Thanks for an update, Mike! 125W/h idle draw that's nothing, compare to your 18kW PV array. You can easly make that up, even on a cloudy day. I talked to Carrie about the 30kW for you. You are showing the reliable system in a real time connected to the loads panel, and stand behind their product. She said, that they are considering the inverter option, or a high voltage battery system for you. They are greatfull for what you do. She asked me about the local tech support for US customers for their products. That might work. I am about ready to finalize the 107kWh 384V battery system and 10kW wind charge controller purchase. This battery system comes with 21kW built in AC charger. The charge current is adjustable. There is a PV input too. If it was not for a battery backup and the 30kW inverter, I would not even start this vertical wind turbine project. I need to get involved with the controls part soon, the combine it with Sandi. I was able to convince people to treat it as a charger, and not to settle for a grid tied system. That does not pay. Off grid system, large enough, is worth to invest in. It will even make more sense in a near future. I like the way Jack was calling it - the selfish solar😊
@@AdamBoguski thanks for talking to Carrie.I really appreciate it.What you are building sounds fantastic.And there's no use in selling back to the grid because like in California they pulled the rug out from everyone on there price per klw payback.Alot of people mad.And that 20 klw inverter pulls 50 watts less than 4 6000 watt inverters in parallel.I don't notice it at all especially running a 19.4 klw pv array and running 24 hrs a day🙂👍
What you showed us is the consumption the unit takes in standby mode. It's not inverting and making 120/240 AC. That's semi-useful info, but I'd be more interested in the amount is uses internally when it is actually working. Fire it up so its making normal AC output. Disconnect all AC loads, and measure the DC current. That lets us see the minimum the inverter uses on top of what your load uses. This is highly important to folks that are trying to get through periods of poor solar production. If the inverter is using 1,000 watts, even if all you have on in your house is a handfull of 10 watt LED bulbs, and a few other small loads that are in the 10-20 watt range, and the occasional burst of usage from a refrigerator, the 1,000 watt internal consumption of the inverter will be most of the drain on the battery.
@@jimmurphy5355 I can shut down all the loads easily.ill try and do that for everyone.this was just ups mode.But still if you do 4 6000 watt inverters on the wall there idle consumption is crazy then add in 48 volt to 240 efficiency and all the wiring between all them.that is a big loss in efficiency.Would you agree.But ill try to get that test out for everyone.thanks👍
@@mikeg2321 My son put a 48 volt system with 1,800 watts of solar panels in his RV. The 4,000 watt high frequency inverter he used has just 20 watts of internal consumption, even when the unit is making 120 VAC. It only eats 480 watt hours per day, running 24/7/365. He never turns it off. The RV is parked in at a storage site when not in use, but it gets sun there, and he leaves the system powered all the time. He lets it keep the fridge cold, and it also powers a battery maintainer. Low frequency inverters have some great attributes, but the big, heavy iron core transformer is also something of a power hog. When it is energized, even if there is no load on the output, the magnetic field alternating in the core creates some heating of the core. There are various grades of core material, and premium (expensive) grades have less loss than middle of the road grades, but as a good rule of thumb, core losses are 0.5 to 1 watts per pound of core material. For example, if the core weighs 200 pounds, the core loss will be about 100-200 watts. And that value is independent of the load on the inverter. Adding load to the inverter pulls current through the copper windings, and since they have resistance, that creates another category of loss, rather straightforwardly called "copper loss." The copper loss is proportional to the load - little to none at low loads, about equal to the core loss at high loads.
@@mikeg2321 your setup. The idle current of Victron inverters and related equipment is the best in the industry - however it comes at a steep price point.
@@blewis7359victron i definitely the best at pricing 😅...they are very expensive. But function wise. They are not the best.... i'd take Mike's system over any victrons all day. HV Solar far far superior
Thanks Mike. Looking forward to the BMS videos. I’m close to pulling the trigger here.
Thanks for an update, Mike! 125W/h idle draw that's nothing, compare to your 18kW PV array. You can easly make that up, even on a cloudy day.
I talked to Carrie about the 30kW for you. You are showing the reliable system in a real time connected to the loads panel, and stand behind their product. She said, that they are considering the inverter option, or a high voltage battery system for you. They are greatfull for what you do.
She asked me about the local tech support for US customers for their products. That might work.
I am about ready to finalize the 107kWh 384V battery system and 10kW wind charge controller purchase. This battery system comes with 21kW built in AC charger. The charge current is adjustable. There is a PV input too.
If it was not for a battery backup and the 30kW inverter, I would not even start this vertical wind turbine project. I need to get involved with the controls part soon, the combine it with Sandi. I was able to convince people to treat it as a charger, and not to settle for a grid tied system. That does not pay. Off grid system, large enough, is worth to invest in. It will even make more sense in a near future. I like the way Jack was calling it - the selfish solar😊
@@AdamBoguski thanks for talking to Carrie.I really appreciate it.What you are building sounds fantastic.And there's no use in selling back to the grid because like in California they pulled the rug out from everyone on there price per klw payback.Alot of people mad.And that 20 klw inverter pulls 50 watts less than 4 6000 watt inverters in parallel.I don't notice it at all especially running a 19.4 klw pv array and running 24 hrs a day🙂👍
What you showed us is the consumption the unit takes in standby mode. It's not inverting and making 120/240 AC. That's semi-useful info, but I'd be more interested in the amount is uses internally when it is actually working. Fire it up so its making normal AC output. Disconnect all AC loads, and measure the DC current. That lets us see the minimum the inverter uses on top of what your load uses. This is highly important to folks that are trying to get through periods of poor solar production. If the inverter is using 1,000 watts, even if all you have on in your house is a handfull of 10 watt LED bulbs, and a few other small loads that are in the 10-20 watt range, and the occasional burst of usage from a refrigerator, the 1,000 watt internal consumption of the inverter will be most of the drain on the battery.
@@jimmurphy5355 I can shut down all the loads easily.ill try and do that for everyone.this was just ups mode.But still if you do 4 6000 watt inverters on the wall there idle consumption is crazy then add in 48 volt to 240 efficiency and all the wiring between all them.that is a big loss in efficiency.Would you agree.But ill try to get that test out for everyone.thanks👍
@@mikeg2321 My son put a 48 volt system with 1,800 watts of solar panels in his RV. The 4,000 watt high frequency inverter he used has just 20 watts of internal consumption, even when the unit is making 120 VAC. It only eats 480 watt hours per day, running 24/7/365. He never turns it off. The RV is parked in at a storage site when not in use, but it gets sun there, and he leaves the system powered all the time. He lets it keep the fridge cold, and it also powers a battery maintainer. Low frequency inverters have some great attributes, but the big, heavy iron core transformer is also something of a power hog. When it is energized, even if there is no load on the output, the magnetic field alternating in the core creates some heating of the core. There are various grades of core material, and premium (expensive) grades have less loss than middle of the road grades, but as a good rule of thumb, core losses are 0.5 to 1 watts per pound of core material. For example, if the core weighs 200 pounds, the core loss will be about 100-200 watts. And that value is independent of the load on the inverter. Adding load to the inverter pulls current through the copper windings, and since they have resistance, that creates another category of loss, rather straightforwardly called "copper loss." The copper loss is proportional to the load - little to none at low loads, about equal to the core loss at high loads.
@@jimmurphy5355 understand but 4into25 is 6.So 6 x 20 is 120 watts for 25 klws of invertering.But like I said I'll do the test so everyone knows.
6:21 😮 bug-eyed lol
@@pearlrival3124 LOL 😂😂
You looked a little lost there for a second when I all the beeping went on,,,lol
Thought he was on drugs
Lol
@@SolarArrayBuildingSeries-ci3jh did you get the screenshot email with Wendy's company
@mikeg2321 yes, thanks Mike
Hey Mike what is the name band of that voltmeter?
@@SolarArrayBuildingSeries-ci3jh ill get it for you when I go. Back out to solar shed
My multimeter makes me poop everytime it beeps when I leave it on lol.
All Victron equipment would cut that at twice the cost!
@@blewis7359 what do you mean.twice the cost of what sir.thanks
@@mikeg2321 your setup. The idle current of Victron inverters and related equipment is the best in the industry - however it comes at a steep price point.
@@blewis7359 yes and all the add-on components will wish you had a rich uncle 😂😂💯👍
@@blewis7359victron i definitely the best at pricing 😅...they are very expensive. But function wise. They are not the best.... i'd take Mike's system over any victrons all day. HV Solar far far superior