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Russians (Su-27 Family): Let's see if we can get drunk without alcohol. Europeans (Typhoon): Let's throw this thing in full afterburner for ten minutes and see how hard it is to stall this thing. Americans (F-22): Let's make this plane stick to the sky like a booger sticks to a wall. I like seeing these planes and the different styles the pilots use. :D
+wesley mccurtain Hi Wesley, I'm a "Kraut" in Germany.LOL Seriously, I love your American " F-22 RAPTOR ". Let's stick together, particularly in these days as the "IS - Islamic State" is permanently threatening our freedom and democracy.with violence. We all know about the recent terror atack in Paris, France a few days ago. So let's kick those asses upstairs ...not to heaven, but to Pluto. Our government has decided to support France. So Germany will support the Alliance against Irak and Syria by delegating 1 frigate as to be on escort duty to the French aircraft carrier "Charles Degaulle", and furthermore the number of 6 jets "Tornado", and moreover 1.200 military personell. That's my country's first contribution. Germany ows it to its Brothers in Arms. Wesley, I beg your pardon for my poor , bad English. You know English it not my first language, not my mother language. German is my native language. So please forgive me if I made too many mistakes in grammar, spelling and writing. Take care, mate. Best regards from Germany, Rainer
This plane is easily one of the most advanced and best fighters in the world and you can't argue with that. I mean c'mon a jet made with technology by England, France, Germany and Italy's top defense and aerospace company's is gonna be an insane jet.
Barrie Rodliffe Yes the F-22s 99-0 kill ratio means it's not as good as the Typhoon. People are ignorant. I'm not saying the typhoon is terrible which its not but there is no contest when the F-22 is in the skies.
These comment sections are always filled with patriots from their respective countries claiming their aircraft is the best, truth be told because their country made it! How blind of people. The Eurofighter is the fastest aircraft of its type with the longest range. It is designed to be aerodynamically unstable to make it so manoeuvrable. This is a British/German piece of engineering with both countries having hands in the development of this aircraft, with Spain and Italy manufacturing a few of the components. EF was designed from the beginning to be upgradable. BAE systems are already developing stealth lock-on missile and laser guns for this aircraft.
Oliver Newell Kinda romantic, isn't it? Germany and the UK spent the first half of the 20th century building amazing machines to fight each other, and in the last half and beyond worked to make machines of performance untold, together.
Doctor Cthulhu Pretty much, but remember WW2 was just 6 years of what else was a very close and cooperative relationship between Germany and the UK. Waterloo, for example. Both countries hate the French just as just. We are natural allies, not enemies.
@souro19 If I remember correctly, the Su-27 can turn over backwards in mid flight and fire a couple missiles and finish the flip while maintaining momentum in one direction the entire time
Kin hell; he can fly that missile - aircraft have come a long way since the Sopwith Camel was the RAFs primary front line fighter. Hard to believe how quickly aviation technology has developed.
The comments are out of date, the radar is superb, the helmet display gives a whole warfare picture night vision included it ties up with the F35 electronically for a big picture, I think it had the Meteor missile first. The air to ground weapons cover most requirements. Typhoon has already carried out some difficult ground to air missions. It even has uprated engines available, but doesn’t need them yet.
The Typhoon is basically the top maneuvering fighter around at the moment. Reason? When RAF pilots flew them against Indian airforce SU30s a few years ago, the Indian press deliberately misquoted RAF pilots, changing the word "Tornado" to "Typhoon". The real quote was "As anticipated, the SU30 was more maneuverable than the TORNADO ( no surprise there) but IAF pilots were surprised by the agility of the Typhoon." So why change the quote? Well, cos the Typhoon ran rings around the SU30, and the tranche 3 aircraft get vectored thrust nozzles.
Apples to Oranges, they're both multirole fighters but they excel at different things, the Eurofighter was designed to be naturally unstable and have computerised systems to keep it flying, this makes it very agile as it actually wants to spin, turn and tumble, the F-35 has more advanced electronic warfare capabilities, stealth and the ability to be used on aircraft carriers.
High speed flying with good clear airflow over/past wings and control surfaces is easy basic flying physics. It's low speed without much airflow/semi stall situations when flying physics gets stretched. ua-cam.com/video/XLzfUADizFs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/XLzfUADizFs/v-deo.html
I agree that the high AOA stuff is mostly useless in a dogfight, but the Su-35S has the same burst turn rate as the Typhoon, they both have helmet mounted sights, both have +60 degree SRM's, both have similar combat ranges, both have active thermal tracking systems, both have the similar RCS's and AESA radar with similar proforming MRM's... and the Su-35S costs less than half as much as a Typhoon. It's like comparing an M-16 to an AK-47. Both can kill you, but the Russian's do it cheaper.
I had DID's EF2000, a windows 95 game and it was a great simulator. Whenever I see the typhoon flying it feels like I'm seeing an old friend, at age 6 I called it EFA pronounced "Eafer". I'm glad it's doing as well as it is. It's an asset to the RAF and the other air forces that accommodate it.
It's not just the canard's that make the typhhon so good with the aerobatics, the design of the plane is actually aerodynamically unstable and its complex computer system helps to keep the plane in flight. I knew someone who worked at BAE and developed some of the safety protocols that prevented the computer system from suffering a major meltdown to keep the plane safe and flyable.
The Eurofighter programme is the western powers playing catch up with the advanced designs of the Mig29 and the Su27 and her variants. One would shudder to think how capable are the fully operational frontline SU-35s and Mig35s can do. They are extremely agile and have advanced avionics these days.
For example, the RAF use the Typhoon mainly as an air superiority fighter whereas the F-35B variants they have on order will be used as multirole fighters, able to be used on short, quickly set up runways due to the STOVL capability. The Royal Navy will also use the F-35B on the new HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, does not make the Eurofighter obsolete, just suitable for a different purpose.
Monster LMA never. The F22 can not even beat the Eurofighter in a dogfight so how should the turkey aka F35 could be able to. The F35 has to small wings to turn like the Eurofighter can do so your statement is bogus.
Simple really. The F-35 produces more thrust and it's smaller wing is no greater disadvantage than the inefficient delta used on current Europhoons. The Europhoon wing leading edges on Europhoons are being redesigned as we speak. The aircraft bleeds too much energy in repeated turns, which makes it harder to carry a decent ground weapon load and (judging by Reuters last year) impossible to fit Conformal Fuel Tanks. I really have to laugh at the people writing off the F-35 who seemingly ignore the fact that Europe already flies an aircraft with limited capability that is difficult to adapt, costly to own and maintain and consequently has no sales. Europhoon is in such bad shape I can't believe people find the time to throw mud at the USA, when BAE and Airbus presided over a jet fighter that nobody wants after only 10 years of frontline service, in which time, I might add, it has seen little action.
The RAF test pilot was talking the company line. If anybody bothers to look up the published performance figures for the F35, for which the contract specs have had to be reduced so it could pass the tests, you would see it aint in the same ball park as the Typhoon, agility, acceleration and speed wise.
MUPPETROLF! It's you! Biggest yank plane fanboy bullshitter on the planet! I love the way you give an impression of being some fighterplane expert when you're TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT!
What rubbish. F-35 is not designed solely for air combat, unlike the useless Europhoon. F-35 is a true multi purpose aircraft with a ground attack component already built in. Most unlike Eurojoker. The Harrier is the same. Flexible multi role and deadly in the right hands. Only it's inventors no longer fly it. Fancy cancelling the Harrier to be left with useless old shit like Tornado and useless new shit ( that nobody wants or can afford ) like Europhoon. Roll on F-35. A decent American jet like the ones Britain should have bought years ago. Why should the Danes, Dutch and the Belgians have better fighter aircraft (F-16) than the RAF? Scandal. All borne of our stupid attitude to European politics. And it's cost us dear.
It may be easy to fit the nozzles, but Typhoon's 'carefree handling' limits & assistance would need totally re-working to make full use of the benefits of tvc. In normal wingborne flight, providing that the control surfaces have sufficient control authority, tvc may not particularly enhance manoeverability - since the aircraft's ability to manoever depends on the wing's ability to produce the required lift, regardless of whether control comes from the engine nozzles or the elevons & foreplanes.
I asked a USAF pilot. He said if he were in anything other than a Raptor, he would not want to mess with a Eurofighter. I was surprised to find it could outmaneuver all of the US planes!(except the F-22). I wouldn't be surprised if it really was the best 4th generation fighter.
great vid- but at air displays they will insist on playing loud music over the flight line why i dont know real enthusiasts like to hear the sound of engines and i think you the camrerman would agree ......
And to think the UAE are favoring the Rafale over the Typhoon, must be doing some sort of BOGOF deal, to date Typhoon has sold over 700 to 6 countries worldwide meanwhile Rafale has yet to see a single aircraft sold outside of France.
Well, on the 6 countries, 4 are from the consortium, so it's normal. And the 2 others, you know there is a corruption case about the sell of the Eurofighter Typhoon in Austria and Saudia Arabia ?
All contracts have interests behind countries like the Typhoon has lost some competition to be better the conditions of your opponent, in other contests has been chosen the best, and yet that the country has not chosen, France is giving the Rafale, making offers that no country can match. The Rafale is a great aircraft and has advantages such as being able to embark, which would be impossible with the Typhoon.
neage59 the Saudis have just agreed to pay BAE more for the ones they already ordered and are ordering further aircraft. The Austrian thing is piss and wind ... India has gone cold on the Rafale over quality and licence build issues and even France has reduced its own order. But at least Brazil saw sense and rejected the Rafal and F15 and bought the Saab Gripen ...
ianrkav 36 plus maintenance for Brazil and the Swiss have also bought them. Britain makes about 50% of the Gripen but will lose work to Brazil as part of the home sourcing requirement.
Just to clarify my position. I love the typhoon, I think it's an excellent aircraft and will destroy what it was designed to destroy; the Su-27 series. Once it has a viable AESA I think the only Russian platform that will touch it is the T-50, and we have no idea how capable, or not, that will end up being. The F-22A and Typhoon were not designed to fight each other, but the F-22 does offer some capabilities the Typhoon does not. Given the cost of the program i dont know why anyone is surprised
I'm always a fan of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Eurofighter Typhoon = defender of the free world! I do not care f22 and f35! Now and forever Eurofighter Typhoon fan!!!
At Red Flag Alaska 2012, the Eurofighter won nearly every WVR simulation against the F-22. A German pilot even stated: "Yesterday, we had Raptor salad for lunch!" The F-22 loses to much speed through TV.
Both did, however, manage to track the Raptor with IRST. The Rafale failed to get a proper lock even within 10's of feet, but the Typhoon managed it making 4 kills in testing. This was out of 20 simulated 1v1 fights. I still haven't seen anywhere say how many Typhoon's where shot down and how many of the 16 other fights ended in a draw. The Rafale lost 2, and stalemated 4.
+DINDRAGON Isn't the Herbst maneuver what Americans call the J-turn? The F-22 can do that--an example can be found in the following video at the 32 second mark: ua-cam.com/video/79YDaenv_UU/v-deo.html As I recall, the F-16 MATV/VISTA test aircraft could perform this maneuver, as well, with its multi-axis ("3D") thrust vectoring nozzle. Note that unlike the X-31 and F-16 MATV/VISTA, the F-22 can perform the maneuver without thrust vectoring. :)
Sure, the F-35 rules... Once they solve the cracking bulkhead problems, stop the afterburner from damaging the airframe, get the weight down to an acceptable level, fix the lightning strike sensitivity, the tailhook, the helmet mounted display, the oxygen generator, and so on and so forth... Other than that, everything's fine.
Jashim Uddin The Eurofighter has better thrust to weight ratio and climb. The Rafale has better air to ground capabilities in terms of heavy weapon loads and still being able to pull of G’s.
Ivan Panchev Well, it's entering service next year according to (I don't remember which one) either the RuAF or Russian MoD. But it's had a hell load of problems with it's turbines.
One of the reasons why the Typhoon can turn so tight is the fact it used what was learned from the Rockwell/MBB X-31 research plane. That's why the Typhoon flies a lot like the X-31.
Not quite. The Typhoon was developed from the Bae EAP which first flew in 1986. First flight of the MBB X-31 was 1990, so I think both test aircraft were invaluable to the Typhoons development.
Hahaha extreme maneuverability? This showed high g-loading and high thrust/weight ratio, but boring as hell maneuvers. Can't compare to su 35 with thrust vectoring.
Andy C They aren't designing it, it's already ready for deployment. But it's not needed, as it can already turn as fast as the F-22 and Su-35. A carrier based Typhoon would have TVC though.
Sarge Rho I am not sure if a Typhoon is same maneuverable than a SU 35. There might be in a fight a few more properties make the points, but it is in my mind impossible to compare here with a SU 35
As I understand it they already did and rejected it, and for good reason. Make no mistake about it 'thrust vectoring is rubbish, its good for air shows and that's about it. Thrust vectoring is a bit like having turbo on a combustion engine trying to get out of an engine what integrally it can't actually do. The same goes with planes, its to get them to do what the air frame isn't actually capable of doing on its own, and just like lag with turbos thrust vectoring when used reduces significant air speed which frankly is the last thing you want in a dog fight. THRUST VECTORING IS GOOD FOR AIR SHOWS PERIOD.
Stealth doesn't matter with an IR-signature as gib as the F-22's. The Eurofighter's IRST can locate the F-22 from a distance of 100km. Stealth only halps against outdated aircrafts and not against hightech fighter jets.
You have just no idea of superpower engineering! This video doesn't pay the Typhoon credits though. It outperforms each and every US or Russian fighter with ease as it climbs faster and turns harder than any other fighter on this planet! The Typhoon pilots first used the pressure suits from the Raptor pilots ... but it was not enough and so better performing suits were developed specially for the Typhoon pilots. Any questions?
StefanR0 It certainly does. Chief of staff of USAF said he had flown all the great fighters in the world and this is the best. I'll go along with that. I haven't. But, I have seen it many times in a non combat role, and just seeing this thing flying and doing what it does in practice flights gets the hairs on the back of your neck standing up, most maneuverable multi combat aircraft.
Just so you know, the Typhoon was built to be unstable so that it would be incredibly manoeuvrable. The electronic systems are there to keep it steady when they aren't in contact. It's much better than the F-22 Raptor in terms of manoeuvrability. Although, I'm sure many Americans will disagree, as they always do.
@atmodom I suppose that if figthers have stealth to a point where there is no radar/heat signature (not this typhoon) it is possible that pilots will have to red barron it. I would guess by that time missles would have vision systems (similar to javelin) or perhaps energy weapons (which I guess you have to get into visual range at least). For the latter, the attacker would just need to make sure the target is in the cone of fire/sensor, but not necessarily directly in front.
Bobby Johnson What does India? And, the T-50 will produce... next year the aircraft will start to act in combat units... greetings from undemocratic and terrible, cold RUSSIA...
***** Maneuverability is very important in dogfights. I know it is hard for westerners to admit that Russians are really good at what they do. Vector thrusting, stealth technology, and many other innovations came from Russia.
***** I assume you don't know much about science, engineering, and math beyond high school or entry level college at most. You can do all the experiments you want in the world, until you can't put them into a mathematical language, your theories are meaningless and baseless. Scientific community knows him as the father of the stealth technology. Video games community may find him otherwise. The former is all that matters.
***** If you are a true scientist or engineer, you would appreciate the Russian technology. However, you speak more like one those failed politicians or lawyers in the office. What are your thoughts on NASA relying on Russian engines to take them to space? Is that also propaganda?? US is surely on the decline, but the achievements they have over the last few decades is thanks to stolen technology or scientists from elsewhere.
+AF A If Russia invented stealth then why are they still trying, and failing, to design an aircraft with this capability? The PAK FA is a disaster with poor stealth characteristics, even Russia know this hence why they are only ordering 12 units to be kept in reserve.. America have had a stealth fighter in service for 10 years now (F22 Raptor) with a second (F35B) going into IOC afew months ago. As for 3D thrust vectoring, it looks great at airshows, but in the theatre of war it's useless.. One example is a SU35 bleeding off all its energy doing a cobra whilst a Eurofighter pilot just uses his/her helmet targeting system to look at, and shoot down its enemy, no nose pointing needed when all you need to do is look at your target to a get lock-on.. 3D vectoring has been simulated on the EF and fitted to the F16 for testing, both found no real benefits in combat.. The latest EF's rolling off the production line will however be fitted with the latest aerodynamic pack, which will give it upto 25% more lift & an improved roll rate of upto 100%.. The high angle of attack will also be vastly improved which will keep it ahead of the game. If Russia spent less on propaganda & more into testing & design they might actually build something that can compare to western 4+/5th gen fighters, then they might get some units sold.. The SU35 has less than 100 on order whereas the Eurofighter is currently at 599 ordered with more expected, Rafale 250+, Gripen 300+, F22 187 with no export available.. That's before I mention the thousands of F35's that will be built for the 11 countries that have ordered it.. But an internet warrior knows better than the 30+ countries military experts that have chosen western fighters ahead of anything Russian, including 3 of the BRICS nations, even Vietnam are looking at Western options now.. Hilarious!
The Typhoon does have a third longer combat radius but it's rate of climb is 315 meters per second to the F-22 estimated 300, so if it is higher it isn't by much. Top speed is another difficult issue as the Typhoon is estimated to be something over Mach 2, while the Raptor is estimated to be over Mach 2.2, so we simply don't know which is faster. The newest AMRAAM is built with lock after launch capability, so it can be launched at its max range of 90 miles, and lock on its own at closer range.
I'm sorry but this plane is a joke from an operational point of view. He never proved nothing in opération..The Rafale is the only trully omnirole fighter in the world and combat proven, say otherwise would be a lie !
It's why the Rafale humiliated many times the Eurofighter, in exercices (ATLC, Solenzara) and during technical evaluations (Swiss, Dutch, Singaporian, Korean).
Dean Kaye Swiss : The government wanted the cheaper aircraft, as you can see, the Swiss government chose the Gripen, which had not passed the minimum requirement, it also why the Swiss army published the report, because Swiss army chose the Rafale. Dutch : The US proposed to the Dutch to join the JSF program, on the paper the F-35 is better and less expensive. Today the Dutch regret this choice. Singapore, South Korea : The US have a very big influence on these countries, it was easy for the Americans to convince them to choose the F-15, even if the Rafale was better in both evaluations. We can also add Morocco : The US proposed to increase the financial aid if Morocco buy F-16. On the other side you have the Eurofighter which was sold to Austria and Saudi Arabia, but EADS is suspected to bribe both countries to sell the Eurofighter...
According to my knowledge Stealth technology can not bring any advantage in terms of manoeuvrability for fighter jet - the point is that even that Stealth technology works not in favour of aerodynamics and manoeuvrability modern technology is using some other "tricks" to make it turn very good - and it is good opponent to E.Typhoon and Su-35 : can't say which of those is better (in dog fight) but for me its clear that those are THE BEST :-)
Was at RIAT 16. Eurofighters flew great demonstrations. F-22: big build build up on Tannoy, roared into the sky to tremendous verbage about this aeroplane's abilities. A couple of minutes later a warning light came on in the cockpit and it had to land. Good job there was a spare to fly off to Duxford to honour the American Lads that fell in WWII.
I completely agree with your last statement. Neither the Typhoon or Raptor has been used in combat yet, so we can only speculate to the effectiveness of the systems. They should BOTH turn out to be outstanding combat aircraft. Keep in mind they have different roles though....
Typhoon's AESA, when they actually field it, is a first generation system. AN/APG-77 is already including some 3rd gen components. IRST's cannot cue a BVR missile shot because they don't provide range information. Thus you are limited to the effective range of your LRF. It's no replacement for an FCR. Plus the F-22A can actually supercruise, so you wont see a burner plume. AIM-120D has excellent kinematic performance, better than any other in service missile. NEZ depends on early detection
1) Look, both missiles have a finite amount of energy at the point of launch; essentially the altitude difference between launcher and target, the energy of the launcher and the fuel in the missile. Thus if missile A with a ramjet and missile B with a rocket motor have the same potential energy they will have the same range, bar aerodynamic differences. Agree? The only real benefit a ramjet gives you - bar a higher SP - is saving some of that energy for later in the flight path. Agree?
I still really don't understand why that bi-jet plane was created with those 2 so closed jet entries under the fuselage.If one entry (reactor inlet further) is damage the other one can be too ? Where is the bonus to come back safe to the base with the second engine is you lose both !
That's true, the Meteor maintains it's PK at it's max range while at about 2/3's its range the PK on the AMRAAM starts to drop off, but that doesn't change that the Meteor's max range is about 66 miles, and 2/3 of 90 miles is 60 miles. Given how similar the Missiles are, the F-22's RCS being about 1 hundredth of the Typhoons does give it a pretty big advantage until closing into PIRATE range.
It's not in squadron service. Its not funded for full rate production and its still in SDD phase. AIM-120D is in full rate production right now, same as meteor.
Cassidian, the defence and security division of EADS, has developed what is known as “passive radar” that can locate even difficult-to-detect flying objects such as stealth aircraft, and that itself is practically undetectable. Kind of make stealth aircraft redundant
How many times have they fixed the oxygen problem, last I heard it was not fixed and they were installing back up oxygen systems to the F 22. The other problems are ongoing, thrust vectoring has severe limitations for combat, the worst being the loss of energy leaving the plane a sitting target for a while, The Typhoon can make quick turns and not lose energy. It is no use detecting a plane at long range but not having a missile capable of being used at the range. They still don`t like rain.
It's not in production full stop and it is not in squadron service, full stop. AN/APG-77 has already undergone a T/R module replacement with AN/APG-82 modules. So the antenna is already 2nd gen. They are currently testing 3rd gen technologies such as EA and CDL. Sure the F-22A lacks some HUI upgrades, especially WVR equipment such as HOBS and JHMCS. I agree the Typhoon is better in these areas, but the F-22A is optimised as a BVR platform currently.
Hence why I said the RAF and Royal Navy 'will' use it. It actually does exist right now, though only a small batch have been produced for pilot training and testing of all the avionics and electronic warfare suites, first flight was in 2006.
Forgot to add that the Raptors were easy detected by EuroFighter's infrared sensors...i quote German EuroFighter pilots: Step 1: Find the F-22 on infrared. The Raptor is very hard to spot on radar, but it's big, and it's HOT. A Typhoon can pick up a Raptor from about 50 kilometers away with infrared sensors.
Ok, explain how any passive sensor determines accurate range information? The energy of the emitting source is variable, so you cant use that in a reliable way. What then? Geometry? Guestimation? Or you use a laser range finder.
A) The F-22 can be detected from distances over 100km via IRST. B) Fights between modern fighter aircrafts will most likely end in dogfights, because all modern fighter aircrafts have the equipment to counter the enemy's BVR missiles. That's why the Eurofighter was made for ultimate maneuverability.
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The Typhoon is probably better in WVR at the moment I agree. I think that could change once the F-22A has AIM-9X BII and JHMCS. But as it stands now that's a big advantage for the typhoon. Every major air force is investing in BVR technology; its where the primary focus is. Do you understand air combat better than they do?
the Typhoons has a frontal RCS of .1 square meter, to the Raptors .0012 (estimated using airtrafic control records). This means the Raptors least stealthy side is 100 times harder to see than the Typhoons most stealthy side. Because RADAR follows the inverse square law that means it's 10,000 times harder to detect with RADAR. This can be seen in how both the Rafale and Typhoon failed to get a tractable return, even at within 100 ft.
This aircraft was built to take off rapidly and for air to air fight and not to fight against groundt targets. It is able to but it´s not it´s main task.Another reason is that Europe shows that it could work together in military projects and not against each other. Ok the price is not cheap but which Jet was ever cheap?? On the other hand it will rest for 20 years with upgrades in the army
So you have insider info on the Typhoon's actual supoercruise performance? What's your security clearance? So you agree the F-22A's supercruise is different?
2) This is important because when rocket on a ballistic trajectory has to maneuver to a new intercept point, it looses energy it cant replace. Ramjet has fuel to expend throughout more of the flight path, so some of that energy can recouped even if the target maneuvers. This is an advantage I agree. Raytheon addressed this problem in the D model by giving the rocket motor a second - smaller - stage does the same job. No its not as good as a ramjet.
US should scrap the F 22 and buy Typhoons instead, they already fly successfully and if the F 22 ever works it will have cost a large fortune for each aircraft and they might have just about fixed all the problems when it runs out of air-frame hours or maybe they will just keep it as a show piece and mainly fly it at air shows which is the only place where thrust vectoring is a lot of use.
As for the meteor, when you talk about improved performance, I assume you're just talking kinematics, right? Because from what i read the sensor package on the AIM-120D is, if anything, better. All of these missiles will out perform an aircraft within a pretty large NEZ, which again is dependent upon early detection of the missile shot. No IR based MAWS will detect an AIM-120D missile in the boost phase at 100+km, AFAIK even DAS cant do that. BTW Meteor will go ballistic at long range.
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thanks for no cheesy music, sound of engines is amazing
Russians (Su-27 Family): Let's see if we can get drunk without alcohol.
Europeans (Typhoon): Let's throw this thing in full afterburner for ten minutes and see how hard it is to stall this thing.
Americans (F-22): Let's make this plane stick to the sky like a booger sticks to a wall.
I like seeing these planes and the different styles the pilots use. :D
fun fact: its Impossible to stall the Eurofighter. the FCS just does not allow that to happen
I'm a "Yank" in the USA who absolutely LOVES that Eurofighter Typhoon!
+wesley mccurtain we FINALLY have a worthy successor to the lightning
Me too man!!
+wesley mccurtain
Hi Wesley,
I'm a "Kraut" in Germany.LOL
Seriously, I love your American " F-22 RAPTOR ".
Let's stick together, particularly in these days as the "IS - Islamic State" is permanently threatening our freedom and democracy.with violence.
We all know about the recent terror atack in Paris, France a few days ago.
So let's kick those asses upstairs ...not to heaven, but to Pluto.
Our government has decided to support France.
So Germany will support the Alliance against Irak and Syria by
delegating 1 frigate as to be on escort duty to the French aircraft carrier "Charles Degaulle", and furthermore the number of 6 jets "Tornado",
and moreover 1.200 military personell.
That's my country's first contribution.
Germany ows it to its Brothers in Arms.
Wesley, I beg your pardon for my poor , bad English.
You know English it not my first language, not my mother language.
German is my native language.
So please forgive me if I made too many mistakes in grammar, spelling and writing.
Take care, mate.
Best regards from Germany,
Rainer
+Rainer Jahn Hello, I am an American as well, may I just say y'all build the FUCKING Prettiest tanks in the world! : D
I'm a Brit who absolutely LOVES the f-22 Raptor. What a beauty of a fighter jet
What a beautiful machine that is.
Especially the delta wings
This plane is easily one of the most advanced and best fighters in the world and you can't argue with that. I mean c'mon a jet made with technology by England, France, Germany and Italy's top defense and aerospace company's is gonna be an insane jet.
Yeah but getting replacement parts to market on-time is a nightmare for that very same reason. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
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It works better than the Flop 22
@@barrierodliffe4155 - I am a YF-23 Black-Widow ii man myself but whatevs.
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The YF 23 never got past the experimental stage, the Typhoon is doing all it was designed for.
Barrie Rodliffe Yes the F-22s 99-0 kill ratio means it's not as good as the Typhoon. People are ignorant. I'm not saying the typhoon is terrible which its not but there is no contest when the F-22 is in the skies.
These comment sections are always filled with patriots from their respective countries claiming their aircraft is the best, truth be told because their country made it! How blind of people. The Eurofighter is the fastest aircraft of its type with the longest range. It is designed to be aerodynamically unstable to make it so manoeuvrable. This is a British/German piece of engineering with both countries having hands in the development of this aircraft, with Spain and Italy manufacturing a few of the components. EF was designed from the beginning to be upgradable. BAE systems are already developing stealth lock-on missile and laser guns for this aircraft.
Oliver Newell Kinda romantic, isn't it? Germany and the UK spent the first half of the 20th century building amazing machines to fight each other, and in the last half and beyond worked to make machines of performance untold, together.
Doctor Cthulhu Pretty much, but remember WW2 was just 6 years of what else was a very close and cooperative relationship between Germany and the UK. Waterloo, for example. Both countries hate the French just as just. We are natural allies, not enemies.
agreed
The beginning was lovely pleasant but "laser guns"?
Right back at you patriot
We, in the U.S., would absolutely love a show from the world's most respected and oldest air force!!
@souro19 If I remember correctly, the Su-27 can turn over backwards in mid flight and fire a couple missiles and finish the flip while maintaining momentum in one direction the entire time
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Kin hell; he can fly that missile - aircraft have come a long way since the Sopwith Camel was the RAFs primary front line fighter. Hard to believe how quickly aviation technology has developed.
The comments are out of date, the radar is superb, the helmet display gives a whole warfare picture night vision included it ties up with the F35 electronically for a big picture, I think it had the Meteor missile first. The air to ground weapons cover most requirements. Typhoon has already carried out some difficult ground to air missions. It even has uprated engines available, but doesn’t need them yet.
Just a heads-up, mate. It's Air-ground, not Ground-air.
The Typhoon is basically the top maneuvering fighter around at the moment. Reason? When RAF pilots flew them against Indian airforce SU30s a few years ago, the Indian press deliberately misquoted RAF pilots, changing the word "Tornado" to "Typhoon". The real quote was "As anticipated, the SU30 was more maneuverable than the TORNADO ( no surprise there) but IAF pilots were surprised by the agility of the Typhoon." So why change the quote? Well, cos the Typhoon ran rings around the SU30, and the tranche 3 aircraft get vectored thrust nozzles.
Actually, the "top maneuver" fighter might be the F-22 or F-15 or Su-35S and yes the Eurofighter
muppetrolf elaborate.
Rafale beats F22 Eurofighter is beating by F22
***** NYET!, the F-22 beat the eurofighter with a better advantage that is funny thing
our Rafale beat your eurofighter 6-1....
Apples to Oranges, they're both multirole fighters but they excel at different things, the Eurofighter was designed to be naturally unstable and have computerised systems to keep it flying, this makes it very agile as it actually wants to spin, turn and tumble, the F-35 has more advanced electronic warfare capabilities, stealth and the ability to be used on aircraft carriers.
Eurofighter: 1
Physics: 0
High speed flying with good clear airflow over/past wings and control surfaces is easy basic flying physics.
It's low speed without much airflow/semi stall situations when flying physics gets stretched.
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I agree that the high AOA stuff is mostly useless in a dogfight, but the Su-35S has the same burst turn rate as the Typhoon, they both have helmet mounted sights, both have +60 degree SRM's, both have similar combat ranges, both have active thermal tracking systems, both have the similar RCS's and AESA radar with similar proforming MRM's... and the Su-35S costs less than half as much as a Typhoon. It's like comparing an M-16 to an AK-47. Both can kill you, but the Russian's do it cheaper.
I had DID's EF2000, a windows 95 game and it was a great simulator. Whenever I see the typhoon flying it feels like I'm seeing an old friend, at age 6 I called it EFA pronounced "Eafer". I'm glad it's doing as well as it is. It's an asset to the RAF and the other air forces that accommodate it.
Me too, 😀👍
It's not just the canard's that make the typhhon so good with the aerobatics, the design of the plane is actually aerodynamically unstable and its complex computer system helps to keep the plane in flight. I knew someone who worked at BAE and developed some of the safety protocols that prevented the computer system from suffering a major meltdown to keep the plane safe and flyable.
This bird ROCKS :D
The Eurofighter programme is the western powers playing catch up with the advanced designs of the Mig29 and the Su27 and her variants.
One would shudder to think how capable are the fully operational frontline SU-35s and Mig35s can do. They are extremely agile and have advanced avionics these days.
This gets more impressive the more you learn about airplanes.
For example, the RAF use the Typhoon mainly as an air superiority fighter whereas the F-35B variants they have on order will be used as multirole fighters, able to be used on short, quickly set up runways due to the STOVL capability.
The Royal Navy will also use the F-35B on the new HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, does not make the Eurofighter obsolete, just suitable for a different purpose.
Great aircraft, great flying. A formidable opponent for anyone.
This is an italian EF. Pilot is Raffaele "boff" Beltrame.
best dogfight plane on this planet
Monster LMA never. The F22 can not even beat the Eurofighter in a dogfight so how should the turkey aka F35 could be able to. The F35 has to small wings to turn like the Eurofighter can do so your statement is bogus.
Simple really. The F-35 produces more thrust and it's smaller wing is no greater disadvantage than the inefficient delta used on current Europhoons.
The Europhoon wing leading edges on Europhoons are being redesigned as we speak. The aircraft bleeds too much energy in repeated turns, which makes it harder to carry a decent ground weapon load and (judging by Reuters last year) impossible to fit Conformal Fuel Tanks.
I really have to laugh at the people writing off the F-35 who seemingly ignore the fact that Europe already flies an aircraft with limited capability that is difficult to adapt, costly to own and maintain and consequently has no sales. Europhoon is in such bad shape I can't believe people find the time to throw mud at the USA, when BAE and Airbus presided over a jet fighter that nobody wants after only 10 years of frontline service, in which time, I might add, it has seen little action.
The RAF test pilot was talking the company line. If anybody bothers to look up the published performance figures for the F35, for which the contract specs have had to be reduced so it could pass the tests, you would see it aint in the same ball park as the Typhoon, agility, acceleration and speed wise.
MUPPETROLF! It's you! Biggest yank plane fanboy bullshitter on the planet! I love the way you give an impression of being some fighterplane expert when you're TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT!
What rubbish.
F-35 is not designed solely for air combat, unlike the useless Europhoon. F-35 is a true multi purpose aircraft with a ground attack component already built in. Most unlike Eurojoker.
The Harrier is the same. Flexible multi role and deadly in the right hands. Only it's inventors no longer fly it. Fancy cancelling the Harrier to be left with useless old shit like Tornado and useless new shit ( that nobody wants or can afford ) like Europhoon.
Roll on F-35. A decent American jet like the ones Britain should have bought years ago.
Why should the Danes, Dutch and the Belgians have better fighter aircraft (F-16) than the RAF? Scandal. All borne of our stupid attitude to European politics. And it's cost us dear.
It may be easy to fit the nozzles, but Typhoon's 'carefree handling' limits & assistance would need totally re-working to make full use of the benefits of tvc.
In normal wingborne flight, providing that the control surfaces have sufficient control authority, tvc may not particularly enhance manoeverability - since the aircraft's ability to manoever depends on the wing's ability to produce the required lift, regardless of whether control comes from the engine nozzles or the elevons & foreplanes.
Seems more maneuverable than the F-22 raptor
Not fan a Raptor but F 22 is way better in close combat
I asked a USAF pilot. He said if he were in anything other than a Raptor, he would not want to mess with a Eurofighter. I was surprised to find it could outmaneuver all of the US planes!(except the F-22). I wouldn't be surprised if it really was the best 4th generation fighter.
R.I.P Sukhoi
Все наоборот.
The EF2000 is also a multirole aircraft. Even if its not put into use as one, it was built to be one.
great vid- but at air displays they will insist on playing loud music over the
flight line why i dont know real enthusiasts like to hear the sound of engines
and i think you the camrerman would agree ......
This pilot is "Boff" - major Beltrame - Italian Air Force
And to think the UAE are favoring the Rafale over the Typhoon, must be doing some sort of BOGOF deal, to date Typhoon has sold over 700 to 6 countries worldwide meanwhile Rafale has yet to see a single aircraft sold outside of France.
Well, on the 6 countries, 4 are from the consortium, so it's normal. And the 2 others, you know there is a corruption case about the sell of the Eurofighter Typhoon in Austria and Saudia Arabia ?
All contracts have interests behind countries like the Typhoon has lost some competition to be better the conditions of your opponent, in other contests has been chosen the best, and yet that the country has not chosen, France is giving the Rafale, making offers that no country can match. The Rafale is a great aircraft and has advantages such as being able to embark, which would be impossible with the Typhoon.
neage59
the Saudis have just agreed to pay BAE more for the ones they already ordered and are ordering further aircraft. The Austrian thing is piss and wind ...
India has gone cold on the Rafale over quality and licence build issues and even France has reduced its own order. But at least Brazil saw sense and rejected the Rafal and F15 and bought the Saab Gripen ...
1chish I always thought Gripen was the best bet for Brazil. How many did they buy or are buying?
ianrkav
36 plus maintenance for Brazil and the Swiss have also bought them. Britain makes about 50% of the Gripen but will lose work to Brazil as part of the home sourcing requirement.
the pilots able to piont that aircraft where he needs it spin out and head the other direction, nice flying
Just to clarify my position. I love the typhoon, I think it's an excellent aircraft and will destroy what it was designed to destroy; the Su-27 series. Once it has a viable AESA I think the only Russian platform that will touch it is the T-50, and we have no idea how capable, or not, that will end up being. The F-22A and Typhoon were not designed to fight each other, but the F-22 does offer some capabilities the Typhoon does not. Given the cost of the program i dont know why anyone is surprised
I'm always a fan of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Eurofighter Typhoon = defender of the free world! I do not care f22 and f35!
Now and forever Eurofighter Typhoon fan!!!
At Red Flag Alaska 2012, the Eurofighter won nearly every WVR simulation against the F-22. A German pilot even stated: "Yesterday, we had Raptor salad for lunch!" The F-22 loses to much speed through TV.
Best Airplane in 2018!
...& 2023. 😉
Both did, however, manage to track the Raptor with IRST. The Rafale failed to get a proper lock even within 10's of feet, but the Typhoon managed it making 4 kills in testing. This was out of 20 simulated 1v1 fights. I still haven't seen anywhere say how many Typhoon's where shot down and how many of the 16 other fights ended in a draw. The Rafale lost 2, and stalemated 4.
Where is "extreme"? Where flat spins, kulbits, cobra, kolokol, etc.???
All russian Manuovers preformed by the Su 37 and 35
they have to say extreme or no one watches the video lol
sorry mate......the thrust vectoring comes in when the engines change the direction(s) of their exhaust shall we say
+DINDRAGON Isn't the Herbst maneuver what Americans call the J-turn? The F-22 can do that--an example can be found in the following video at the 32 second mark:
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As I recall, the F-16 MATV/VISTA test aircraft could perform this maneuver, as well, with its multi-axis ("3D") thrust vectoring nozzle. Note that unlike the X-31 and F-16 MATV/VISTA, the F-22 can perform the maneuver without thrust vectoring. :)
mach loop mon cherì
Sure, the F-35 rules... Once they solve the cracking bulkhead problems, stop the afterburner from damaging the airframe, get the weight down to an acceptable level, fix the lightning strike sensitivity, the tailhook, the helmet mounted display, the oxygen generator, and so on and so forth... Other than that, everything's fine.
По сравнению с Мигом и Сушкой,какое то летающее дерьмо!!!
Ein "Wunder" der Flugphysik - imposant!!!
Rafale is best fighter in the world.
Jashim Uddin The Eurofighter has better thrust to weight ratio and climb. The Rafale has better air to ground capabilities in terms of heavy weapon loads and still being able to pull of G’s.
😆 Whatever helps ya to sleep at night, mate.
'all in all this is quite a handy bit of kit'... Richard Hammond hahaha, he's not wrong.
Best Jet until 2015 . PAK-FA coming .
not the "Propaganda" F-22 and F-35 ..
Mohammed meshal Sounding a little jealous and insecure there Mohammed.
Sounds like American Government played little game with your brain , with 'Propaganda' Machine
Ivan Panchev Well, it's entering service next year according to (I don't remember which one) either the RuAF or Russian MoD.
But it's had a hell load of problems with it's turbines.
Ivan Panchev Yeah, and only like 120 F-22's are for combat use. The rest for training, testing, and airshows.
Ivan Panchev however, on the contrary, there are only like 40 Su-35's.
One of the reasons why the Typhoon can turn so tight is the fact it used what was learned from the Rockwell/MBB X-31 research plane. That's why the Typhoon flies a lot like the X-31.
Not quite. The Typhoon was developed from the Bae EAP which first flew in 1986. First flight of the MBB X-31 was 1990, so I think both test aircraft were invaluable to the Typhoons development.
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Hahaha extreme maneuverability? This showed high g-loading and high thrust/weight ratio, but boring as hell maneuvers. Can't compare to su 35 with thrust vectoring.
It actually *can* compare to the su-35, thanks to its oversized canards.
Are Eurojet not designing a thrust vectoring engines for the Typhoon anyway, just to add to it's already more than impressive performance..??
Andy C They aren't designing it, it's already ready for deployment. But it's not needed, as it can already turn as fast as the F-22 and Su-35. A carrier based Typhoon would have TVC though.
Sarge Rho I am not sure if a Typhoon is same maneuverable than a SU 35. There might be in a fight a few more properties make the points, but it is in my mind impossible to compare here with a SU 35
As I understand it they already did and rejected it, and for good reason. Make no mistake about it 'thrust vectoring is rubbish, its good for air shows and that's about it. Thrust vectoring is a bit like having turbo on a combustion engine trying to get out of an engine what integrally it can't actually do. The same goes with planes, its to get them to do what the air frame isn't actually capable of doing on its own, and just like lag with turbos thrust vectoring when used reduces significant air speed which frankly is the last thing you want in a dog fight. THRUST VECTORING IS GOOD FOR AIR SHOWS PERIOD.
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after watching Russian fighters this one is very smiliar to home built RC jet hehe
Stealth doesn't matter with an IR-signature as gib as the F-22's. The Eurofighter's IRST can locate the F-22 from a distance of 100km. Stealth only halps against outdated aircrafts and not against hightech fighter jets.
I'm not impressed this thing isn't maneuverable at all
You have just no idea of superpower engineering! This video doesn't pay the Typhoon credits though. It outperforms each and every US or Russian fighter with ease as it climbs faster and turns harder than any other fighter on this planet! The Typhoon pilots first used the pressure suits from the Raptor pilots ... but it was not enough and so better performing suits were developed specially for the Typhoon pilots. Any questions?
does it suck ?
Jamal Nazzal Nope
StefanR0 It certainly does. Chief of staff of USAF said he had flown all the great fighters in the world and this is the best. I'll go along with that. I haven't. But, I have seen it many times in a non combat role, and just seeing this thing flying and doing what it does in practice flights gets the hairs on the back of your neck standing up, most maneuverable multi combat aircraft.
Just so you know, the Typhoon was built to be unstable so that it would be incredibly manoeuvrable. The electronic systems are there to keep it steady when they aren't in contact. It's much better than the F-22 Raptor in terms of manoeuvrability. Although, I'm sure many Americans will disagree, as they always do.
@atmodom I suppose that if figthers have stealth to a point where there is no radar/heat signature (not this typhoon) it is possible that pilots will have to red barron it. I would guess by that time missles would have vision systems (similar to javelin) or perhaps energy weapons (which I guess you have to get into visual range at least). For the latter, the attacker would just need to make sure the target is in the cone of fire/sensor, but not necessarily directly in front.
SU T-50 better :|
Haha did you hear what india is saying about it and its a prototype its not even produced.
Bobby Johnson What does India? And, the T-50 will produce... next year the aircraft will start to act in combat units... greetings from undemocratic and terrible, cold RUSSIA...
Huiy tiinkinyy lozümí exgter ..
That ill thought out comment hasn't aged well. 😆
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This is the Ultimate Airfighter in the World .
Very boring compared to what SU-35 does. Few countries put their minds together to create this??
***** Maneuverability is very important in dogfights. I know it is hard for westerners to admit that Russians are really good at what they do. Vector thrusting, stealth technology, and many other innovations came from Russia.
***** The founder of modern stealth technology is the Russian Petr Ufimtsev.
***** I assume you don't know much about science, engineering, and math beyond high school or entry level college at most. You can do all the experiments you want in the world, until you can't put them into a mathematical language, your theories are meaningless and baseless. Scientific community knows him as the father of the stealth technology. Video games community may find him otherwise. The former is all that matters.
***** If you are a true scientist or engineer, you would appreciate the Russian technology. However, you speak more like one those failed politicians or lawyers in the office. What are your thoughts on NASA relying on Russian engines to take them to space? Is that also propaganda?? US is surely on the decline, but the achievements they have over the last few decades is thanks to stolen technology or scientists from elsewhere.
+AF A If Russia invented stealth then why are they still trying, and failing, to design an aircraft with this capability? The PAK FA is a disaster with poor stealth characteristics, even Russia know this hence why they are only ordering 12 units to be kept in reserve.. America have had a stealth fighter in service for 10 years now (F22 Raptor) with a second (F35B) going into IOC afew months ago.
As for 3D thrust vectoring, it looks great at airshows, but in the theatre of war it's useless.. One example is a SU35 bleeding off all its energy doing a cobra whilst a Eurofighter pilot just uses his/her helmet targeting system to look at, and shoot down its enemy, no nose pointing needed when all you need to do is look at your target to a get lock-on.. 3D vectoring has been simulated on the EF and fitted to the F16 for testing, both found no real benefits in combat.. The latest EF's rolling off the production line will however be fitted with the latest aerodynamic pack, which will give it upto 25% more lift & an improved roll rate of upto 100%.. The high angle of attack will also be vastly improved which will keep it ahead of the game.
If Russia spent less on propaganda & more into testing & design they might actually build something that can compare to western 4+/5th gen fighters, then they might get some units sold.. The SU35 has less than 100 on order whereas the Eurofighter is currently at 599 ordered with more expected, Rafale 250+, Gripen 300+, F22 187 with no export available.. That's before I mention the thousands of F35's that will be built for the 11 countries that have ordered it.. But an internet warrior knows better than the 30+ countries military experts that have chosen western fighters ahead of anything Russian, including 3 of the BRICS nations, even Vietnam are looking at Western options now.. Hilarious!
The Typhoon does have a third longer combat radius but it's rate of climb is 315 meters per second to the F-22 estimated 300, so if it is higher it isn't by much. Top speed is another difficult issue as the Typhoon is estimated to be something over Mach 2, while the Raptor is estimated to be over Mach 2.2, so we simply don't know which is faster. The newest AMRAAM is built with lock after launch capability, so it can be launched at its max range of 90 miles, and lock on its own at closer range.
I'm sorry but this plane is a joke from an operational point of view. He never proved nothing in opération..The Rafale is the only trully omnirole fighter in the world and combat proven, say otherwise would be a lie !
Not seen Rafael in combat ever (war wise)
Lol the Rafale is a shit version of the mighty eurofighter
It's why the Rafale humiliated many times the Eurofighter, in exercices (ATLC, Solenzara) and during technical evaluations (Swiss, Dutch, Singaporian, Korean).
neage59 explains why nobody else has bought it then.
Dean Kaye
Swiss : The government wanted the cheaper aircraft, as you can see, the Swiss government chose the Gripen, which had not passed the minimum requirement, it also why the Swiss army published the report, because Swiss army chose the Rafale.
Dutch : The US proposed to the Dutch to join the JSF program, on the paper the F-35 is better and less expensive. Today the Dutch regret this choice.
Singapore, South Korea : The US have a very big influence on these countries, it was easy for the Americans to convince them to choose the F-15, even if the Rafale was better in both evaluations.
We can also add Morocco : The US proposed to increase the financial aid if Morocco buy F-16.
On the other side you have the Eurofighter which was sold to Austria and Saudi Arabia, but EADS is suspected to bribe both countries to sell the Eurofighter...
According to my knowledge Stealth technology can not bring any advantage in terms of manoeuvrability for fighter jet - the point is that even that Stealth technology works not in favour of aerodynamics and manoeuvrability modern technology is using some other "tricks" to make it turn very good - and it is good opponent to E.Typhoon and Su-35 : can't say which of those is better (in dog fight) but for me its clear that those are THE BEST :-)
Was at RIAT 16. Eurofighters flew great demonstrations. F-22: big build build up on Tannoy, roared into the sky to tremendous verbage about this aeroplane's abilities. A couple of minutes later a warning light came on in the cockpit and it had to land. Good job there was a spare to fly off to Duxford to honour the American Lads that fell in WWII.
I completely agree with your last statement. Neither the Typhoon or Raptor has been used in combat yet, so we can only speculate to the effectiveness of the systems. They should BOTH turn out to be outstanding combat aircraft. Keep in mind they have different roles though....
That pilot must have at least 1000 flight hours on his tally. He makes that all look so easy. The Typhoon looks good in those hands.
Typhoon's AESA, when they actually field it, is a first generation system. AN/APG-77 is already including some 3rd gen components.
IRST's cannot cue a BVR missile shot because they don't provide range information. Thus you are limited to the effective range of your LRF. It's no replacement for an FCR. Plus the F-22A can actually supercruise, so you wont see a burner plume.
AIM-120D has excellent kinematic performance, better than any other in service missile. NEZ depends on early detection
Personally I think this thing is the true ruler of the skies at the moment.
WOW! Thanks for sharing, this is awesome - the pilot has great control and he's brave!
Outdated? Its the cutting edge of what fighter jets can do!
1) Look, both missiles have a finite amount of energy at the point of launch; essentially the altitude difference between launcher and target, the energy of the launcher and the fuel in the missile. Thus if missile A with a ramjet and missile B with a rocket motor have the same potential energy they will have the same range, bar aerodynamic differences. Agree?
The only real benefit a ramjet gives you - bar a higher SP - is saving some of that energy for later in the flight path. Agree?
My favourite video of a typhoon is flying behind a spitfire, both known for their incredible manoeuvrability. Like a grandson with his grandad
I still really don't understand why that bi-jet plane was created with those 2 so closed jet entries under the fuselage.If one entry (reactor inlet further) is damage the other one can be too ? Where is the bonus to come back safe to the base with the second engine is you lose both !
AIM-120D can link with several different platforms, including a 3rd party mid course update, its a two way datalink.
That's true, the Meteor maintains it's PK at it's max range while at about 2/3's its range the PK on the AMRAAM starts to drop off, but that doesn't change that the Meteor's max range is about 66 miles, and 2/3 of 90 miles is 60 miles. Given how similar the Missiles are, the F-22's RCS being about 1 hundredth of the Typhoons does give it a pretty big advantage until closing into PIRATE range.
It's not in squadron service. Its not funded for full rate production and its still in SDD phase.
AIM-120D is in full rate production right now, same as meteor.
Cassidian, the defence and security division of EADS, has developed what is known as “passive radar” that can locate even difficult-to-detect flying objects such as stealth aircraft, and that itself is practically undetectable. Kind of make stealth aircraft redundant
The Typhoon is the best War Plane in the world
How many times have they fixed the oxygen problem, last I heard it was not fixed and they were installing back up oxygen systems to the F 22. The other problems are ongoing, thrust vectoring has severe limitations for combat, the worst being the loss of energy leaving the plane a sitting target for a while, The Typhoon can make quick turns and not lose energy. It is no use detecting a plane at long range but not having a missile capable of being used at the range. They still don`t like rain.
It's not in production full stop and it is not in squadron service, full stop.
AN/APG-77 has already undergone a T/R module replacement with AN/APG-82 modules. So the antenna is already 2nd gen. They are currently testing 3rd gen technologies such as EA and CDL.
Sure the F-22A lacks some HUI upgrades, especially WVR equipment such as HOBS and JHMCS. I agree the Typhoon is better in these areas, but the F-22A is optimised as a BVR platform currently.
These are what Canada needs!
the Eurofighter is set to be having thrust vectoring added to it in the near future though which will make the aircraft a lot more manoeuvrable
Hence why I said the RAF and Royal Navy 'will' use it.
It actually does exist right now, though only a small batch have been produced for pilot training and testing of all the avionics and electronic warfare suites, first flight was in 2006.
Eurofighter typhoon + misil Meteor, una auténtica bestia.
@BlazeOutcast Maybe you can get custom leds that change the color when you get yours. Also, change the suspension so it rides a little lower.
Forgot to add that the Raptors were easy detected by EuroFighter's infrared sensors...i quote German EuroFighter pilots:
Step 1: Find the F-22 on infrared. The Raptor is very hard to spot on radar, but it's big, and it's HOT. A Typhoon can pick up a Raptor from about 50 kilometers away with infrared sensors.
Its radar is LPI. And even if it was detected, all it has is an emission source. That doesn't help much when you have no FCR to cue.
this airplane is masterpiece! and the pilot! pfff! hats down!
Ok, explain how any passive sensor determines accurate range information? The energy of the emitting source is variable, so you cant use that in a reliable way. What then? Geometry? Guestimation? Or you use a laser range finder.
A) The F-22 can be detected from distances over 100km via IRST.
B) Fights between modern fighter aircrafts will most likely end in dogfights, because all modern fighter aircrafts have the equipment to counter the enemy's BVR missiles. That's why the Eurofighter was made for ultimate maneuverability.
where is the manuvere??
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awesome video, the "owner of a lonely heart" really goes with this video, thanks for the upload!
don't know why but this has been cancelled for the Southport air show this year, usually it's the only reason I'll go to it
The Typhoon is probably better in WVR at the moment I agree. I think that could change once the F-22A has AIM-9X BII and JHMCS. But as it stands now that's a big advantage for the typhoon.
Every major air force is investing in BVR technology; its where the primary focus is. Do you understand air combat better than they do?
the Typhoons has a frontal RCS of .1 square meter, to the Raptors .0012 (estimated using airtrafic control records). This means the Raptors least stealthy side is 100 times harder to see than the Typhoons most stealthy side. Because RADAR follows the inverse square law that means it's 10,000 times harder to detect with RADAR. This can be seen in how both the Rafale and Typhoon failed to get a tractable return, even at within 100 ft.
This aircraft was built to take off rapidly and for air to air fight and not to fight against groundt targets. It is able to but it´s not it´s main task.Another reason is that Europe shows that it could work together in military projects and not against each other.
Ok the price is not cheap but which Jet was ever cheap?? On the other hand it will rest for 20 years with upgrades in the army
Wow that is some skilled piloting!!! Amazing
So you have insider info on the Typhoon's actual supoercruise performance? What's your security clearance?
So you agree the F-22A's supercruise is different?
2) This is important because when rocket on a ballistic trajectory has to maneuver to a new intercept point, it looses energy it cant replace. Ramjet has fuel to expend throughout more of the flight path, so some of that energy can recouped even if the target maneuvers. This is an advantage I agree.
Raytheon addressed this problem in the D model by giving the rocket motor a second - smaller - stage does the same job. No its not as good as a ramjet.
Have to say the Typhoon is in a class of its own.
Also you cant use an IRST to cue a missile shot. You have no range data. Aim-120D has a max engagement range of 100nm.
US should scrap the F 22 and buy Typhoons instead, they already fly successfully and if the F 22 ever works it will have cost a large fortune for each aircraft and they might have just about fixed all the problems when it runs out of air-frame hours or maybe they will just keep it as a show piece and mainly fly it at air shows which is the only place where thrust vectoring is a lot of use.
As for the meteor, when you talk about improved performance, I assume you're just talking kinematics, right? Because from what i read the sensor package on the AIM-120D is, if anything, better. All of these missiles will out perform an aircraft within a pretty large NEZ, which again is dependent upon early detection of the missile shot. No IR based MAWS will detect an AIM-120D missile in the boost phase at 100+km, AFAIK even DAS cant do that.
BTW Meteor will go ballistic at long range.
What countries are going to purchase the Eurofighter Typhoon? or are planning too?