WHO WOULD BE THE WARDEN OF IMPERIUM SANCTUS?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Hi all Rho here! Today we ask who might Guilliman choose for the role of Warden of Imperium Sanctus?
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I'd really like it to be Kantor. Guilliman holds him in high regard and even went as far as saying "My brother would be proud of you and your chapter." It would also give them the perfect reason to release a new model of Kantor Primaris or Not.
Kantor will always have a wholesome room in my heart. He’s just the best of men.
He likes him cause they are blue also
I would agree if giving Dante the role meant a new model for him. :P
There’s a reason they were my first and only space marine army
@@solidsentinel1285 there's a complex reason to why they're mine. My Space Marine box is going to be Crimson Fists. Converting the captain to have Power Fist and Plasma Pistol.
*roboute plans to go on a trip*
Marneus: now's my moment! I shan't be sidelined for Dante again!
*The lion returns*
Marneus: ah crud, but makes sense, fair
*Lion goes to deal with the fallen*
Marneus: aaaalright here we g...
*A Wild Russ appears*
Marneus: I errr, are you ok?
*A wild Russ goes chasing a chaotic stick*
Marneus:. Well we might have dodged a bolter ther...
*Constantine appears*
Marneus: holy crap your...
*Constantine chases after Russ*
Marneus: I see ok, well time for me to shine...
*Dorn appears atop Vulkans shoulders*
Marneus: oh c'mooon!
*Cawing sounds from the moving shadows*
Marneus: what the fu....
This is beyond good. Touché good sir. Also, I dig the inquisitorial rosette 😎
*marneus at the end of all the shenanigans*
Why do u hate me so o emps??
@@treasurecave431 it’s not hate, its extreme-extreme love…
-Emps
Truth be told, this may really be howmit goes
You forgot Cato Sicarius and the alternate universe counterparts
Honestly a Custodes would be the best bet, he could debate you to a standstill, cut you to pieces or wack out the Lex and start quoting some 8000 year old set of rules and convention all the while playing a game of Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker.
Dante is hard to beat.
You had me at strip poker
I agree. Just promote Dante to Warden of The Imperium of Man ;)
@@awokensheep588 he is the king in north. I bet Logan. it would be a connection for Valdor and Russ returning.
I'd think the Custodes would reject such an offer. Valoris is pretty adamant that they should be seen as independent of the Imperial hierarchy.
@@displayname8948 Depends on the situation if Gil can get Big E to back him on it then doesnt matter how crazy the requests are Custodes will give it a go!
Even tho I am a Dark Angel, Tu'shan of the Salamanders. Salamanders are almost universally loved and fight to protect the common man. Even @ Armageddon Dante bowed to Tu'shan for the salamanders actions during the war.
I'd say Shrike. Dude cares about populations, and knows more than most about shadow operations, tactics and politics. He has the means and knowledge to keep the Imperium political scene from devouring him.
Politics...?
Good shout... But come on not in the Raven's style to be out in public view.
F 'em. Tu'Shan.
Seconded
Shrike, Tu’Shan, and Cantor as a triumvirate
I agree dorns sons are the best call. Not only are they famed as a first legion successor but they have a prime defensive mindset which it what sanctus needs. They already have ease of navigation and coordination (well, compared to elsewhere) so what they need is to hold ground while they get on the offensive out in nihilus
I think Pedro Kantor would be the best choice he got what it take. Guilliman was impressed with him and even said that if Dorn was still around he would also be impressed. After the Orks almost destroyed Crimson Fists chapter to over maybe 100 marines he convinced the High Lords of Terra not to disband his chapter. Also if I'm not mistaken Black Templars see Kantor and Crimson Fists as they equals so if Pedro needed they help they would do it without complaining
This. Pedro has also become a far more compassionate figure in the wake of Rynn's World. Good call.
Feel like they could also make it Pedro Kantor to bring him back into the light in the lore and maybe to have an event giving him a new Primaris model (aka true scale marine) model for the table top.
Pedro Kantor would be the first to say he is not worthy. Which is why he is very well suited for the job. And I will have none of this nonsense that as a 2nd founding chapter his is somehow less then the Imperial Fists or the Ultramarines. All of the socalled 1st founding chapters were founded in the 2nd founding when the legions were broken up. They were just the lucky ones who got to keep the legion's name. And in practice the Crimson Fists should be senior to the Imperial Fists as they were wiped out during the war of the Beast, only to be refounded. Having said Kantor is probably not a household name as Dante, Calgar and Grimnar are. That would handicap his rule from recalcitrant Imperial officials, let alone uppity Lords of Terra who would smell opportunity in Guilliman's absence.
If he has black templars respect then he is most worthy of the title, leading an empire has to be done with respect, not with power. Having someone who can show up, take control, then leave, without a single outcry, well that is a perfect leader.
The Crimson Fists are too weak a Chapter. You just do not rebuild your Chapter's numbers and fleet in a few years, not even in a pair of centuries. The Warden of Nihilus is both a civilian and military position, so would be the Warden of Sanctus. Kantor is therefore a no go.
Come on, in an insane world the only sane choice is Ciaphous Cain.
He's taking a breath after a class, "Ah, so peaceful, not being in the line of fire."
Guiliman walks in: Ciaphous, you're unretired from duty. I name you Warden of Imperiun Sanctus. You cannot refuse. Here's your laurel.
*Ci-Ci-Ciaphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium!*
“B-b-b-but I’m dead! They buried me!”
“And you thought that was the end of duty? Come on, get to work”
I like the idea of Kantor. Dude's on Bobby G's side for sure and actually cares about the populace. Not to mention he's fully on board with the primaris
40K lore had it that there were only 3 chapter masters so universally revered throughout the Imperium to be household names, Marneus Calgar, Dante and Logan Grimnar. Which is why Dante is leading Imperium Nihilus. Logic dictates that only Calgar and Grimnar have the reputation and fame that will make Imperial generals, ecclesiarchs, tech priests, civil servants and most importantly the Lords of Tera bow to them. As much as I like Pedro Kantor, and he is probably the best of the Imperial Fist family of chapter masters, not as tired and worn out as Calgar nor as impulsive as Grimnar, it remains to be seen that he will have the reputation and gravitas to make the Lords of Terra heed his words. The Custodes commander might, but he lacks the reputation outside of Terra.
Great breakdown
Me as a big Dark Angels Fan for 20 years think that Shrike, Tu shan and Pedro are very good choices for this waren position because all 3 of them value the populace of the Imperium.
But none of those candidates are dark angels...
@@johnnyscifi exactly showing that iam not DA bias when it comes to discussions and thoughts. the Dark Angels in this case Azrael would well do his hunt the Fallen wich is getting really tiresome and very very annoying after a while i mean there are like 40k memes about this topic alone. The Ultramarines got resurected from thier smurf meme status because of the return of their primarch i hope when the lion returns we will get the same treatment and then finally work more for the Empire and not our own little secret agenda
What about Tu'shan, he is FAMOUS for being about the regular people first? The Salamanders are well known for being true protectors of the imperium.
I think that's the problem with him. He is too invested in the individual, or small town, or even a single planet because he abhors the loss of civilian life. It's an noble quality, but if you are going to be in control of half of the Imperium, you need to be able to make the hard choices and not let your emotions influence your judgement. You need the type of leader who could sacrifice a few billion people in a battle in order to win a war.
Tu'shan would be awesome as Warden of Imperium Sanctus. I pick him because the Imperium needs to show that it cares for its citizens. For too long the common folk of the Imperium have been seen as nothing more than numbers on data slates to be sacrificed on a whim. Tu'shan's actions alone will show them that even the comparatively god-like members Astartes care about them, and will willingly sacrifice their own wellbeing for their sake. The Imperium, aside from the Emperor, is the people, show them that the Imperium gives a damn about them besides how they die, and it will never loose faith.
Tu'shan's willingness to save the Imperium's citizens is never a weakness, and I would argue that it is his, and the Salamanders, greatest strength. The Imperium desperately needs more of it too. Beside, Dante knelt to Tu'shan for his actions....that alone puts him shoulder to shoulder with everyone on this list...minus the Custodes.
If Guilliman has to appoint one person to do this job my vote is for Pedro. The way he has been written makes me think that he is the most balanced choice. With so many leaders of renown out there it is guaranteed that someone will feel snubbed. I think Kantor has the experience, respectability and sense of the big picture to succeed in this kind of roll.
I think it will be a masterful machiavellian move to appoint Azrael: Guilliman is no fool and he probably has noted the coordinated "legion-esque" behavior of the sons of the Lion and I bet he can also smell a common hidden agenda... Making Azrael the regent of Imperium Sanctus will force them to be more engaged and worried about the common benefit of the wider Imperium, a task they will be up to more easily than others, thanks to their already united character and experience in joint operations. I mean, you will be assigning
a space marine LEGION to guard half the Imperium while you can check them and their secret objectives
more closer, that's a win-win to me.
No Astartes is going to be able to rein in the High Lords of Terra while Guilliman is away. It can only be another Primarch. It's got to be Vulkan, Corax or The Lion. The Khan is too mercurial. Leman is too wild. Vulkan and Corax are the most understanding of normal Human needs. The Lion is probably unrivaled by any other Loyalist Primarch when it comes to political maneuvering and calculated decision making. It has to be The Lion. Stop hitting the snooze button.
Pedro Kantor has the heart and the head for the job and is universally respected
"And a man that embellishes everything that is good about the Adeptus Astartes."
Oh Mr Wolf Lord Rho, haven't you heard? There are no "goodies" in the warhammer universe apparently.
There are good people even if they aren't many in ghe spotlight.
Kantor is the most likely. But Helbrecht would be hilarious, imagine the high lords trying to argue with him.
From lore of the Universe Azriel is the best option and one of the best tactical minds in the Imperium. However using Meta knowledge Kantor is the best option as he is great at tactics and also values citizens, armies and his location close to the Segmentum Solar makes him a great pick.
Edit: Valoris would be perfect I agree but I think you are right he would not accept.
I'm going to have to agree with you, Rho. The lineage of Dorn is simply far better suited for administrative and political roles. Kantor would be in his element as a cold/calculating tactician, tempered by the moral and empathetic nature of his character. Astartes like Grimnar(my spiritual liege and favored chapter master) or Tu'Shan(2nd fave), while exemplary leaders and warriors, can better serve the Imperium fulfilling their true purposes. That being the immovable shield and unstoppable axe of the Imperium, respectively. And Azrael is far too immersed in shady Dark Angels shenanigans. Can't go running off hunting fallen and guarding secrets with half the Imperium to manage and protect. Also, I would love to see the Crimson Fists thrust into the spotlight. Kantor is a BEAST and as a chapter they have considerably more depth of character than the Imperial Fists. The enemies of the Emperor are insistin' on a fistin', and Pedro Kantor will oblige ✊
A Triumvirate! Calgar, Shrike, and Azrael.
I don't think it would be safe to put Calgar in charge... The Ultramarines are already being seen as a bit suspicious and some times a bit too close to heretical. Some in the Imperium would lose their shit if Guilliman were to put Calgar in charge; they would see it as Guilliman trying to turn the Imperium in a Realm of Greater Ultramar. However, if Calgar weren't in charge, then he would feel even more insulted and upset then he already is, which would be problematic, not to mention that his talent would be wasted.
Therefore, a Triumvirate of Wardens would be best, including Calgar, representing the Galactic East of Imperium Sanctus, Azrael for the West, and perhaps Shrike, for the Galactic South and internal borders of the Imperium Sanctus. The Imperial Fists are too blindly loyal to question anything, and the Black Templars will follow suite of the Phalanx (though while dragging their feet). The Salamanders likewise, they are irreproachable, and wouldn't even question not being part of the Triumvirate. They would be more than happy to follow the orders of Shrike, who shows very similar concerns for the Civilian populations. The Wolves of Fenris might be surprised and upset, and with Logan Grimnar being an equal to Dante and Calgar in legendary status... However they will remain fiercely loyal as they always have, and they are too busy with the Cicatrix to really be bothered with much else. They will probably do whatever they want and not listen much, but that's alright, they can keep on doing what they do best which is to scare the shit out of Chaos in their own realm.
How are the Ultra Marines ever been seen as "close to heretical?" They have one of the finest records of all the Legions bar none. They have served loyally and faithfully for centuries. The Imperial Fists also have an amazing history and are fiercely loyal as well. As for the Black Templars dragging their feet? I dont think the Templars have ever been accused of dragging their feet. If anything they are quick to judge and waste little time.
@@wReid-ts8bc Black Templars dragging their feet because of Guilliman's disagreements with the Ecclesiarchy and not recognizing the Emperor as a God. They also have history with the Codex Astartes, and don't like people telling them what to do, so they probably wouldn't really like a warden, or wardens.
Ultramarines as close to heretical because of Guillimant's return and the way the Ultramarines are representing change in a previously frozen age now. The primaris, new gear, Cawl, alliances and dialogues with xenos. The reforms on Terra and the Imperium. This and more, plus the fact that Guilliman is restoring the 500 Realms of Ultramar: to some, it might start to look like he is shaping a new Empire the way he wants it and not the way the Emperor meant it. Combine this with the discovery of a book detailing the history Imperium Secundus, and people will see this as a second attempt to Guilliman's past action. Which is why I thing that Calgar being the sole Warden would be bad. Inquisitors, governors and other powerful politicians would lose their shit. Most chapters would be totally fine with it though. As part of a Triumvirate, those same people won't be nearly as bothered with Calgar being a warden, since they'll see it as the other two balancing out his power and keeping him in check
I won’t lie, i was totally caught off guard when you suggested Tu’shan but I am all for it!
I was going to say Valoris, but I also think he might refuse. Then again, what better way to secure the Emperor than to safeguard the Imperium?
Logan Grimnar wouldn't be the worst choice.... But if you're going wolves the obvious choice is Bjorn the Fell Handed
Ofc it can only be the chapter master of Soul Drinkers
I would say Calgar, say what you want about the chief smurf but he is loyal to a fault and has led many a crusade!
Nah he angry at the primearch for calling him out on his mistakes
@@drip671 True but Guilliman would only choose one of his sons and it would be the ultimate insult if he chose any other over The Chapter Master
The entire point of making Dante official leader of the Northern half was that no one was in control there. The Santus half is controlled and as such don't require one.
I’m not gonna lie I feel like if Guiliman knew of Bjorn the Fellhanded’s persistence, He would go to Bjorn. As the sole loyalist space marine still alive from the era of the emperor with the gravitas and sheer unbending will that he has shown himself to have, he is a perfect candidate. Bjorn literally scares inquisitors and gains the respect grey knights like it’s nothing. He isn’t a chapter master and he isn’t super involved in his chapters issues as well, the main problems with Grimnar. It’s hard for me to pass Bjorn up especially when the other options are a rookie chapter master, Pedro Cantor who I’ll admit is a great choice, but doesn’t command nearly enough respect, Calgar an Ultramarine in the era of distrust towards the chapter/legion, or Trajan who if I’m honest probably will just end up saying no.
Regent Council made up of all of them each in charge of a particular area and then Trajan as the head or deciding vote in a tie, include the Wolves and Angels it is madness to exclude them, heck in your scenario I would say Roboute would almost certainly ask Logan to be Warden it is a no brainer if he wants to put a foot forward rather than just hold, just holding throws up your other suggestions.
Council of 7 with 6 Chaptermasters, Magos etc and Valoris as the seventh, then let everyone have at it with a strategic reserve in the Terran system constantly being sent out to reinforce losses or bolster successes also keep about a couple of thousand star forts in system in case anyone gets any ideas :)
While making Dante the Supreme military Commander of all the different forces was a great call, Guilleman can't make one in the Imperium proper.
Terra and the High Lords are there, and they are in command. No space marine would be allowed to assume greater command authority.
Logan Grimnar is a strong possibility regardless of the his animosity towards Guilliman the divisive. The wolves have the numbers and I’m sure would relish in retaking their mantle has the emperors executioners and wardens it could also be used as a lure to draw magnus out of hiding.
He's on the wrong side of the rift if I'm right. If I'm not yes he's obvious and best choice.
Logan Grimnar in charge of Imperium Sanctus would be worth it if only because it would scare the Inquisition shitless.
Logan Grimnar is the only Chapter Master that Guilliman bent the knee to, (Wolftime Book) and he’s the only Chapter Master to defeat a Traitor Primarch
They were written so badly in the latest dawn of fire novel. Came across as unreasonable and petulant. Gav didn’t do Logan justice
@@lizadon0740 he on the south side fenris is south of the eye of terror ne of terra on every map I’ve seen.
Id say Tu Shan then I'm a salamander so I'm a bit biased.
I could really see it being Calgar, and not just from a plot pov
From a meta perspective what better way to prove to the unforgiven and the sleeping Lion that Robute is a threat playing Emperor and grabbing power for himself. And from the primarchs POV Calgar is a logical choice even if it's the wrong one, this would create plenty of plot opportunities
The Marneaus Calgar comic was pretty phuquing dope.
I dare say he could choose Logan Grimnar. 1400 years of service. Both the Ecclesiarhy AND the Inquisition don't try screwing with him.
Inquisition might take it personally though
"no marine south of the rift who matches dante" completely forgets Bjorn the Fellhanded exists
He's north if Im correct.
And a dread, though i wonder, if Lazarus came back from being destroyed way beyond a dread, coudnt dreads go primaris con come back renewed? Would be cool for ancients to walk again.
Aren't Dreadnoughts put into hibernation between battles? Not exactly optimal for ruling.
Tu'Shan would make an amazing choice I think. Salamanders are a very well respected chapter.
"While there may not be any legendary figures quite up to the status of Dante south of the rift" ....
Logan Grimnar? He's more than proven his mettle, his deeds are just as legendary, and he has shown complete devotion to the human citizens of the Imperium. As well as his utterly incorruptible soul. Just saying
Buuut…. Considering the amount of shit he’s pulled, it might not be the best bet. Especially given the inquisition’s tendency to assassinate people.
@@ranger3576 They sent a contingent of Inquostitors, Grey Knights, and imperial navy against Logan and he sent them packing...I'm not too worried about his safety for "He *is* the danger"
@@pecthemage1334 TBF though, most of that force hated the lord inquisitor leading the operation and nearly mutinied before they assaulted Fenris. So I’d say that the force was most definitely not at fighting capacity, and the task force was more there to threaten the planet into submission than anything else. Plus, the Inquisition never sent assassins against the Space Wolves. And while I agree that Logan and his chapter are amazing in a stand up fight, I don’t think he’d survive a callidus or culexus assassin. Heck if the Inquisition is petty enough, they’ll start doing to the space wolves what they did to the celestial lions. Remember, the inquisition is very powerful and has close ties to the Assassinorum. Don’t underestimate those assassins. Look what happened to the high lords.
Okay but didn’t the last remaining imperial fist during the war of the beast become the leader solely due to him being the only survivor? Seems like that was just luck and happenstance.
I just made this comment before seeing yours. I just finished the first volume
My best bet is on the emperial fist because of their experties in siege warfare and stuborness to retreat a quality must have to be a warden.
I would say either a Dark Angel or an Imperial Fist. The Dark Angels, Imperial Fists, and Ultramarines are the Loyalist Chapters best suited to administration and appointing an Ultramarine could give the appearance of favoritism which Roboute' Guilliman can NOT afford rigjt now.
As much as I love me some Dark Angels, they've become waaaaaay too insular and out of touch with the rest of the Imperium to be effective in that role.
Ultramar may as well be a third section of the Imperium is how important it is be.
An Imperial Fist, a SW or even a custode would be good
Kryptman
Wild card. Put Cawl in charge
Tushan! He has the trust and respect of Dante and that speaks volumes!
Question what's the latest book for 40k
Head of the Hydra (Alpharius Book) is one of the latest and is Awesome!
@@Duppyman695 thx
I beleive it would make sense for Trayan Valoris to take the position. when I thought about a Regent for Terra my mind went straight to the 10k because it would mean the emperor has a tighter grip on the reins of the Imperium. Sure he might reject it,b but the coming box set does pit the GSC against the Custodes, not the Imperial Fists. And if you make the Regent someone separated from terra it would give the impression of reducing the importance of the Homeworld, possibly justifing the Lords of Terra to act publically against Guilliman. If it isnt the Imperial Fists, or the Custodes, the only other possible choice is a Human, and it makes political sensce for them to also be a High Lord. If it came down to it, Morvenn Vahl is currently the best choice for non-astartes.
Gulliman must have these two criteria to avoid civil war: 1. From Terra 2. either a Chapter Master or a Higlord. Unless there is a Zero2Hero case just waiting in the shadows.
I think Pedro Kantor would be the best choice. Not a first founding chapter, but the best balance of humanity and cold calculation as well as very well respected by just about everyone.
No less out of the box choice than Valoris.... but what about Bjorn? Sure he is a dreadnaught, but who could question his wit, wisdom and experience?
Being a dreadnaught comes with many drawbacks. You need someone who can be very active and dreadnaughts especialy ancient ones need frequent sleep.
Bjorn is only ever awoken for space wolf rituals and when Fenris is in danger. He can’t stay awake or politically active enough to run half the imperium
Gorillaman: and I have chosen one of you to lead the imperium in this prestigious position
Imperial fist: we would be honored to live up to our fathers name and accept thi..
Gorillaman: Helbrecht
Imperial fists: ...wut?
Black templars: politicking with my kiiiinnnn!!!!
Trajan is a smart choice, but hes already a High Lord... very unwilling , but still.
Morks teef dese zoggin humies are pafetic! Always standin round talkin bout "Emprah dis Emprah dat" Itz easy see? Whoever is da BIGGEST and da KILLYEST is da Boss... unless some other git BIGGA n more KILLY dan him shows up dat is
The issue is that Guilliman would want someone most like himself but still be politically acceptable and as such would only pick astartes or custodes. Gregor Dessian and Kayvaan Shrike would be considered too inexperienced given that they only recently became chapter masters. Pedro Kantor for all his reputation is still from a successor chapter and simply wouldn't have the needed clout (the same goes for all the other successors). Tu'Shan is too compassionate. Marneus Calgar wouldn't be politically acceptable. Logan Grimnar, Jubal Kahn, Kardan Stronos and Trajan Valoris all would either refuse the position or be considered unsuitable due to their respective natures and Asterion Moloc would be all kinds of NOPE! Which just leaves Azreal. He is experienced, has the clout of a founding chapter (especially as the former 1st legion), is tactically astute, has the absolute military backing of the unforgiven, is cold enough to make the hard calls. Is willing to take on organisations like the inquisition, would likely have the begrudging respect of the custodes given what the emperor thought of the Lion's loyalty and has a command structure within the Dark Angels able to seamlessly handle his absence with Belial ready and waiting to step up. Also if Guilliman knows their secret (which given that it's Guilliman is highly likely) he would likely appoint Azreal so that he could keep the unforgiven in line as the spotlight would truly be on them.
Though the organisations of the Adeptus Terra can not be trusted, some form of interaction is needed. Point of reference, The Beast Arises. As an act of desperation, the last Imperial Fist was made Lord Guillaman. Precedent is there. Though, my personal choice would be Chapter Master Pedro Kantor. The Crimson Fists have been through so much upheaval. Pedro Kantor has been tested!
the part about DORN is you main problem in all of your opinions. The Black Templars have a much more higher regard then the fists because they standing much closer to what the IMPERIUM is now. I mean they have a great connections to the church. (But thats a thing Guilliman doesnt want)
What about Logan Grimnar? He is the second longest serving Chapter Master, fiercely respected by Space Marines and Astra Militarum alike, he cares for the people of the Imperium and would make sure to keep the Inquisition in check.
The Chapter Master of the Mentors is apparently shrewd as heck, and has had various audiences with the Emperor. Unfortunetly Aaron Dembski-Bowden implied he may be a jerk.
Suddenly Charcharadon Astra appear. Gman should have a chat with Tyberos.
I think a base Human should be left in charge, the Emperor created the Imperium for them, no for Space Marines to rule, that is why he chose the High Lords to rule and not his sons. IF you insist on a chapter master the obvious choice is Helbrecht. Bond with faith, keep shunning Calgar to keep that going and the other Fists chapters are meh. Who even leads the fists? Lol. Crimson fists? Please, they have a home world (well most of one) very un-fist like.
The Captain General. Full stop. No other choice. Immune to Chaos, will never betray the Imperium and forces the Custodes to get off the sidelines
@10:50 Next problem when sometimes I could get rreally furious. WHY??? There is no reason for that assuption. They are as old as the IF chapter. They stayed together as a legion but then became both their own chapters. And btw... The Black Templars are maybe much more famous then most other first founding chapters. As in the lore and in reality too.
I think Calgar is the only real choice other than Valoris. One thing to consider, Guilliman had faced a coup attempt by the deposed High Lords of Terra. After he dealt with them, by and large, he's the only real power in Holy Terra. With that in mind, I think he could safely install Calgar into the high office of Warden of Imperium Sanctus.
I don't know - I think Logan Grimnar's track record as a defender of humanity - willing to go to war with the inquisition to save the Emperors own servants - is a great choice. You know he has the balls to stand up for the imperium against the treacherous high lords (and other powerful entities). Probably the custodians would have his back if it came to that - along with other astates legions... I mean, he killed grey nights and inquisitors and is still there... Plus given the authority of RG himself - no one would mess with him...
Pedro Kantor is easily the best choice as warden of Imperial Sanctus. He is pretty much up there with the best of them. Able to recover his chapter from extinction multiple times. He has earned his accolades.
He is steady in moments of tough descision making. A master fighter with his shiny red fist and storm bolter. Yet also in countenance, he has compassion and humanity to those who follow in his shadow.
Helbrecht while brilliant strategist and a combatant would only concern himself in the destruction of the Emperor's enemies. A Salamander would think of the people first, but not make the tough descision that would be needed.
It comes full circle in a poetic way. The Crimson Fists after all were founded by the Imperial Fists Space Marines who showed promise and renown. The same Space Marines even divided into small fleets were able to push back traitor fleets as if they were a legion.
I could easily see Azrael being a contender instead - it might be a cool step along the way to tension between the two halves of the imperium if the Unforgiven have to choose between duty to Rowboat and their obsession with the Fallen. WE all know it would be a bad pick, but XIII doesn't...
As a son of The Lion I agree with the choice of a son of Dorn being chosen. While I think either Kontor or Gregor would be an excellent choice my backing goes to Gregor. I believe that having the leader of the Imperial Fists (and the leader of the remade legion should the need arise) as the warden would be better than the Ultramarines, not because they couldn’t do a superb job, but because it is my opinion that they should accompany Guilliman on his crusade
Are you mad? You need to remove Wolf lord from your name. The space wolves, Logan grimnar is perfect for the reasons the salamanders aren’t. They will protect the people but till able to make the tough decisions. Grimnar is said to be the oldest chapter master second only to Dante. They have bjorn who would by his mere presence quell any disquiet as he’s done to inquisitors and grey knights. The imperial fists are boring every one of them. The warden doesn’t need to be In r the midst of everything but have the leadership and experience to command when needed which grimnar has shown countless times. .
Tu’shan makes perfect sense and would likely make the imperium a better place. So obviously it will never happen.
I think it's obviously only one choice for that! High Marshal Hellbrecht!
He has been in command of the biggest chapter of Astatis and it's not even close to anyone else.
No pite! No remorse!
IMO he should appoint Captain General of the Custodes. It would be nest choice to stop the political leaders from tearing the Imperium from the inside.
Man, it feels like its been forever since the Crimson Fists were the focus of anything. They were on the cover of the early codexes and everything.
Calgar would be a political mistake. The Warden would need to be anyone other than an Ultramarine. I'm thinking the way things are going a returned Primarch would more likely share leadership
I don't think any of those are really realistic. I like them all, but all of them have significant weaknesses which would prevent them from successfully doing the job. It needs to be someone diplomatic, with notoriety that has the ability to make the hard decisions and manage multiple projects and not many of the Astartes fit that description outside of Calgar but he is too close to papa smurf. I agree Terra needs to remain the center of governance though. Dante was without doubt the perfect choice, I think it show go to the space wolves or the black templars.
Honestly, the custodes is the best choice.
He's allready on the goverment, he'd just have final say where he wants.
Pedro Kantor for sure. He’s already proven that he won’t turn his back on the common folk. He sacrificed military efficiency in order to carry an exhausted, terrified young mother and her children instead of eliminating them. Kantor understands balance.
Tu'shan, as the Salamanders actually give a shit about the population and the Imperium is sorely in need of some humanity!
I genuinely thought you misspelled "secundus" in the title, the thumbnail and in the description.
Helbrecht would admit himself that he was not the man for the job. A Son of Dorn would be the best option as Guilliman won't abandon Ultramar and needs Clagar to make sure it is secure.
Gimme another Macharius. Where is the next warmaster? Or uhh... Solar..
Why not Cato Sicarius?
It is I Cato Sicarius, the true son of Rowboat Papa smurf etc etc etc
Anyone got any audible recommendations for current law as I have all of the Horus heresy and the normal Eisen horn series and but I can't find anything on the return of girlyman and the events that lead up to it
After reading about kantor,i have to cast my vote for him. he is like a guilliman 2.0
“No one gets to be chapter master through luck or happenstance”
Umm, War of the Beast, Slaughter of the Imperial Fists?
M32 sure was a crazy time.
Same thing happened to Dante, he was voted in because everyone else was basically dead. He had some great victories before hand but still, he was the only Captain remaining.
I dont think it would be Marneus just like he wouldnt take the crown himself in the unremembered empire
I would pick a 'Dark ' horse and Pick Gabriel A Angelos!
Gaunt
This has happened before, the warmaster was selected with the same kind of idea in mind. Yes I'm a heretic and I'm proud to admit it.
He has to give it to Phanta Claws. It's time for the Night Haunter to get back in the game.
Im hoping he chooses my guy pedro, its very sad that the crimson fists are so sidelined when once they were the posterboys.
"Pedro Kantor, a man with the *iron inside* to make the cold decisions necessary."
Hey, wait a minute!
didnt Kantor die in the last Guilliman vs Death Gaurd book though?
As much of a Salamanders fan as I am I think they may be just a smidge too soft for the roll.
@Wolf Lord Rho Hey man. You plan on playing Total War: Warhammer 3?
He would appoint sly marbo who could argue with AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Kal Jericho and Ciaphus Cain, alternate months!
Definitely won't be grimnar after their altercation in Wolftime
I’d turn to the custodies since they won’t take shit from anyone.
I vote Kantor
Nisk Ran-Thawll of the Mentors.