Step-by-step guide for putting BIP39 12-word & BIP39 24-word mnemonic seed onto the Capsule
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- A demonstration on how to put together two different types of seeds on a Cryptosteel Capsule.
The first is a BIP39 12-word standard mnemonic seed.
The second is a BIP39 24-word mnemonic seed.
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And then you drop the thing while reading it out to restore your seed and you have a very expensive, unsolvable puzzle.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 It complicates a much simpler problem to solve...
Every Capsule includes multiple fasteners which lock your seed phrase in place. Made of steel, the only way for the tiles to fall out would be to intentionally remove the fastener (since it cannot be removed any other way) and drop it.
@@Cryptosteel Except there is not enough space to read it when locked and using 24 words
@@0cool966 - we are explaining why four letters per word is the standard way to store a #seedphrase here: cryptosteel.com/why-four-letter-words-are-the-standard-for-recovery-seed-backup/
@@Cryptosteel There is not. Do not buy this! Even with abbreviating the 24 words to 4 letters, there is not enough space to put on the fastener. You will need to remove half of the spacers separating the words in order to make it all fit. DO NOT PURCHASE
If there's only 4 letters of a word, how does one insure what word it is exactly. "Excl" could mean multiple things. Exclusion, exclude, exclusivity etc.
Good question Mads. The BIP39 system uses a list of 2048 words, with none repeating the same 4 first letters. Additionally, when recovering a wallet like Trezor, Ledger, Blockstream etc, those wallets only require the first 4 letters, so you never actually need the full words. When you're on the wallet recover screen, each letter you put in narrows down the available words, so many words are auto-completed after just 2 or 3 letters. The BIP39 word list is also open source on github: github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt
Hi mate what is the best way to find last 2 from 24 words ?
sorry noob here: if you use THIS method how do you read it when it's all together? Do you have to take them out to see all the letters? sorry i'm a bit confused. Because compared to the Billfodl, this one doesn't seem like you can read it without taking it apart.
Glad to answer with a demonstration: How to read the backup ua-cam.com/video/vIvn_7VKwVA/v-deo.html. You can also watch this quick stress test: ua-cam.com/video/INx36TFFy28/v-deo.html .
The Cryptosteel Capsule is the result of a years-long research and development process focused on implementing a wide range of safety features paired with extreme durability. One of them is the moveable fastener located in the slot. It enhances shock absorption and minimizes the effect of potential stress on the tiles.
The Capsule as a whole is extremely resistant. It can withstand up to 150 kN of pressure - but your data is safe even beyond that!
Even if crushed, the device preserves your code by clamping shut on the character tiles. Since the fastener and the core are not fixed to the cap, you can open the Capsule and recover the seed.
If you love flat design, you can order the original Cryptosteel Cassette, the first all-metal-backup invented in 2014. cryptosteel.com/statement-on-cryptosteel-open-source-origins/
@@Cryptosteel thank you. I've seen reviews on the Ledger site that mention this can't be used properly, like the sheet, because they had words that were more than four letters. I assume you abbreviate the words? And wouldn't that make it tricky to remember if it's an uncommon word that's been abbreviated?
@@HarosOfStyx - Most likely your recovery seed is pulled from a list of 2048 words aka BIP39: github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt
Each word in this list was chosen with four unique letters. Furthermore, your wallet already has this list loaded - and will suggest you the remaining letters if the word is longer.
I know less after watching the video. I never thought this is possible.
My wallet gave me a 24 word pass phrase and I'm not sure how I'm supposed to remember the word by just putting in the first 4 letters like the video says.
Because every world has a different set of four-letter initials, hardware wallets can easily recover from BIP39 four-letter abbreviated words. This broadly accepted standard is described on our website here: cryptosteel.com/why-four-letter-words-are-the-standard-for-recovery-seed-backup/
no comment - ua-cam.com/video/Z86V_ICUCD4/v-deo.html
I think it's a great design... You just need to think about it, which I think adds another added layer of security. You have a mechanical key that opens your electronic hardware which holds your digital assets. Brilliant! Welcome To The Future Baby!
Yes, it's that dead simple. But I suppose you understand how electronics work on a micro scale? That all that jazz and logic gates are as mechanical as an old vintage pinball machine, but miniaturized to the nanometer scale? ua-cam.com/video/xkLAhU74f3s/v-deo.html
Can't wait to see the video of someone trying to unpack their life savings 20 years from now ... opening their capsule and promptly spilling all of the characters everywhere...
*this is a terrible design*
You don't need to remove the fastener to read your seed, and you definitely shouldn't.
Every Capsule has a set of robust steel fasteners included - these lock in your tiles so that after opening, they stay in place. This can be removed as needed, but, generally speaking, the Capsule is meant for long-term storage. Here is a video we made displaying how it works:
ua-cam.com/video/INx36TFFy28/v-deo.html
hey kids sorry for not leaving you our life savings to you but keep in mind we did try but your father spilt all 240 pieces of it on the floor however we did leave you those spillings all you need to do is figure out what 24 words they are then once you do that you need to figure out what order they where it, this should keep you guys occupied for a few years, lots of love, Mum & dad.
I was thinking the same thing. What if you spill them on the floor. Surely there has to be a better way. I bought one anyway. :)
In this same way, it could be used to prevent anyone but you urself from actually getting the seed phrase,,,
for 99EUR I just write it in the paper and put on it foil and put in home steel vault !
10€ in btc
This is a terrible idea and an awful design to keep and read words.....why not engraving your password on a small steel plate?
With the Capsule, you have an immediate in-the-box solution that requires no special tools or knowledge. 10 minutes, by yourself, and you have a permanent backup. With engraving, you require special tools and knowledge - or needing to compromise your data by going to an engraver. Travel with a plate is also compromising, as there is nothing to shield the information. Getting high-quality steel is another barrier for many users. The consistency and legibility of the tile system allows for generations to read what's on it - while engraving can be sloppy and inconsistent. A capsule allows for rapid setup, re-use, corrections, consistent readability, and minimal risk when setting up. An engraved steel plate has none of this. We invented the steel tile system - it is simple and flexible, and our customers prefer it. We wrote an article explaining the tile system and why we believe it is a superior system:
cryptosteel.com/how-to-create-a-permanent-backup-in-minutes/
looks great! but I think this is a complicated solution for a simple problem..
The issue of private key security is not as trivial as it seems, especially for broader adoption.
Cryptosteel give you CCSS Level 3 compliance right out of the box, being impervious to fire, flood, MiM, static electricity and even EMPs.
cryptoconsortium.github.io/CCSS/
My big fear is that you could somehow dump the letters off this by accident. Is this something you don't need to worry about?
Fortunately it is covered - every Capsule includes steel fasteners which are used to lock the tiles inside the Capsule. So, even if you opened it up, turned it upside-down, shook it, crushed it - the tiles would remain locked in.
if you spill it you loose all your money. Not a great system, this could have been done a lot better.
Hi, this is a common concern but we have it covered! Years of R&D had us develop the Capsule, which includes multiple steel fasteners that lock your tiles in place once you put them in. This is removable as needed, but will keep your recovery seed secure for the long-term. Additionally, this is only the interior - the exterior shell is extremely resistant to the elements and pressure, allowing for virtually no structural weaknesses to endanger your data. Here is a video showing how the fasteners work:
ua-cam.com/video/INx36TFFy28/v-deo.html
hey kids sorry for not leaving you our life savings to you but keep in mind we did try but your father spilt all 240 pieces of it on the floor however we did leave you those spillings all you need to do is figure out what 24 words they are then once you do that you need to figure out what order they where it, this should keep you guys occupied for a few years, lots of love, Mum & dad.
Hi, every Capsule includes fasteners to secure the tiles in place. If the fastener is in place, the tiles have no possible way of falling out. You would have to open the Capsule and actively remove the fastener to remove the tiles.
Seems like the fastener would break from metal fatigue if used more than a couple times. Maybe you should include more than couple in the kit.
I was thinking the same thing. Kinda like a key on a can of spam... I suppose you could use it once or twice before breaking off.
@@ToadLiver We include several fasteners in every box, but we actually test the fasteners, which are made of stainless steel, and they match up to the level of durability of the rest of the Capsule.
Hello, for the 24 words, is there enough space to put the full words ?
No
Late reply, but apparently you need to do just the 4 letters of the word if you have 24 words.
There is not. Do not buy this! Even with abbreviating the 24 words to 4 letters, there is not enough space to put on the fastener. You will need to remove half of the spacers separating the words in order to make it all fit. DO NOT PURCHASE
Sadly when you have 24 words it seems impossible to read the words without disassemble all, am I wrong ?
Capsule reading is very intuitive. Here you can see exactly how the process works. ua-cam.com/video/JVhXrAp3Zvw/v-deo.html
Remember to never remove the fastener, which is designed so that it can never be accidentally opened. You can only remove it consciously, it is not easy, but it is possible.
Sad thing is if something happens to you, your family will never get that money...
We strongly encourage exploring crypto inheritance options. This is a new field that has been developing in the community the last couple years. With something like Shamir Backup you can do some quite sophisticated inheritance organization.
Or...... just put a rolled up piece of paper with the words written on it in a short steel pipe.
What on earth is the deal with splitting up letters like that? Even if we use this product, you can fit a sliver of A4 in there with the words written extremely easily... like wtf lol?
Abbreviating words is the standard for BIP39 seed phrases (Ledger, Trezor wallets, etc). To recover, you only need the first 4 letters and wallets don't usually even ask for the entire word. While a steel pipe and paper could be fine, it is worth considering the quality of the steel pipe - is it stainless steel? Rust proof? Waterproof? What happens if there's a fire, would the steel protect the paper sufficiently? Or a flood? For many users, simple home solutions will work fine. But as your assets build up, you need to ask yourself - how satisfied am I with my backup security?
to read all words if you need to recover you wallet you have to put of each letter one by one of rod and when you do that it makes it easy to lost all words - then you are DONE! ha! ha!
Each Capsule comes with a set of steel fasteners which lock your tiles into place.
letters should of be printed different color than the steel. like white or black
100$ for that tiny piece of crap metal
This is a bit overkill and pointless to me
The Capsule is made of German AISI 303 and 304 stainless steel. It is capable of withstanding house fires, totally waterproof and rustproof, highly resistant to corrosion and even mass pressure. The tiles are also stainless steel, and are press-stamped instead of laser engraved which prevents erosion. These features allow for your seed phrase - and, in turn, your digital assets - to endure a huge variety of extreme conditions. Plus, it is small and lightweight allowing for huge flexibility in storage options. Essentially, if you want to have long-term offline storage, the Capsule is built to survive any conditions it encounters.
When we have multiple wallets and if I order a few capsules, what's your recommendation on how we can track which capsule stores the seeds for the appropriate wallet? Put a sticker or some writing on the outside of each capsule?
Good question - the best options would be something like a fireproof/tamper-evident label, or, for the Capsule especially, attach one of the tiles around the Cap Hole (the hole at the top of the Capsule) so you retain the stainless steel durability.
@@Cryptosteel thanks for the feedback!
very odd design, and overly complicated
The Capsule is actually very simple! You have your seed phrase, you abbreviate it (which is standard for all BIP39 backups), put the tiles in the Capsule, add a fastener at the end to lock the tiles in place, and done! Of course, you should do a recovery test-run to make sure you set it up correctly, but besides that setting up a Capsule can take just 15 minutes and requires no special tools. Everything is included in the box.
It seems very complicated to use
While it may seem complex, it's actually really simple and requires no added tools or anything - whole setup can take 10, 15 minutes. You take your seed phrase, take the first 4 letters of each word, put it in the Capsule, add the fastener, close it and done!
Is there any video out there that shows how it looks when you read your seed?
Here you are: ua-cam.com/video/vIvn_7VKwVA/v-deo.html
Cryptosteel cool thanks. Is there going to me some good discoint soon?
How many of you tried to enter that phrase from the video in your wallet? 😁😁😁
I have read the comments below, and agree with most who say they feel it is a shaky way to store a seed phrase. Although the system may *in fact* be almost disaster-proof, Crytosteel should also realize/consider the psychological aspect here. If a user doesn't "feel" it is a solid storage system, that counts a lot, it's very significant to the user. So personally, I am choosing another system that doesn't create any uneasiness for me.
Thank you for your input! We acknowledge that perspectives on historical matters like the Earth's spherical shape, bacteria's existence, and seat belts have evolved. Nevertheless, our decade-long commitment to addressing safety concerns and developing seed phrase storage solutions remains strong. Our methods stem from research, experimentation, and product enhancement.
Our solutions' efficacy is evident in growing interest from prominent manufacturers, users, and competitors seeking to emulate our innovations.
As we pursue excellence in secure seed storage, we are here to provide assistance. For laboratory test results and further information, please visit the link for detailed lab test: cryptosteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/RESEARCH_OF_PORTABLE-DATA-STACK_HOLDER-94-2020.pdf
Meh on the idea... Sounds like a great way to lose your seed or mis-configure it and then fast forward 5 years to cash out and then you're f'd in the a
We always encourage users to go through a test recovery right after setup to make sure they set up the Capsule the right way. Most hardware wallets allow for this procedure and it only takes a few extra minutes to make sure your seed is backed up. Doing a recovery test-run should be performed no matter the backup device you use, though.
Is this Crypto Capsule fire proof?
A fire proof Crypto Capsule wood be a great way to protect your secret word phase from house fires.
Hi, yes it is! It can withstand temperatures up to 1400C/2500F.
Very unsafe device,if you drop the tiles your fxcked.
Hi, every Capsule includes several steel fasteners that lock the tiles into place. They are locked on the core with the fastener and, even if the Capsule is dropped, they are completely secure.
this triggered my Anxiety 😬
so if i dropped them and they scatter around, i'm screwed?
Good question, but fortunately not. Every Capsule includes multiple steel "fasteners". You add this when you finish putting the tiles into the Capsule and it locks the tiles in place. You can throw the Capsule, turn it upside down, and the tiles will remain in place.
I have a 24 passwrd but i read in the comments somthing about a list of 2048 words. can you please elaborate on that
Yes! So, most 24-word passwords are generated following something called the "BIP39 protocol". This is a list of 2048 words that, when you abbreviate the first 4 letters, are all unique. This allows for the ability to abbreviate each word on the Capsule. As UA-cam is weird with links, search up "bip39 word list" on google and the GitHub page will show you the list.
@@Cryptosteel Thanks for this comment, I didn't know about the uniqueness of the first 4 letters. I thought it was just a dirty solution and once the phrase is read, the user must try different words with the same beginning. I looked up the "BIP39" and "SLIP-0039" word list, they contain different words e.g. "snap" (BIP39) and "snapshot" (SLIP-0039). It looks like I need to store the used standard somehow to really reach the advertised "peace of mind"... (why didn't you just make the capsule a bit longer?)
ok, but how do you read it?
What is this?
Cryptosteel is offline backup device. You can learn more here: cryptosteel.com/how-it-works/
And once you've finished stacking all your characters screw the cap on tightly and insert it into your rec*&# to be sure to be sure.
Do i start stacking the letters from the first word first or start stacking from the last word untill the first??
It is up to what makes the most sense for you, but generally speaking first word at the bottom is how it is typically done.
Bruv ok, I get it’s for security, but it would take less time to memorize the words than if would be to set this thing up and read it everytime you need it
One of the best benefits to the Capsule is the speed in which it can be set up - 10, 15 minutes and you're all set! The thing is with a recovery seed is that you should only need it very rarely, so opening it up would be an uncommon situation.
How often do you lose your hardware wallet? You should reconsider your life if that is a problem lol. Hopefully you should never have to open it up, except to make sure it hasn't been tempered with every once in a while.
@@Yanoflies Doesn’t have to be lost to need it, sometimes people upgrade wallets to a better or newer model, this system just seems inefficient to me when there’s things out there like ellipals mnemonic metal
@@campfire1630 upgrades are not a frequent thing, and irregardless it takes very little time to read a seed off one of these -- you just need to unscrew the threaded cap. You can read the seed without taking the locking pins out, sure it's slightly slower than if it was just laid out but I think it's an elegant solution. I'll look at the one you mentioned though.
@@Yanoflies I just prefer that style of model for its ease of use really, and it’s build very well while being very affordable, although I definitely do get that, the design of the cryptosteel is very sleek and appealing aswell
How will I know what the word is from the first four characters? I would have to write down a reminder. Doesn’t that defeat the purpose?
Most hardware wallets use something called BIP39 for word generation. It is a list of 2048 words that, when abbreviated, cannot be mistaken for any other. cryptosteel.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002450685-Help-My-Trezor-Seed-is-157-letter-long-but-Cryptosteel-only-has-space-for-96-characters-What-do-I-do-
if you only know the first 4 letters, how are you supposed to know what the whole word is? Doesn't make sense?
@@Light_Painter only drama can be on dram... bip0039 is fixed word library, its not all the words there is lol... only 2048, your welcome noobie))
To me that’s a really good question, imagine years from now you may want to liquidate your crypto and you can’t remember the entire word, I don’t think this is a good system here.
@@Lionheart_He-Man bip39 uses 2048 words and each word has unique 4 letters begining
@@darkcggaming Seems you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning no need for the petty insults. I’m not the only one who has been saying that as well.
Eome words could get confused, like Exclude. Could also be exclusive 🤔
The way the seed phrase system was designed is so there are no 2 words with the same 4 first letters in the list of possible letters you could be given
fod god sake. just memorize the god damn words
Does anybody AGREE with me or am I the only person with this opinion????
It's a great idea and all, but you should've made the capsule bigger so that you could actually put the entire words on it and not just 4 letters. I mean if I'm spending this amount of money for a security capsule, I would rather have it a bit bigger and put the entire words on there, just for the pure fact that you could mistake the 4 letters for another word if you did lose the paper seed. I would buy this, but until you guys do decide to fix and let us add the entire words, then sorry, I'm not gonna get it.
Please read our article. There is no way the first four letters can be repeated.
cryptosteel.com/why-four-letter-words-are-the-standard-for-recovery-seed-backup/
@@Cryptosteel Do not buy this! Even with abbreviating the 24 words to 4 letters, there is not enough space to put on the fastener. You will need to remove half of the spacers separating the words in order to make it all fit. DO NOT PURCHASE
Yeah, like in 10 or 20 years I'm going to remember what the word was with only 4 of the letters... or if I give it to another person in my will, they will have psychic powers to know what the word was. Horrible system for 24 words.
There is a list containing 2048 words to choose from. Going into that list, your 1st 4 letters will give you exactly 1 word.
What's with so many clueless people acting like they know what they're talking about?