Rich Talks Records Ep 33- Public Image Ltd in 1979
Вставка
- Опубліковано 12 жов 2024
- #johnlydon #johnnyrotten
In this epic episode, I discuss the revolving door of Public Image Ltd drummers, their unrehearsed live shows, anarchic television appearances, as well as the masterpiece singles Death Disco and Memories, and a deep dive into peerless masterpiece that is Metal Box. I also reveal the winner of the 100 Subscriber Special. Please enjoy!!
www.fodderstomp...
Rock All Over You Podcast- rockalloveryou...
Rich Talks Records Official Instagram- / richtalksrecords
Death Disco Promo Clip- • Public Image Ltd.- Dea...
Live in Manchester- • PiL : Kings Hall Manch...
Live in Leeds- • Public Image Limited-C...
John Lydon on Juke Boxy Jury- • John Lydon on Jukebox ...
Public Image Ltd on Check It Out- • PIL - Live on Check It...
Muziekkrant Oor- January 1979- www.fodderstomp...
Trouser Press- May 1979- www.fodderstomp...
NME- June 1979- www.fodderstomp...
Record Mirror- July 1979- www.fodderstomp...
Zigzag- December 1979- www.fodderstomp...
Melody Maker- December 1979- www.fodderstomp...
Couple of friends worked on metal box at Wessex and townhouse studio for rehearsals,then onto Virgins The Manor to record the album. I still regret not going sick for a day and going with them.
I understand the regret but still really cool!
Totally enjoyed this and can't wait to hear your view on PIL's performance on American Bandstand May 17th, 1980, which is one of my favs!
Thank you!! The PiL in 1980 really is going to largely be based around the Tom Snyder interview and the American Bandstand performance which I am also a huge fan of!
@@richtalksrecords The Tom Snyder interview (the first one) is EPIC! I can't WAIT!!!!
I need a break from PiL right now haha, but when I tackle 1980 and 1981, it will be in similarly rigorous fashion!
Remember it , PIL were an enigma then and this album held so much mystique. He had already shocked the 🌍 in 77. Intrigue was the order of the day for 79. PIL were on TOTP in July 79, Death Disco.
About as intriguing and enigmatic as it gets even after all of these decades!!
what a joy finding this video is! Must check the 1978 video out too as wondering if Wessex studios feature.
Thank you so much!! I think I screwed up not mentioning Wessex in regards to the debut single, I mention Bill Price and John Leckie of course but pretty sure I messed that part up!
I love these videos man please do more 🙏👍🤘
Thank you very much!! I will be doing PiL 1980 & 1981 either at the end of this year or the start of January 2025. I haven’t figured out yet how I want to divide up those videos but it’s definitely on the schedule. Then at some point later next year, I will cover 1982 & 1983, the whole Commercial Zone period etc. The goal is to eventually make videos for everything up to and including That What Is Not. Still a long way off from figuring out how I want to cover the later period albums. So, I ask for your patience, because when the time comes I plan on going as deep with Flowers Of Romance as I did with the first two albums! I absolutely LOVE that album, and the various unreleased tracks and B-sides from then are all gems as well
@@richtalksrecords awesome i look forward to that! 🙂 also love your intro to the boredoms that was really eye (excuse the pun) opening for me! and your parliament/funkadelic video was also really cool!
Thank you!! I appreciate you checking out my other videos as well! I basically have the next several months mapped out, so much more to come!
The Angelic Upstarts guy was 'Mond' Cowie.
Thank you! I just completely blank out sometimes. It's what happens when I have 10 thoughts happening at once
Great overview. It’s really making me regret passing on the super deluxe version. Regarding Yes, I remember Levine saying the guitar riff in Poptones was an unconscious lift from Starship Trooper.
Thank you so much!! That's the song! Damned if I could remember the name when I was filming
Incredible work, thank you. Are any of the band members aware of these documents?
Thank you so much!! Not that I am aware of, though if any of them did ever watch I'd be totally beside myself haha
Your passion shines through my fiend. I do have a copy of the original pressing. A prized procession.
That's amazing and I am very jealous haha
They aren’t that hard to find. Quite a few on eBay………As an aside have you read the book about the making of Metal Box by Phil Strongman. A very interesting read.
I had not even heard of it!! I will have to find a copy. Thank you for letting me know
A GRAND-SLAM KNOCKOUT OF A REVIEW...AS MONUMENTAL AS ITS SUBJECT MATTER!!!
It has been said , that if the Monolith in Kubricks' movie "2001" was a vinyl record album, then it would be the PIL masterwerk " Metal Box". A work so monumental and of such gravitas that it sucks all, music, critical art history and theory into it. There is a good argument for it being not only the pivotal post punk album, but one of the greatest albums in music, up there with Miles Davis, Coltrane, Hendrix The Beatles White album etc ( with lyrics by Samuel Beckett) and thus one of the great artistic achievements and statements of the late 20th century. Certainly I have known academics that have wrote about " Metal Box" in such terms for their final papers at University. In this review Rich does the album justice in the way ( perhaps the only way) that such a monumental album deserves, by serving up a mammoth 3 hour 43 minute investigation into the background and making of such a sprawling piece of art. Diving deep into every detail and providing us with personal insights into the power and significance of the album. Which would all be academic if the music wasn't any good...as it turns out the music is of course FANTASTIC...as is Richs' overview. 3 plus hours well spent, and like the album a monumental piece of work !
Congratulations!! I'll keep an eye out
Thank you, this hugely appreciated!! I think the comparisons you made make ALL the sense in the world!
Finished this epic video which transcends to art at its finest moments. I feel like your review style is similar to Levene's guitar playing: perpetually restless and roaming yet always hitting the mark with punctuated authority. And speaking of authority, you're shaping up to be THE PIL guy on UA-cam. 😉👍🏼Oh, and don't sweat not gifting me the Fugs box-set: I don't currently have a CD player if you can believe that: it's either vinyl or digital downloads for me!
Thank you so much Edwin! I don't know that I've ever gotten better compliments in my life. I am humbled and I greatly appreciate it. I think vinyl or digital downloads make a ton of sense. But I was late to the CD party, and at this point I just have too many to stop now!! Like I said though, we'll figure something out
Huzzah!
Thank you!!
been looking forward to this one really enjoyed the other 2 pil vids and yes i'm glad it's a long one.
Thank you, I was continually shocked by how long this one was taking me. I would film, look at the time and think well that's another 40 minutes haha
man ... youve got that Metal Box in pristine shape ... how in the world it survived Portland's lore ... I guess the reissue but still .. price by chance?
I wrapped it in a sweater to bring it back on the plane haha, as far as price I have absolutely no idea. I remember the surly girl behind the counter, and the huge 80's period Nick Cave poster hanging on the ceiling but that's about it. If I had to guess it would have maybe been around $50?? Like I said in the video, I go out of my way not to play it too much only on special occasions
@@richtalksrecords thats exactly what i would do ... from my youth I have some scuffed up gems that I EEEEK about ... but my more recent treasures are often even still sealed .. I'll just destroy digital files instead for now. 😆
That makes total sense. I was so offhand for how I treated my records in my youth, that I still find myself flipping sleeves in the floor as an afterthought haha, a total affront to other record collectors my age!
The last one was great.. Its detail did the band justice. There's alot to know that people don't know so props to you
I look forward to learning more.. Thx
Thank you so much!! I greatly appreciate it!
The tv programme you were talking about June 1979 was called Granada reports a regional north west news programme where tony Wilson worked (as in factory records tony Wilson)
I watched the programme I think they played either death disco or no birds or possibly both. After the interview with tony Wilson he then quickly organised the factory gig the same night hence no rehearsal.
The 1 minute interview you mentioned is not this that was an Australian interview
Hope this helps
By the way I went to the Leeds sci fi gig sept 1979.
A year later I took my concert stub and got the train to lydons family home in Finsbury Park and his dad signed it for me
How’s that for a story
First of all thank you for watching and commenting!! I tried to find the June 1979 footage, but couldn't, which is a shame since there's a great Tony Wilson hosted program with Howard DeVoto and Pete Shelley on youtube that I love watching. The Australian interview, I knew wasn't right when I was saying it, and honestly I meant to just edit that part out of the video completely. I want to say that I found out that it was filmed in possibly early 1980. And that is an absolutely amazing story! What do remember of the Leeds gig? I wish there was footage of it, or at least more than the 2 photos I've seen. And, what was Mr Lydon like?! I remember John saying something to effect once of "if you think I'm a piece of work, you should see him"
@@richtalksrecords
Hi
I don’t know that quote.
I was a 16 year old and went on the train and had to stay over in the hall until next morning.
Lydon sang with his back to the audiance for alot of the gig due to bottle being thrown and hitting Levine
If you ever heard the gig on UA-cam you will hear Keith angrily telling the person his displeasure.
Wobble sat in armchair all night
Before no birds they all huddled up and had discussion then you hear lydon say shut up where wasting time .
I remember tony Wilson introducing j division I liked them from very early days a lot
Of people were still unfamilar with j d in sept 79.
I went to see pil in I think 2010/11 at Preston 53 degrees
I worked in Preston saw I took half a day off and went up to the hall - waiting hours and hours my intention was to give him the signed by his dad futurism’s Leeds 79 concert stub.
After about 5 hours in pouring rain and blacked out Mercedes
Pulled up , security cordoned it off but me and about 7 others avoided that .
So lydon and Rambo got out
There was a line of about 7 of us inbetween the car and stage door I was last with ticket in hand.
The first guy pulls out something and says can you sign this to which lydon
Says no and walk past us like
An arrogant pig.
After that I sold my ticket on eBay, my original metal box
And most of my Memrobilia
Lost all respect for the guy
Hope you like that story
You can tell it on UA-cam that
Be great.
@@richtalksrecords
Ps saw pil 83 Liverpool and Lancaster university where I live
Next day went to hotel they were staying at and got picture with him signing pil programme I bought at the gig
The other pretend part of the band signed as well Louie something not sure if Martin Atkins was there
Sold that programme as well
@@richtalksrecords
Pps I will give you another pil story you will enjoy.
Went to Preston guildhall May 86 first song Kashmir.
Anyway after gig I got my car and brought it round to where
The tour bus was with intention of following it
As I always wanted a proper conversation with lydon.
Anyway eventually the tour bus set off with me in pursuit
It headed out of town going the opposite way to wear I live
I continued following , I was just about to give up when suddenly it came of the motorway (interstate)
And into a small town
I could see a hotel and bus parking up
As I was a little behind by the
Time I got parked they had gone into the hotel
I sped into the foyer just as
The lift doors were shutting with lydon heading to his room.
I looked around and in the bar area was John mc geoch and rest of the band.
I went to say hello and explained I had followed them from the gig
He invited me to sit down and salad lydon had gone upstairs
To phone his wife and would be down soon - he had bought lydon a pint of lager that was
Sat there waiting for him to come down.
Can you imagine my excitement
To cut a long story lydon never
Appeared so I drank his pint
Well some of it, I accidentally
Knocked half of it over John mc geoch how embarrassing .
Anyway had picture with mc geoch which has got lost somewhere
Nice to tell these stories keeps
Them alive from better days.
Chris from the united kingdom
Why aren’t you as popular? Jesus your vidoes are like movies, as a massive P.I.L fan (especially First Issue/78’) your videos are like diamonds
Thank you so much for such such an awesome comment. I greatly appreciate. While I do wish the channel was bigger, it's still really gratifying that the videos find people who really appreciate them. That being said I am really terrible at promoting myself haha
An outstanding document of this seminal year for this seminal band. I'm stopping at the end your chronological section because it seems like a natural break point. I shall recommence tomorrow evening for your trip inside the Metal Box...!!
Thank you so much Edwin!!
really enjoyed the magazine one too.
Thank you!!