learning from these videos. It shows that education is a life long experience and we need more channels like this on UA-cam. Especially from the demographic you all come from.
Y'all are right, we're all equal in importance but many aspects of our lives are very different, as they should be. I wouldn't have wanted my late husband to act feminine. He was what my generation called a macho man, and I whole heartedly approved or I wouldn't have married him. I felt safe with him and I felt important in our lives together. He never made me feel less than his equal but we both knew there were tasks for him to handle and tasks for me to handle. We both worked full time, we both took care of household chores, though we did agree his chores were outside, mine were inside. We raised our 3 sons together, equally contributing to their needs in different ways. It made our world very pleasant. It's refreshing to hear young men have a conversation about this topic. Y'all seem to have your heads on straight!
So what's the moral of your story? I have a relationship with a 8cm shorter man than me because of operated legs, in case of defense I got the black belt. And same as your relationship: equality, love, respect for almost 10 years.
@@nflorencem So what's the moral of your story? Both sound the same except yours is written with venom, not contempt Were you angry that you needed to contribute to what you seem to be resentful about for having to cover for your partner ?
@@gbh5912 moral of the story both should be the same but its not. You have a easy way to turn peoples words into your favour and provoce with your arrogance. Wich is more annoying than provocative. I'm not ok that we get venom because we dont look 'normal'. Im not ok that my partner is getting treated less of a male because of an adnrogynous appearance and shorter size. I'm not ok that other men try to touch and hit on me in front of my partner because they think he cant defent me anyway. I'm not ok that we get venom and hate for stupid point of views of how a normal man and a woman should be and should look like.
@@nflorencem But life is not supposed to be the same for everyone, you should never expect anything then you'll never feel disappointment because we often mentally set ourselves up with so many fabricated expectations of how our lives will be, which as your story states things change and often very quickly and none of us know what tomorrow could bring Truth often can appear as arrogance because one can't argue against truth Best wishes
@@gbh5912 It's not what a person is transmitting it's about the how that makes an arrogant appearence. Doesn't exclude your point. There are many ways to appear arrogant. From time to time I feel anger when memories of physical harassment are coming up. Thanks for your answer, and I agree that life is not supposed to be the same for everyone. I usually dont expect (try my best not to) because too much is possible. best wisches to you, too
I’m an electrician, our company has hired 3 women in the time I’ve been with company. They’re all gone now, they stuck around for some months but they always got the easier and less physically demanding jobs
Well.. good that you at least hired women… but also.. I cannot imagine men going through childbirth… passing 7-8 lbs through a tiny opening stretched and ripped open.. ok.. the human race would not exist
Uh... you just got some weak women. I know several women that work in construction... they also bench over 150, and don't have any issues with the heavy work. They're definitely outliers though. It would be better if we actually learned weight training in school, it would certainly help women be more competent physically. If that's something they choose to pursue.
Did she tell him he doesn't have any female friends because he doesn't view them as equal? I think it's the opposite, I think Derrick feels inadequate and, as he stated, weak because he didn't have a male role-model. She thought she had him pegged, but honestly, he's just too timid and weak to approach women, most likely.
@CRAZIERBIRD doesn't help that these women seemed to be making emotional arguments rather than logical arguments. Almost like, well.... most children lol but tbf they had to acknowledge biological differences in men and women, such as strength and if we're honest, mens ability to assess threats. Of course you could compare women to literally anything that you feel a need to protect, such as our children. Its not insulting unless he compares their intellect, tbh.
@@rynecology I actually thought Bea was very logical and she seemed like she went there to gain some perspective. Yes some of them got emotional at points but so did Derrick, as long as the conversation stays on track and everyone still gets to speak I really don't see much wrong with that. I didn't grow up with a dad either but at some point you have to realise you're an adult now and work through your own issues instead of saying society needs to change back to what it was
@@rynecology you can spin it anyway you want, if he's making the comparison of grown women and children I still completely understand why a woman wouldn't want to be around that
I guess I’m more of a traditionalist. I want my man to be strong and to exude strength and confidence. I like feeling like I have someone I can lean/rely on. It helps me keep my composure better too. It would do no good to have two freaked out, overly emotional people “in the boat”. 🤷🏻♀️
I would love you guys to do more Jubilee style episodes where current topic questions are asked and you guys give your personal perspective. I love watching them on Amala Ekpunobi's show and love open debate rather than us all being so afraid to be candid.
What a whole lotta stuff that you'll be relieved to hear I'm not going to ramble on about! 😅 I just want to say that I know so many amazing fathers who love and nurture their children with all their hearts. I know single fathers who had to raise their children on their own and did fantastic jobs. I think it depends on the individual not the sex. One of the things I love about the Cartier Family is your big hearts. I wouldn't want you to think that your ability to love children is limited by your biology. ❤
They brought on the worst example of feminist argument! As a woman my greatest concern in this world is not tax on tampons! It is in the choices available to me. In some countries around the world a woman cannot have a drivers licence, a bank account, a college education or leave her home without a male relative accompanying her. This is what feminism should be about: offering women the right to their choices. And not at the expense of anyone else.. Same token: men have the right to be as masculine as they wish, whatever and however they describe or define 'masculine'. Again not at the expense of another...if your masculinity is dependent on how much power/intimidation you can exert over someone else, then its toxic.. Great discussion guys! Keep up the good work!
Thank U guys! Always enjoy your videos & Enjoyed this video especially with the conversations, subject matter, etc. I'm a 63 y.o. male who prides himself on having a healthy masculinity which I was raised with by my parents, family, friends, & associates with a very healthy respect for women. As opposed to all the rhetoric about men as a whole with our so called "Toxic Masculinity". This is the definition found for Healthy masculinity: when men flourish first for themselves, then for their families, posterity, and communities. A man embodying healthy masculinity knows who he is. He is physically healthy and strong. He is pursuing and developing his skills and capabilities to make him more competent and able to take action BTW how often do we hear this term What is toxic masculinity today? Toxic masculinity praises men for having multiple sexual partners while expressing disgust at women who do the same. Refusing to help with household duties. Toxic masculinity rejects roles traditionally considered “women's work.” Toxically masculine men often refuse to participate in these household duties. “Both toxic masculinity and femininity are unhealthy as they pressure individuals to fit a mold rather than strive to live and relate to others authentically, as their highest and best selves,” she explains Interestingly I had never heard the term "Toxic Femininity" which I'm sure we have all seen or experienced. Good article written by A female psychologist: www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/toxic-femininity Perhaps you’ve come across the term “toxic masculinity” before. If so, you might know this concept describes the ways society’s gender-based expectations for men can breed unhelpful characteristics and behaviors, including aggression, difficulty expressing emotions, and excessive self-reliance. But psychologists and researchers have also started to consider a similar topic, “toxic femininity.” In a nutshell, this term describes the potentially negative impact of society’s standards for women “Both toxic masculinity and femininity are unhealthy as they pressure individuals to fit a mold rather than strive to live and relate to others authentically, as their highest and best selves,” she explains.
The woman started at saying she don't need a man to protect her but let somebody come and attack her and find out who she runs to, a man or a woman 99.9 percent of the time they will run to a man to protect them
oh come on, when she brings up the locker room talk.... it made me laugh.... Maybe because she is young.... she doesn't realize that women have a version of locker room talk too lol... In fact women can get even more descriptive in sex conversations then a lot of men do. And where I used to work... we used to tell dirty jokes too... men and women. The only time we didn't was if someone said.... if someone didn't like it, they used their adult voices and said... Don't like this... please don't talk like that around me. That was the same with flirting.... Most cases it was harmless fun but when someone had issues over it.... they said so. And then it should stop.... that is how it should be. So long as people speak their mind and others obey their wishes.... there is no toxic trash going on
This is why men hate women; they can't have a conversation with a woman, and they wonder why we don't ever want to talk. There are no toxic men, only radical toxic feminists. Notice how women always invalidate the thoughts and feelings of men and look down on them----this is judgment and toxic feminism. This woman getting touched and her hate for men means nothing in the discrimination against men in the court system, and patriarchy BS is hatred for men.
@@rose.888 Nooo, it's not. He's right. Women have some of the most crude locker-room talk imaginable, if not worse than men. And I've listened to both sides and joined in on both. I have more guy friends than female because I simply don't feel comfortable around women for a lot of reasons.
@@Osiris189 ... They don't objectify you. I have a feeling most don't even know you. As a gender, we objectify each other. I like the burly bearded lumberjack types that will lift me off my feet and carry me fireman style and-- well. :) We all have our biases, our objectification points. Welcome to being a mammalian animal. Get used to it.
The men: men need to be men and women need to be women. The feminist: how dare you have a organized group, how dare you tell women what they should do, men should be and act like…!
Great conversation gentlemen. I think toxic masculinity refers to, especially in the past, men feeling entitled to assume superiority over women - be it in their role as a husband, boyfriend, employee..it refers, to me, to sexist language, anger, many times narcissistic behaviors toward women. Much of that has changed over the decades, and while some of that still happens, it is much less now than in the 70s and 80s. I am an older lady and I can remember some of that behavior, but now, many men are afraid to say Boo to a lady for fear of being labeled toxic. I think many women still want masculine men. I know I do! One issue that still exists is the anger, so if you can't or won't communicate effectively with your lady, find a positive outlet - be it playing sports with the fellas, counseling, or just quiet time to reflect and be calm. Men and women are different for good reason but they are equal in worth. And a heads up. I know you're young, and I'm getting old, but when you find the lady you want to spend the rest of your lives with, she is the one you should be discussing ideas, concerns, etc. with, because as your partner and best friend, she can offer you wisdom and guidance. You are in it together and for her to trust you to lead, she has to be in the conversation. Keep up the conversations. I thoroughly enjoy seeing this generation discuss the issues of the day. Great job!
Toxic masculinity was the feminization of men. It was to Shame men being men. This is right after we paid women to have kids as long as there was no man in the house. Incentivizing it. Then a massive boom in single mothers blossomed. The path to hell is paved by good intentions. Now the average man can't fix stuff around the house, can't change the oil in a car, play games all day and generally are un ambitious compared to the generations before them. Birth rates are collapsing, bridal companies are bankrupting everywhere and Goldman Sachs is investing in cat and dog food for the wave of double income no kids about to come through.
I agree about the job thing . Most men and women have jobs to suit their gender and the pay reflects that . I do construction work ( finish carpentry ) . I’m usually the only female on the job site . I chose this profession because it does pay more and I despise office work . 🤣. But I can’t lift as much of the heavy things men can . That’s why I do the finish carpentry. The fine detail stuff . I simply surround myself with people who are kind and respectful to me . There are kind women and men, and awful women and men . We should all just be good to each other . Period 🥰
@@gbh5912 , Thank you so much! You’re so right. I’m very fortunate that I work with so many respectable and respectful people nearly all men unless the decorators or cleaners come ( I also am the cleaner at times ) . We are all so nice to each other . The men don’t try to sexually harass me either . I’ve had that problem at some jobs . But my boyfriend is the foreman and they all know it . That’s one reason they don’t bother me 🤣. They see me carrying something to heavy and they come and grab it for me . They’re all so chivalrous. I love it .
@@gbh5912 , It also helps that many of the men I work with are Christian Latino men who are family men . I’m not super religious. But what I mean by that is that these men are all truly nice . Many don’t speak English and my Spanish is so so . They respect my boyfriend and me because we make the effort to use google translate to talk to them . And we got a little Spanish learning app we need to use soon . They all call me Jenny , which I think is so cute . They’re always beaming with a smile and say , “ JENNY ! Mucho Gusto ! Como esta ?” when they see me. They brighten my day so much. 🥰
I just want people to be PEOPLE; men or women, we still bleed red, we still breathe the same air, we are still composed of cells… PARENTS need to teach their children better and tell them (whether boy or girl) that their emotions and feelings are normal and that they should be expressive and they should talk to others about those thoughts. Really all of our hang ups in life are based off of how we were raised. It’s a generational curse for so many of us. Let’s do better, and if we have kids, let’s raise them right y’all!!!
I work in counseling; here’s the toxic people I get; (HE) feels superior, controls his wife and children, is a chauvinist, believes it’s fine for men - married too - to womanize and have nude/lust mags/pics, sneaks/has male secrets, makes her take care of all children and rarely helps, doesn’t share. (SHE) constantly nags, uses sex as a weapon, acts how she hates from him - hypocrisy, everything is his fault, will throw punches, uses children as a threat, screams. Toxic means harmful and hurtful words and behaviors. They both are capable. And I’ve said this before, men are not supposed to leave the home and be a bread winner, that’s a money system banker trap handed down. Husband and wife work land, fields, animals, home, children, and community together. We’re both feeling off because we’re not living the way God said; it’s too much pressure to be the only one working or with the children. I get these issues too...people burning out. Good talk. Vid had some good and unhealthy points on each side.
"I don't need you to protect me, just don't harm me." These people are idiots. Evil people exist. They're going to hurt you. You DO need protection. MEN need protection. Smh
@@sydneysomer9958 our boarders exist by men with guns. Our very nation and existence starts there. Men with ideas ready to protect them. Feminism is an idea that cannot protect itself.
@@sydneysomer9958 If we're being honest she probably isnt even able to protect herself against a man smaller than her unless she has some sort of martial arts training.
The instances that the young lady was describing about that occurred to her have nothing to do with Men's advocacy, those actions were and are still illegal.
I think it's pretty cool that as the women sat there and corrected everything the men said, and continue to say " i don't need a man to tell me that this is OK or that is OK", but proceeded to tell these men exactly what is ok and not okay for men to do or how to act.
Men have to be able to talk with other good men about tough issues and know that privacy will be respected and good wisdom/guidance will be returned … iron sharpens iron
If the Mom was driving in a storm with the kids in the car ( your scenario) she wouldn't be apt to be crying either. She would also have to take care of business, and perhaps let her emotions out later. The wages are based on the same jobs too. A man and woman doing the SAME job should be paid equally. They're both office workers, or both nurses, doctors, office cleaners, etc.
@@JyveGod no way to “love and respect” an incel. It’s a gender equivalent of being racist. His entire views revolve around man being superior and women owing sex to them.
This is the classic logical vs. emotional argument. Notice how the men were calm most of the time and the women were losing their minds and not actively listening to the men’s points. Also, notice how Jubilee conveniently edits many of the men’s answers and doesn’t edit the women’s answers nearly as much. Biased much? EDIT: Think about the wage gap myth like this: If a woman makes less money than a man then why aren’t companies hiring all women to further their profit margins? How many male nurses are there? How many female bricklayers are there? Myth debunked.
@@rynecology None of them could back up their claims with specifics all they said were vague statements about the mythical patriarchy and sexism along with using personal anecdotes instead of statistics or broad evidence. If their so tired of being questioned then you should easily answer it on their behalf then right?
@@ShifuCareaga I think it was mostly because they were challenged directly and the often over-used “it’s the patriarchy” “wage gap” and “sexism” arguments didn’t work so they resorted to total emotional responses and thus had no more valid arguments.
Well the men (likely due to past situational social training) did often respond defensively when questioned by that scary calm tone we all know to well... the "it's fine" tone as I like to call it.😅
Toxic masculinity is definitely real. You've all seen it in your own lives. I'm a masculine guy, but the typical "high school football coach" bullshit of men don't cry, men fight instead of talk, etc. That shit makes all of us look bad.
That's called weakness bro , toxic masculinity is made up . Weakness is when you're wrong but you don't aknowledge that and keep going off on your delusions . We absolutely need masculinity , and sometimes masculinity is harsh. And as i said fighting is not necessarily "masculine" but it is when used rightfully . Therefore what you're implying is that your coach is using toxic masculinity which is a made up term . Call him weak instead , so there isn't any confusion between masculinity which is necessary as THE most important people and conquerors on this earth used it to an extreme , that's why they were great . So , no. Toxic masculinity is not real . Plus the term started existing exactly when the feminist movement really started washing brains in the modern era .Coincidence ? Maybe but highly unlikely.
I believe you are looking at this all wrong. It's not about how it feels to be a man or woman, it's about how one person should treat another person despite any differences between them. These women are saying that men have been mistreating them and these men refuse to accept that men's opinions on how they should "act/feel" as a man are why these women are being mistreated. The men feel that "this is how I'm supposed to act so I'm going to whether I'm correct or not". The women expressed how they don't want to be or feel invalidated and it literally ended with the guy invalidating their opinions. Whoever said "you have to act this way" to be a man is outdated! When it's an uncivilized environment, those traits and qualities were valued and respected in men. We now have grown up and evolved into civilization, and have laws, and rights. It's something we all agreed to do so we stop killing ourselves and eachother for survival. Men need to grow up and stop thinking "I need to be this way and start thinking about how we can continue to grow as a society. I think it starts by listening to your neighbors (aka women) instead of invalidating them. Men get the short end of the stick in a lot of ways but it's mainly because their history has put them there.
Why the heavy focus on men though. How are you going to say its outdated to say "men should/shouldnt act this way" yet when women say that men should/shouldnt act a certain way its suddenly a valid opinion.
Ok, Concerning the tampons: you have to pay for them because SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR CREATED THEM, SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR DELIVERED THEM TO THE STORE WHERE YOU PURCHASED THEM, SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR STOCKED THEM ON THE SHELVED AND SOLD THEM TO YOU! WHEN YOU ASK FOR "FREE" TAMPONS, YOU ARE ASKING FOR SLAVE LABOR.
As a man ,we still are expected to take care of the family financially and be the leading bread winner for the family..... We gain value only if we bring something to the table.
tbh this is a difficult a difficult conversation and also why people aren't as much in relationships or at least for long times. because compared to before everything is much more expensive and it's barely enough anymore if only one person at the family gets the "bread".
Not showing every emotion is ok and it’s not toxic. Imagine working a fast food job and a fully bearded big man shrieked or teary eyed every time he got burned or had his nail cracked or got mouthed off too by a customer something and 1 by 1 everybody in the kitchen going up to him like “omg I’m so sorry, are you okay that’s terrible, I feel for you, that should never happen”
5:46 beautiful way to say it we need each other!! 6:12 this young woman is head strong for the wrong reasons! Why would you not want to to be protected???
I’m a mom to a boy, I never want him to be treated lesser than a girl because men in the past were a-holes or whatever. I was born in a country where machism was a thing. Like men beating their women if food wasn’t ready/good/hot etc. men coming home from work to yell “where’s my food!” Having said that I was raised by my dad after my mom left him because he was abusive. He was awful, but my personality was unruly. I always told myself “I will never let a men treat me like my dad treated my mom” but never once did I think that all men were the same as my dad. Fast forward a few years and I moved to the US and I saw a huge difference from the way so many men are in a latinamerican country versus how men are in the US. Men in the US are NOT toxic machos. I’m sure there are plenty of situations where girls are in abusive relationships BUT I’ve also seen the other way around where more and more girls are being abusive to a good guy. It’s sad to see that the new feminism is starting to look like old school latinamerican machism. I pray my son never finds a new age abusive girl 😫. Men and women are different for great reason! We should celebrate those differences. I love my masculine man, for example, I’m a Hispanic woman so I can dig a hole for my tree myself BUT sometimes I just can’t lol 😂 so I called my husband and he dug that hole in 5 mins 🥰😂 yasssss
"I don't need you to protect me, I just need you to not harm me. I can protect myself." This is a contradiction. If a man can harm a woman, but just "doesn't", it's not because the woman protected herself, it's because the man CHOSE not to. Yes, woman DO need good men to protect them from other bad men. "Locker room" talk is necessary between men, it's where men find boundaries I learned a lot by listening to my uncle's and older cousins and brothers. If one guy was saying shit about smacking a woman, the others in that group would warn him not to do it, often with the threat of violence to the man. BTW, Tampons were developed by A MAN named Earl Haas in 1931! Before Tampons (feminine hygiene products) did women not have periods? Of course they did, they just re-used unsanitary cloth rags. So, hooray for patriarchy!!
I believe the Feminist movement, once it went away from just getting better pay, is what has been destroying the family dynamic. We had more strong families once now they are very splintered. And Im hearing young men not even wanting to be around most women. I have to ask what freedoms do women not have now!
New to the channel but y’all killin it. It’d be cool if y’all would introduce yourselves before the vid so we could reference it later. Brodie in the back with the white hat is always hilarious and has some great insights just based on previous videos. But all y’all are very intelligent men and if y’all were my friends I’d be proud. Keep it up gentlemen!
Women need men to protect them. If I was sitting there and she told me I don't need your protection. My response would have been... If I came out of this chair at you, there would be nothing you could do about that. I'm 6'2" 230 pounds. I would wreck you. As a matter of fact, I could wreck all 3 of you at the same time. I would never do that, but it's an example of how you need men to protect you. Men have made things so easy for everyone, and women are so ungrateful.
That’s exactly what I thought too. If a couple are walking down the street and a man randomly hit the woman I can guarantee the woman would expect her man to protect her. Biologically men are stronger than women, I know feminists like to say that’s not true but it is.
And sometimes you might need multiple men. I've had to restrain violent men on drugs and alcohol and I couldn't do it by myself I needed my brother and his friend to help me. The guy was literally about the same size as me 6ft 180 pounds but he was on a mission. A woman definitely isn't doing shit to someone like that.
Its kind of disturbing that men are being attacked for not crying. Maybe it's just me, but I think men are wired differently to women. I have rarely felt the need to cry as an adult. There was no pushing any feelings down, no putting on a brave face. I've cried when I needed to. That's just men, surely? We dont cry over pain or the things women do. Celebrate our differences! Stop telling is to suppress our very nature because it offends women. But its disturbing that women are so desperate to watch us break down and sob! Why? Seems a bit sadistic to me!!
i tell my bf that he can cry or express emotions to me just to let him know that its okay because he was raised by a controlling father that used to tell him that crying is for weak people
so its not because i want him to break down but because I wanna make him feel safe and let him know that if he feels the need to its okay to do so and id be there for him
It's not lost on me that the woman that got the most critique was the black woman on the panel. The dude to right even tried to paint her as being aggressive or overly emotional when she barely raised her voice. She didn't behave any different than the rest of the other panelists. No one yelled or got disrespectful with their tone. The impulse to pick her apart and misrepresent what she said is anti-black as fuck. If you as young black man don't want to be viewed as inherently aggressive and angry, give black women that same consideration.
As far as crying, my dad used to get onto me from toddler age for crying and insinuate that it was weak . To this day , I’m embarrassed to let anyone see me cry . I’ve had trouble even crying at funerals because I’d get spanked harder when I cried as a toddler . And I’m a woman. 🤣. But I personally don’t see crying as weak . I do agree that one should keep their tears down in fearful situations if you’re trying to make your kids feel safe tho.
Great conversation gentlemen! Personally, I find that there can be differences between logical and emotional decision making. Women tend to use their emotions to determine the truth, whereas men will typically use logic. Women have a greater respect for their intuitive knowing, while men are looking at the same situation from a logical perspective. Not saying one is better than the other, just different approaches.
Toxic masculinity exists but so does heroic masculinity (ex: the men who ran up the towers on 9/11). Likewise toxic femininity exists but so does heroic femininity. One of the problems is in the redefining of heroic traits from males into toxic traits while not addressing the toxic traits of females.
@@hellatubbies882yt I hate that "insult" some girl told me I get "no bitches" I said I don't want bitches you're in that category.. I want a woman my mom will be proud of.
The reason women couldn’t vote is because voting rights were tied to military service. Most women did not want the vote because they did not want to be subjected to being drafted into the military Once that provision was removed then women wanted the vote.
When I worked with a bunch of doctors in a university setting, 100% of the time, if there were extra duties and the department chair asked for volunteers, ALL the female doctors would say "Not me!" But the men would concede to the extra duties without complaining. I watched this happen for 20 years. Every single time, men stood up, women sat down. Dude in the Titans shirt. Spot on. It is not cool for the man to lose his cool when the pressure is on. Of course, as a strong women, mom should keep herself straight too. And the irony is, liberal women are now complaining that they can't find strong men to date.
Really interesting topic with tons of nuance on both sides. I think the thing that always bothers me from MOST arguments I see is that there doesn't usually seem to be a desire to seek common ground and cede points to one side or the other. It usually devolves into "NAH, NOT TRUE" and "WHAT ABOUT XYZ" arguments. Meanwhile, in reality land, there's a point to be made about men having certain obligations that woman don't have, and vice versa. The problem comes when people start trying to compare them, and almost RANK the issues to see who should have more credibility. It's silly.
Feminism forgets that men naturally express emotions differently, because of testosterone, men are more likely to showcase emotion with aggression whereas women are more likely to showcase them by crying. We can’t force men to cry when it’s not our natural reaction to do so, instead teach men how to use anger in a positive way and as a motivation tool. That’s where the real suppression is, not allowing men to express how we naturally are meant to.
6:00 The two men missed it when they didn’t understand that men & women ARE DIFFERENT BUT ALSO EQUAL. I am actually shocked that someone actually thinks that women are on the level of children of equality with men… He’s young, hopefully he learns better or maybe he wants to put us back years and not allow us to vote or own land, etc without the man.
@@boofert.washington2499 no, maybe look up the definition of entitlement, the way in which men feel entitlement manifests in different ways through sexual harassment, assault, controlling and objectifying women, men feel entitled to make advances or comments to women , this leads to cat calling or worse it can also play in different settings like in a marriage were men feel entitled to monitor and control their wives. First of all you are not entitled to approach a stranger and of rejected there is no entitlement which allows you to grope her touch her or call her names for rejecting your advances period
@@boofert.washington2499 “human mating ritual” lmao what part of that ritual says u are entitled and can attack women whether verbally or physically which happens alllll the time when we reject men
@@celinemara565 They absolutely do not, just because you live in a shit neighborhood doesnt mean all men act this way. That same men thinks hes entitled to your wallet and any woman alike. (To steal obviously)
When they said toxic masculinity, in the beginning they almost had a point! Certain traits might be considered toxic, even though they can be useful. MIGHT. But now they wanna say masculinity as a whole is toxic. We're all potential grapists etc. Just because we have a d*ck. So we must all be dangerous. Women can be far more toxic than men imo. Just listening to their rants and the way they approach this issue shows that! Not all obviously, but the nutty ones reveal their hatred when they get all salty and unreasonable about it 😂
@@pickmeasinner " MIGHT. But now they wanna say masculinity as a whole is toxic. We're all potential grapists etc. Just because we have a d*ck. So we must all be dangerous" At some point my brain told me me new context after the period. I thought you were stating from your point of view "Just because we have a d*ck. S"
Sheila here...that’s Aussie slang for a woman! I completely agree with you, I’ve met way more toxic women than men. There are assholes on both sides but I’ve always found most dudes to be very respectful.
What happened to her was not a man thing, it was an a$$hole thing. You can’t paint all men with the same brush. You can be masculine and tough and confident and not cry and be a completely kind-hearted man Women have “locker room” talk too. People should stop dividing behaviour by gender and by personality type
Masculinity isn't uncontrolled aggression. Uncontrolled aggression is weakness. As for real masculinity, yes, we need a lot more of it.
amen!!! A man can control his inner monster.
Spot on. And he even uses that monster to do good deeds in the world
The problems with alot of these veiws is that people think that those negative traits are masculine, but masculinity is having control and discipline over those traits.
It's stoicism. Discipline. Strength. Intelligence. Drive. Being a guardian of your family.
@@CobbidoStoicism ? Nope. Intelligence ? Are you saying women are not Intelligent ?
I (being a woman myself) have seen this type of discussion many times: women asking/demanding understanding while not willing to understand men in return. Also, In certain communities they are the ones who raise these supposedly violent males.
It's been shown through irrefutable data that men in single mother homes, have an almost guarantee to do worse in school and possibly end up in prison. Because the father wasn't in the picture. Overall, children do way better in life having both parents in their lives. A father is just as important as a mother.
@@coeus1587 And why do you have men raised by single mothers that aren't raised correctly and end up being one of the worst people in society? And why weren't the fathers in the life of some men that were boys? Because the mother and father and their selfish pride and egos.
The mother wanted to dismantle the family by choosing not to ride and die with the dudes they're with and to be ignorant by thinking that they could be both mother and father to the child when that's impossible. And the father for not thinking about the welfare of the child and the effects kids can have when a dad is not in their lives.
Psychologically when children are robbed of being given a proper raising structure by both mothers and fathers, they turn out to be such screwed up individuals. That's why you have the young generation that have no respect for authority.
The fact that you hit send on that post is disappointing.
@@elicielcajigas1977So much misogyny and sexist things in your comment.
It's OK for men to be masculine.
It's not okay , it's NECESSARY !
Is it ok for men to be femine?
@@MasteRgamer-mk5bp it’s okay for men to be whatever they want to be. We only have one life and I hope everyone lives it in a way that makes them happy. We all deserve to be happy after all.
@@MasteRgamer-mk5bp nah
@@MasteRgamer-mk5bp it is. What's not okay is these femine men thinking they are acctuly female and chopping body parts off and injection hormones
Jokes in a 'male-space' are harmful, but chicks gossiping and talking trash behind backs is constructive... Huh. I thought it was just about the genders bonding and a way to let off steam without resorting to confrontations... Learn something new everyday. Thanks, feminists!
That IS EXACTLY what I said to someone else on this thread. We should NOT be policing mens conversations in their private spaces!!! As women are JUST as rude and crude in how they talk about men!!!!!
I agree. I grew up in the 80s, and men AND women were guilty of that then too. Women are worse than men could ever be.
Also, "jokes that are harmful..." I fail to see what the harm is if it's in a "male-space." She just doesn't like the idea of it going on behind her back either lol
@Ryan king No, I don't see harm for men or women to have talks amongst themselves. But I will say that if the talk is derogatory toward a female, those with lesser "true men" / leader qualities, may tend to believe this talk is the gospel and may act in a toxic or harmful way to that female not believing anything is wrong with that behavior. The same could be said of women, but in most cases, women are not usually physically aggressive and therefore pose no or rarely any threat. Having said that, people who do that cannot be said to be "all men," and should not be grouped with other men who do not behave that way. Those individuals need help.
I grew up in a time where men said and did crude things to women all the time. Looking back on it, some of it was really not ok, but I don't think they were men..just boys pretending to be what they perceived a man to be. Those situations taught us women how to protect ourselves and be really good at comebacks. Lol.
@@kristyshortridge4968 "women are not usually physically aggressive" is a massive misconception. Women are just as aggressive and violent as men are. The difference is people tend to suppress their violent tendencies unless theyre either at a breaking point or feel as though they can get away with it. For example, women are the perpetrators of domestic violence roughly as often as men are, the reason being that those women know they can get away with being violent towards their spouse (for a multitude of reasons).
The woman who said the idea of men's rights makes her stomach turn must not have a husband, brother or son.
They don't care.
Agree. That was a stupid comment she made.
@@paulineakauola9201 To them men are just statistics, unless they are rich or attractive.
I do love the social behaviors conversations you have. You aren’t so serious but are having serious conversations.
She didn't come with a list of facts but she certainly whipped out her list of excuses real quick.
Because she going off of her *emotions*
that's right, robert!
There's nothing wrong with men being masculine. It's natural, necessary, and quite frankly, my favorite thing about men, that they're not women. You can be an abusive asshole no matter what gender you belong to. We need more conversations like these in order to correct the disconnect between the sexes.
This is a perfect example in this video of why men hate talking to women.
@@trevorthompson330 why
@@trevorthompson330Stop generalising sexist
You lack intelligence in relationship psychology.@@allinix7
You guys are great. I have enjoyed watching. I think she's referring to the fact that tampons and pads are taxed as a luxury item instead of a medical necessity.
I think we have it pretty well if we are down to complaining about tampons being taxed. Smh
That's because women allow that. A man buy with his money, women buy with others money. Yeah, I know there are 2 o 3 girls that buy with her own money, but the majority buy with other money.
The question then becomes what's different about other medical necessities that are taxed? Toothbrushes, etc. As Brock said, things need to get paid for somehow. In a perfect world tampons and other medical necessities wouldn't be taxed but it's just not financially feasible. And we can't just do tampons and nothing else.
Why aren't they using cups/discs/washable menstrual underwear? If money's the problem, you'll save LOADS by switching to reusable menstrual products. Somehow that never comes up in these conversations 😮💨🙄
@@fallenshroud9956 That's an option for some people
Toxic is toxic, no matter who is doing it. Take care Cartier Family 💕
And all the women here in this video are toxic and angry.
@@trevorthompson330 yo, this Trevor that went to John Hopkins middle school? Just wondering because you have his exact name.
@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 👀
@@ne9835 👁👄👁
@@trevorthompson330 Men can be just as angry.
_“All arguments from men are coming from a place of hurt”_
: proceeds to get angry telling anecdotal stories of men treating her poorly 🙄😴 she’s a lost woman for real.
Plz don't talk about that blk queen 😂
@@DoubleBeezy queen??
@@DoubleBeezy that’s Queen Cerci brev, just walking round getting mad at men for breathing near her lmao
@@Anonymous-uw4sr do you not understand sarcasm?
@@NoRockinMansLand Do you?🙂
"I didn't come with a list, my dude.." now if he said, "I didn't come with a list, chick" she would have felt some kind of way lol but yeah, he didn't ask for a list he asked for ONE and if she couldn't name even one, then she doesn't *know* those organizations exists... she THINKS or ASSUMES they do. They don't
I like how you brought up roofing I was a roofer and we hired a girl to help diverse the company she didn’t last the first day
I worked in roofing a long time myself. Along with being a Carpenter, and log cabin builder for about 25 years. I would not say that the reason women don't usually find that kind of work suitable is because of some modern invention people who don't work endlessly postulate about. Not everyone is built for the same job, or the consequences and requirements that come with them. And that's okay. Everybody's different and able to do different things. That said. I find it entirely ridiculous that people who have no real life experience are telling the rest of the world what they're allowed to think, say, and do. While never having to walk a day in my shoes. Or everyone else they talk down to for that matter.
probably cuz as a woman working in a male dominated environment can feel uninviting. you’re instantly judged and not everyone is prepared for that. I think it’s best to try and stick it out to prove others wrong, but sometimes people get bothered by those sorts of things and end up quitting
I was a roofer for 3 days in brutal hot weather and thought I was going die - respect
And a rainy windstorm- no harness and no health insurance….I couldn’t hang 🙈
as bill burr said "I did roofing in july as a redhead... i almost died"
The fella on back right nailed it. Nothing can ever be truly equal. There are way too many variables. And every time we try to correct, we over correct. He basically just said everything is a hierarchy. And it's true. Doesn't mean we shouldn't all aspire to walk in love. Love is what makes things work. You don't weaponize strength and power over women or kids. You walk in love and protect them.
Love? Huh, what a joke! Love is a tool to cheat people in my opinion. Meaning that not everyone is tolerant and accepting of people from all walks of life. Many people don't see average imperfect unattractive people as perfect looking human beings. Therefore according to attractive people, people that are average looking should be hated on, reviled, despised, and bullied to death because they don't live up to the expectations and standards of others.
What's the sense in average imperfect unattractive people trying to find love when many despise and hate them so much that they would wish unattractive imperfect average people dead? It's certainly why I gave up on trying to find love. And me having the most positive attitude and self confidence wouldn't draw the attention to even the most so called "friendly" people on the planet. And no I'm not looking in the supposed "wrong places" to find love.
There is no such thing as "the wrong place". Everybody is everywhere these days. It's just that they always look for a perfect looking attractive person to be social with out of having a sexual preference. Having a sexual preference in my opinion is another way for people to be naturally biased and prejudiced towards average people.
So, no point in trying to find love. I would preferably be single, miserable, sad, angry, and alone beating my meat to porn than live another day being mentally and emotionally hurt and unnecessarily and unconstitutionally rejected by women. It maybe a pathetic way to live life, but when all else fails, I really have no choice. I'm not gonna live life not ever knowing what sex feels like. Fuck all that!
This is so true.
Thank you for this comment. I saw a quote some time ago that said humans can never truly accept their inequality, so they strive to achieve equality their entire lives even though it might not be possible in certain cases. And like you said in trying to do that, they tend to overcorrect or just come back full circle to the problem.
I just love the discussions that happen on this channel.
Jubilee really did their casting and editing well to prove their point. They got a female author, grad student, and, “pet health industry” worker, and matched them with a self proclaimed incel UA-camr, a guy that’s only credentials are being 24 and being a men’s righ activist and then the only seemingly competent debater the phd student title 9 specialist on gets about a minute and a half of screen time in the first 20 minutes and instead give the incel the most time
Kursat was secretly recording this Jubilee episode.
@@tcincali9642 so what, did he release the entire unedited video then?
@@aidenbarna5406 yes he did it’s on his UA-cam channel
Credentials are not important in a gender debate🤡
@@tcincali9642 sorry for the late response but do you have a link? I tried searching kursat jubilee but nothing I’m interested in the full video
I just want to say thank you!!! You give me hope for the future that people can come together and actually listen to each other. I came across your channel quite by accident, but I watch regularly. Please keep your open minds.
I love how much you all bring your personal experiences in education into your conversations. It truly shows how much you really appreciate everything you have learned in school and use it to connect with what you all are currently learning from these videos. It shows that education is a life long experience and we need more channels like this on UA-cam. Especially from the demographic you all come from.
Y'all are right, we're all equal in importance but many aspects of our lives are very different, as they should be. I wouldn't have wanted my late husband to act feminine. He was what my generation called a macho man, and I whole heartedly approved or I wouldn't have married him. I felt safe with him and I felt important in our lives together. He never made me feel less than his equal but we both knew there were tasks for him to handle and tasks for me to handle. We both worked full time, we both took care of household chores, though we did agree his chores were outside, mine were inside. We raised our 3 sons together, equally contributing to their needs in different ways. It made our world very pleasant. It's refreshing to hear young men have a conversation about this topic. Y'all seem to have your heads on straight!
So what's the moral of your story? I have a relationship with a 8cm shorter man than me because of operated legs, in case of defense I got the black belt. And same as your relationship: equality, love, respect for almost 10 years.
@@nflorencem
So what's the moral of your story?
Both sound the same except yours is written with venom, not contempt
Were you angry that you needed to contribute to what you seem to be resentful about for having to cover for your partner ?
@@gbh5912 moral of the story both should be the same but its not.
You have a easy way to turn peoples words into your favour and provoce with your arrogance. Wich is more annoying than provocative.
I'm not ok that we get venom because we dont look 'normal'. Im not ok that my partner is getting treated less of a male because of an adnrogynous appearance and shorter size. I'm not ok that other men try to touch and hit on me in front of my partner because they think he cant defent me anyway. I'm not ok that we get venom and hate for stupid point of views of how a normal man and a woman should be and should look like.
@@nflorencem
But life is not supposed to be the same for everyone, you should never expect anything then you'll never feel disappointment because we often mentally set ourselves up with so many fabricated expectations of how our lives will be, which as your story states things change and often very quickly and none of us know what tomorrow could bring
Truth often can appear as arrogance because one can't argue against truth
Best wishes
@@gbh5912 It's not what a person is transmitting it's about the how that makes an arrogant appearence. Doesn't exclude your point. There are many ways to appear arrogant.
From time to time I feel anger when memories of physical harassment are coming up.
Thanks for your answer, and I agree that life is not supposed to be the same for everyone. I usually dont expect (try my best not to) because too much is possible.
best wisches to you, too
AGREED! MASCULINITY IS GREAT!!! WE NEED IT! 🎉
Tiny unit huh
@@Gen7486 i love the term gaslighting- it’s an amazing tool to have in your pocket….real gaslighters never fess up even when obvious. It’s hilarious
@@Gen7486 to your question - nah I was just being a dick for the heck of it
@@neworld2114 same 🤝😂
Need more of it
I’m an electrician, our company has hired 3 women in the time I’ve been with company. They’re all gone now, they stuck around for some months but they always got the easier and less physically demanding jobs
ok
Well.. good that you at least hired women… but also.. I cannot imagine men going through childbirth… passing 7-8 lbs through a tiny opening stretched and ripped open.. ok.. the human race would not exist
@@marysweda2097 we both have our strengths. We shouldn't try to compete.
Uh... you just got some weak women. I know several women that work in construction... they also bench over 150, and don't have any issues with the heavy work. They're definitely outliers though. It would be better if we actually learned weight training in school, it would certainly help women be more competent physically. If that's something they choose to pursue.
@@fallenshroud9956 those are extreme outliers, lol.
There are extremely few women who work in construction.
Did she tell him he doesn't have any female friends because he doesn't view them as equal? I think it's the opposite, I think Derrick feels inadequate and, as he stated, weak because he didn't have a male role-model. She thought she had him pegged, but honestly, he's just too timid and weak to approach women, most likely.
True but it doesn't help that he compares women to children, I don't blame women for not wanting to be around that
@CRAZIERBIRD doesn't help that these women seemed to be making emotional arguments rather than logical arguments. Almost like, well.... most children lol but tbf they had to acknowledge biological differences in men and women, such as strength and if we're honest, mens ability to assess threats. Of course you could compare women to literally anything that you feel a need to protect, such as our children. Its not insulting unless he compares their intellect, tbh.
@@rynecology I actually thought Bea was very logical and she seemed like she went there to gain some perspective. Yes some of them got emotional at points but so did Derrick, as long as the conversation stays on track and everyone still gets to speak I really don't see much wrong with that. I didn't grow up with a dad either but at some point you have to realise you're an adult now and work through your own issues instead of saying society needs to change back to what it was
@@rynecology you can spin it anyway you want, if he's making the comparison of grown women and children I still completely understand why a woman wouldn't want to be around that
@@crazierbird8031 because she's an emotional creature and easily insulted/triggered... like a child lol
Bravery is not the absence of fear, you can only be brave in the face of fear.
MAN AS AN OLDER CAT I LOVE Y'ALL YOUNG BUCS, KEEP DOING WHAT Y'ALL DOING CUASE YOU GUYS ARE DEFINETLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
Bucks* not the football team 😂
she did not have an attitude. she was right, his comparison of women to children was absolutely ridiculous and condescending.
I guess I’m more of a traditionalist. I want my man to be strong and to exude strength and confidence. I like feeling like I have someone I can lean/rely on. It helps me keep my composure better too. It would do no good to have two freaked out, overly emotional people “in the boat”. 🤷🏻♀️
I agree I'm already super emotional
I would love you guys to do more Jubilee style episodes where current topic questions are asked and you guys give your personal perspective. I love watching them on Amala Ekpunobi's show and love open debate rather than us all being so afraid to be candid.
What a whole lotta stuff that you'll be relieved to hear I'm not going to ramble on about! 😅 I just want to say that I know so many amazing fathers who love and nurture their children with all their hearts. I know single fathers who had to raise their children on their own and did fantastic jobs. I think it depends on the individual not the sex. One of the things I love about the Cartier Family is your big hearts. I wouldn't want you to think that your ability to love children is limited by your biology. ❤
Both men and woman can parent well, or poorly, depends on the person!
They brought on the worst example of feminist argument! As a woman my greatest concern in this world is not tax on tampons!
It is in the choices available to me. In some countries around the world a woman cannot have a drivers licence, a bank account, a college education or leave her home without a male relative accompanying her.
This is what feminism should be about: offering women the right to their choices. And not at the expense of anyone else..
Same token: men have the right to be as masculine as they wish, whatever and however they describe or define 'masculine'. Again not at the expense of another...if your masculinity is dependent on how much power/intimidation you can exert over someone else, then its toxic..
Great discussion guys! Keep up the good work!
Great and hysterical point about not being hired for babysitting!!😂
All these women are feminists until war breaks out 😂
Thank U guys! Always enjoy your videos & Enjoyed this video especially with the conversations, subject matter, etc. I'm a 63 y.o. male who prides himself on having a healthy masculinity which I was raised with by my parents, family, friends, & associates with a very healthy respect for women. As opposed to all the rhetoric about men as a whole with our so called "Toxic Masculinity".
This is the definition found for Healthy masculinity: when men flourish first for themselves, then for their families, posterity, and communities. A man embodying healthy masculinity knows who he is. He is physically healthy and strong. He is pursuing and developing his skills and capabilities to make him more competent and able to take action
BTW how often do we hear this term
What is toxic masculinity today?
Toxic masculinity praises men for having multiple sexual partners while expressing disgust at women who do the same. Refusing to help with household duties. Toxic masculinity rejects roles traditionally considered “women's work.” Toxically masculine men often refuse to participate in these household duties.
“Both toxic masculinity and femininity are unhealthy as they pressure individuals to fit a mold rather than strive to live and relate to others authentically, as their highest and best selves,” she explains
Interestingly I had never heard the term "Toxic Femininity" which I'm sure we have all seen or experienced.
Good article written by A female psychologist:
www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/toxic-femininity
Perhaps you’ve come across the term “toxic masculinity” before. If so, you might know this concept describes the ways society’s gender-based expectations for men can breed unhelpful characteristics and behaviors, including aggression, difficulty expressing emotions, and excessive self-reliance.
But psychologists and researchers have also started to consider a similar topic, “toxic femininity.” In a nutshell, this term describes the potentially negative impact of society’s standards for women
“Both toxic masculinity and femininity are unhealthy as they pressure individuals to fit a mold rather than strive to live and relate to others authentically, as their highest and best selves,” she explains.
The woman started at saying she don't need a man to protect her but let somebody come and attack her and find out who she runs to, a man or a woman 99.9 percent of the time they will run to a man to protect them
oh come on, when she brings up the locker room talk.... it made me laugh.... Maybe because she is young.... she doesn't realize that women have a version of locker room talk too lol... In fact women can get even more descriptive in sex conversations then a lot of men do. And where I used to work... we used to tell dirty jokes too... men and women. The only time we didn't was if someone said.... if someone didn't like it, they used their adult voices and said... Don't like this... please don't talk like that around me. That was the same with flirting.... Most cases it was harmless fun but when someone had issues over it.... they said so. And then it should stop.... that is how it should be. So long as people speak their mind and others obey their wishes.... there is no toxic trash going on
This is why men hate women; they can't have a conversation with a woman, and they wonder why we don't ever want to talk. There are no toxic men, only radical toxic feminists. Notice how women always invalidate the thoughts and feelings of men and look down on them----this is judgment and toxic feminism. This woman getting touched and her hate for men means nothing in the discrimination against men in the court system, and patriarchy BS is hatred for men.
It's still wrong.
@@rose.888 Nooo, it's not. He's right. Women have some of the most crude locker-room talk imaginable, if not worse than men. And I've listened to both sides and joined in on both. I have more guy friends than female because I simply don't feel comfortable around women for a lot of reasons.
@@Osiris189 ... They don't objectify you. I have a feeling most don't even know you. As a gender, we objectify each other.
I like the burly bearded lumberjack types that will lift me off my feet and carry me fireman style and-- well. :) We all have our biases, our objectification points. Welcome to being a mammalian animal. Get used to it.
The men: men need to be men and women need to be women.
The feminist: how dare you have a organized group, how dare you tell women what they should do, men should be and act like…!
Great conversation gentlemen. I think toxic masculinity refers to, especially in the past, men feeling entitled to assume superiority over women - be it in their role as a husband, boyfriend, employee..it refers, to me, to sexist language, anger, many times narcissistic behaviors toward women. Much of that has changed over the decades, and while some of that still happens, it is much less now than in the 70s and 80s. I am an older lady and I can remember some of that behavior, but now, many men are afraid to say Boo to a lady for fear of being labeled toxic.
I think many women still want masculine men. I know I do! One issue that still exists is the anger, so if you can't or won't communicate effectively with your lady, find a positive outlet - be it playing sports with the fellas, counseling, or just quiet time to reflect and be calm. Men and women are different for good reason but they are equal in worth. And a heads up. I know you're young, and I'm getting old, but when you find the lady you want to spend the rest of your lives with, she is the one you should be discussing ideas, concerns, etc. with, because as your partner and best friend, she can offer you wisdom and guidance. You are in it together and for her to trust you to lead, she has to be in the conversation.
Keep up the conversations. I thoroughly enjoy seeing this generation discuss the issues of the day. Great job!
Toxic masculinity was the feminization of men. It was to Shame men being men. This is right after we paid women to have kids as long as there was no man in the house. Incentivizing it. Then a massive boom in single mothers blossomed. The path to hell is paved by good intentions. Now the average man can't fix stuff around the house, can't change the oil in a car, play games all day and generally are un ambitious compared to the generations before them. Birth rates are collapsing, bridal companies are bankrupting everywhere and Goldman Sachs is investing in cat and dog food for the wave of double income no kids about to come through.
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I agree about the job thing . Most men and women have jobs to suit their gender and the pay reflects that . I do construction work ( finish carpentry ) . I’m usually the only female on the job site . I chose this profession because it does pay more and I despise office work . 🤣. But I can’t lift as much of the heavy things men can . That’s why I do the finish carpentry. The fine detail stuff . I simply surround myself with people who are kind and respectful to me . There are kind women and men, and awful women and men . We should all just be good to each other . Period 🥰
Great share, I've had the same types of experiences and find respect for your coworkers is always important for anyone if they are respectful also
@@gbh5912 , Thank you so much! You’re so right. I’m very fortunate that I work with so many respectable and respectful people nearly all men unless the decorators or cleaners come ( I also am the cleaner at times ) . We are all so nice to each other . The men don’t try to sexually harass me either . I’ve had that problem at some jobs . But my boyfriend is the foreman and they all know it . That’s one reason they don’t bother me 🤣. They see me carrying something to heavy and they come and grab it for me . They’re all so chivalrous. I love it .
@@gbh5912 , It also helps that many of the men I work with are Christian Latino men who are family men . I’m not super religious. But what I mean by that is that these men are all truly nice . Many don’t speak English and my Spanish is so so . They respect my boyfriend and me because we make the effort to use google translate to talk to them . And we got a little Spanish learning app we need to use soon . They all call me Jenny , which I think is so cute . They’re always beaming with a smile and say , “ JENNY ! Mucho Gusto ! Como esta ?” when they see me. They brighten my day so much. 🥰
I just want people to be PEOPLE; men or women, we still bleed red, we still breathe the same air, we are still composed of cells… PARENTS need to teach their children better and tell them (whether boy or girl) that their emotions and feelings are normal and that they should be expressive and they should talk to others about those thoughts. Really all of our hang ups in life are based off of how we were raised. It’s a generational curse for so many of us. Let’s do better, and if we have kids, let’s raise them right y’all!!!
Shut up NPC
I agree with you in theory yes. But there has been a movement in the past few years where women want to completely change men, that is NOT healthy.
Never trust anyone that bleeds one week of every month but doesnt die 💯🙏
@@callanc3925 😂
I work in counseling; here’s the toxic people I get; (HE) feels superior, controls his wife and children, is a chauvinist, believes it’s fine for men - married too - to womanize and have nude/lust mags/pics, sneaks/has male secrets, makes her take care of all children and rarely helps, doesn’t share. (SHE) constantly nags, uses sex as a weapon, acts how she hates from him - hypocrisy, everything is his fault, will throw punches, uses children as a threat, screams.
Toxic means harmful and hurtful words and behaviors. They both are capable. And I’ve said this before, men are not supposed to leave the home and be a bread winner, that’s a money system banker trap handed down. Husband and wife work land, fields, animals, home, children, and community together. We’re both feeling off because we’re not living the way God said; it’s too much pressure to be the only one working or with the children. I get these issues too...people burning out. Good talk. Vid had some good and unhealthy points on each side.
Great point about “manning up”!
"I don't need you to protect me, just don't harm me."
These people are idiots. Evil people exist. They're going to hurt you. You DO need protection. MEN need protection. Smh
She honestly sounded ignorant. Unless she is carrying a gun/weapon, she is probably NOT going to be able to protect herself against a 250 pound man.
@@sydneysomer9958 our boarders exist by men with guns. Our very nation and existence starts there. Men with ideas ready to protect them. Feminism is an idea that cannot protect itself.
@@sydneysomer9958 If we're being honest she probably isnt even able to protect herself against a man smaller than her unless she has some sort of martial arts training.
The instances that the young lady was describing about that occurred to her have nothing to do with Men's advocacy, those actions were and are still illegal.
I think it's pretty cool that as the women sat there and corrected everything the men said, and continue to say " i don't need a man to tell me that this is OK or that is OK", but proceeded to tell these men exactly what is ok and not okay for men to do or how to act.
Men have to be able to talk with other good men about tough issues and know that privacy will be respected and good wisdom/guidance will be returned … iron sharpens iron
yes
Hopefully one day people will understand that this is all ego talk
This will never be resolved until everyone understands their own ego.
If the Mom was driving in a storm with the kids in the car ( your scenario) she wouldn't be apt to be crying either. She would also have to take care of business, and perhaps let her emotions out later. The wages are based on the same jobs too. A man and woman doing the SAME job should be paid equally. They're both office workers, or both nurses, doctors, office cleaners, etc.
All of you guys are spot on with a lot of these arguments 👏👏
The women appear to be several years older than the young men....so there's a definite difference in life experiences and expectations.
I love and respect yellow jacket.
Takes courage to be so upfront with your point of view and he has solid points. Much love to the man.
He is literally an incel
@@aya_5791 what does that got to do with what he is saying?
@@JyveGod no way to “love and respect” an incel. It’s a gender equivalent of being racist. His entire views revolve around man being superior and women owing sex to them.
toxic masculinity and hyper femininity are both extremes. gotta be the middle. and be capable of both when needed.
Interesting
No such thing as either.
Feminism and masculinism: yes, agree. But stop attacking biology.
@@ShifuCareaga look up the definitions
This is the classic logical vs. emotional argument. Notice how the men were calm most of the time and the women were losing their minds and not actively listening to the men’s points. Also, notice how Jubilee conveniently edits many of the men’s answers and doesn’t edit the women’s answers nearly as much. Biased much?
EDIT: Think about the wage gap myth like this: If a woman makes less money than a man then why aren’t companies hiring all women to further their profit margins?
How many male nurses are there? How many female bricklayers are there? Myth debunked.
Women also tend to cry when they're tired of being questioned.
@@rynecology "tears on demand"
@@rynecology None of them could back up their claims with specifics all they said were vague statements about the mythical patriarchy and sexism along with using personal anecdotes instead of statistics or broad evidence. If their so tired of being questioned then you should easily answer it on their behalf then right?
@@ShifuCareaga I think it was mostly because they were challenged directly and the often over-used “it’s the patriarchy” “wage gap” and “sexism” arguments didn’t work so they resorted to total emotional responses and thus had no more valid arguments.
Well the men (likely due to past situational social training) did often respond defensively when questioned by that scary calm tone we all know to well... the "it's fine" tone as I like to call it.😅
listening to y'all is reminding me of my friendgroup, its so fun to listen to.
Toxic masculinity is definitely real. You've all seen it in your own lives. I'm a masculine guy, but the typical "high school football coach" bullshit of men don't cry, men fight instead of talk, etc. That shit makes all of us look bad.
@@matthieuschmitter6676 Sounds like you aren't taking accountability for YOURSELF. You wouldn't be blaming anyone else if you had.
That's called weakness bro , toxic masculinity is made up . Weakness is when you're wrong but you don't aknowledge that and keep going off on your delusions . We absolutely need masculinity , and sometimes masculinity is harsh. And as i said fighting is not necessarily "masculine" but it is when used rightfully . Therefore what you're implying is that your coach is using toxic masculinity which is a made up term . Call him weak instead , so there isn't any confusion between masculinity which is necessary as THE most important people and conquerors on this earth used it to an extreme , that's why they were great . So , no. Toxic masculinity is not real . Plus the term started existing exactly when the feminist movement really started washing brains in the modern era .Coincidence ? Maybe but highly unlikely.
I'm not sure how I found you guys but I'm glad I did. Keep up the great work and thank you all. /hugehugs
I believe you are looking at this all wrong. It's not about how it feels to be a man or woman, it's about how one person should treat another person despite any differences between them. These women are saying that men have been mistreating them and these men refuse to accept that men's opinions on how they should "act/feel" as a man are why these women are being mistreated. The men feel that "this is how I'm supposed to act so I'm going to whether I'm correct or not". The women expressed how they don't want to be or feel invalidated and it literally ended with the guy invalidating their opinions. Whoever said "you have to act this way" to be a man is outdated! When it's an uncivilized environment, those traits and qualities were valued and respected in men. We now have grown up and evolved into civilization, and have laws, and rights. It's something we all agreed to do so we stop killing ourselves and eachother for survival. Men need to grow up and stop thinking "I need to be this way and start thinking about how we can continue to grow as a society. I think it starts by listening to your neighbors (aka women) instead of invalidating them. Men get the short end of the stick in a lot of ways but it's mainly because their history has put them there.
I think you are the one sane person I’ve come across in the comment section 😭
Lol shut up, the only ones who were dismissing the other persons experiences and invalidating opinions were these toxic feminists.
@@riggamorrischan you mean the one beta male who you toxic feminists go for so you can dominate them lol.
Huge simp alert
Why the heavy focus on men though. How are you going to say its outdated to say "men should/shouldnt act this way" yet when women say that men should/shouldnt act a certain way its suddenly a valid opinion.
"I didn’t come with a list my dude." ..and that’s what happens when you go to a debate unprepared.
Ok, Concerning the tampons: you have to pay for them because SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR CREATED THEM, SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR DELIVERED THEM TO THE STORE WHERE YOU PURCHASED THEM, SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR STOCKED THEM ON THE SHELVED AND SOLD THEM TO YOU! WHEN YOU ASK FOR "FREE" TAMPONS, YOU ARE ASKING FOR SLAVE LABOR.
I like my men masculine . I’m weird like that. 😊
Sad day when this statement is actually 100% true. It literally is like taboo to say you want a masculine man in the liberal world we’re in.
Elizabitty, with the bitty brain, masculinity has no correlation with toxic masculinity, two very different things
@@celinemara565 not to listen to feminists , they seem to think almost EVERY male behavior is toxic. It's a new movement that is NOT healthy.
@@ChillingandVibingToLife I didn’t insult anyone, i described her for what she is
@@celinemara565 as a man i can say you are wrong. And you seen like a real hündin.
Equal but different - we balance each other
It's too bad they didn't have some older people on this panel.
As a man ,we still are expected to take care of the family financially and be the leading bread winner for the family..... We gain value only if we bring something to the table.
tbh this is a difficult a difficult conversation and also why people aren't as much in relationships or at least for long times. because compared to before everything is much more expensive and it's barely enough anymore if only one person at the family gets the "bread".
Not showing every emotion is ok and it’s not toxic. Imagine working a fast food job and a fully bearded big man shrieked or teary eyed every time he got burned or had his nail cracked or got mouthed off too by a customer something and 1 by 1 everybody in the kitchen going up to him like “omg I’m so sorry, are you okay that’s terrible, I feel for you, that should never happen”
EXACTLY
5:46 beautiful way to say it we need each other!! 6:12 this young woman is head strong for the wrong reasons! Why would you not want to to be protected???
good video guys keep up the good work
I’m a mom to a boy, I never want him to be treated lesser than a girl because men in the past were a-holes or whatever. I was born in a country where machism was a thing. Like men beating their women if food wasn’t ready/good/hot etc. men coming home from work to yell “where’s my food!” Having said that I was raised by my dad after my mom left him because he was abusive. He was awful, but my personality was unruly. I always told myself “I will never let a men treat me like my dad treated my mom” but never once did I think that all men were the same as my dad. Fast forward a few years and I moved to the US and I saw a huge difference from the way so many men are in a latinamerican country versus how men are in the US. Men in the US are NOT toxic machos. I’m sure there are plenty of situations where girls are in abusive relationships BUT I’ve also seen the other way around where more and more girls are being abusive to a good guy. It’s sad to see that the new feminism is starting to look like old school latinamerican machism. I pray my son never finds a new age abusive girl 😫. Men and women are different for great reason! We should celebrate those differences. I love my masculine man, for example, I’m a Hispanic woman so I can dig a hole for my tree myself BUT sometimes I just can’t lol 😂 so I called my husband and he dug that hole in 5 mins 🥰😂 yasssss
"I don't need you to protect me, I just need you to not harm me. I can protect myself." This is a contradiction. If a man can harm a woman, but just "doesn't", it's not because the woman protected herself, it's because the man CHOSE not to. Yes, woman DO need good men to protect them from other bad men. "Locker room" talk is necessary between men, it's where men find boundaries I learned a lot by listening to my uncle's and older cousins and brothers. If one guy was saying shit about smacking a woman, the others in that group would warn him not to do it, often with the threat of violence to the man. BTW, Tampons were developed by A MAN named Earl Haas in 1931! Before Tampons (feminine hygiene products) did women not have periods? Of course they did, they just re-used unsanitary cloth rags. So, hooray for patriarchy!!
Recently came across your channel. Great content, and I can tell you all have a good bond. Keep up the hard work guys!
I believe the Feminist movement, once it went away from just getting better pay, is what has been destroying the family dynamic. We had more strong families once now they are very splintered. And Im hearing young men not even wanting to be around most women. I have to ask what freedoms do women not have now!
"Tradition is a set of solutions to problems which have since been forgotten. Take away the solutions and you will be left with the problems"
New to the channel but y’all killin it. It’d be cool if y’all would introduce yourselves before the vid so we could reference it later. Brodie in the back with the white hat is always hilarious and has some great insights just based on previous videos. But all y’all are very intelligent men and if y’all were my friends I’d be proud. Keep it up gentlemen!
Women need men to protect them. If I was sitting there and she told me I don't need your protection. My response would have been... If I came out of this chair at you, there would be nothing you could do about that. I'm 6'2" 230 pounds. I would wreck you. As a matter of fact, I could wreck all 3 of you at the same time. I would never do that, but it's an example of how you need men to protect you. Men have made things so easy for everyone, and women are so ungrateful.
That’s exactly what I thought too. If a couple are walking down the street and a man randomly hit the woman I can guarantee the woman would expect her man to protect her. Biologically men are stronger than women, I know feminists like to say that’s not true but it is.
And sometimes you might need multiple men. I've had to restrain violent men on drugs and alcohol and I couldn't do it by myself I needed my brother and his friend to help me. The guy was literally about the same size as me 6ft 180 pounds but he was on a mission. A woman definitely isn't doing shit to someone like that.
“I wouldn’t hire me either” 💀😂😂
Its kind of disturbing that men are being attacked for not crying. Maybe it's just me, but I think men are wired differently to women. I have rarely felt the need to cry as an adult. There was no pushing any feelings down, no putting on a brave face. I've cried when I needed to. That's just men, surely? We dont cry over pain or the things women do. Celebrate our differences! Stop telling is to suppress our very nature because it offends women. But its disturbing that women are so desperate to watch us break down and sob! Why? Seems a bit sadistic to me!!
i tell my bf that he can cry or express emotions to me just to let him know that its okay because he was raised by a controlling father that used to tell him that crying is for weak people
so its not because i want him to break down but because I wanna make him feel safe and let him know that if he feels the need to its okay to do so and id be there for him
@@MrsDuck356 I'd never cry in front of a female partner.
@@DavidW-ng5zv well that's up to you
@@MrsDuck356 it's the correct thing to do.
I'm white, for example, and white women have a genetic disorder where they can't actually love white men.
It's not lost on me that the woman that got the most critique was the black woman on the panel. The dude to right even tried to paint her as being aggressive or overly emotional when she barely raised her voice. She didn't behave any different than the rest of the other panelists. No one yelled or got disrespectful with their tone. The impulse to pick her apart and misrepresent what she said is anti-black as fuck. If you as young black man don't want to be viewed as inherently aggressive and angry, give black women that same consideration.
Matt Walsh’s documentary What is a woman is pretty insightful
These same women advocating for men to show emotions are the same ones that will dump a guy for being too emotional
All I hear is men needs to change, women are okay, its the men that need to change😂 the problem is with the man.
As far as crying, my dad used to get onto me from toddler age for crying and insinuate that it was weak . To this day , I’m embarrassed to let anyone see me cry . I’ve had trouble even crying at funerals because I’d get spanked harder when I cried as a toddler . And I’m a woman. 🤣. But I personally don’t see crying as weak . I do agree that one should keep their tears down in fearful situations if you’re trying to make your kids feel safe tho.
Great conversation gentlemen! Personally, I find that there can be differences between logical and emotional decision making. Women tend to use their emotions to determine the truth, whereas men will typically use logic. Women have a greater respect for their intuitive knowing, while men are looking at the same situation from a logical perspective. Not saying one is better than the other, just different approaches.
Toxic masculinity exists but so does heroic masculinity (ex: the men who ran up the towers on 9/11). Likewise toxic femininity exists but so does heroic femininity. One of the problems is in the redefining of heroic traits from males into toxic traits while not addressing the toxic traits of females.
He said involuntary celibate, meaning not by choice, that alone shows how hard it is being a man lol
but i admire his honesty in owning it, that way if it all went sour they cant say he gets no p*ssy, cos he knows it and done said it
@@hellatubbies882yt I hate that "insult" some girl told me I get "no bitches" I said I don't want bitches you're in that category.. I want a woman my mom will be proud of.
Becareful Scott! I know a Christina and a Georgia, and they both live on the corner of Columbus and Washington!
The reason women couldn’t vote is because voting rights were tied to military service. Most women did not want the vote because they did not want to be subjected to being drafted into the military
Once that provision was removed then women wanted the vote.
Not to be rude, but that’s a lame argument lol
Most bathrooms with feminine vending machines charge $1.00-2.00 for one item…we use 3-10 a day for 5-9 days
The woman saying she can protect herself... Almost certainly cannot.
When I worked with a bunch of doctors in a university setting, 100% of the time, if there were extra duties and the department chair asked for volunteers, ALL the female doctors would say "Not me!" But the men would concede to the extra duties without complaining. I watched this happen for 20 years. Every single time, men stood up, women sat down.
Dude in the Titans shirt. Spot on. It is not cool for the man to lose his cool when the pressure is on. Of course, as a strong women, mom should keep herself straight too.
And the irony is, liberal women are now complaining that they can't find strong men to date.
Food is a necessity also should it be free that’s a stupid argument from women. Just a ignorant statement. Thanks guys for the videos
Really interesting topic with tons of nuance on both sides. I think the thing that always bothers me from MOST arguments I see is that there doesn't usually seem to be a desire to seek common ground and cede points to one side or the other. It usually devolves into "NAH, NOT TRUE" and "WHAT ABOUT XYZ" arguments.
Meanwhile, in reality land, there's a point to be made about men having certain obligations that woman don't have, and vice versa. The problem comes when people start trying to compare them, and almost RANK the issues to see who should have more credibility. It's silly.
Eminem - Believe
Feminism forgets that men naturally express emotions differently, because of testosterone, men are more likely to showcase emotion with aggression whereas women are more likely to showcase them by crying. We can’t force men to cry when it’s not our natural reaction to do so, instead teach men how to use anger in a positive way and as a motivation tool. That’s where the real suppression is, not allowing men to express how we naturally are meant to.
So what happens when they both work all day? 😅
6:00 The two men missed it when they didn’t understand that men & women ARE DIFFERENT BUT ALSO EQUAL. I am actually shocked that someone actually thinks that women are on the level of children of equality with men… He’s young, hopefully he learns better or maybe he wants to put us back years and not allow us to vote or own land, etc without the man.
**Guy gets rejected and is crushed**
"Entitlement"
Getting crushed is not the entitled part, smart pants lmao.
@@boofert.washington2499 no, maybe look up the definition of entitlement, the way in which men feel entitlement manifests in different ways through sexual harassment, assault, controlling and objectifying women, men feel entitled to make advances or comments to women , this leads to cat calling or worse it can also play in different settings like in a marriage were men feel entitled to monitor and control their wives.
First of all you are not entitled to approach a stranger and of rejected there is no entitlement which allows you to grope her touch her or call her names for rejecting your advances period
@@boofert.washington2499 “human mating ritual” lmao what part of that ritual says u are entitled and can attack women whether verbally or physically which happens alllll the time when we reject men
@@celinemara565 are you dumb? When did he ever say that we're entitled to attack women or insult them for being rejected?
@@celinemara565 They absolutely do not, just because you live in a shit neighborhood doesnt mean all men act this way. That same men thinks hes entitled to your wallet and any woman alike. (To steal obviously)
bro didn't know that female lions caught the food
When they said toxic masculinity, in the beginning they almost had a point! Certain traits might be considered toxic, even though they can be useful. MIGHT. But now they wanna say masculinity as a whole is toxic. We're all potential grapists etc. Just because we have a d*ck. So we must all be dangerous. Women can be far more toxic than men imo. Just listening to their rants and the way they approach this issue shows that! Not all obviously, but the nutty ones reveal their hatred when they get all salty and unreasonable about it 😂
I read that wrong at first.
@@DarkLinkAD which bit lol
@@pickmeasinner " MIGHT. But now they wanna say masculinity as a whole is toxic. We're all potential grapists etc. Just because we have a d*ck. So we must all be dangerous"
At some point my brain told me me new context after the period. I thought you were stating from your point of view "Just because we have a d*ck. S"
@@DarkLinkAD ah right iget ya! Yea that was my fault for going off on a bit of an unclear rant lol
Sheila here...that’s Aussie slang for a woman! I completely agree with you, I’ve met way more toxic women than men. There are assholes on both sides but I’ve always found most dudes to be very respectful.
The black woman was talking about how she got sexual assault and your calling her emotions. She got emotional because the man wasn't listening to her.
I been a homeless, a drug addict and incarcerated this women who cry over mean words wouldnt last a day in the life.
What happened to her was not a man thing, it was an a$$hole thing. You can’t paint all men with the same brush. You can be masculine and tough and confident and not cry and be a completely kind-hearted man
Women have “locker room” talk too. People should stop dividing behaviour by gender and by personality type
Take this conversation guys and apply it to race. Then put women where you are as black men versus white men.
If you can protect yourself you don't need him to not harm you because you can protect yourself.... 😅
proclaiming yourself an "incel" is the opposite of what involuntarily celibate means - that kid was a clown