Optical SteadyShot vs In-Body Image Stabilization

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  • @ensoniq2k
    @ensoniq2k 10 місяців тому +1

    Instant thumbs up for mounting two cameras on the same holder. Better than any comparison with lens change.

  • @andreeadobre3190
    @andreeadobre3190 4 роки тому +18

    I'm looking into these things since I just bought an A6400. It's a bit bizarre for me when most of my university time (cinematography) was about how to do image stabilization with your bare hands and body, and I did just fine for years with an old beat up Canon 550D and vintage lenses. It's cool how much technology can do for us but let's not forget that skills > gear. Learn how to position your arms, how to move your legs when shooting handheld video walking or even with a tripod, how to sync your breathing to what you do with the camera etc. Be aware of everything your body is doing in relation to the camera, experiment, practice. It's all free.

    • @mirrorlessny
      @mirrorlessny 3 роки тому +1

      so true there are many things one can do to make things more smooth, good thing recently Sony introduced ACTIVE IBIS which noticeably improves stabilization on cameras like ZV-1 & A7SIII, hopefully all their future models will get it

  • @pizzablender
    @pizzablender 5 років тому +15

    For testing stabilization in photography, you really need to have longer shutter speeds (1/30th at 30mm for example) and take a number of shots. Also, aperture around 5.6-8 so that focus is not so critical.

  • @henryD9363
    @henryD9363 5 років тому +16

    Thank you, thank you thank you! You are the first reviewer on UA-cam to tackle this topic. You did a really good job in making the comparison. Thanks again.
    I should add It's amazing that of the hundreds of UA-cam photography comparison videos I've watched, nobody has ever done an in-body versus optical stabilization comparison. At least never for the Sony. Congratulations and thanks again.

    • @IRFAN-po5sz
      @IRFAN-po5sz 4 роки тому

      Can you please recommend me that for a6400 which lenses i must buy. ? Thanks i already has 18-135 kit lens.

  • @jaikavi5464
    @jaikavi5464 5 років тому +52

    Nice to see a comparison between optical and internal stabilisation. Taking this further, it would be helpful to see the comparison for video between either one one these stabilisation functions and both together! Thanks

  • @leonarddavis8449
    @leonarddavis8449 5 років тому +120

    Should have been using slow shutter speeds to test the stabilisation for stills.

  • @thomasp5185
    @thomasp5185 5 років тому +57

    Get this man to 100k! He makes great videos.

  • @jeremylavine
    @jeremylavine 5 років тому +6

    I love this channel and have been looking for more a6400 vs. a6500 comparisons, but for someone trying to decide between these two models, a more helpful comparison would:
    1. Test the same lenses on each body to isolate the effect of IBIS
    2. Test the slowest shutter speed that results in a sharp handheld photo at various focal lengths (especially longer ones) - then calculate approximately how many stops of stabilization IBIS provides by taking log2 of the no-IBIS shutter duration over the IBIS shutter duration
    3. Test handheld video while standing still
    4. (Slightly more niche:) Test on a gimbal while walking. All reviewers are saying to just use a gimbal for video and you don't need IBIS, but gimbals have micro-jitters that IBIS helps with.
    There are a few videos testing these, but nothing super thorough, especially covering longer focal lengths.
    If you cover any of these points as an add-on review, that would be great!
    Would also be very interesting if you covered the claimed color science improvements in the a6400 especially for skin tones, both with AWB and with manual white balance. And of course direct comparison of the eye auto focus and object tracking auto focus modes for both models.
    I've mulled over renting an a6400 and making a video doing such comparisons with my a6500 myself, but I'm sure these review videos are a ton of work to get right.

    • @florawirz7613
      @florawirz7613 5 років тому

      Jeremy Lavine that would be perfect ! I hope he's gonna see your comment

    • @boxbeatle
      @boxbeatle 2 роки тому

      Did you do the comparisons of the a6400 vs a6500? I was shopping for the a6400 when I impulsively purchased a new a6500 body at a really good price. Then I had regrets and purchased the a 6400 body. I’m shopping for a lens now. I hate to test a6500 since it is new, never used and I will have to sell one of these two cameras. I’m driving myself nuts deciding between these two. I need to take in as many good comparisons as I can.

  • @scottwu
    @scottwu 5 років тому +16

    Thank you so much for this! Would be cool to also see test footage of both IBIS and OSS working together

  • @Conceptx9
    @Conceptx9 5 років тому +23

    I was waiting for the color science comparison between the a6400 and 6500, thanks!

    • @florawirz7613
      @florawirz7613 5 років тому +2

      Conceptx9 I would really love to see that !

  • @floridaofiowaaerialsandpho1440
    @floridaofiowaaerialsandpho1440 5 років тому +7

    Great comparison. I have personally found IBIS to make a big difference for me as far as photography goes vs OSS. As a landscape guy, I tend to leave my tripod in my vehicle much more often and rely on handheld methods for single shots.

  • @MikoTiotangco
    @MikoTiotangco 5 років тому +18

    Thanks for this! Great video. I’m using an a6500 and i love its ibis a lot.

    • @jelianfilm1434
      @jelianfilm1434 5 років тому

      Dito ka naman boss. 😁

    • @lostinoc3528
      @lostinoc3528 5 років тому +4

      Why do you love the Ibis, when this video shows it's useless?

    • @mehul3028
      @mehul3028 3 роки тому

      @@lostinoc3528 He has no other option

    • @project-overland
      @project-overland 3 роки тому +1

      Ibis is meant for stills work, not video, it’s a common misconception (ps, I am an a6500 owner - use a ronin or slider when needed)

    • @NathanElcoate
      @NathanElcoate 3 роки тому

      @@lostinoc3528 Ibis for stills. Makes a huge difference.

  • @brunofalcone9979
    @brunofalcone9979 3 роки тому +5

    Please redo the video using lower shutter speeds, it'd be really interesting to know! The idea is to find out how slow the shutter speed can be with both systems, and looking at different focal lengths. Stabilization becomes useful for shutter speeds below the reciprocal rule. People say that OSS is better at longer focal lengths, so you could try at 70, 100, 200, etc. Thanks for your videos, they are very good and unbiased!

  • @webdaddy
    @webdaddy 5 років тому +4

    1. There are two Sigma trios - the 2.8 trio and the 1.4 trio
    2. Another channel compared Sony to Panasonic IBIS and Panasonic was much better
    3. My Pixel 2 XL combination of OIS and EIS almost looks like a gimbal shot in video and is much, much better than the Sony A6500 handheld for video.
    4. Continued great videos, thanks for doing the test and for your channel!

    • @HSNG10
      @HSNG10 5 років тому +1

      Those with small sensors will have better IBIS simply because the sensors are smaller. But if you enlarge the images the ones captured by smaller sensors generally will fall apart compared to those from larger sensors.

    • @viri88
      @viri88 5 років тому

      Are you really comparing those tiny sensor of pixel with a6500's apsc!? Please don't

  • @larrykay6606
    @larrykay6606 5 років тому +7

    Tamron VC lenses for the Sony e mount have image stabilization. I had a Tamron Di III VC 18-200mm and the Vibration Control (VC) worked great on my A6000. Steadyshot is simply what Sony calls their lens IS feature.

  • @bc9am
    @bc9am 5 років тому +125

    Would be good to see OSS vs IBIS + OSS

    • @utsmanzu0907
      @utsmanzu0907 5 років тому +18

      look for jason vong video, he compared A6400 vs A6500 video test, with IBIS, OSS, and IBIS+OSS

  • @Migu31m
    @Migu31m 5 років тому +2

    Love the examples and knowledge you shared in this video. I bought the A6300 and then realized the 6500 came with IBIS and was thinking of upgrading for the sigma trio but thanks to your examples I will keep my 6300.

  • @ThadEGinathom
    @ThadEGinathom 5 років тому +1

    As an older(ish) guy not having the steadiest hands in the world, I just upgraded from the a6000 to the a6500. IBIS was the main reason. I don't notice the difference with my Sigma 30/1.4 (although there probably would be one if I turn the lights way down) as it was not a problem on the a6000 anyway. I notice the difference on my unstabilised 90mm (an old heavyish Tamron SP). a6000 needed my elbow planted on something solid: with a6500 I can hand-hold.

  • @lkfxfotografiavideo177
    @lkfxfotografiavideo177 5 років тому +7

    Couldn't have said it better, only camera that is super stable because of IBIS is the Gh5 because sensor is a lot smaller, easier to stabilize, ibis is a better help on non stabilized lenses and on photography not video

  • @utsmanzu0907
    @utsmanzu0907 5 років тому +5

    for video, when im using sigma 16mm f1.4 with my A6500, if i turn of steadyshot/IBIS, the small jittery is killing me, and it's quite noticeable,
    if i turn on the IBIS, the small jitters become more quite less noticeable, especially when im trying to vlog with my hand,
    for the shake when im using to record video when im walking, it can be eliminated by using warp stabilizer in premiere pro, the result is quite smooth. as long as im not doing some sudden movement e.g running,sudden panning movement etc, otherwise it will result in "jelly" footage after using the warp function in premiere pro.
    personally, the IBIS and OSS in the sony mirrorless camera are geared toward still photography, but not quite for video.
    great example of IBIS implementation can be seen from panasonic mirrorless cameras (GH5, GX85, etc) their implementation of IBIS is quite superior than A6500, and really make video footage appear more smooth. IMHO

  • @kubaskrzypek1547
    @kubaskrzypek1547 3 роки тому

    Man, you've just dispeled all my doubts that I have had for last few weeks. You should get The Oscar for that!

  • @metaler4274
    @metaler4274 5 років тому +7

    I've got 6400, so this is really informative and helpful to me. Thx for your video.

  • @Paul_anderson_creative
    @Paul_anderson_creative 5 років тому +15

    Thanks... But yet again missed opportunity.. PLEASE test some photos at low light, maybe images if church interiors or similar. This aspect is VERY important to so many photographers. Thanks.

    • @BMRTV
      @BMRTV 5 років тому +1

      Yeah, I'd like to see how slow you can go. IE: 1/2 second hand hold or 1 second? Chris Eyre Walker demonstrated the Oly EM1 II could hand hold well at 2 seconds and even some at 4 seconds.

    • @ralfjansen9118
      @ralfjansen9118 5 років тому

      Yes, ridiculous... IBIS and OS are, for photographers, important in the dark (long shutter speeds) and with long focal lengths. No advantage in bright sunshine and wide or standard lenses. As Herr said but has not shown.

    • @lostinoc3528
      @lostinoc3528 5 років тому

      I agree, lots will spend a lot more for ibis, and this video made it seem literally 100% useless.

  • @misreb1
    @misreb1 5 років тому +1

    I would suggest a rerun of this test using a lens that you can disable OSS on a6500. Take a shot with IBIS on then take the same shot and disable IBIS and have OSS on. The best test is using shutter speed priority and see how far you can reduce the speed. I found that IBIS helps me a lot when using unstabilised telephoto lenses handheld. Best result is combination of both though. I managed to shoot a waterfall at 0.8s shutter speed (for the classical silky smooth water shot) handheld using a6500 with the Sony 18-200 (using both IBIS and OSS)

  • @JohnRichardsonAuthor
    @JohnRichardsonAuthor 5 років тому +2

    I have a Sony A6300 and I've found that for handheld slow panning video, having a steady shot lens is a definite benefit. That being said, if I wanted to use my A6300 for pro video, I would get a gimbal. My Sigma lenses work very well hand held in low light without IBIS or steady shot if I am cognizant of the shutter speed. Since the trio is very fast, I can shoot at a 30th of a second or better in most situations without exploding the ISO settings. The only camera I've used where in camera stabilization is really useful is my new GoPro 7. It works amazingly well when walking or running. Bottom line, for smooth motion video, get a gimbal or get a Go Pro 7.

  • @BShane-ji7ln
    @BShane-ji7ln 5 років тому +1

    Thank you so much for this vid. yes, I just picked up the a 6400 and I was a little concerned about the lack of Ibis but you totally made it clear that it doesn't make a difference, and for video you definitely need a gamble anyway. Thanks dude, I love your videos!

    • @IRFAN-po5sz
      @IRFAN-po5sz 4 роки тому

      So which lenses you are using for a6400. Thanks

  • @zaddy6960
    @zaddy6960 5 років тому +2

    You are probably my favorite Sony reviewer. I’ve found that the OSS is a must with my 50mm prime. Tried it without and got micro jitters. I will be purchasing the a6500 successor for its IBIS. I shoot 50/50 pics and videos, so I don’t want to bother with a gimbal, plus I don’t want the extra attention a gimbal would give me.

    • @IRFAN-po5sz
      @IRFAN-po5sz 4 роки тому

      So which lens you will prefer for a6400?

  • @HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy
    @HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy 3 роки тому +2

    5:51 reading her mind: "Arthur!! take the picture already my face is hurting from holding this smile!!"

  • @OLuvin
    @OLuvin 5 років тому +4

    Really surprised you didn't show us the combo of IBIS + OSS to show the advantage of both working together...

  • @Studat
    @Studat 5 років тому +1

    Sigma lenses with A6500 is a killer combination for low shutter speeds. Ibis is priceless to me.

  • @534daro534
    @534daro534 5 років тому +7

    YESSSS! I was waiting for this kind of video!

  • @JairoCepeda
    @JairoCepeda 5 років тому +1

    I have noticed a bigger difference when trying to stand still to record video. In that case, OSS is stellar and not having it will result in unpleasant jittery shakes. After all it's called optical STEADY SHOT. I shoot on a A6300. Love your videos, btw.

  • @branimirteodorovic2297
    @branimirteodorovic2297 8 місяців тому +2

    Using fast shutter speed to test IBIS is pointless. Try to shoot a few stops below reciprocal rule to see if it's effective.

  • @jeffhalebopp
    @jeffhalebopp 5 років тому +9

    When using lens stabilization on longer focal lengths especially telephoto, the lens will win because the sensor just can't move far enough. But at normal lengths, it is pretty close either way.

  • @BizAndProductReviews
    @BizAndProductReviews 2 роки тому

    In the first five minutes you said that you had already taken apart a Sony OSS lens and had put it back together, and that you made a video about it. I then proceeded to SUBSCRIBE because that sounds so cool and I can anticipate that you have a lot of really good videos that are likely very interesting. 😃😃👀👀

  • @CampersInternational
    @CampersInternational 5 років тому +1

    I used to shoot Fujifilm w/o IBIS and didn't miss it at all. Although a good OSS helps especially at longer focal lengths.
    But if you know, how to use the camera and how to stand, you can easily take pictures at lower shutter speeds. I notice, that people are getting more and more reliable on technology and then complain about bad gear, when they are failing in the principles of photography.
    I always give my students the advise to first learn the basics and principles of photography and then OSS/IBIS will help beyond physics ;-)

  • @kimsonpro
    @kimsonpro 5 років тому

    I also tested this myself, not between the a6300 & a6500, but between the a5000 (yes) with the a7iii. You got it right. I thought the a7iii would totally blow something at atomic scale level out of the a5000. But the damn the result, that goddamn result. OSS is 100% better than IBIS at same shutter speed. I had to crank up ISO in the a7iii body 2.5 times, to increase speed, thus having the same result of stablizing with the a5000 + kit lens. This is crazy. We are all lied to, and brainwashed about IBIS.

  • @thatsginter
    @thatsginter 5 років тому +1

    IBIS with the Sigma primes for handheld video. I've shot with a6000 & a6300 that have no IBIS with non-stabilized lenses handheld, and ya...no bueno. Gimbles are cool, but more to carry/charge/balance if you like to travel and shoot like me.

    • @DKRacket
      @DKRacket 5 років тому

      thatsginter for video or photography?

    • @thatsginter
      @thatsginter 5 років тому

      @@DKRacket Video mainly. The new a6400 without IBIS has a great new autofocusing system though... If you do any handheld video with lenses that don't have steadyshot, use a camera with in body image stabilization (IBIS).

  • @benmeadows
    @benmeadows Рік тому

    This Video was really helpful , i was tempted to get a IBIS body but now will just by a gymbal

  • @Mriceman604
    @Mriceman604 5 років тому +2

    Perfect timing this video came out, was thinking this yesterday n searching

  • @santosovideo
    @santosovideo 5 років тому

    If you want to put the IBIS (or OSS) to the test, you need'll to drop down below the reciprocal rule. Like in this picture, A6500
    ƒ/5
    , 1/25 Sigma 30 mm, ISO 400: photos.app.goo.gl/9iDe14zNa8btuRFx5

  • @NAM3L3555
    @NAM3L3555 5 років тому +2

    Maybe the optical it's a bit better but with ibis you can use adapted lenses without stabilization so I think is better have the 2 option than only optical .

  • @noisackda2564
    @noisackda2564 5 років тому +1

    The video I didn't know I wanted. Excellent content Arthur.

  • @gsnassif
    @gsnassif 2 роки тому +1

    You would think that you would do a test with slower shutter speeds, right? I mean comparing photos at 1/1000 isn't benefiting from IBIS or OSS. For example, the test should be handholding the 6600 with a 30mm lens, and a shutter speed less than 1/30th...and taking pics at 200mm, with a shutter speed less than 1/200th. That's when an image will be blurry from camera shake. That's when image stabilization kicks in, whether it be a nikor lens, canon, etc witwh image stabilization tech.

  • @viri88
    @viri88 5 років тому +49

    Dude, no point in reviewing stabilisation at 1/200 in good daylight! A far better review would be in low light when camera asks for 1/15 or 1/30 or so... Nothing really to take home from this one :( unlike your other videos

    • @onlyonecannoli3952
      @onlyonecannoli3952 5 років тому +12

      I agree and disagree. First, he should be shooting in Manual. Aperture priority is mostly for people who do not care about controlling their exposure or subject blur. As you saw in this video, the camera can't guess what it is that you are trying to do (at least not yet). So yes, at 1/200, we didn't glean much other than to understand that at faster shutter speeds, IBIS is irrelevant. However, unless you shoot still subjects, without a tripod, in very low light, then IBIS is completely meaningless. IBIS will only help with your motion. At 1/30 or below, if your subject is moving, then you will end up with less than sharp images. So even if you have a 10 stop IBIS or optical steady shot stabilization at your disposal, it will do absolutely nothing for you when taking pictures of a dog or three-year-old running around the house in light that requires you to use 1/30 shutter speed, wide open, at a high ISO. IBIS/OSS is very useful at longer focal lengths when the shutter speed required to subject freeze motion is less than that required to control your own. In those rare circumstances, you would be able to shoot at lower shutter speeds, and thus lower ISO, resulting in a better image. But how often do you shoot at 600mm without a tripod/monopod? So again, IBIS/OSS is nice to have, but not the end all be all in photography.

  • @spinnito
    @spinnito 5 років тому +3

    1/60 it's enough to freeze an image in normal handheld mode, you could do the test IBIS vs. OSS comparison lower than that, like 1/50 or 1/40 not 1/200 or 1/1600, sorry for my english.

    • @spinnito
      @spinnito 5 років тому +2

      @Foto4Max ok But I mean in 1/60 handheld I don't get trepidation in pictures, so lower than that, we can check wich it's better at not getting blurry images

  • @tomhsia4354
    @tomhsia4354 5 років тому +3

    If you love to use manual lenses, I think IBIS is pretty important. Most of the lenses that have OSS are either optically uncompetitive or ludicrously expensive. I've got a dozen lenses, the two Sony lenses sit at the bottom in terms of image quality but account for well over a third of the total cost of my lens collection. I miss being able to routinely handhold down to 1/10s with the SELP1650 and 1/30s with the SEL55210 on the long end (the SEL55210 OSS absolutely rocks, my lowest record is 1/4s at 200mm).

    • @KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht
      @KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht 7 місяців тому

      This is it. In that case you're also focusing manually and might as well adapt to a Lumix or Fuji with solid IBIS.

    • @tomhsia4354
      @tomhsia4354 7 місяців тому +1

      @@KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht Fuji has excellent focus peaking from what I've heard. Sony's is useless, I'm forced to use focus magnification.

    • @KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht
      @KelvinSchwartzGrunlicht 7 місяців тому

      @@tomhsia4354 I'm looking into gimbals now and the cheapest PDAF Canon or Sony compromise I can find. Probably M50 II, M6 II or a6400 / a6100.
      My M43 IBIS bodies are great peakers btw.

  • @martee999
    @martee999 5 років тому +2

    Thanks for the video, very well done. As some others have suggested I would like to see the performance in handheld low light between the stabilization methods.(not for video use)
    Thanks again

  • @alexandergavrilov2566
    @alexandergavrilov2566 5 років тому +1

    Thanks for another great video! An unrelated request - any chance you would post some tutorial videos? Your pics and videos are amazing. I'd love to learn which settings you use on the camera. I just bought a6500 after watching your channel for a while, and I'd love to learn how to use it better. Yeah, I know, there are other tutorial channels out there. I like your videos though. No-nonsense, to the point, just the right length and great info. Thanks!

  • @maciekkk123
    @maciekkk123 5 років тому +1

    What if you use in body stabilization + lenses with stabilization for video filming during movement? eg. walking ..

    • @i-m-alien
      @i-m-alien 5 років тому +1

      you will get milk shakey footage

    • @maciekkk123
      @maciekkk123 5 років тому

      @@i-m-alien Mostly smooth and bit slightly shaken? :) or mostly shaken?

  • @cameron.h.russell
    @cameron.h.russell 9 днів тому

    Any chance you could do a comparison video of stabilization for the new A6700 with native sony 16-55 vs Sigma 18-50? I've heard that the ibis doesn't actually get any better with 'active' stabilization vs standard on the sigma, but it does with the sony - or maybe you already know the answer and can confirm that the sony will provide better ibis on the active setting.

  • @Ghazkul666
    @Ghazkul666 5 років тому +12

    You totally missed the point of ibis. There is no difference with a fast shutter speed especially on non zoom lenses. If you shoot 1/160 or 1/200 with a 30mm then you easily reach the 1/90 required to make a shot steady without stabilization. Try shooting something that is not moving with 1/25 or slower and you will notice the magic of ibis or optical steadyshot

    • @pizzablender
      @pizzablender 5 років тому +1

      Indeed, or at the end, looking at 1/1600th and trying to see the effect of camera shake and stabilization?

    • @ArthurR
      @ArthurR  5 років тому +1

      I think that is the point. In most situations you will be shooting handheld at a fast enough shutter speed (esp with a fast lens) that whether or not you have IBIS or OSS doesnt matter. People place too much weight on these things thinking that you HAVE to have one or the other to get sharp images handheld, which isnt true. I did mention that IBIS and OSS really help in low light and with telephoto lenses, which is a follow up test that could be done to measure its effectiveness.

    • @Ghazkul666
      @Ghazkul666 5 років тому

      @@ArthurR it depends on where you live i guess. From personal preference I don´t have enough sunlight there in Sweden that makes me able to shot with a fast shutter without cranking up the iso. I personally prefer this peace of mind of having IBIS and not have to worry if I was stable enough when I pressed the shutter button. But hey, all this is personal preference ofcoz :) I am more into still photography then video and video shooters should really invest in a gimbal over any IBIS or stable lens design imho :)

    • @Ghazkul666
      @Ghazkul666 5 років тому

      @@ArthurR no disrespect but you should have done some more research on when IBIS is useful before doing this video. the picture shot with 1/1600th a second is a really bad one. you could have jerked your camera back and forth in high speed and still gotten a sharp picture. no IBIS or similar needed :P

  • @touie98052
    @touie98052 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the comparison Arthur. I completely agree with you. There’s a lot of hype about IBIS and Optical Stabilization. People easily get misled and over expect on the word “stabilization” . They expect the same performance for both video and still photography. The real intent for any stabilization really, is for photography and not so much for videography. For videos, it’s always better to use a gimbal because there’s way too much movement for a camera to compensate for (unless you go to a action camera).

  • @BestmobilesInUa
    @BestmobilesInUa 5 років тому +3

    Great video! But how it works on gimbals, what better? And in "handheld panning" IBIS looks much smoother. Thank you!

    • @tomhsia4354
      @tomhsia4354 5 років тому

      IBIS compensates for sideways rolling motion, which OSS cannot fix.

  • @tiagoalmeida653
    @tiagoalmeida653 5 років тому +2

    Very nice video. Thanks a lot. I'm choosing a6300 for my next camera

  • @speecher1959
    @speecher1959 5 років тому +1

    As a Canon Boy, still photographer, I've been very interested in this question. I hear the fuss about IBIS and covet it, and then meanwhile, get great shots without it.

  • @ethanHat
    @ethanHat 5 років тому +6

    Clear Image Zoom vs Cropping in Post, please!

    • @xuyong9719
      @xuyong9719 5 років тому +6

      Clear image zoom is more clear! From the one camera guy

  • @AnnainWarsaw
    @AnnainWarsaw 5 років тому +2

    Thank you! Amazing that you did that comparison. I was thinking if I should sell my a6500 and buy a6400. I need the flip out screen. And you helped me to make the decision. I will get the a6400 for sure. Actually I had really high expectations towards ibis and the camera failed. Picture is so shaky its better to use action cam for vlogging 😂. My new set up will be a6400 plus gimbal.

    • @IRFAN-po5sz
      @IRFAN-po5sz 4 роки тому

      Dear Anna after reading your view i also got a6400 instead of a6500, So which lenses you are using for your a6400. What do you recommend to me ?

  • @ASVideo
    @ASVideo 5 років тому +4

    For a moment at 2:16 I feared that you would touch the sensor to show how it moves😂
    Great video as always💪

  • @jetlag1488
    @jetlag1488 3 роки тому

    Good video but I really don't like how none of the videos on UA-cam about the in body stabilization talk about how it's like using vintage lenses with it, especially for long focal lengths like 50mm, 135mm, 200mm, 400mm etc. Only mention of it you did was in the end when you said that in body stabilization helps out when you're using vintage lenses, but right before that you said that you don't really need image stabilization when using lenses that don't have stabilization in them. So what is it?

  • @zeropain9319
    @zeropain9319 3 роки тому +1

    Can you do a night test with ibis and without ibis for stills with a6600 vs a6400 and sigma lenses?

    • @mirrorlessny
      @mirrorlessny 3 роки тому

      ibis should help in low light when hand holding because you can choose slightly lower shutter speeds VS no ibis

  • @junayedarefin623
    @junayedarefin623 5 років тому +3

    Need to know ... Who produces better colour at profile settings (s log2) ..?

  • @Pharesm
    @Pharesm 3 роки тому

    IBIS + OSS beats IBIS or OSS alone. Second, IBIS and OSS is designed to give you a couple of stops for stills, not to eat the jerk of your foot steps...
    I think its a mistake to summarily ignore mechanical stabilizers for video, since gimbals showed up in the market. They work very well, aren't hard to learn to use.

  • @hartsphotography
    @hartsphotography 5 років тому +2

    Im not sure this is the greatest test. While you do mention that in low light IBIS would be expected to work better you did not test that. Of course good camera craft can over come the need for IBIS but my experience with using both the A6300 and A6500 is that the IBIS certainly makes a difference and is well worth the additional cost.

  • @markofadljevic1975
    @markofadljevic1975 5 років тому

    Hi Arthur, great video as always.
    I'm using Sony a6300 mostly for video work and e-mount lenses I have are Sigma 16mm f1.4 and Sigma 30mm f1.4 and both of them are great on stedicam. No IBIS or OSS is needed.
    Third lens I have is Sony 50mm f1.8 OIS that I don't use on stedicam but is great for video shooting on monopod. In manual video mode Sigma 16mm and Sigma 30mm aren't great for use on monopod, Sigma 30mm more than Sigma 16mm, because lack of stabilization and micro jitters can be seen eg. while touching the lens and doing manual focusing. That's the reason why I've picked Sony 50mm f1.8 over the Sigma 56mm f1.4.

  • @stevenguzy1055
    @stevenguzy1055 2 роки тому +1

    Love your videos! My question. What about OSS lenses in conjunction with IBIS? You touched on it but didn't really give a result. Personally, for photography, any stabilization is helpful. I don't shoot video so I would like to know how OSS on say an a6000 compares to an OSS lens on the a6500 working in conjunction with IBIS.

  • @nickdoprzegladaniayt
    @nickdoprzegladaniayt 3 роки тому

    I love the skintones on a6500 on the rights side, why are they different than in the a6400 on the left? Different color science in the bodies, different lens or just different picture profile?

  • @maxmeier787
    @maxmeier787 5 років тому +12

    At 7:38 you say, that you have advantages with IBIS in 1.) low light situation and 2.) with a telephoto lens. But where are the pictures to proove this??? You should do another video and please compare all possible combinations:
    1.) no IBIS + no OSS; 2.) no IBIS + OSS; 3.) IBIS + no OSS; 4.) IBIS + OSS
    Thanks. :-)

  • @gigiilmilionario2
    @gigiilmilionario2 5 років тому +5

    What about ibis with oss lens toghether?

    • @jefftam18
      @jefftam18 5 років тому

      most likely even worse as both fighting each other

    • @capnshankz3303
      @capnshankz3303 5 років тому

      Its more stable

  • @JWS1968
    @JWS1968 3 роки тому

    This video has saved me a lot of money. I was just about to pull the trigger on a A6600 just to get the IBIS and superior image quality. I have a A6300 at the moment and I've been very happy with it as I only shoot video I'm not a photographer. I think I'm happy to stick with the A6300 until I can save for a A7Siii maybe a year from now but I'll get there.

  • @gigiilmilionario2
    @gigiilmilionario2 5 років тому +1

    What about in low light? You set a shorter shutter speed on the a6400.

  • @MoLetalis
    @MoLetalis 3 роки тому

    Tbh, these features aren't really developed for video, but photo. If you're shooting video, you should either use a tripod or a gimbal set-up. If you're shooting pics, you'll really start to notice the difference with or without IBIS at really long focal lengths

  • @DieselPowerLifter
    @DieselPowerLifter 5 років тому +3

    Before the A6400 review, do OSS + IBIS! The people want to know if there is still value to purchase stabilized if you combine. Thanks in advance!

  • @johndonaldson5126
    @johndonaldson5126 5 років тому

    Arthur, the rig you used has a lot of mass with the two cameras and the rig itself. That mass acts like a damper dramatically reducing any camera shake. So those cameras are not experiencing the camera shake which they would if they were individually hand held. Try shutter speeds in the 1/20 to 1/60 range too.

  • @saturns_eyes
    @saturns_eyes 2 місяці тому

    Hey i've been buying optical steady shot lenses for my A7iii. Does this one have built in stabilization? I want to be sure before i buy more lenses without the stabilization.

  • @zw2237
    @zw2237 5 років тому

    Excellent job, as always. I have been wondering about this sort of thing.

  • @chrisschoenfeld4414
    @chrisschoenfeld4414 4 роки тому +1

    I have an a7 ii and a6300 for years and no combination has yielded satisfying results for handheld video. Even with IBIS+OSS and a slow shutter speed, movement and artifact is too jarring compared to, say, an iPhone. Either stab is fine for stills and will help you lose fewer shots / allow more latitude with shutter speeds. You can set a lower automatic SS floor but you still have to consider subject movement separately. I would never buy a non-IBIS body again just so I don’t have to consider OSS when investing in lenses. When using longer lenses it’s critical to compose and focus.

    • @mirrorlessny
      @mirrorlessny 3 роки тому

      feel you there, I used a6300 with Sigma 16mm for a while, it's tough but some things help like trying to be stable & slowing down 60fps footage by 50% or 40% depending on final video fps 30/24,,,,,,,,,,, the new ACTIVE IBIS seems to improve things = currently testing it on A7SIII

  • @tomasrandom6430
    @tomasrandom6430 5 років тому +1

    what about video IBIS + OSS ?

  • @PattyBlogs
    @PattyBlogs Рік тому

    Hi Arthur, thank you for this video! I'm curious, I just upgraded to the Sony G master lens. As you know it doesn't have stabilization on the lens, nor the a6400 body. I use the setup mainly for video work. I'm curious, do you think I should upgrade to the a6500 to at least get some stabilization? Thanks so much for your videos!

  • @phokjiouh59
    @phokjiouh59 11 місяців тому

    Thanks! You just saved me from spending at least 500€ on an upgrade that won't perform as good as I thought it would.

  • @UncompressedWAVmusic
    @UncompressedWAVmusic 3 роки тому

    I'm using a Sony A7 mach 1 so this video was helpful very well done Arthur.

  • @shubhambhargava3493
    @shubhambhargava3493 3 роки тому

    Without gimbal. For sony a6300 which lens is better for video. Sigma or sony ?

  • @KingshukBhaskar
    @KingshukBhaskar 5 років тому +1

    ***Offtopic***
    Which is better 7artisans 55mm f1.4 or any good condition vintage prime 50mm or 55mm f1.4 under 100$ bcoz both are available at similar price range ?!?!
    Which one you will choose ?

    • @tomhsia4354
      @tomhsia4354 5 років тому

      Depends on the looks you're aiming for. Personally, I'll choose a vintage lens at that price. There are some really good ones.

  • @sergeycash
    @sergeycash 5 років тому +1

    It would be great to see comparison IBIS+OSS versus OSS only

  • @breezekiteboarding884
    @breezekiteboarding884 3 роки тому

    Thanks so much for this video, helped a lot with my purchasing choice. You ROCK!!!

  • @Japhgar
    @Japhgar 5 років тому +2

    Great comparisson! could you test it in low light? or and telephoto? thats what I am most interested in :D

  • @v3ken637
    @v3ken637 3 роки тому +1

    I’m having trouble with night shots it’s grainy in any setting I use... is it the lens ???

    • @mirrorlessny
      @mirrorlessny 3 роки тому

      photo video? there can be a lot of reasons for that! maybe you are recording at 120fps in the evening or maybe your ISO is going to the maximum

  • @mat0pat22
    @mat0pat22 4 роки тому +1

    Hellp,I'm so thank for your guidence.
    I saw before your video about sony a6400 you told it's good in price and quality but on this video you tell no stabiluzation on body is a problem?

    • @mirrorlessny
      @mirrorlessny 4 роки тому

      it depend how you use a6400, do you do handheld video/photo? then it can be a problem, if you use gimbal/tripod/OSS lenses then a6400 is great

  • @joebean3614
    @joebean3614 3 роки тому

    Interesting. I bought a 16-70mm Sony Ziess and can't even tell if the OSS is working or not. Even toggling on and off in the camera there is very little difference. I then compared the kit lens and pretty much the same thing. I guess the only option is to buy a Gimbal which I wasn't really too crazy about doing.

  • @emreon3160
    @emreon3160 5 років тому

    This video should be in high demand ! exactly what i was looking for now that the a6600 released, i won't feel bad that i have the a6400, i am glad to hear that the OSS is close or better than IBIS, and the biggest difference is with a high quality gimble.

  • @Thunderbird1337
    @Thunderbird1337 5 років тому

    Sure, you can take the A6400 if you want to use OSS Sony lenses anyway. But the best available APS-C lenses for E-Mount are not from Sony (but from Sigma), that's the problem. Having the IBIS is still much better than having no stabilization at all, also for photography. When I changed from my A6000 to the A6500 I definitely recognized a difference having IBIS, especially in lowlight or with longer focal lengths (50mm +).

  •  5 років тому

    A comparação é interessante, porém a câmera colocada na direita sofre maior interferencia nas tremidas que são no eixo do suporte horizontal. Isso porque o sensor está mais distante do centro da rotação se comparado com a câmera da esquerda que a lente está muito próxima do suporte de mão

  • @sess5206
    @sess5206 4 роки тому

    Regards from Stockholm,
    You are speaking in terms of Sony, but I'm going back and forth between a GH5 or a GH5S.
    The S model is far better for night filming but the GH5 has IBIS.
    With a Lumix 12-60 2.8, I can't help, after watching both your episodes on this, that maybe that lens would be enough since it has OIS.
    Any ideas?

  • @Emiliotakas
    @Emiliotakas 5 років тому

    When using IBIS have you put in the menu the length of the lens manually as the sigma is not native Sony lens? Also I believe you should compare the IBIS together with the OSS for video and not only for photos on the a6500 as a third option. But remember if you change the lens focal length on IBIS settings you will see a lot of difference.

  • @youtuberistar
    @youtuberistar Рік тому

    Gracias x la prueba científica, muchas dudas despejadas de una forma muy bien explicada.

  • @Kim_Miller
    @Kim_Miller 5 років тому

    The Sony 70-200 f4 lens switches between two levels of OSS. Position 1 is for normal use where you hold the camera still. Level 2 is for panning. It would be interesting to see how these two systems work.

  • @jww38
    @jww38 5 років тому +1

    Hi, Sony has just released a firmware update for A6000 that says it improves stability of the AF operation. Can u make a review/comparison on this new update? Thank you.

  • @colind8245
    @colind8245 3 роки тому

    Your right, the a6500 is nice for video, but even combining the ibis and the oss lenses, there is so much rolling shutter hand held is nearly impossible, even with a gimbal you have to perfect your walk to reduce the bumps. There’s no perfect consumer camera, there’s always a trade off.

  • @trekearthproductions597
    @trekearthproductions597 Рік тому

    Hi. I need you suggestion. I own a Sony a6400 and I am looking to purchase the sigma 56mm f1.4. Prime. The only issue is that the lens has no oss. I would love to shoot videos with that. I am so skeptical on the lens without oss, so I am thinkin to go in for Sony 50mm f1.8 with oss. What do I suggest. Will the sigma work well with the a6400 for video without oss?

  • @Wakacje_życia
    @Wakacje_życia Рік тому

    great movie. I just had a problem to buy 6400 but I will buy 6100 thanks to you I save a lot of money