Ever since you first mentioned this I've been doing a load of tests with more or less the same lenses you have, and the difference is night and day when you push it to the limit. If you do a handheld steady test but deliberately shake or move the camera up and down, it's crazy to see what the GMs can do vs the Samyang V-AFs. Also walking shots with the GM primes vs the Samyangs are shockingly different. As someone who shoots weddings and has moved to 90% handheld (but I miss the gimbal a lot), I'm slowly switching everything to Sony lenses.
I did this test on a rail. I mounted two A7IVs on a rail in order to get exactly the same shake at the same time with each camera. And one was with Sony lens, the other was with Samyang lens - IBIS is the same, Gyro Stabe too BUT :) when you use Active Stabilization - Sony lenses are much better, close to what I get from the Gyro Stab. The nonSony lenses - better than nonActive Stab, but much worse than Sony lens.
In conclusion - use Gyro Stab for nonSony lenses without Active. Same thing for Sony glass if you are not in a hurry later in post because Active is close but you can squeeze a little bit more from the Gyro.
PS I found a way to use Gyro Stab with manual lenses - you need an adapter that inputs metadata for the lens. Cheapest option - TTArtisan 6bit adapter for Leica lenses. You can adapt anything made for SLR camera and PL too. Without that the Gyro Stab is not active in post.
Great input on this. Definitely something I wasn’t considering but it makes me rethink the wide angle video lens I’m looking for. Sigma 16-28 2.8 zoom for the Sony PZ 16-35 f4
Thanks Chris, I have been waiting for this video. I originally commented on your first video that you mentioned it. This stabilisation bias towards Sony lenses is the reason why I would choose the Sony 50 1.4 over the Sigmas 50 1.4. I was testing them both at the same time and that’s when it became obvious, I also see a difference using wider angle lenses, I have a Sigma 16-28 and at 20mm the Sony 20mm produces smoother footage. I will stick to Sony lenses for video from now on.
I completely agree. Ive tested the sigma 28 70 2.8 at 50 vs the Sony 50 1.8 and at 70 vs Sony 85 1.8 and it’s like night and day. With my a7 iv but the surprise is that the prime lenses turn out to be even more stable than Sony 24 105 F4 OSS. Not sure why.
I have tested it multiple times with the same results. The Sony 24 105 OSS is Always better than the Sgima (and non-native lenses like Samyang in my case). But it is always worse than Sony 50 1.8 and 85 1.8 in stabilization, even though they don't have OSS. Unfortunately, I don't have GM lenses to compare with...@@thehotdoglover
@@thehotdoglover Ahh, if you meant to turn off the OSS of the lens and keep the Active stabilization, this is not an option because active stabilization will only turn on if I turn on the OSS from the lens switch. Otherwise, Active stabilization and standard will be turned off and can't be switched on until I turn the OSS on. (This happens only with OSS lenses).
Because I do so much video, I discovered this a while back with Tamron and a sigma lenses. It makes me sad as the lenses are great but there is a major difference with stabilization. Only Sony lenses now in the lens drawer.
I used sigma 24-70 for years, then switched to the tamron 35-150. Recently I broke the tamron and started using Sony 24-70 gmii and I’m shocked how much more stable it is.
Great! I was talking to Josh Satin about this issue and he told me you may going to cover this topic - thanks for making this video! Best regards from Vienna
i found out that Tamron's VC is only optimal for shooting stills 🤔 I used to take photos with the tamron sp 24-70 adapted to a6400 (no ibis) very good optical stab for photos
Been looking for this kind of video. I shoot mainly with the tamron trinity and the video quality is great, but have always been very disappointed by stabilization. What Sony lenses would you recommend to replace the tamron line?
Someone I worked with noticed this with the footage I sent to him for editing. Comparing the 28-75 Tamron vs the 85mm Sony 1.8. You would think the 85 would be less stable as it's a longer focal length. But.... Really interesting (and annoying)
everything u say is right. when u use 3rd party u have to select the focal distance in the camera manually, the 3rd party lenses they are not at the same level with the native lenses in terms of comunication of the focal distance. ONLY then when u write down the focal distance manually u may have a correct stabilisation. tamron 28-75 g1 it's for example better with normal ibis than samyang 24-70 when focal distance is on auto. if i put them both at 35 and write down in camera 35mm then they atc the same.
Is it a trick to make people buy Sony lenses? Is it the same with other companies too? Kinda curious if Panasonic and Fuji also are more stabilized with their own lenses that Sigmas.
Hey Chris, are you using the Rode Go2? I use that all the time but mainly with the top handle due to the sound issue using the mic jack on the camera body... what are your experiences?
Have you noticed a difference while using gyro stabilization metadata in Catalyst Prepare/Browse with these third party lenses. I would tend to think it wouldn’t matter if you were using a third party lens or a Sony lens but I don’t have a third party lens to try it out 😂
@@chrisbrockhurst just had a massive project where I filmed with the fx6, and did some follow shots where the actor was walking on the street. Shot with sigma‘s old heavy 20mm 1.4, and catalyst browse absolutely blew us all away. It works so incredibly good, no need for a gimbal tbh…
Well, the Sony 200-600mm 5.6-6.3 does not perform as good as some third party Lenses in still photography, in fact on Sony A7R-series the Sony 200-600 can be really bad and give blurry images, the stabilizer in the Lens and in the Camera does not communicate right all the time, Sony are aware of the problem, but Sony have not done anyting to improve it.
It appears that this behaviour is only apparent when using active stabilisation, which is only available when shooting video. I will agree that Sony's lens optical stabilisation does feel less competent compared to other manufacturers like Tamron, at least in the few lenses that I've tried.
shout out to the special guest in this one.. the massive spot on my face.
Ever since you first mentioned this I've been doing a load of tests with more or less the same lenses you have, and the difference is night and day when you push it to the limit. If you do a handheld steady test but deliberately shake or move the camera up and down, it's crazy to see what the GMs can do vs the Samyang V-AFs. Also walking shots with the GM primes vs the Samyangs are shockingly different. As someone who shoots weddings and has moved to 90% handheld (but I miss the gimbal a lot), I'm slowly switching everything to Sony lenses.
Pretty much expected these results. Sony and Canon both make first party lenses with no compromises.
Going forward I sticking with Sony glass, but that was a very interesting test! However options are good.
either way we have lots of options, appreciate you as always 🙏🏼
I did this test on a rail. I mounted two A7IVs on a rail in order to get exactly the same shake at the same time with each camera. And one was with Sony lens, the other was with Samyang lens - IBIS is the same, Gyro Stabe too BUT :) when you use Active Stabilization - Sony lenses are much better, close to what I get from the Gyro Stab. The nonSony lenses - better than nonActive Stab, but much worse than Sony lens.
In conclusion - use Gyro Stab for nonSony lenses without Active. Same thing for Sony glass if you are not in a hurry later in post because Active is close but you can squeeze a little bit more from the Gyro.
PS I found a way to use Gyro Stab with manual lenses - you need an adapter that inputs metadata for the lens. Cheapest option - TTArtisan 6bit adapter for Leica lenses. You can adapt anything made for SLR camera and PL too. Without that the Gyro Stab is not active in post.
@@SimeonKolev why not upload your findings
@@FPSTiger Because I want to make it better looking and to record some explanation about it... Not just filming some walk footage in the back street.
Great input on this. Definitely something I wasn’t considering but it makes me rethink the wide angle video lens I’m looking for. Sigma 16-28 2.8 zoom for the Sony PZ 16-35 f4
Both solid options.
@@chrisbrockhurst keeping it in the 1k (plus or minus) territory, I think I’ll have to test both and see ✌🏾
Thanks for the video 👍🏼 Does stabilisation for 3rd party lenses improve if you dial in the focal length in the settings?
Thanks Chris, I have been waiting for this video. I originally commented on your first video that you mentioned it. This stabilisation bias towards Sony lenses is the reason why I would choose the Sony 50 1.4 over the Sigmas 50 1.4. I was testing them both at the same time and that’s when it became obvious, I also see a difference using wider angle lenses, I have a Sigma 16-28 and at 20mm the Sony 20mm produces smoother footage. I will stick to Sony lenses for video from now on.
Thank you, I was searching for a test on exactly this when I noticed that active stabilization was terrible on my Sigma lenses
I completely agree. Ive tested the sigma 28 70 2.8 at 50 vs the Sony 50 1.8 and at 70 vs Sony 85 1.8 and it’s like night and day. With my a7 iv but the surprise is that the prime lenses turn out to be even more stable than Sony 24 105 F4 OSS. Not sure why.
Or maybe it's not working correctly with the OSS. Might try turning it off and seeing if Active Stab is improved?
I have tested it multiple times with the same results. The Sony 24 105 OSS is Always better than the Sgima (and non-native lenses like Samyang in my case). But it is always worse than Sony 50 1.8 and 85 1.8 in stabilization, even though they don't have OSS. Unfortunately, I don't have GM lenses to compare with...@@thehotdoglover
@@thehotdoglover Ahh, if you meant to turn off the OSS of the lens and keep the Active stabilization, this is not an option because active stabilization will only turn on if I turn on the OSS from the lens switch. Otherwise, Active stabilization and standard will be turned off and can't be switched on until I turn the OSS on. (This happens only with OSS lenses).
Because I do so much video, I discovered this a while back with Tamron and a sigma lenses. It makes me sad as the lenses are great but there is a major difference with stabilization. Only Sony lenses now in the lens drawer.
yep i can believe this
I used sigma 24-70 for years, then switched to the tamron 35-150. Recently I broke the tamron and started using Sony 24-70 gmii and I’m shocked how much more stable it is.
but what if I just use the regular IBIS, I never use active stabilisation anyway, is there a difference then?
Great! I was talking to Josh Satin about this issue and he told me you may going to cover this topic - thanks for making this video! Best regards from Vienna
Ahh i Love Josh!! Yeh took my a whilst but finally got around to it. Thanks for watching
You’re like the only one that answered this question for me in a year
Does this also apply to sony and third party apsc lenses???
GREAT VIDEO !!!! I did not know that there was such a noticeable difference, helps me in deciding when I consider 3rd party lenses , thanks
The stabilization of Sony lenses look so much better when you put it side by side with 3rd party lenses.
right?!
Does this only work for GM lenses? What about a classic FE 85 1.8?
i found out that Tamron's VC is only optimal for shooting stills 🤔 I used to take photos with the tamron sp 24-70 adapted to a6400 (no ibis) very good optical stab for photos
Been looking for this kind of video. I shoot mainly with the tamron trinity and the video quality is great, but have always been very disappointed by stabilization.
What Sony lenses would you recommend to replace the tamron line?
Someone I worked with noticed this with the footage I sent to him for editing. Comparing the 28-75 Tamron vs the 85mm Sony 1.8. You would think the 85 would be less stable as it's a longer focal length. But.... Really interesting (and annoying)
Is Sony lens more stable than non-Sony lens with ZV-E1 dynamic stabilization on?
yes. i regret buying non-sony lens
Really interesting video, thak you! I guess is the same with APSC?
everything u say is right. when u use 3rd party u have to select the focal distance in the camera manually, the 3rd party lenses they are not at the same level with the native lenses in terms of comunication of the focal distance. ONLY then when u write down the focal distance manually u may have a correct stabilisation. tamron 28-75 g1 it's for example better with normal ibis than samyang 24-70 when focal distance is on auto. if i put them both at 35 and write down in camera 35mm then they atc the same.
Thanks! Does 3rd party zoom lens work the same on active stab as native sony once you set the given focal length manually?
@@marekwinski8854 no, sony lenses are still better
Thanks Chris your videos are great
Is it a trick to make people buy Sony lenses? Is it the same with other companies too? Kinda curious if Panasonic and Fuji also are more stabilized with their own lenses that Sigmas.
Wonder what this looks like on the a7v with better IBIS?
Really interesting, I’m getting a ZV E1 and want the best dynamic stabilisation, will it help to have Sony lenses for that?
Same boat, are you able to get the answer?
@@cedricphoo yes Sony lenses help I think. 24mm F2.8 epic do all lens for ZVE1
@@wakeywarrior definitely. i regret getting a tamron lens for my zve1. so much jitter
Hey Chris, are you using the Rode Go2? I use that all the time but mainly with the top handle due to the sound issue using the mic jack on the camera body... what are your experiences?
i gave up on the go 2, peaking issues. the new 'me' system has fixed alot of those though
Have you noticed a difference while using gyro stabilization metadata in Catalyst Prepare/Browse with these third party lenses. I would tend to think it wouldn’t matter if you were using a third party lens or a Sony lens but I don’t have a third party lens to try it out 😂
I don’t believe the gyro data will work with 3rd party lenses and catalyst browse
@@chrisbrockhurst No gyro stabilisation works in catalyst browse with 3rd party lenses.
@@chrisbrockhurst just had a massive project where I filmed with the fx6, and did some follow shots where the actor was walking on the street. Shot with sigma‘s old heavy 20mm 1.4, and catalyst browse absolutely blew us all away. It works so incredibly good, no need for a gimbal tbh…
4:53 im watching at phone. hahaha savage!
Well, the Sony 200-600mm 5.6-6.3 does not perform as good as some third party Lenses in still photography, in fact on Sony A7R-series the Sony 200-600 can be really bad and give blurry images, the stabilizer in the Lens and in the Camera does not communicate right all the time, Sony are aware of the problem, but Sony have not done anyting to improve it.
It appears that this behaviour is only apparent when using active stabilisation, which is only available when shooting video. I will agree that Sony's lens optical stabilisation does feel less competent compared to other manufacturers like Tamron, at least in the few lenses that I've tried.
@@tanzhonghui I NEVER use video !
Set your SteadyShot Adjust to Manual, dial in your focal lenght, problem solved.
Thanks! Does 3rd party zoom lens work the same on active stab as native sony once you set the given focal length manually?
@@marekwinski8854 Yes, that's meant to be so.
that is fascinating! I never knew. Might have to start getting some sony instead of the trusty sigma
Damn how many lenses does a man need! The answer is: ALL OF THEM! 😍
#brockhousegang 😂
Boom! Appreciate you 🙏🏼 💪🏻