I DUG DEEP into the Eurofighter Typhoon Aerodynamics and I found...
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Thank god you're finally in a Good shape and kicking ☺️
I know right! I was so excited to hear the good news!
I'm always impressed at how much quality description and analysis you can fit into 10 minutes - excellent stuff as always.
As usual, you make complicated stuff understandable. In 10 minutes we learned a lot of why the Typhoon is the way it is. All with no clickbait, no crap, no sensationalism, no unfair comparisons. Sir, you are the man
I am glad you are back in the air with us but please dont get too tired. We love you.
The eurofighter has also a very good high speed manouverability to "escape" hostile missiles in a BVR fights. Missiles are really inefficient when it comes to turning, so they will lose a lot of speed if the targeted aircraft makes some manouvers. This shortens their effectiv range, so enemy aircrafts have to come closer to the eurofighter to shoot their missiles.
Good work my dude, cant wait for the rest.
Great to see you at it again. Excellent episode Sir.
Pedant alert - a "negative dihedral" is properly called an anhedral.
Bravo, good to see you back and that frontal analysis of the Typhoon was very illuminating and rightly distracted me from my chores. I remember watching and photographing the EAP in flight and how just a few more feet in length and span made the Eurofighter a much better looking aircraft to my eye. Guess the wing stiffness gives fewer variables to the aerodynamic interaction between canard and delta.
What a masterpiece of engineering is the Typhoon. The Eurofighter is the only 4.5 gen fighter with a real full CareFree handling, and this gives a real advantage in WVR. Moreover with an A/A load at sea level in ISA +20 cond. the Typhoon accelerates from 200 kts to mach 1 in less than 25 sec. It's not a secret that the Typhoon Tr-4 will be the best 4.5 gen aircraft ever produced. I've heard the tranche 4 will incorporate the Aerodynamic Modification Kit, an upgrade that will increase the maximum lift created by the wing by 25%, angle of attack values + 45% greater than on the standard aircraft, and roll rates up to 100% higher. Finger crossed!
I believe your talking about the LERX (Leading Edge Root Extentions)
To my knowledge this kit is optional and not standard on the T4 Typhoons kind like the Comformal fuel tanks that were never used onthe T3's.
But the. LERX might be good at helping with lower speed maneuverable. It has a negative effect at higher speeds if my memory serves me correctly.
@@bagdaduk it's a more complex aerodynamic mod kit. It was tested few years ago and it will be implemented on tranche 4 and 5.
@@bagdaduk The fuel tanks have been abandoned due to aerodynamic issues. The AMK is standard on the Tranche 4 according to Eurofighter. It's on their website.
@@bagdaduk Wrong, Concord used lerx. Worked just fine.
This was a cool one. I like it when you go in this direction. I would love it if there was a long episode or series talking about the design philosophy if some of the main fighter families as a way to understand the pros and cons
There are always trade-offs with any design. As chief designer of the YF-16, Harry Hillaker, once stated: "The optimum position for canards is on somebody else's aircraft".
Great to see you back. I wish you all the best. Every time I watch this, I am once again attracted to thermodynamics (though I didn't like it in university)
So great to see you and for another outstanding video!! Be well.
I appreciate the integration and transition of the sponsor plug. Well done. The Eurofighter is a cool design. Have you seen the airframe designs in an anime called "Yukikaze?" Very flashy and fun, though material science and aerodynamics wouldn't favor them. I do enjoy them. Thanks for this video.
Man, now he's standing and moving around like in the old videos.👍
I have a soft spot for the Euro Canards. Very under rated in my opinion.
Great you are back and healthy. I hope this won't be the lasts video on the typhoon!
Thank you. Another excellent video. Superb explication and explanation, as always. Back in style! Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Great vid. Glad to see you back. 🎉
I read that the EF was designed to have the smallest possible frontal silhouette, both for a reduced radar signature (from the front) and for less drag and better energy retention.
EF stands out as being the canard that is not close coupled with the wing making for less efficient lift, but as mentioned providing more maneuvering torque instead.
I'll add that before the YF-22 was revealed, publicity sketches showed it with a delta-canard configuration. That even made it into the 1989 flight simulator 'F29 Retaliator'.
Your excellent analysis of the unusual amounts of vortexes on the airframe by design got me thinking if this influenced the name of this vortex-airraft "Typhoon". Maybe a wink form the engeneering department? ^^
The name is historic, its named after an old WWII fighter you might have heard of ...................
@@Blowfeld20k for multinational European fighter project, which includes also ze`Germans, maybe such a name is not pc nor historic but more hum...archaic...just a suggestion.
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Hasn't that name been pretty much dropped for exactly those reasons?
Not sure why your so aggressively "suggesting" to me m8, since i had nothing to do with the nomenclature, nor did i indicate support for it. Merely pointed out where it came from. Think your ire needs to be pointed elsewhere.
Enjoy
@@Blowfeld20k afaik only the Brits really refer to it as the Typhoon. in Germany its either the Eurofighter Typhoon or just the Eurofighter
Excellent, as usual. Best wishes for your health.
So much good news. You’re back! You look great! And…Sponsors!!
Mazel Tov!!!
The prodigal child is back!!! Good to see you back making videos, M7!
It's nice to see you up and healthy. You seem to have more energy.
Excellent video, as always. Very clear and informative.
And so good to see you again!
I know I'n not alone in this: we grow to care about you. Take care and keep it up!
Great content as always, and Im glad you're back man!!!
Of course, the Eurofighter conforms to the area rule.
As the name suggests, it is the *area* rule, not the "side line" rule!
Another great post ! Thank you. I am very happy to see you are doing well 🤗
Great video, commenting for the algorithm... Then got carried away... I think it is worth pointing out how aircraft designed with stealth in mind not only prefer not to have canards, but also see less benefit from them. Engine nozzles are hard to make stealthy against radar, and exhaust plumes are bright in IR, so one of the tricks that many aircraft can use is to have extensions along the sides past the engine nozzles*. This means that conventional elevators get more of a lever arm, making them more efficient. You can see this in the F22, a bit in the SU57, and heavily in the F35 and SU75.
*Reduced side visibility has a major tactical impact because it is the aspect where doppler will also be zero. If you want to defeat a missile radar sensor that is the aspect you would chose, because in any other aspect even tiny returns can be detected. Western designers treat it as a special case with very high importance. Incidentally, this makes tail angle extremely important in terms of tactics. A vertical tail might seem like it is extremely bad from this point of view, because it will present a missile with a flat surface, but it isn't quite that simple. At low altitude an attacking missile will probably be looking down at the aircraft. A twin tail design will have one of the tails sloping away, so might actually be closer to perpendicular (Vertical twin tails makes the corner a retroreflector, so are not viable). Unless the tails are significantly tilted like the YF23, low altitude stealth in side aspect can actually be reduced by twin tails. The net effect is that twin tailed stealths want to stay high, single tailed aircraft stay low. Given this, the J20's decisions then start to make some more sense (though may still be wrong). If it is never expected to attempt to defeat a missile by notching at low altitude, it can entirely eschew the typical western emphasis on side visibility. As sensors get better I can see this being reasonable, because running away isn't vulnerable to improving sensors. My guess is that it's tactic is basically to delay early warning as long as possible, launch on the target, then get out of dodge relying on speed for defence. It's stealth is not regarded as a defensive tool.
Just like others, very happy to see you in motion.
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
glad to see you back! cant wait to learn more about this aircraft, i never really got to learn about it
Very nice video and very nice work, as always. Nice to see that you're getting better, take your time.
I think a worthy mention for this video would have been the *McDonnell Douglas F-15 STOL/MTD* or *F-15 ACTIVE* - It was an experimental version of the F-15 that had canards. While it never went into production, A lot of the avionics used on it did eventually end up being rolled out to a lot of the F-15s that are flying today.
Only one plane exists making it truly one of a kind. it should be on display down at Edwards air force base unless they have moved it elsewhere.
Glad you are back at it. Fantastic content as always
Very interesting video I will need to watch more, cheers from Scotland.
It is good to see you in video . Video is nice , but the important is that you are also nice ! Have a great day captain !!
You look great my friend! I hope you’re feeling much better! I have a request, I just finished reading “air power abandoned” by Robert dorr, can we get an in depth f-22 video on how the Air Force abandoned the upgrades to the f-22 post 2011 and what the new Ares program will be doing to FINALLY make the raptor even more lethal?
I enjoyed this one very much. Thank You!!!
Good to see you fully back.
So good to see you looking fit and healthy.
Good to see you up again!
Good to see you back on your feet and running it back!
Glad to see you are back, stay in good health friend 👍
I always liked the Typhoon - is a very clean design and is often underrated! It never was a "best seller", although it probably is the best 4.5 design you can get for your (a lot!) money...!
An excellent video by any measure!
Could you have a video on the tactical reasoning behind the choices about going stealth (even if means sacrificing aircraft performance like agility, range and weapon load) vs. using active EW while maximising other performance & tactical flexibility.
For example, analyse thisp: If you go in with F-35 and the opponent has a good long wave radar system he will know you are there, but does not know exactly where. If you approach with Rafales or Gripens or Eurofighters using active EW the enemy will know you're there, just do not know exactly where.
In this scenario the benefits of passive stealth design seem limited...
Glad you are back
Glad you're back
I love your slightly sarcastic, ironic delivery you always have me chuckling 😂
Good health to you
So happy you’re back
Glad to see you back.
Please say something about the difference between long arm canard and close coupled canard. A reason for anhedral in swept wings and delta wings is often to enhance stability in low angeles of attack.
There's really not much difference from configuration between something like an EF2000 and an F16. Both have up-loaded control surfaces in turning flight so trim drag is negligible. The EF has a lower wing loading and the F16 has a higher aspect ratio.
Well the difference in performance is pretty big
Being designed by an international committee also explains the Typhoon's looks.
How so?
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Weird lookin' J-10
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Very good video.
Is there any chance that you make a similar one talking about why you say the flanker has such an efficient design?
Isn't it obvious by looking at it? Especially after watching this video? Just look at the old, statically stable F15 vs the unstable su27. Look at an F16 vs an su27. Look at the eurofighter vs su27.
The Su27 (& mig29) have large cropped delta wings (eurofighter) with blended leading edge root extensions (LERX) like an F16 (which also has cropped delta). The su27 has variable intakes underhung like the f16/eurofighter. Su27 has widely separated engines like the f14 tomcat, becoming a lifting body, aiding fuel efficiency and lowering wing loading.
"Close quaters knife fight." Did anyone else briefly imagine a knife taped to the nose cone.
5:30 "negative dihedral" is called Anhedral
Your looking good. Keep up the great videos. Cheers
should be interesting to see what the Typhoon can do with the new EJ2x0 engine mod2 The EJ200 has a dry thrust of 60kN and the EJ2x0 mod 2 is more like 78,000kN in full reheat it's a way bigger difference. That will radically increase the power to weight of the Typhoon and I believe increase the service ceiling by 1500m or so. I know one has been tested with the mod 1 EJ 2x0 but no info has been released.
Great video as usual! If I see any of the 3 Euro canard-delta planes in the thumbnail then I WILL be taking a look of your video!
Any chance of a more detailed comparison between the long-coupled canard design of the Typhoon and the close coupled design as used by the Rafale and the Gripen? I will be honest and say that I think the Rafale and Gripen both look better than the Typhoon, and I'm not sure if it's due to the way the positioning of the canards😀
You are the best, thank you for your great knowledge sharing
Good one . While listening I got curious about the engines and upon seeing the thrust I thought F18 , then I looked at the weights of both and thought on paper .... why is the F18 a dog .... I know one is designed to crash into ships but the Typhoon is such a performer . I expected the Typhoon engines to be more powerful being it super cruises . Smart design .
In terms of RCS, how are canards worse than tailplanes (you need one or the other)? If the answer is that the main wing hides the tailplanes (elevators), then don't the canards hide part of the wing as well... I've never understood this part about canards being bad for RCS.
You are right! But part of radar returen is the deflection of rudders. In modern combat airplanes they compensate for the lack of stability all the time. Beside that weakness, SAAB have a patent on how to minimize the radar return from canards. Why the don't have applied it on Gripen E is unknown to me. I guess it's RCS lowering effect is too small compared with carried weapons.
Rcs reduction is achieved by ram coating on outside of skin and also have ram inside the structure that supports the skin. Canards don't have enough internal space for ram. All stealth fighter, the leading edges including the nose , wings and tails have ram inside the structure. Check out the downed photo of f117 you will understand.
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In simple planes game I was able to design stable delta canard aircraft with mass center ahead of the aerodynamic center, no fly by wire, and negative dihedrals in both wing and canard. Does negative dihedral translates to stability problems then?
Even Delta Canards aircraft looks beautiful 😍❤️ ✈️
Really good video
Not mentioned in the design of the Typhoon is doctrine it would be used which effected its design. Being used as a defensive interceptor/fighter which dictated less range and weight class compared to US aircraft. In regards to the Typhoon’s lack of stealth characteristics, the canard contributing to its higher RCS. US Studies have shown that once engaged in a dog fight the odds of victory become more even. American doctrine has highlighted stealth in the F22 & F35 in getting into missile range undetected and getting the first shot off. The F15 has a massive radar to detect adversaries at long range. The Typhoon looks have a relatively small radar.
The Typhoon has a bigger radar than the F35 and is also capable of somethings that The F15 and other US fighters are not. The F15 has a massive radar and also a massive RCS something like 25-250 times larger than the Typhoon. The Typhoon has a much more advanced self protection suit. The Typhoon beats the F15 every time according to pilots. You can find a few accounts from pilots talking about this here on UA-cam.
I fully agree with OTIS. Europeans are just smarter!
Nordstream debacle suggests otherwise xD
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@Phillip Banes what the point ? Who cares ?
Until Ukraine war came, nordstream disaster I used to rate Europeans higher no longer
Question: The first generation (trench ?) of Eurofighter had a smooth transition
from the Cockpit to the back of the plane, while newer models almost have an F-16 style bubble canopy.
Was that "just" done to improve rear visibility / does it create more vortexes over the back / both ?
Good video, I tried War Thunder air forces and I like it a lot.
Thank for the job , otis's human
How do you think EFT would’ve performed with DSI intakes?
Nice to see you in good health
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Eurofighter can pull 9g turns constantly with 2 fuel tanks and missiles at Mach 1.2 or until the pilot feels sick . It has good power to weight and can outclimb all but F22. German Airforce officers stated it's true top speed was Mach 2.35 though no loadout information was given.
Eurofighter has a t/w ratio of 1.25 while the F-22 has a t/w ratio of 1.18 The best t/w ratio has the Su-35BM with 1.30
@@JazzJaRa The F22 doesn't have drag issues when hauling missiles around. So any figures are at best vague as they don't come with side information like height, temperature air pressure etc or fuel load. Basically claims in this field are just a guide.
Actually I saw a video where the German pilot said the top speed is Mach 2.5.
@@joshafc41 we are in the myth and magic area Mach speed isn't as important as acceleration and climb rate.
Welcome back!
The first operational delta canard fighter was J-37 Viggen 1971. It did not have an all moving canard though, as Gripen, because the avionics for it wasn't available at the time. Viggen had the first central computer made of integrated cerkets, which say something about the tach of the time.
...intergated circuits...
Some differentiate between _canards_ and _foreplanes_ .
The Viggen has flaps on its foreplanes, while the Gripen has all moving canards.
I always loved the Swedish plane designs and I like the current Grippen, especially if we are looking into getting useful planes for Ukraine ! Actually in a post Ukraine war world, maybe Ukraine and Sweden could partner on developing planes for their rather special „neighboring Russia „ situation…
Audio quality can be improved, but thank you for this.
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Would be nice if you could cover the non area rule fuselage in more detail.
cool thanks for that tasty snack of aerodynamic goodness...
Euro fighter has a mustache.
It feels like Brits brought something back from the Avro Aero with that design, the US demanded Canada stop making it (imo, because it made them look bad...) a lot of those engineers were coming from post WWII UK and just getting started! I learned from one of your videos Canards are bad for stealth, so I was waiting for that! and you also showed how 90 degree angles are bad for radar signal bounce too, could that be part of why the wings/canards edge down slightly? mind you, that leaves the vertical stabilizer in the lark...
Stabilizer and upper surface of the wings wings are not angled at 90 degrees, it is little higher. Moreover, side reflection perpendicular to the direction of flight is invisible on Doppler radar.
MBB Lampyriade also had one vertical stabilizer.
Would you consider doing an introduction to war thunder for people like me who have never ever ever played any online or pc type games ? .
I'm interested but would not have a clue where or how to start .
I have a desktop a phone and a tablet but no consuls or gamebox.
Your radar and aerospace stuff is by far the best available it must give you a headache to think down to normal peoples understanding of such things! Thanks and stay lucky.
so the split air intake is for the boundary layer, but wouldn't that just create another boundary layer on the inside of the intake?
Yes, but it requires some explaining too long for a reply.
always reminded me of the aircraft off captain scarlet..
Welcome back. 😊
Otis that little rascal
Slightly different topic: Looking good, man! Your obvious effort and weight loss deserve some acknowledgement 🫡
I heard that the F-15 and Su-27 wings are considered as the cross between delta and swept wings