Brazilian Football's Greatest Debate: The State Championships
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
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The Campeonatos Estaduais - or the State Football Championships - are competitions that happen between January and April in each of the 26 states + the federal district of Brazil and have been happening since the early 1900's. So why have they become such a controversial topic in recent decades to the point where people in Brazil want to either change its formats or do away with them entirely? Let’s talk about it!
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I love how bamboozling the Brazilian league systems are
It is a mess of our making but one that we do love and want nothing but the best for 🤣
It's a mess that make sense 😂
Not really, the estaduais are actually the only thing different from the standard European system. Brasileirão is like la Liga or prem league, copa do Brasil is the Copa del Rey or fa cup, libertadores is the champions league and Sul Americana is euro league. But the estaduais (state championships) are definitely unlike anything in Europe as far as I know
@@vitordivino8681 It took me such a long time to understand those
Oh yes, I'd LOVE to hear about local rivalries in Brazil. LOVE
@@andresantvi no FlaFlu?
@@stozinflaxflu is not the biggest rivalry. Flamengo x Vasco da Gama is the biggest rivalry in Rio de Janeiro and some say Brazil. It’s nicknamed the “millions derby” because of the size of both fan bases and how their fan bases are all over Brazil.
I’d argue that Vasco x Fluminense rivalry is bigger than Fla x Flu nowadays.
Gimme dat FLAVAS! Gimme dat, Gimme dat, Gimme dat FLAVAS!
@@stozinbiggest rivalry in brazil is Grêmio x Internacional, followed by Corinthians x Palmeiras probably
Valeu por divulgar nossa jabuticaba para os gringos, um problema do nosso futebol que eles não conhecem.
Realmente algo que não é fácil de explicar mas a gente tenta de vez em quando kkkkkkk - obrigado por assistir
@@BrasilianFury como morador de um estado sem importância no futebol eu penso que seria muito bom um campeonato de série E regionalizado de pontos corridos, já que não apenas os contratos de jogadores duram três meses com os próprios clubes não duram mais de 2 temporadas por conta da instabilidade no orçamento anual.
I really love the idea of state championships (its my favorite part of Brazil). A team thats far from the best nationally can still have state success. I think the state competetitions should become something of a youth competition for national teams. Like teams that compete in the national Serie A-D must field 8 U-23 players while local clubs still field their normal teams.
The U23/21 type rule is one I like as well, although in a scenario like that, I’d probably keep something like it to the Série A-C teams instead.
@@BrasilianFury I like the idea that local teams still play national giants. So I want some form of competition to be retained (possibly even removing the U21 restriction for the semi finals and finals).
I love brazilian football from Wales 🏴 more content pls
Thank you and yes, I'll aim to do so!
There are Welsh in Argentina.
A multi-divisional Serie E makes the most sense to me. A "non-league" product with a longer season may also lead to a more solidified revenue for the smaller clubs.
Biggest thing for it is funding but I like the idea of doing a fifth tier and keeping it more localized akin to what Serie D does now but to an even further "regional" degree.
I mean, while a 5th division could "solve" the problem, the série D still lacks on budget. Some teams from Minas Gerais (where I live) refused to participate because it isn't worth it
@@marcosdias3124 Traveling is a pain as it is throughout Brazil and then when you consider the amount of money you have to pay to get an entire team across to a different area of your own state or even a few states over by bus, meals, etc - I can completely understand why some clubs in the interior would want nothing to do with it because of the financial risks alone. The CBF itself SHOULD be stepping up to provide a safety net to get these teams involved in their competition but alas...
Oh now this is a video I can sink my teeth into. I've been fascinated by the state championships since I learned about them from FM22. Thank you for making this!
Many of my fellow FM players being confounded by the Brazilian leagues and the state championships/their reasoning was a big inspiration as to why I decided to make it in the first place. Thank you for taking a look at it!
Best explanation for English speakers ever. Thank you so much. I'll refer this video to everyone who asks about it and their mothers. This video will keep getting views for years, rest assured.
Proposed solution: Simplicity. Change nothing. Just structure a calendar that doesn't presume larger teams will send their A team to every state match. If larger teams play state championships as pre-season or as a premium oportunity to get their juniors out, only showing up in full force for derbys and finals, they won't have a reason to complain about the calendar. Smaller teams all over the country need those tournaments in order to exist as viable clubs, and Brazil needs those smaller teams as the unseen underbelly that props up our football culture.
Something you didn't have time to point out is that a strong state championship is an excelent predictor of how well those teams will do at the national and continental stage. In Brazil there's this stupid idea among fans that crushing every local derby and having your local rivals be always weaker than your team is beneficial, which couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, the very opposite is true. The stronger the teams you play the most against are, the stronger your own game becomes, and state championships are where it all begins, fostering strong local rivalries, strong local competition, strong local revenue.
It's the main reason why South American teams keep getting destroyed at the Club World Cup. All of a sudden they're playing teams at their own level or higher for the second or third time that year. It happened to Palmeiras, Flamengo, Fluminense... and nationally it happens to every Northern and Northeastern team when they play against Southern and Southeastern giants. If anything, we need to strenghten their state championships, give them new relevance, not get rid of them.
Thank you for watching it and the kind words!
I love our state leagues. I hate the way we treat them.
They’re not good for the calendar. Something has to be done about them.
Brazil is too big to have a regular calendar
@@felipelpr, I sincerely think that the Brazilian league in its current setup is not good for the calendar. The schedule should balance state, region, and national leagues. 20 teams at the top is also not enough.
Embora os estaduais sejam tradicionais no futebol brasileiro, é preciso entender que essa tradição surgiu da dificuldade de se fazer viagens muito longas com frequência no começo do século passado, quando o esporte ainda passava por uma transição do amadorismo para o profissionalismo.
Como o Brasil é gigantesco e nossos estados são do tamanho de muitos países da Europa (alguns até bem maiores), um campeonato nacional nessa época era extremamente inviável, restando como alternativa jogar dentro dos próprios estados. Com isso, as federações estaduais ganharam muita força e poder de decisão no futebol a nível nacional, a ponto de decidir presidente da CBF, chefe de delegação da seleção em Copa do Mundo, etc.
Só que isso se prolongou por muito mais tempo do que deveria. Já nos anos 70, 80, os clubes maiores eram plenamente capazes de custear locomoção por meio aéreo, e as federações estaduais deveriam reconhecer que o melhor para o desenvolvimento do futebol no país era fazer dos estaduais algo voltado aos clubes menores, integrando-os totalmente à pirâmide do futebol nacional e deixando os grandes organizarem uma liga. O problema é que quem tem poder no Brasil não pensa no produto como um todo e não quer largar o osso, porque a teta dá muito leite, aí ficamos nesse lenga-lenga eterno.
Pra mim, os estaduais deveriam ser uma 5ª ou 6ª divisão. A Série D deveria ter rebaixamento para um Regional ou direto para o Estadual mesmo.
Se os poderosos pensassem no bem geral do futebol brasileiro, bateríamos de frente com qualquer liga europeia, mas a grana no bolso deles fala mais alto. Quem perde somos nós.
"Quem perde somos nós" - realmente a conclusão e a realidade triste de tudo isso mesmo. Potencial sem limites no Brasil com nosso futebol mas nada é feito porque os executivos querem a graninha deles no bolso.
já é melhor do que a pipocada do Botafofo kkkkkk
kkkk valeu!
Least complicated Brazilian system
...I am not explaining the tax system, y'all can't make me!
Rick Ross out of nowhere 💀💀
had to let 'em know!
glad this is popping off for you, this is 50k sub type content
Sincerely appreciated!
Os estaduais são a essência do futebol brasileiro
Sim, a essência do atraso.
A wild Maqwell was spotted! Any chance you both do a Collab some day? Great video btw
Someday down the line, I’d love the chance to do so!
vídeo brabo, adorei ter posto barão vermelho como outro no final mano!
Tem sido o outro desde do começo e não tenho planos pra mudar ainda. Valeu!
I’d love a deep dive with the Vasco/Flamengo rivalry. I still have mixed feelings about Romario playing for those Flamengo fuckers.
A lot of people do but it’s typical Romário behavior to just not care so long as he was able to play.
@@BrasilianFuryI know he followed the money a bit, but he was still a hell of a footballer. He was unplayable in his prime.
UNIAO DEDO PRA CIMA VIVA TIA LEILA
In romario's time it was normal playing for rivals, he played in Vasco, flashit and fluminense
Great video, another potential topic could be the American System, particular a guide to it, because i would bet no matter how much of a mess the Brazilian federation tries to make football in brazil, ive never seen such an anti progress system as we have it here in the states
Thank you. But for the American system, Tactical Manager and 11 Yanks’ channels do an excellent job of covering facets of it and just how crazy that whole system is in its own right.
Lembro quando jogávamos futebol, que você era fã do Veloso, goleiro do Palmeiras. Poderia fazer um vídeo, falando dos grandes goleiros da década de 90 nos principais clubes do Brasil 😊👀 Um grande abraço Chris!
Valeu Renato! E com certeza é uma ideia - goleiros ou talvez jogadores da nossa época que não foram pra Europa que talvez o pessoal nessas partes não conhecem tão bem.
@@BrasilianFury muito bom! Gostei do tema! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
This was a lot but in a good way...still not playing Brazilian leagues in FM tho. 😂
LMAO JUAN PLS COME TO BRASIL!
New sub from Paraguay! 💪
¡Gracias!
Eu acabaria com as Copas Estaduais, e criaria as Ligas Estaduais no lugar apenas para os clubes sem divisão nacional.
Assim esses clubes teriam calendário de Fevereiro a Novembro.
Reminds me of the US with the Lamar Hunt Open Cup. MLS is desperate to kill it so they can start new tournaments against other leagues while lover division clubs see it as the biggest trophy they could possibly win.
That entire situation was 100% the reason for ragging on the MLS and the Leagues Cup nonsense during the video.
@@BrasilianFury that's one thing Brazil and USA have in common
The effort to get rid of the cup is the best proof that US-Americans don’t understand football
i personally like the idea of a Serie E (and possibly a Serie F under it) to help clean up the scheduling issues and give SOME stability/CONSISTANCY to the football pyramid but as you stated earlier... it doesn't behoove the State Federations to make that switch and possible DISRUPT them... outside of people just overthrowing all the state federations or someone up top growing a pair and telling the state federations what to do(wishful thinking at best) nothing's really gonna change, i feel bad for those teams that have to play between 70-80 games a year due to this scheduling but ya also gotta take into account as you stated earlier, some states once your state championships are over you probably won't have any more football(outside of friendlies) for months at a time because you didn't get invited to Serie D... kinda BS if you ask me...
Brazil is around the size of the Europe minus the UK, so an easier to understand comparison between leagues (structure-wise, not level-wise of course) would go like this:
State Leagues = European Domestic Leagues (even the fact that two or three teams dominate them lol)
Brasileirão = Champions League with teams from all those states but with 4 tiers on top
el brasilero mas humilde
@@Androbott I'm clearly not referring to the level but comparing the structure
That's how I understood it too, for whatever it's worth.
Really interesting stuff! Also those moustaches on the SPAC players: my word.
The 1900's and mustaches in it were absolutely WILD! Thanks for checking this one out as always, Jack!
Ótimo vídeo! Liked and subscribed 🎉
Tamos juntos!
That was a really good video, congratz
Glad you enjoyed it
muito bom vídeo, colega.
acho que vale de recomendação apenas a ideia de enquanto citar os estados (como foi feito por volta dos 3 minutos de vídeo) mostrar sua localização no mapa, o que além de visualmente agradável, é tambem de grande ajuda pra quem não conhece a geografia Brasileira.
ganhou mais um inscrito com o ótimo conteúdo 👍
Good to have you back Fury, great vid so far!
thank you Cassidy!
English FA: "We're launching county championships, based upon Brazil's state championships."
Jurgen Klopp: "See why I left Liverpool? See why Xabi Alonso made the right decision to stay put at Leverkusen?"
The absolute laugh that just left me at imagining that concept alone 🤣
Imagine Liverpool playing against Southport FC, at Pure Stadium, for 5.400 fans, on a Monday rainy night. That would be a sight to behold
É exatamente isso que eu como torcedor do Flamengo sinto ao ver meu time jogando contra o bangu enquanto poderia estar jogando contra o Palmeiras no Maracanã pra quase 80 mil fans! Enquanto isso tiver acontecendo vamos continuar indo para o mundial tomar cacete de europeu!
Great Britain, with English, Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish leagues, already has our state championships.
This was excellent, Fury. Good work!
Thank you kindly!
another instant classic
Thank you Pix!
First channel I've seen talk about Brazilian football in English. Please do more videos on Brazilian football.
Definitely the plan for the course of the year. Thank you!
Big FM fan but would love to see more video essay stuff on Brazilian football. Can be hard to access stuff in a different language. Even history of rivals or something like that would be great. Loved the video!
Thank you so much and yes, it’s something I’ve noticed where the access is not quite there for an English speaking audience and if I can be a bridge in any way to help spark that interest, then I’ve done a decent job at least.
The fact that the facecam shots keep changing is sending me 😂
I know plenty of creators have no issues sitting still for a while and recording themselves on camera to then edit/clip accordingly.
...I am (as of now, anyway) not one of those people, so chaotic wardrobe changes and different times of the day is what you all are going to get for the foreseeable future in these. 😂
Hi from Latvia! Great channel, will be following this!
Thank you so much!
A solução para os torneios regionais como a Copa do Nordeste e a Copa Verde.
Os 8 melhores rankeados no ranking histórico da CBF, já iam entrar direto nas Oitavas de Final.
Os outros clubes iam participar de uma fase de grupos.
Apenas os primeiros colocados desses grupos iam avançar para o Mata-mata.
Idunno about estaduais becoming a 5th tier. They're too big rn to fall down that hard in status (and economical worth), every single state federation would be against it.
Yeah, definitely the biggest challenge with that proposal. Personally, I like the idea of extending them to run through the whole year with less dates and maybe adopting a format where you can balance the bigger clubs entering in playoff rounds but it’s a lot of semantics, money and getting the federations on board to do it
@@fresagrus4490 Hey, i'll give you the income part but not the attendance part. Even lower league sides get a lot of support from local communities, be it Serie D clubs or clubs who only play in estaduais.
It is interesting that at this very same moment there is a similiar situation happening here in New Zealand with our Rugby. The Provincial Rugby Unions who have run the game from the very beginning have pretty much been told by an independent report (which they had to pay for) that they have to stop running our game. Obviously they have not been happy about this and been dragging their feet, etc. Though unlike in Brazil where I've been hearing people complain about state Championships all my life without anything changing, the situation will probably change here one way or another.
unexpected captain tsubasa SNES music in the beginning 👌🏻
also that’s a lot of KOF and Ace Combat music
Great gaming music and most likely to not get me utterly dismantled by UA-cam’s whole copyright system if I lower the dB/volume of it enough. It’s a win-win for all!
(Also those Captain Tsubasa SNES games ruled)
From mustermannfm video. Thanks for this. I posted a comment on his moneyball Brazil video about how I always found gems in the Minas State Championship. Gustavo Walisson being my favorite player to sign.
Lamar Hunt cup is gonna turn into a B team or MLS next pro cup competition in a few years. I gotta feeling.
Btw love the wrestling memes, just clocked the NJPW box lol
NJPW has been the main company I’ve followed over the past decade, so I’m good for at least sneaking in one of those references 😂 - thanks for watching!
As an American fan who regularly tuned in to Paramount+ streaming the Brasilian Serie A for the last couple of years, I was wondering if you had insight on why Paramount+ suddenly stopped streaming the games this season with no notice?
Right now, Serie A is postponed for two weeks due to the floods in Rio Grande do Sul where Grêmio, Internacional and Juventude play
Thanks! That explains the current postponements, though I was referring to Paramount+ not live streaming games since the beginning of the Serie A season. They only had matches from last season up for streaming.
@@joshuakleinberg4855 wait, seriously? I’ve been following it mostly through Globo and such so far but I didn’t know Paramount+ suddenly stopped showing them. That’s odd for sure.
Yep. Just checked the Paramount+ catalogue again, Brasil Serie A is completely gone now, not even the replays from last season are available. I will check out Globo. I like watching Cuiaba personally. Love me a scrappy underdog.
It probably has something to do they were trying to form a league last year, which failed miserably and had teams split into two groups: LIBRA and Futebol Forte. They couldn't agree on the revenue distribution and ended up finishing the year as comercial groups, and they each sold their TV rights separate from each other. They are still fixing this issue right now as they eventually closed deals with multiple channels outside the country, but it still far from last season. I currently watch games through Prime Video's Premiere service.
Accidentally, you may google librefutbol and coincidentally find the matches you wanna watch.
Ace Combat music and pro wrestling references over a Brazilian soccer competition I have no idea about? Hell yeah brother
Hell yeah brother!
your best vid to date, good work Fury!
Thanks a lot!
Que achado esse canal! Excelente trabalho! Avanti Palestra!
Avanti Palestra!
Definitely need more history videos like these Brasil has a super rich and so complicated futbol history
Appreciate you watching this one and yes, this is most likely going to be the running theme for the video essays side of the spectrum throughout the rest of the yera.
Maqwell sent me here
MAQWELL THE GAWD! (although his yearly pain with Arsenal will never not be funny)
Tremendous work!!
Thank you Tac! 🙏🏻
Seria mais fácil a CBF copiar a pirâmide inglesa, mas eles estão mais "ocupados" com outras coisas.
Ou até o estilo da pirâmide do Japão mas sim, eles estão “muito ocupados.”
muito bom o vídeo mano parabéns
Muito obrigado!
How about instead of removing the State Championships entire. We just bar the Top Division Team from participating on it? That way, the Serie A Teams wouldn't br drained by Schedules, while the benefit of Talent Scouting and the Divisions lower are getting more spotlights as well
I hear the idea...but one of the problems with that is that the big draws in the State competitions mostly are the Serie A teams. With the current format, a lot of the interior/countryside teams in their respective states see their biggest gates/money makers being those match-ups against bigger sides like a Flamengo, Palmeiras, Corinthians, Atletico Mineiro, Gremio, etc.
Not to mention, the fact that the TV rights for a lot of these state competitions are sold on being able to show those bigger teams for revenue and the like. The system as a whole definitely needs some changes to alleviate the schedule for the bigger sides but also be financially feasible for everyone involved. It's not an easy solution, sadly.
@@BrasilianFury yeah, makes sense. I Saw the same argument against FA Cup Replays on that one, so...
Great vid!
Thanks Harald!
Pô mano, eu amei o vídeo, mas que ele fosse em português também, esse é um conteúdo muito relevante, principalmente pela desvalorização que comentaristas e cartolas dizem sobre os estaduais que são um patrimônio da história de nosso futebol, e o intuito deles é "europizar" mais o nosso futebol, uma das marcas disso é o próprio brasileirão quando teve sua reformulação, ou a contratação de técnicos internacionais, a alta exportação de talentos e etc. Seu vídeo realmente é uma valorização do nosso futebol nacional. Parabéns
Eu considerei ter o áudio em português também mas seria um inferno tentar dublar a partes do vídeo aonde eu apareço em português kkkk - mas muito obrigado pelo elogio e você me deu algo pra considerar no próximo desses que eu fizer.
Great video, cheers
Thank you!
Interessante mano, dropa a lore das rivalidades para os gringos
Agora realmente a questão é qual rivalidade - porque o Brasil tem um monte dessas que são interesantes demais.
@@BrasilianFury tenho que ser puxa saco do meu time e sugerir o BaVi, mas os times grandes do sudeste tem muita história bem documentada. O FlaFlu seria bem bom.
@@marinhaalternativa3829 Pra mim, Choque-Rei ou o Derby Paulista seriam os mais fáceis de falar mas talvez algo como o Grenal (especialmente com tudo o que est[a acontencendo em RS) or BaVi seria interesante!
love the AVs banners!!
Thank you! First team I got to see live in North America after moving out here in 2001 and well, that fandom grew from there.
great video
Thanks!
A solução para os torneios estaduais na minha opinião, nos estados que possui tradição no futebol, os clubes grandes já poderia entrar direto nas Quartas de Final ou Semi Final. Claro isso ia depender do nível do estadual.
Por exemplo no Carioca os 4 grandes poderiam entrar direto nas Quartas de Final.
No Cearense o Fortaleza e Ceará poderiam entrar direto nas Semi-Finais.
Você é o Brasilian Fury que aparece nos créditos finais do Maqwell?
Sim, o mesmo. Conheci o Maqwell aqui em Denver durante as finais da NBA no ano passado quando ele venho aqui pro Game 5 e ele tem sido uma inspiração pra fazer mais desse estilo de vídeo.
@@BrasilianFury Caralho, que foda! Curti demais o canal!
@@luizm-s9t Muito obrigado!
Another banger 🔥
Thank you Scotsman!
immediately subscribed
Much appreciated!
Does anyvone know whats happening in the Brasilireao?
All the matches are cancelled until june?
It's due to the floods in Rio Grande do Sul, the next 2 weekend rounds got postponed
@@Nikki04Leverkusen oh ok,thanks
Yup, exactly this. Absolutely sad situation there as well, glad they at least eventually all paused the tournament for a bit.
It's the year 2147.
This is the current NeoBrazil Seleção starting lineup:
GK: Ronaldo Silva
LB: Ronaldo Moura
RB: Ronaldinho Acreano
CAM: Ronaldulinho
LW: Ronaldo Cabrinho
ST: Ronaldo Queiroz
ST: Ronaldinho Paulista
ST: Cyborg Neymar (Brought to you by Saudi Aramco ® - Where Energy is Opportunity™)
ST: Ronaldão
ST: Ronaldo Carlos
RW: Ronaldo Nazário Jr. Jr. Jr. Jr.
Still rumo ao Hexa.
...I think the scariest part of all of this is that Cyber Neymar Jr's existence also means his sister got turned into one of those too. 💀
Has there ever been a video game (even share ware/freeware) that properly represented the Brazilian competitions? FM does the best that it can, but it clearly cannot replicate série d and the state championships ladder
Outside of mods in certain games, old and new, I do not believe so. FM is probably one of the closest from the get-go but I think to even be able to replicate the format properly, they'd need to get the rights for Brazilian teams and competitions outright to do so.
FAZ UM VÍDEO JOGANDO NA CARA DELES O QUÃO É MAIS COMPETITIVO É O CAMPEONATO BRASILEIRO EM COMPARAÇÃO AOS EUROPEUS
What do clubs that don't qualify for Série D do for the rest of the season?
O que os clubes que não se classificam para a Série D fazem no resto da temporada?
Most of them close their doors for the rest of the year and players often end up loaned out to other active teams in the Brazilian pyramid - Água Santa’s roster last year that made the Paulista final, about 80% of their players had loans sorted out to play for the other teams for the remainder of the calendar year after the second leg of that final vs Palmeiras
@@BrasilianFury Thanks! I've been trying to find this out since I found there were Serie D mods for FM! Great video BTW.
@@surreallifeartist6461 sincerely appreciated!
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Esqueceu de falar que além dos campeonatos estaduais também tem os campeonato regionais, como a copa do Nordeste e a copa verde,e também a extinta Copa Norte,
Que davam vagas para a sul-americana e agora dão vagas para a terceira fase da copa do brasil
Os campeonatos regionais, para os times que participam deles, têm mais pesso do que os campeonatos estaduais. E só um adendo, ótimo vídeo, e hoje tem final de copa verde ( paydandu e vila nova) eu torcedor do paysandu vamo papão 🤍💙🐺
Sim, realmente foquei mais nos estaduais por causa da organização deles sendo pelas federações estaduais aó invés da CBF, como essas Copas são - mas elas ainda tem sua importancia com as vagas pra Copa do Brasil também! Obrigado por assistir e comentar!
Ive heard of the Paulista many times before but never really understood what it was
@@liamconverse8950 hopefully this was of help in terms of understanding it slightly better! 😊
Please do a video on brazilian derbys
It is on the list, I just need to pick which one to do first
Eu ampliaria a Série B de 20 clubes para 30 clubes.
Estilo formato argentino, turno único e pontos corridos.
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Appreciate you Mustermann! FM fam is the best fam.
I mean, you scratched the surface and you can even use the problematics in South Brazil that is happening right now to even embolden the argument against giving the States Federation SO MUCH POWER
Oh 100%. There’s a much, much deeper dive that could be made on the corruption levels within the state federations alone (I’d have a field day just talking about the Federação Paulista by itself) and the situation in Rio Grande do Sul now on top of it all shines an even brighter light on how problematic the scheduling is.
@@BrasilianFury yes, as a Carioca, I wish flamengo and the paulistan teams weren't so stupid wanting more money(which they would had anyway) and bottled the "brazilian premier league" altogether because of their stupidity, and the worst of all, fans will bottle an improvement in general for defending a club position in which is stupid, and they treat as a derby and the presidents of those clubs too
I wish it goes somewhere even if starts separatelly and then later they merge
The problem is there are so many unnecessary number of matches in state championships.
Take Paulista Championship for example. They divided 16 teams into 4 groups of 4 teams. Rationally you would expect teams playing against other teams in their groups and playing 6 matches in total, right? NO! They play against 12 other clubs instead and then they are ranked against the 3 other clubs who did not face against each other in their groups. If they used the rational format of 6 matches instead of 12, they could have ended with 12 in total instead even if they played all knockout stage matches in two-leg (quarter and semi finals are one-leg in current format).
A Brazilian team desiring to win all competitions will have to play 38 national league matches, 11 cup matches (including super cup) and 17-19 continental and international cup matches (including Recopa and FWC), which will make it 66-68 games. Even if Manchester City had won EFL Cup, UEFA Super Cup and FWC in their treble season; they would play 67 instead of 61 games. NOW, add state championship matches of at least 10 games, and you have a mental breakdown for Brazilian club players.
It's also the fact that it varies from state to state in terms of the regulations. As a Palmeiras fan, I'm fairly familiar with the Paulista format and the changes they've made over the years and it definitely has its flaws - but I also personally don't think it's a situation where hurting an entire ecosystem below you just to satisfy 3-4 big clubs who want to win all competitions every years helps either. There's definitely better solutions to make the calendar feasible and not a complete overload but again, a lot of it is on getting the CBF and the state federations to actually agree on those changes.
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Série C eu também ampliaria a quantidade de clubes.
De 20 para 64 Clubes.
4 grupos com 16 clubes em cada.
Óbvio dividiria os grupos por regiões.
Os clubes enfrentaria apenas os clubes de seu grupo.
Todo clube na série C jogaria no mínimo 30 jogos.
Os campeões dos grupos seriam os promovidos.
Depois os campeões dos grupos se enfrentava no Mata-mata pelo título da Série C.
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Série D eu também ampliaria a quantidade de clubes.
De 64 Clubes para 112 clubes.
Também seria dividido por região.
8 grupos com 14 clubes em cada.
Jogaria apenas com os clubes de seu grupo.
Todo clube na série D jogaria 26 jogos.
Os campeões dos grupos seriam os promovidos.
Depois se enfrentava no Mata-mata pela disputa do título da Série D.
basicamente um brasileirão da decada de 80, pior que nesse caso faz sentido
Os estaduais e o campeonato nacional tem que evoluir e adotar o modelo europeu de tal maneira que os estaduais sejam o torneio de abertura e o nacional seja o torneio de encerramento onde na abertura, jogam-se os estaduais, os 26 campeões formam a liga de encerramento com os quatro primeiros colocados dos estaduais formando os 104 clubes a disputar a copa do Brasil.
Os segundo colocados dos estaduais formam a segunda divisão, os terceiros a terceira, e os quartos a quarta divisão. O campeão do encerramento e da copa jogando a recopa do Brasil e os 6 primeiros do encerramento indo pra Libertadores, o campeão da copa para Sul-Americana assim como o times da sétima a décima segunda posição indo também para a Sul-Americana. Assim os estaduais receberiam o reconhecimento e dinheiro necessário para seguir como peça principal do campeonato brasileiro. Os estaduais sendo reduzidos a dezesseis clubes por divisão, e a segunda a trinta e dois clubes, estes torneios correndo junto a abertura e encerramento e promovendo quatro clubes para a primeira divisão do ano seguinte e recebendo os quatro rebaixados da primeira. Copas estaduais preenchendo o período de encerramento para os clubes fora do encerramento junto as divisões de baixo dos estados para promover um calendário enorme e inclusivo para todos os clubes, com recopas para os estados entre os campeões estaduais e das suas respectivas copas. O Brasil seria a elite e palco principal mundial do futebol nesse formato.
Realmente um formato ambicioso mas eu estou vendo a visão. Único problema com qualquer formato que é sugestionado é o dinheiro e tendo as federações também querendo fazer essa mudança e esse é o maior desafio de todos.
@@BrasilianFury Ditto. A corrupção ativa e passiva dentro da CBF e federações estaduais proíbem qualquer movimento que favoreça o futebol antes de favorecer os interesses financeiros de suas respectivas gestões e gestores.
Uma alternativa talvez mais favorável e compacta seria abolir os estaduais em favor de regionais, estes tendo sua duração pária ao campeonato nacional e incluindo equipes do Brasileirão porém relegados a jogarem apenas com seus sub-23 e dando-lhes o direito de elevar jogadores desde o sub-23 as equipes principais assim como é feito em liga europeias e abolindo também os campeonatos nacionais sub-20. Desde este pentágono de campeonatos, formasse a grande final onde o primeiro e melhor colocado das ligas aguarda os outros quatro jogarem um famoso mata-mata para enfrentar o melhor primeiro colocado. Daí, o campeão brasileiro, da Copa do Brasil e dos regionais fazem uma triangular Super Copa do Brasil, sendo o campeão qualificado para jogar a Libertadores, e se este for o mesmo que o campeão do Brasileirão, uma vaga a mais vai para o Brasileirão, sendo o sétimo lugar este.
Enfim, os estaduais nunca serão extintos pois são a fundação do futebol nacional mais que reformas de baixo a cima e lado a lado são necessárias pra padronizar o futebol a nível nacional e mantendo os estaduais viáveis, isso é tão fundamental quanto os estaduais mesmos.
i have a proposal for a new format to brazilian football,
the states must unify the estaduais format, i think the best is the mineiro championship. 12 teams, 3 groups of 4 teams in the first phase, teams in the same group do not face each other, 8 rounds. The leaders of the 3 groups plus the best runner-up will advance to the final stage. semi and finals, two legs. 12 total matches
then we revive the regional cups and the copa dos campeões.
for example, copa do nordeste, the best states gets two teams, the worst get one.16 clubs. in knock out format, two legs. 8 maches
we should have the nordeste cup, verde cup( north and center-west) sudeste cup and south cup in that format.
than the winners of that cup should face in the copa dos campeões, semis, finals, two legs. the winner gets a spot in the libertadores. 4 maches.
than copa do brasil, brasileiro and international competitions remain the same. we reduce the colosal amount of games and create new fun competitions.
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@@BrasilianFuryconvenhamos que passamos uma década sem jogar a copa do Brasil também né
E ótimo vídeo, de verdade. Tu merece crescer muito
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I prefered a complete football pyramide.
I: Brazil wide
II: Northern Half & Southern Half
III: North East; North Central; South Central; South East
IV: 1 * North East; 3* North Central; 3* South Central; 1 * South East
V: 2* North East; 6 * North Central; 6 * South Central; 2 * South East
VI: 27 * 1st Leagues of the State; 5* City leagues: Rio de Janeiro; Sao Paolo; Brasilia; Belo Horizonte; Minais Geraris
VII: 27 * 2nd Leagues of the states; 27 * 1st Leagues of the State capitals; 10 * City Leagues
VIII: 27 * 3rd Leagues of the states; 27 * 2nd Leagues of the State capitals; 74 * City Leagues/Town Leagues
IX: 27 * 4th Leagues of the states; 27 * 3rd Leagues of the State capitals; 202 * City Leagues/Town Leagues
X: 27 * 5th Leagues of the states; 27 * 4th Leagues of the State capitals; 458 * City Leagues/Town Leagues
XI and lower: very localized, ... if these tears even would be needed!
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Interesting, although with Brazil’s size, that’d be way too much travel for certain teams to where it might not be as sustainable given the size of the country
State championship existed because Brazil was neolithic prior to late 60s to 1970. They barely had stable road infrastructure to travel. Especially northern Brazil.
State championships are outdated and should be incorporated into the Copa Do Brasil.
I don't necessarily agree - but outside of personal preference, it's because I know the CBF would mess up the whole thing on top of the state federations throwing a fit about it.
@BrasilianFury hence the name Confederation made up by state federations. It was almost a super league
Brazilian state championships are viewed as pre season Mickey Mouse tournaments in the US 😂
I mean, not that it really matters how the U.S. views them unless you all got money involved like John Textor and 777 do on some of the teams over here, I guess. 🤷🏻♂️
Good video, learned a lot about the Brazilian scene, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid!
Thank you so much.
Agora a solução para os estaduais que ficam em estados que não possui tradição no futebol.
Seria fazer no modelo de pontos corridos, de Fevereiro a Novembro.
Se algum clube desse estado evoluísse a ponto de jogar uma Série B, ele não precisaria participar dessa Liga estadual.
Bastava ele jogar uma Supercopa estadual contra o campeão da Liga estadual.