Rich Talks Records Ep 31- Public Image Ltd in 1978
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2024
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In this episode I discuss the formation of Public Image Ltd out of the ruins of The Sex Pistols, their emerging ethos, absolutely brilliant debut single and masterpiece album 1978's Public Image Ltd- First Issue. I also talk about their early liver performances as well as the backgrounds of their formidable early line up. Please enjoy!!
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Public Image Promo Clip- • PIL - Public Image
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Thank you for shining a light on this truly monumental album of musical history. All rules broken, a courageous reinvention breaking away from the cocoon of punk the one John found himself in: saw that it was a dying corpse. Just look at the puppets that he left behind covering trad rock n roll songs and the saddest story of Sid’s demise
Thank you John for fronting two of the best England ever produced.
Thank you for watching and leaving such a great comment!! I agree 100%
Your best video yet and I'm with you on this amazing debut and I don't understand why it's not a bigger deal. I mean, it's really THE Post Punk statement IMO. I love Metal Box but I think this album is even stronger (it battles Album for my favorite PIL album). And really what sounded like this before this album? I also love Magazine, but the way I see the genesis of Post Punk is as follows: Station To Station opened the door. Magazine walked trough that door. PIL ran through the door and turned everything upside in the house. And I love the parallel between Eddie Van Halen and Keith Levene: they both established how 1980s guitar was going to sound. And man, was I shocked to learn -- from your video -- how young and green Jah Wobble was on bass! You wouldn't know it from hearing his bass on those first two PIL albums: "all action" indeed. And IMO just as innovative and stylistically influential as what Levene was doing: think about how bass sounded before and after in modern rock thanks to what Wobble was doing. Or to put it another way: if guitarists like the Edge were biting from Levene, bassists like Adam Clayton were biting from Wobble. And then there's John: one of the greatest frontmen and maverick artists ever and you're spot on about him as well. I also really liked the comparison between him and Ice Cube: LOTS of similarities between them. Anyway, thanks for schooling me further on this great musical force. I love this detailed focus of what this incarnation of the band was doing by year. Looking forward to 1979 and all that low end on the horizon...!!
I enjoyed reading your well presented comment. Of course album liking is a purely personal preference, so I can't make you think otherwise: just as with food, you like what you like. I also liked your album name-checking for 'post punk'. That was very mainstream naming of you. Of course, there's plenty of 'underground' artists (probably German) who trod the post punk track well before Bowie even considered Station To Station (and he probably got the idea from them, too). Yes, Lydon is a maverick, most freethinking people are., but I'm surprised you didn't know about Wobble's novice status as a bassist (I thought it was a well-known tidbit), but there you go, I guess. Levene's playing was/is so original that of course it'd be a benchmark for any new sound ie: The Edge has made a career from using Levene's style (without the merest suggestion of an acknowledgement or a thanks). But for me (and the many), Metal Box/Second Issue will remain their seminal 'breakthrough' composition (akin to MBVs LOVELESS)
Love this PIL album. A classic. Made me punk out and laugh
You have outstanding taste!! And I think there's always a great sense of humor in Lydon's work, and they're all pretty funny in fact!
@@richtalksrecords If you'd like to see my taste in punk, just google The Top 15 Punk Albums. A review on an audiophile site called Analog Planet
Awesome!! Found the article, and will definitely check it out!
@@richtalksrecords thanks! There are embedded songs too. Unfortunately some have been deleted due to copyright issues. but you can always hear them on another channel
This might be one of my favourite UA-cam videos ever, there’s something about that 1978 era of P.I.L, just that first record that does soemthing to me, the band & line up, the video for Public Image, the Rainbow gigs & even the photos taken. Just something so different & yet so fresh
Thank you for your comment, I greatly appreciate it. And obviously I couldn't agree more about how special this period for PiL was!!
@@richtalksrecordsabsolutely mate, that 78’ period is fantastic, you got a favourite song from first issue
I still consider bands such as Siouxsie & the Banshees, Wire, The Pop Group, The Fall, & even The Strangles as having the first post punk albums. Of course, we can go back to Brian Eno, Peter Hammill, etc.
I personally think it's Magazine, which a number of people politely disagreed with (see the comments on my Magazine video) haha. And yeah, Brian Eno, Van Der Graaf Generator, perhaps Nico, some of Cale's stuff are all definitely part of the discussion. As long as it's not reduced to "PiL ripped off Can", I tend to agree!
@@richtalksrecords I loved Magazines first 3 albums, but The Banshees and Wire were pushing the boundaries of Punk before PiL came along. Then there are other lesser known acts The Table, The Prefects, etc.
I think the handwritten lyrics were in the Jon Savage “England’s Dreaming” book.
Maybe THAT'S where I saw it?! Who knows, it's been at least since '99 when I would have paged through that book. I always meant to properly read it, but I just never got around to it like so many other things haha
No jar wobbal was making Dub 45s in the uk he went on after he left pil to do skin head o coner cant spell her name who had. The number one with Prince song n hit Lps he could play this was post punk ginger baker from cream join pil later in 80s
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I will just go ahead and thank you now!! And you will get a shout out in the upcoming 100 subscriber special!
Ha! thanks@@richtalksrecords I really enjoyed this trip down memory lane. Excellent details and critique. Lived it and loved it at the time. Jon's basic honesty still gets me, even today. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?...🤣Peace.
Lydon has just proved who he is on a radio interview in the UK. The guy is a tool.
Bro I’m a long time rotten fan and tried listening to this album on several occasions and it’s crap. I’m a big post punk fan, the first Wire album pink flag now THATS a stunning album!! Even metal box most of it is mindless drivel to me. I’ll keep trying.
First of all, thank you for watching and commenting!! And I totally agree about Wire. I would say the first three albums are basically perfect. As for this album, we all have our different opinions, which is the point. There are tons of beloved albums and groups that I have absolutely no interest in. I think what matters is that you've tried listening with an open mind. And who knows, maybe it'll work for you at some point!
That Wire album is a combination of punk, rock, art rock and rock. Tough to call it post punk since it's from 1977. Just my opinion.
No jar wobbal was playing the roots n dub reggae in all itsforms Lovers rock roots dub skar blue beat rocksteadie was etc sold well in uk fromnumber ones to buberlers n every chart place inbetween from the 60s on wards oh bl dee o h bl dar fab four for example they could all play like the sex pistols who go back to 73 as the garage rock band The strand only sid could not play well like fabs first bass player why they looked the part n could play the root note n stay in time
*As great as early PiL undoubtedly were, I wouldn't go so far as to say they were 'iconoclastic'. Sure, they affronted most listeners with their approach, but I wouldn't say they purposely went out to 'offend' as many ears as possible. They merely played music that they enjoyed. If that's iconoclastic, then so is every child that's bashed tin pots to make a sound. Lydon is a perspicacious chap, but I won't feed his ego by suggesting he's manning the barricades of some imaginary revolution. He's always seemed to do as he pleases, and if others enjoy it, so much the better. He's far from Einstein or Neil deGrasse Tyson, just a freethinking intellectual (which he'd pretend to despise being labelled). But let's not forget that Levene and Wobble were intrinsic to their sound, also. The 'forgotten' heroes of PiL, who fortunately (or unfortunately) saw the lie of the land per Lydon and thought best to 'leave' the 'corporation' before it was far too late*