Imperium's assumption about Trazyn's intentions upon Cadia: "Even the Xenos have seen the justness of our cause! Onwards!" Trazyn's true intention: "That fortress belongs in a museum! Mine specifically!"
@@anangrylad7214 No, the Pylons are relics of the War in Heaven. The just so happened to from at the center of what once was Old Ones space; To which later was Eldar space. It was blind luck that what was designed to nullify psychers ended up impeading the Eye.
That actually sounds cool. I miss sometimes the old 90's - early 2000s GW that sometimes made some in universe book. Like the Witch Hunter's guid and the Liber Chatoica for the Fantasy, the Xenology for the 40K. And such.
@@Dontreallycare5 I think the Emperor could be just Three Pysker Squats wearing a Big Golden Power Armor and then left an old skelington on the throne when Horus' shit hit the fan.
Hello like minded friend! This was to be my own outlandish and unsupported theory. An example of a genetically enhanced warrior (possibly from the war against the iron folk) created by humanity during the dark age (golden age ) of technology. After all the techniques of the gene crafters of earth and the moon are said to be leftovers from that time. Pale imitations of the former glory.
@@zuluactual839 True, but the Warp is fickle and may have spat out a ship or hibernation pod of some sort or something similar after a long time had passed
My guess would be a Thunder Warrior, the face contorted in a scream could be the mental degradation they suffer from and was captured during a mental break and screaming out in pain
Alas it is a Deathwatch marine ( brother Cassiel) not a Primarch, but it was written (from Fabius Bile: clonelord)that in the past he was close to capture a Son of The Emperor, maybe the 2* one.
Small correction: Bile didn't trade Clonegrim because Bile was angry. Bile traded him because the effect he had on the rest of Bile's creation, undermining his life's work
He was also angry though. He says something about seeing the Emperor's Children just repeating history all over again, that he saw flashes of the clone going down the same path.
@@cthulhupthagn5771 ‘No, Benefactor,’ Igori whispered, clutching at him. ‘Do not do this.’ ‘I must. For you.’ For them all. He could see it now - the madness that had gripped them, him included. He had almost slipped back into the old ways, and let the future burn in the fires of the Phoenix’s resurrection. His great work, all for nothing. All that he had endured, all that he had striven for, undone by the being before him. Igori… his New Men… he saw them now, in his mind’s eye, bending knee before Fulgrim. Abasing themselves. He would not allow it. Could not. [...] ‘Teacher? What are you talking about? I have done all of this for you. Are you displeased? What have I done wrong?’ ‘Nothing,’ Fabius said. The word felt like poison on his tongue. ‘You have done nothing wrong. But this was a mistake. I must rectify it.’
@@AlexanderForsman This excerpt is a large part of why I think Clonegrim would have remained a loyalist. Bile constantly pushes his opinions of modern Fulgrim on Clonegrim without recognizing how different they acted, so he naturally thinks that Clonegrim would simply become a second daemon prince. I think Bile put Clonegrim on ice because of his pride.
Side theory: Ciaphas Cain didn't die, Trazyn 'collected' him sometime during the 13th black crusade (he also found a tanith fife and drum band so presumably Gaunt is pissed) for his Imperial Guard wing, thus the standing orders that he be kept on active duty are perfectly reasonable.
I would assume based on 40k lore the giant is most likely Alpharius, but he was pretending to be a legionairre pretending to be Alpharius, so Trayzen just didn't know he actually had a primarch yet...
Unlikely. Alpharius and his twin Omegon were described as the smallest of the Primarchs, which is part of what allowed them to disguise themselves as "ordinary" Alpha Legion Space Marines.
@@rigelcummins1460 Not even that it was more or less both that Alpharius & Omegeon were shorter than the average Primarch and that their legion was just taller than the average astartes.
He takes shiny relics, though may not be relics, and also may not be shiny, that he likes, as well as those he doesn't like, and also which are historically "interesing-as in they did something"
@@kephrekhtheunbroken7510 that is exactly what pit friend is saying. Trazyn is calling the Blood Ravens amateurs for ONLY collecting shiny relics they like
Imagine a tour of the entire gallery, with explainations about the various exhibits and the events repersented. It could enitrely be feasible that *if* a human were to ever go on such a tour, they may not actually be able to live long enough unassisted to see the entire darn thing.
Maybe it's just just unnamed Thunder Warrior veteran. They were known for wearing proto-power armor and being described as highly ornate could just mean his set was highly decorated for his feats in battle.
Huh. Being so early there’s no comments before a refresh is weird. I still like the theory that the baroque figure is a Custodies just for the meme that Trazyn and will collect things from places he has no business being
While Trazyn was known to have a Custodian in his collection, there is a surprising amount of evidence to suggest that the Baroque Giant in question is *not* a Custodes. (See later in this video ;) )
It was probably a fragment of the Void Dragon. The same one the Emperor battled and then imprisoned on Mars. (Despite the fact that space travel wouldn't exist for centuries.)
It could always be one of the two unknown primarchs, but I think it's Vulkan. Simply because Trazyn hunts the nine artifacts of Vulkan, and if his sons were going to find all of them he would be very close by to return. Quite a self fulfilling prophecy 😉
Vulkan's Nine Artifacts would be perfect bait to draw Trayzyn out. then the Burny Bois could jump him, nab his teleporter stick, warp to his Museum and set Papa free.
Again, I can show you where to dig up a recently dead human prince of english lineage for a tour of your gallery. Hit me up and I'll get my shovel. (We could probably also get a queen if you'll send a few warriors ) :)
There are two more options: 1. It could be a Gray Knight. The combination of anti-warp psyker and superhuman is quite interesting. 2. It does not have to be a space marine. It could also be a remarkabel Chaos Space Marine.
I hope this dynamic also applies to Oculus Imperia canon and Historitor just invokes Lord Inquisitor Dinobot next time Ordo Hereticus comes knocking with ball clapper servitors. Then again, they don't care that he is under a *primarchs* protection so don't think it matters.
Ya, and it is an Ordo Minoris up against an Ordo Majoris, not that that's stopped Remleiz in the past. But I tend to see these collaborations as the Oculus currying favor with another powerful patron, rather than trying to aquire a get out of jail free card.
@@anangrylad7214 Another loyal Primarch would definitely be a boon, and the other Fulgrim isn't made of meat anymore, just warp stuff. The entire Imperium believing in a heroic Fulgrim would probably weaken the demon one.
I have the sneaking suspicion that Bobby G would NOT react well to waking up to a second Fulgrim running about, not to mention the rest of the Imperium's reactions.
@@anangrylad7214 excuse me but I was wondering if I could get a tour of your collection? I hear it's the best in the galaxy and I really want to marvel at its grandeur! Please? I can pay with artifacts of humanity from before the age of technology. I can also show where some really cool graves are. We just planted a royal prince so he would still be fresh. Should only take a few warriors.
I find Dorn fairly unlikely, purely in regards to the timeline, since Dorn "disappeared" (more likely died) _long_ before Trazyn obtained the Fulgrim clone.
Pretty sure Trazyn only aids mankind in defeating chaos/tyranids etc because they are a threat to his collection.... plus none of his artifacts are insured 😆 lol
4:15 hmmm I noticed the belt of ammo "appears" to have no bullets in them, but through the power of belief, they know bullet casing shoot bullet, so it shoot bullet. now im imaging an ork with no gun but a single bullet casing between his fingers, running around yelling bang
Crack theory: It's the Emperor. When Horus went through the gate at Moloch, he came out aged and corrupted. He had clearly gone through an extended period of time before being returned to realspace at the moment he entered. The same happened to the Emperor, but unlike Horus, who went through the trials and tribulations the Chaos Gods intended to use to break him, and thus he came out broken as intended, the Emperor, precisely as he was accused of doing, cheated. By getting Trazyn to scoop him up for his collection, he proceeded to spend the entire duration of his tribulation in stasis in Trazyn's museum. This also meant that he was able to get glimpses of events from the true future whenever the stasis field went a little on the fritz, letting him know things like the fact that only nine of his sons would remain loyal, which sparks his paranoia and secrecy regarding his projects as he tries to figure out who would and would not betray him.
I'd love if it was Constantine Valdor. Especially given all the yellow king stuff swirling around right now. Imagine if Trayzn got his hands on Valdor and the Yellow King turns out to be Rogal Dorn all along. After all, Fists are Yellow, Custodes are Gold
I personally think it's a thunder warrior for one there was no set pattern for the Mark 1 power armor so some could be ornate and I believe it's hinted that they still had memories of their past lives unlike space Marines and custodes
i'd love for it to be Loken or Garro, or any heresy era Marine just to have to possibility of seeing the 40k universe though them. as unlikely as this will be
My favorite Trazyn lore tidbit: he attended a Necron historical play on the War in Heaven and the betrayal by The Deceiver. The performance lasted 100 years. His review after watching it: “eh, it was just ok.”
It's actually the first ever ogryn clone, it's power armor is so ornate because it was actually a success, it didn't have the disabilities that normal ogryn have or the unluckyness that clones have. He, the perfect ogryn, was the chosen one.
Another worthy entry to the records Scribe. I would say it is imperative that the Imperium captures and imprisons this Xeno. As a priority. With review of his "collection" and release of any Imperial citizens.
The figure may be one of vulcans relics. Perhaps engine of woe, an early centurion suit maybe. Or undying flame, a daemon bound into a suit or automaton
Blood Ravens : Well boys, looks like we are going to plunder ...... I mean librerate some Xeno and Imperial artifacts for research from a Necron Lord....... yes , Research
My guess is that GW just wanted something vague enough that, if they decided to do something with it later, they could claim that "it was always this guy!"
This is an updated and remastered video done primarily to correct a few errors that were in the original, as well as to generally expand the amount of information presented for additional context.
I still believe the giant is Fulgrim Reborn for a couple reasons: 1. He’s the only confirmed Primarch in Trazyn’s custody. 2. The giant was witnessed by an Inquisitor who would have been well aware of what was a standard Astartes and what was not. The fact she labeled it a ‘giant’ tells me she knew it was something else, something bigger. 3. Trazyn may have simply changed Fulgrim’s features and fitted him with some power armor to make him look more dramatic versus leaving him in scraps. It’s been confirmed that Trazyn has put other ‘subjects’ in equipment and uniforms that are not theirs to fit into the narrative he’s trying to create, so I see no reason he wouldn’t do the same with Fulgrim. Because when you think about it, what would be a more dramatic moment than Fulgrim screaming to the sky after killing Ferrus Manus since it’s the first confirmed time a Primarch killed another Primarch? ‘The Fall of Fulgrim’ fresco would certainly appeal to Trazyn’s sense of drama no? Also, I’d respectfully disagree that Vulkan lost his Perpetual powers after being stabbed with the fulgerite by John Grammaticus. The Emperor was correct that this was a True Death, but I don’t see any evidence that this resulted in the loss of his fantastic powers of rebirth. For proof, I’d like to point to The Beast Arises Book 7: The Hunt for Vulkan where the Salamander’s Primarch was almost single handedly holding off the massive Ork invasion of Caldera. In this case, he is seen by citizens and Space Marines alike being hit with firepower and environmental hazards that should have killed him, Primarch or not. Some citizens even said they saw him die but just get back up. It’s shown that he seems to be exploiting this power to keep the Orks focused on him in order to give Caldera a fighting chance. So I would argue that he remains a Perpetual and his insane regeneration remains intact.
In regards to the Beast Arises novels, nobody *specifically* saw him die or regenerate, as Vulkan's "deaths" were always conveniently obscured by dust, smoke or nearby explosions (Like a missile strike or collapsing building, the latter of which a regular Primarch is able to survive, since Angron survived being stepped on by a Titan), so the PDF only assumed that he died because "nobody could survive that", only for him to re-appear later on. Plus in regards to his ability to regenerate rapidly, he no longer has that ability as of Old Earth, as his wounds would only be healed after installing the Talisman of Seven Hammers into the Golden Throne. Plus you need to take into account that the Beast Arises series came out _prior_ to Old Earth, which when combined with the deliberate vagueness of Vulkan's supposed deaths on Caldera (again, all conveniently hidden by smoke, dust or nearby explosions) it's clear what the writers intended, but didn't want to spoil yet in the Beast Arises books. But if you disagree then that's totally fine, everybody is allowed their own opinion :) Also, what was your source on the "Giant" being seen by an Inquisitor? I'm curious.
Everyone talking about who's the giant but nobody asking how big Trazyn's collection is... Man released a sliver of his collection is enough to hold the traitor long enough for Cawl..
Yo, Oculus Imperia feat Ramleez 40K Theories, giant of a man with a face frozen in pain could still be a primarch while not being Vulkan. It could be Rogal Dorn, highly ornate armor would fit, his face in pain of wounds that many chaos marines were inflicting on him moments before his supposed death. Now we only need to know if this giant in Trazyn's collection has both arms or lacks one. You're welcome!
My first thought was that it was one of the lost primarchs, but I guess they're both confirmed dead since they were never mentioned/Clonegrim being his first primarch.
Great video from you, as always. I really don't buy the idea that either Vulkan is dead (pretty thin text), that a normal space marine is the "giant in Baroque armor" (absolutely non-unique), or that it couldn't be even Dorn. . .
I personally find Dorn to be fairly unlikely, due to the fact that he disappeared (or died) at least 5000 before Trazyn first obtained a Primarch for his collection.
Imperium's assumption about Trazyn's intentions upon Cadia: "Even the Xenos have seen the justness of our cause! Onwards!" Trazyn's true intention: "That fortress belongs in a museum! Mine specifically!"
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To be honest, shutting down the Eye of Terror would probably be one of the main goals of the Necrons.
@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 That is what the pylons were for.
I am now picturing Trazyn the Infinite with a Leather Fedora and a Bull Whip.
@@anangrylad7214 No, the Pylons are relics of the War in Heaven. The just so happened to from at the center of what once was Old Ones space; To which later was Eldar space. It was blind luck that what was designed to nullify psychers ended up impeading the Eye.
I bet if GW made an art book of Trazyn's collection, it would fly off the shelves.
That actually sounds cool. I miss sometimes the old 90's - early 2000s GW that sometimes made some in universe book. Like the Witch Hunter's guid and the Liber Chatoica for the Fantasy, the Xenology for the 40K. And such.
ty for that idea.
Zoink.
Maybe something like museum or even auction house catalogue...
They would be gone faster then a blood raven can steel your relics
I'll take 20 please
Little known fact, Trazyn the klepto can be awfully generous when called on.
He's not used to people saying "please" I guess
@@jamesflowers1295 usually he hears "Xenos!!" And gets peppered with laserpointers :p
'Generous' or ultimately self serving. Just remember Cadia came at a price
@@johncaddick5075 The planet broke before the guard!
Shout aloud this battlecray lest the martyrs sacrifice be forgotten.
@@metalk1tt3n Meat bags and Humies always say that, thay die just as quick.
Last time I was this ear-
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So many Imperial moments 'worth' remembering - Trazyn is so an Imperial fan boy.
Trazyn the Stan, of the BTS Dynasty.
I bet Trazyn plays an 8th ed. Imperial Soup army.
Can’t tell me he’s not waiting for the moment to scoop up Big E
It's just a Squat wearing a big old Power Armour.
_Mother of God_
It's just *three Squats wearing a big old Power Armour. Fixed it for ya ;)
@@Dontreallycare5 I think the Emperor could be just Three Pysker Squats wearing a Big Golden Power Armor and then left an old skelington on the throne when Horus' shit hit the fan.
@@40KTheories That Flash Gitz reference.
Not to be confused with Trazyn's steampunk edition Peter Dinklage clone
A screaming giant in baroque power armor?
Could it possibly be...
Karl the deranged?!
It's the time of the dark let noone survive!
god dammit
there is one thing that it could be, A golden age era human soldier
Hello like minded friend! This was to be my own outlandish and unsupported theory. An example of a genetically enhanced warrior (possibly from the war against the iron folk) created by humanity during the dark age (golden age ) of technology. After all the techniques of the gene crafters of earth and the moon are said to be leftovers from that time. Pale imitations of the former glory.
Idk, but Trayzn might have awakened during HH.
@@zuluactual839 True, but the Warp is fickle and may have spat out a ship or hibernation pod of some sort or something similar after a long time had passed
@@zuluactual839 Trazyn was awake and actively collecting long before humanity collapsed in on itself
@@AsbestosMuffins Interesting, is it available in Wiki? I'm gonna check.
My guess would be a Thunder Warrior, the face contorted in a scream could be the mental degradation they suffer from and was captured during a mental break and screaming out in pain
I thought that Mark 1 Thunder Plate was discribed as crude. I can't square crude and baroque in my mind.
@@jesseberg3271 boroque means there a lot of gold
@@dovahkiin_brasil No. Baroque means "ornate detail". That's why baroque is a painting style as well as an architecture style.
@@jesseberg3271 it was crude as in low tech. But it was pretty ornate and flamboyant
The thunder warrior "primarch"? I think that custodian dude skullfucked him though
personally i think the giant in his collection would be a fabulous explanation as to why "the lost" primarch
Alas it is a Deathwatch marine ( brother Cassiel) not a Primarch, but it was written (from Fabius Bile: clonelord)that in the past he was close to capture a Son of The Emperor, maybe the 2* one.
Hey when your Immortal you need to have hobbies.
And there is no resin crack on the grim 40k universe
Small correction: Bile didn't trade Clonegrim because Bile was angry. Bile traded him because the effect he had on the rest of Bile's creation, undermining his life's work
He was also angry though. He says something about seeing the Emperor's Children just repeating history all over again, that he saw flashes of the clone going down the same path.
@@cthulhupthagn5771
‘No, Benefactor,’ Igori whispered, clutching at him. ‘Do not do this.’
‘I must. For you.’ For them all. He could see it now - the madness that had gripped them, him included. He had almost slipped back into the old ways, and let the future burn in the fires of the Phoenix’s resurrection. His great work, all for nothing. All that
he had endured, all that he had striven for, undone by the being before him. Igori… his New Men… he saw them now, in his mind’s eye, bending knee before Fulgrim. Abasing themselves. He would not allow it. Could not.
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‘Teacher? What are you talking about? I have done all of this for you. Are you displeased? What have I done wrong?’
‘Nothing,’ Fabius said. The word felt like poison on his tongue. ‘You have done nothing wrong. But this was a mistake. I must rectify it.’
Whoops, my bad. In either case, it doesn't change the fact that Bile gave Trazyn the clone.
@@AlexanderForsman This excerpt is a large part of why I think Clonegrim would have remained a loyalist. Bile constantly pushes his opinions of modern Fulgrim on Clonegrim without recognizing how different they acted, so he naturally thinks that Clonegrim would simply become a second daemon prince. I think Bile put Clonegrim on ice because of his pride.
bile didnt want his new men worshiping clonegrim the way the EC worshiped fulgrim
Side theory: Ciaphas Cain didn't die, Trazyn 'collected' him sometime during the 13th black crusade (he also found a tanith fife and drum band so presumably Gaunt is pissed) for his Imperial Guard wing, thus the standing orders that he be kept on active duty are perfectly reasonable.
I would assume based on 40k lore the giant is most likely Alpharius, but he was pretending to be a legionairre pretending to be Alpharius, so Trayzen just didn't know he actually had a primarch yet...
Plausible
Unlikely. Alpharius and his twin Omegon were described as the smallest of the Primarchs, which is part of what allowed them to disguise themselves as "ordinary" Alpha Legion Space Marines.
Rigel Cummins Alpharius would still be 9-10 feet tall
@@rigelcummins1460 Not even that it was more or less both that Alpharius & Omegeon were shorter than the average Primarch and that their legion was just taller than the average astartes.
@@rigelcummins1460 they were still big
Its actuallly 3 ratlings standing on each others shoulders.
The ultimate warrior!
Blood Ravens: We take shiny relics we like!
Trazyn: Amateurs.
He takes shiny relics, though may not be relics, and also may not be shiny, that he likes, as well as those he doesn't like, and also which are historically "interesing-as in they did something"
@@kephrekhtheunbroken7510 that is exactly what pit friend is saying. Trazyn is calling the Blood Ravens amateurs for ONLY collecting shiny relics they like
Angry face and a giant in power armor, sounds like a Thunder Warrior to me
Imagine a tour of the entire gallery, with explainations about the various exhibits and the events repersented. It could enitrely be feasible that *if* a human were to ever go on such a tour, they may not actually be able to live long enough unassisted to see the entire darn thing.
It is referenced in The Infinate and The Divine that Trazyn abducts random people to show them his gallery.
A tour, then at the end a slot for you being the first tourist
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Good one.
My head canon is that it's one of the 2 unnamed Primarchs.
It is hinted that the Second Primarch had something to do with the Necrons before he [REDACTED] so its possible it is him.
Or he stole the dude
@@ssjjshawn my personal theory is that the 2nd Primarch discovered that the Machine God is the Void Dragon and got yeeted Horus style by Emps.
Maybe it's just just unnamed Thunder Warrior veteran. They were known for wearing proto-power armor and being described as highly ornate could just mean his set was highly decorated for his feats in battle.
Unlikely, given that most Thunder Warrior veterans don't survive that long.
Listening to The Infinite and the Divine right now, and damn is Trazyn a good character
Trazyn Da Infinite is da best
@@witmanntheinfinite I think you might just be correct.
I, too, saw Majorkills video and bought the audiobook
I want a sequel so badly but where do you even go from that gem of a book
Black library going to be scratching their heads wondering why there was a massive spike in sales for that one audiobook lol
Trayzn: Ah, this [insert subject] will make a fine addition to my collection.
Titan
Planet?
God
I like the idea that this warrior is actually a Thunder Warrior.
Huh. Being so early there’s no comments before a refresh is weird.
I still like the theory that the baroque figure is a Custodies just for the meme that Trazyn and will collect things from places he has no business being
While Trazyn was known to have a Custodian in his collection, there is a surprising amount of evidence to suggest that the Baroque Giant in question is *not* a Custodes. (See later in this video ;) )
It is still possible it could be Valdor himself.
@@40KTheories Ha! Fair enough.
@@ExploratorNerfy that would be a bummer since valdor could possibly be the king in yellow
So it is my head canon is that the asteroid that killed the Dinosaurs was rock that went astray during a battle in the war in heaven.
I like that theory. I’m tweaking it and stealing it.
and make it from the old ones lol
They just didn't see any need for lizardmen in 40k.
It was probably a fragment of the Void Dragon. The same one the Emperor battled and then imprisoned on Mars. (Despite the fact that space travel wouldn't exist for centuries.)
@@Warrior-Of-Virtue It's the Emperor, he probably teleported them there.
Big Occy coming through with the Trazyn lore.
What if it is a Primaris that got spat out of the warp going back to the past and Tryzyn Klepto kept it because "technically it is the first Primaris"
It could always be one of the two unknown primarchs, but I think it's Vulkan. Simply because Trazyn hunts the nine artifacts of Vulkan, and if his sons were going to find all of them he would be very close by to return. Quite a self fulfilling prophecy 😉
Vulkan's Nine Artifacts would be perfect bait to draw Trayzyn out. then the Burny Bois could jump him, nab his teleporter stick, warp to his Museum and set Papa free.
@@walterlopez5054 They would have to find him in a planet spanning museum.
Maybe its because Trazyn would be willing to trade Vulkan for all 9 artifacts
I was summoned.
Never figured you as one to answer summons.
@@shadowstrider8295 I do when it suits me.
@@anangrylad7214 Or when others sing your praises, though I can't blame you.
Again, I can show you where to dig up a recently dead human prince of english lineage for a tour of your gallery. Hit me up and I'll get my shovel. (We could probably also get a queen if you'll send a few warriors ) :)
@@anangrylad7214 what do you want this time?
There are two more options:
1. It could be a Gray Knight. The combination of anti-warp psyker and superhuman is quite interesting.
2. It does not have to be a space marine. It could also be a remarkabel Chaos Space Marine.
Kind of odd hearing oculus without a choir in the background
I hope this dynamic also applies to Oculus Imperia canon and Historitor just invokes Lord Inquisitor Dinobot next time Ordo Hereticus comes knocking with ball clapper servitors.
Then again, they don't care that he is under a *primarchs* protection so don't think it matters.
Ya, and it is an Ordo Minoris up against an Ordo Majoris, not that that's stopped Remleiz in the past. But I tend to see these collaborations as the Oculus currying favor with another powerful patron, rather than trying to aquire a get out of jail free card.
Wait, I always though the Giant was one of the famous missing Grey Knights, like Janus.
If Trazyn really wanted to help, he should have released Clonegrim.
I think that would have caused more harm than help.
@@anangrylad7214 Another loyal Primarch would definitely be a boon, and the other Fulgrim isn't made of meat anymore, just warp stuff. The entire Imperium believing in a heroic Fulgrim would probably weaken the demon one.
@@dracorex426 Or the Imperium would kill him.
I have the sneaking suspicion that Bobby G would NOT react well to waking up to a second Fulgrim running about, not to mention the rest of the Imperium's reactions.
@@anangrylad7214 excuse me but I was wondering if I could get a tour of your collection? I hear it's the best in the galaxy and I really want to marvel at its grandeur! Please? I can pay with artifacts of humanity from before the age of technology. I can also show where some really cool graves are. We just planted a royal prince so he would still be fresh. Should only take a few warriors.
Now we only need a video with both of you and Luetin09 to achieve perfection.
That's a weird way to spell "prove dominance"
I want them all as guests on lorehammer.
Didn't fabius bile say one of the lost primarch led a expedition to solemnace during the clonelord story?
He did. He was probably the one Trazyn was referring to when he said that he had "almost managed" to acquire a Primarch for his collection.
It would make sense why one of the 2 primarchs is called the lost and I can imagine the war that went on in solemnace during that expedition
@@40KTheories *laughs in Fulgrim's perfect clone already in Trazyn's collection.
@@12NuKe21 the meme sucks enough without straining to make your joke fit
So, how long before the Blood Ravens "borrow" Trazyn's house keys?
Never going to find it, especially when there are so many unlocked reliquaries needing to be secured.
I can just imagine the Blood Ravens and Trazyn constantly stealing and re-stealing stuff from each other
@@Smeghead76 This is an idea I can wholely get behind... just so long as they secure the reliquaries.
This.
It’s a Dark Heresy Campaign, I just haven’t been able to write it up yet.
It's Lemon Russ, Trazyn caught him by accident next to a warp rift.
I think so too.
Why not Dorn? What a trump card he would have. That or possibly the fabled "false primarch." After all, it would certainly be unique.
There's a thought!
I find Dorn fairly unlikely, purely in regards to the timeline, since Dorn "disappeared" (more likely died) _long_ before Trazyn obtained the Fulgrim clone.
@@40KTheories true, wasn't thinking too deeply on that one. Hope you're doing well!
Pretty sure Trazyn only aids mankind in defeating chaos/tyranids etc because they are a threat to his collection.... plus none of his artifacts are insured 😆 lol
4:15 hmmm I noticed the belt of ammo "appears" to have no bullets in them, but through the power of belief, they know bullet casing shoot bullet, so it shoot bullet. now im imaging an ork with no gun but a single bullet casing between his fingers, running around yelling bang
Yelling "DAKKADAKKADAKKA" while shooting their guns is actually a thing orks do, so it's believable.
in "Infinite and Divine, trazyn was present at the Istvarn V drop site massacre, so pick a primarch there he could collect
None All but one lived and the one that died Ferrus manus was mutilated by the traitors.
@@anangrylad7214 at least three different canons to this, come the hell on
Glad you revisited this topic today my friend, me and my friends talked about him recently
Oh cool! Another collab! On my birthday no less. You have made my day even better Lore Masters.
Happy Birthday :D
Happy birthday mate :)
Happy birthday!
@@40KTheories thank you, this made my day!
@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 thanki!
It's one of ma bois.
Can I borrow your Golden Throne?
@@anangrylad7214 Do you have a loaner?
@@godemperorofmankind7255 I might let me check.
Send in the Blood Ravens to "reacquire" it just to make it sure
Bloody magpies.
Ain't trazyn their primarch?
@@winnipuh94 Yes
Trazyn just loves to make another fine adition to his collection xD
Georgian
A fine collaboration. A rare opportunity for adepts like us to learn from two masters.
Crack theory: It's the Emperor.
When Horus went through the gate at Moloch, he came out aged and corrupted. He had clearly gone through an extended period of time before being returned to realspace at the moment he entered. The same happened to the Emperor, but unlike Horus, who went through the trials and tribulations the Chaos Gods intended to use to break him, and thus he came out broken as intended, the Emperor, precisely as he was accused of doing, cheated. By getting Trazyn to scoop him up for his collection, he proceeded to spend the entire duration of his tribulation in stasis in Trazyn's museum.
This also meant that he was able to get glimpses of events from the true future whenever the stasis field went a little on the fritz, letting him know things like the fact that only nine of his sons would remain loyal, which sparks his paranoia and secrecy regarding his projects as he tries to figure out who would and would not betray him.
I'd love if it was Constantine Valdor. Especially given all the yellow king stuff swirling around right now. Imagine if Trayzn got his hands on Valdor and the Yellow King turns out to be Rogal Dorn all along. After all, Fists are Yellow, Custodes are Gold
Got to love these guys get working together.
I’m up to late to watch this. I’ll be back in the morning
Cya bro
Ok I’m back
Hey can you please do one on Honsou of the Iron Warriors please
Love this channel and love the crossovers!!! ❤️❤️
I personally think it's a thunder warrior for one there was no set pattern for the Mark 1 power armor so some could be ornate and I believe it's hinted that they still had memories of their past lives unlike space Marines and custodes
Outright stated. They aren't abducted as kids
Trazyn in his comfy chair in the thumbnail
i'd love for it to be Loken or Garro, or any heresy era Marine just to have to possibility of seeing the 40k universe though them. as unlikely as this will be
Maybe it is the God Emperor of humanity himself and an imposter sits upon the golden throne.
Im not sure Trazyn could hold (in prison) The Emperor of Man.
It's 2 am and I'm drunk after a wedding. Sleep can wait 19 mins
My favorite Trazyn lore tidbit: he attended a Necron historical play on the War in Heaven and the betrayal by The Deceiver. The performance lasted 100 years.
His review after watching it: “eh, it was just ok.”
Good to see the good Historator is in HIS most holy Inquisitions good graces. Ave Imperator
Btw Vulcan Lives!!
The space clepto
I love Occy and I love this channel. More of this kind of content, please!!!
With Trazyn? I wouldn't put it past that SOB.
What did you call me?
@@anangrylad7214 S. O. B. But with a modicum of respect.
It's actually the first ever ogryn clone, it's power armor is so ornate because it was actually a success, it didn't have the disabilities that normal ogryn have or the unluckyness that clones have. He, the perfect ogryn, was the chosen one.
My idea is that the person is Captain Saul Tarvitz.
I would love it if that were true. Tarvits is one of my favorites Space marines.
Another worthy entry to the records Scribe.
I would say it is imperative that the Imperium captures and imprisons this Xeno. As a priority. With review of his "collection" and release of any Imperial citizens.
The figure may be one of vulcans relics. Perhaps engine of woe, an early centurion suit maybe. Or undying flame, a daemon bound into a suit or automaton
I love trazyn
He loves you too.😉
Can’t wait for Trazyn meets the Blood Ravens. May the world series of klepto begin!
40k Theories and Occulus! What could be better...?!
Nice to hear you again!
Trazyn is known to have an entire collection of vintage 1970 to 1979 Playboy’s in mint condition!!!
Trazyn "whats with all the hair" he may of thought this is why xenos call them Monkai!
I was seriously trying to google this like 20 min ago and gave up cause I couldnt spell Baroque XD ty for the video
UA-camrs like this are the real MVPs
What I’d give to have a real world equivalent where a plurality of the old legendary items of history existed and were kept.
You mean a museum? Lol
@widder shins yes trazyn has a collection of common muskets and the legendary toilet bowl rim.
Trazyn is 💯 percent every collector. He's also got a desire to get them all. ❤
Blood Ravens : Well boys, looks like we are going to plunder ...... I mean librerate some Xeno and Imperial artifacts for research from a Necron Lord....... yes , Research
My guess is that GW just wanted something vague enough that, if they decided to do something with it later, they could claim that "it was always this guy!"
sick music, and naration of course
Perhaps a Grey Knight? Very ornate, very rare, and would certainly be a treasure to him
Like all good collectors he keeps them stored away it the original packaging if possible. I can respect that.
A Primarch would be worth more 'mint in package' !
The greatest Pokemon trainer ever
Rogal Dorn? One reason why no one was able to find his "Giant Baroque Power Armour" wearing butt........And he was a little upset about daddy :o
Trazyn the Infinite and General Grevious would be the best nerd friends! they both love collecting things.
Didn't you already do this one before?
This is an updated and remastered video done primarily to correct a few errors that were in the original, as well as to generally expand the amount of information presented for additional context.
@@40KTheories Perfectly acceptable. Just making sure I'm not going mad...der then usual
I still believe the giant is Fulgrim Reborn for a couple reasons:
1. He’s the only confirmed Primarch in Trazyn’s custody.
2. The giant was witnessed by an Inquisitor who would have been well aware of what was a standard Astartes and what was not. The fact she labeled it a ‘giant’ tells me she knew it was something else, something bigger.
3. Trazyn may have simply changed Fulgrim’s features and fitted him with some power armor to make him look more dramatic versus leaving him in scraps. It’s been confirmed that Trazyn has put other ‘subjects’ in equipment and uniforms that are not theirs to fit into the narrative he’s trying to create, so I see no reason he wouldn’t do the same with Fulgrim. Because when you think about it, what would be a more dramatic moment than Fulgrim screaming to the sky after killing Ferrus Manus since it’s the first confirmed time a Primarch killed another Primarch? ‘The Fall of Fulgrim’ fresco would certainly appeal to Trazyn’s sense of drama no?
Also, I’d respectfully disagree that Vulkan lost his Perpetual powers after being stabbed with the fulgerite by John Grammaticus.
The Emperor was correct that this was a True Death, but I don’t see any evidence that this resulted in the loss of his fantastic powers of rebirth.
For proof, I’d like to point to The Beast Arises Book 7: The Hunt for Vulkan where the Salamander’s Primarch was almost single handedly holding off the massive Ork invasion of Caldera. In this case, he is seen by citizens and Space Marines alike being hit with firepower and environmental hazards that should have killed him, Primarch or not. Some citizens even said they saw him die but just get back up.
It’s shown that he seems to be exploiting this power to keep the Orks focused on him in order to give Caldera a fighting chance. So I would argue that he remains a Perpetual and his insane regeneration remains intact.
In regards to the Beast Arises novels, nobody *specifically* saw him die or regenerate, as Vulkan's "deaths" were always conveniently obscured by dust, smoke or nearby explosions (Like a missile strike or collapsing building, the latter of which a regular Primarch is able to survive, since Angron survived being stepped on by a Titan), so the PDF only assumed that he died because "nobody could survive that", only for him to re-appear later on.
Plus in regards to his ability to regenerate rapidly, he no longer has that ability as of Old Earth, as his wounds would only be healed after installing the Talisman of Seven Hammers into the Golden Throne. Plus you need to take into account that the Beast Arises series came out _prior_ to Old Earth, which when combined with the deliberate vagueness of Vulkan's supposed deaths on Caldera (again, all conveniently hidden by smoke, dust or nearby explosions) it's clear what the writers intended, but didn't want to spoil yet in the Beast Arises books. But if you disagree then that's totally fine, everybody is allowed their own opinion :)
Also, what was your source on the "Giant" being seen by an Inquisitor? I'm curious.
He basically just wanted to turn the whole universe into a history museum
Everyone talking about who's the giant but nobody asking how big Trazyn's collection is... Man released a sliver of his collection is enough to hold the traitor long enough for Cawl..
Trazyn, the ultimate Warhammer collector.
Yo, Oculus Imperia feat Ramleez 40K Theories, giant of a man with a face frozen in pain could still be a primarch while not being Vulkan. It could be Rogal Dorn, highly ornate armor would fit, his face in pain of wounds that many chaos marines were inflicting on him moments before his supposed death. Now we only need to know if this giant in Trazyn's collection has both arms or lacks one. You're welcome!
Trazyn only helped stop the 13th black crusade because he really wanted horus’s armour so he can finish his emperor vs Horus diorama
My first thought was that it was one of the lost primarchs, but I guess they're both confirmed dead since they were never mentioned/Clonegrim being his first primarch.
Both are almost definitely dead, though its heavily implied one of them fell to Chaos, so one could still be kickin around the Warp.
Great video from you, as always. I really don't buy the idea that either Vulkan is dead (pretty thin text), that a normal space marine is the "giant in Baroque armor" (absolutely non-unique), or that it couldn't be even Dorn. . .
I personally find Dorn to be fairly unlikely, due to the fact that he disappeared (or died) at least 5000 before Trazyn first obtained a Primarch for his collection.
@@40KTheories, agreed, I think he's dead, but the 7th Legion friends around me are insistent.
If Curze's visions are correct (and he was correct in regards to those that he had of the other Primarchs) then Dorn is indeed dead ;)
Trazyn goes to war to replace things in his collection that are lost or damaged. He obviously hasn’t heard of eBay
they show in hammer and bolter that it is indeed a thunder warrior
The giant could just be an oversized ogryn who was given power armor by his former inquisitorial master
Imagine the coin he could earn turning his exhibits into tourist trap. Though he'd likely take the trap part to literal.
Trayzn does not have the complete collection of the Chaos Gods.
Let's gooooooooo!!!
trazyn collects salamander artifacts and weapons, blood ravens "collect" trazyn and his collection