it's genuinely a wonderful game. it's something you can hop in with friends and play with no in between and explaining way too much stuff. the skill ceiling is also really high
I will defend BBTAG to death because it was my gateway into this genre. I played UNI, CF, GGST, hell even Skullgirls thanks to tag introducing me to the FGC, and I still have more fun with this game than any other fighting game with my friends. I also absolutely agree that it's not a blazblue game.
Dead set. BBTAG is the best noob game, it puts other games to shame with its learning curve. Autocombos in Melty, stylish mode, none of it compares to the way bbtag incites a noob to gradually build their skillset.
@@jamieeccleston2988 I agree with this 100 percent. I never really understood how most fighters worked until I played bbtag. The fact it's so streamlined makes Learning new stuff so much easier. Especially since most of their auto combos give you a general idea how the character is actually used if you do a tiny bit of digging. It's a really good game to just play on and off. Kind of like going to Mcdonalds
You know, as crazy as bbtag is this game was the one anime game that made me learn how to actually block. Going back to other games and the mixups feel super weak compared to have a persona launching a full screen laser, the dude trying to crossup while summoning his partner and other stuff like that. Also it has my one and only waifu Yumi so it is a 11/10 game for me
BBTAG is one of the few modern fighters that sufficiently allows for player expression. The cross combo system with multiple assists is the best tag mechanic. The majority of players failed to reach a level where they were at least competent at using it, so that's why everyone calls the game a beginner friendly fighter. The reality is that this game is the dirtiest thing since mvc3 and I hope people will realize how fun it is when rollback comes out.
There was also the DLC nonsense with half the roster being locked behind a paywall, Blake and Yang not being in the base game, and some of those paywall characters being in the base game, albeit in an incomplete state, as opponents in the story mode or just sitting in the game's files.
@@kamiha4468 wouldnt that also apply to bbtag? It’s playable on ps5 also. Unless bbtag rollback is only for PS4. If so that sucks cuz I traded my PS4 in when I got my ps5.
Death combos in BBtag are way easier than any death combo you can do in P4AU. Getting hit with a Shadow Yukari death combo is crazy and not easy to do, but I can do a good amount of death combos in BBtag without much practice just by looking them up, and trying it a few times. Even Blazblue has death combos, but there is a barrier of entry to learn them, but I can't really say that for BBtag. I think some people hate that everyone has open excess to all the broken shit due to the skill ceiling not being so high like it would be in P4AU, BB, and GGxrd, or older GG titles. BBtag is boring for me personally, but to each there own.
It is nearly impossible to remove neutral from any fighting game even BBTAG as long as counter-play exists for supposed "neutral skips" neutral exists (we live in a post team scythe meta). I would argue that in a game like BBTAG neutral becomes even more important because losing neutral can lead to TODs, sandwich setups, and other horrible situations. Don't get hit, and don't lose neutral.
The neutral in this game is pretty unique in that it’s more of an obstacle course trying to Bob and weave through different characters massive threat ranges and beams and stuff where one hit can lead to 50% - 100% of your health bar. It’s honestly great tho lol
Don't believe this man's hairline. He's intentionally showing you footage of the game before 2.00, which is before certain characters got nerfed, and before the overall HP values for all characters got raised. The truth is that, like BBCF, BBTAG has a lot of neutral play, and if you want to really get into the game competitively you'll eventually have to learn how to play diet Carl - negative edge and all. To anyone genuinely curious about how BBTAG is typically played, it's not a TOD mix fiesta like many would have you believe. Go watch some footage of the game via keeponrocking and decide for yourself. I personally recommend watching Yoshino Aoi's YT streams ( 芳乃あおい) for BBTAG footage. She's as cute as a button, streams offline weeklies for the game, and has a hairline you can believe in.
Its not a TOD mix fiesta? I played this game last week... its still the same. Ez burst punishes lead into two touches even if TOD's are a liiiittle more difficult. The mixes are still 50/50 near unreactable. The desparity between top and low tier is still rediculous. Reject whiff punish, Reject whiff punish, reject whiff punish.
The characters still do all the things they are suppose to do, even if it's simplified. Rachel has her wind mechanic, Hakumen has special to special cancels, Yukiko can build stacks, the UNI characters can reverse beat. BBTag is definitely a Blazblue game. It's funny how the people that were called "Blazbabies" in 2009 are saying the same things about BBTag over 10 years later. You would think we would realize fighting game players should support each other by now.
I really love BBTAG as it’s just fun crazy game like a MvC (and I’m also a big Ruby fan) but having recently tried out an actual an Blazblue game I certainly see where you are coming from lol. Both great games but VERY different
I think BBTAG is actually one of the greatest if not the best BLAZBLUE. BBTAG is just so much fun, I am okay with it not being a real Blazblue game, I would compare it to MvC2 in terms of hype gameplay.
I think BBTAG is actually one of the greatest if not the best BLAZBLUE. BBTAG is just so much fun, I am okay with it not being a real Blazblue game, I would compare it to MvC2 in terms of hype gameplay.
If only this game was called Cross tag battle so people would have given it an actual chance instead of ripping on it cause it was a Blazblue game that didn't play like blazblue. The idea for the game is exactly what we need in a FGC that has so many fighting games. One that captures all of them in 1. Being a tag game immediately allows players to express themselves with their cool team with questionable synergy. The only flaw is the fact that each of the games in the title play completely different so they had to change the game to be 2 button "technically 4" An people who complain saying the game is all auto combos didn't actually play the game or give it any effort. Half of the combos you can do in the characters respective games are in each character you just have to figure out how to do it on a different lay out. I got through most of this game by copying what I would do in other games an luckily the combos still worked to an extent. The game is fun af and simple. With all the Fgs now a days being so serious and combos being so taxing to do mid match having bbtag as a 2nd or 3rd game to play an not really stress over is really fun.
what makes tag not be a BB game, but strive a GG game (real question): i know they removed RC's and crush trigger and the drive button for assists and barrier block for the BB equivalent of advanced guard in UMvC3 and overdrive for resonance blaze and hibiki for seth [this is kinda ok] wow thats a long list, strive kept all the important stuff [and Chipp] i guess my question should be "are these changes enough to make it lose its identity?" ps: I do like all the guilty gears and the blazblue's I've played [even though I do prefer BBCF and Strive but that's just preference].
You could say Strive Lost quite a bit more like Burst supers, blitz, Dead angle, Gatlings (although they might add some of it in the future seing how they gave more Air gatling options) Airdash in Strive is super slow and air backdash is barely a thing, and characters having just way less moves in general. I personally don't feel like strive plays like a GG game at all but it doesn't mean it's a bad game its pretty fun Just like BBTAG is a fun game even if it doesn't play like BBCF at all
@@krizzz7940 the thing about Gatlings is, if they were to make the Gatlings free like in previous GG it won't work well unless they change the properties of alot of normals, There's a video of a mod showcase for strive with full Gatlings on UA-cam, it doesn't add anything substantial to the gameplay because of how the normals were designed in this game (ie alot of blowback on hit). But if some properties of normals were tweaked in this game it's gonna be wild.
@@millerwrightt Yea fair, but was just listening stuff from the top of my head, you also have Metered specials and more reliable justblock timing, and 25% tension options in general, Strive is also way more grounded compared to the other titles
What do you mean it's not a Blazblue game? It's got my favorite anime character, Blazblue, right on the cover! You know, the guy with the white hair and red coat? I wrote a fanfic about him just the other day! [TRIGGER WARNING: The following fanfic contains depictions of no walking, no neutral, and Gordeau] In all seriousness I have played BBTAG and it's the perfect game for panicked button mashers.
4:29 what are you talking about? That's exactly how BBCF plays too :') *please send help I'm Lv. 1 and can't escape from all the Mai players, I've been corner combo'd for at least 3 hours straight*
Idk, I kinda disagree with BBTAG not having neutral. I mean, you might as well say Marvel 2 doesn't have neutral considering you can get locked within infinites the same way. I will say BBTAG did UNIB really dirty though. I enjoyed UNIB way more once I actually played it. Had BBTAG had more BlazBlue characters, better support than just BBTAG 2.0, it might have been a better game. (That and fix the damn character select lol)
I didn’t play any of the Undernight characters in tag except Waldstein. BBTAG did get me interested in picking it up though so I have to at least give it that. Favorite theme for me is Unseen Entities. Decided to learn the game with Linne. I liked her movement and her buttons. I only played for a little bit, but enjoyed the time I spent.
Have you actually played mvc2? There are no true infinites. You get knocked out of them after 42 hits. A full cycle of mags infinite deals less than half of what his 5 hit fierce combo deals. Don't compare your shitty tag game to mvc2.
CrossTag feels like they wanted to make a game like DBFZ with a bunch of sprites and resources they already had, even the lobby system is eerily similar.
The correct answer is actually Continuum Shift because it has Help Me Professor Kokonoe. CF may have more characters, rollback netcode and better gameplay but it is missing the one essential component of a good BlazBlue game.
I love BBTAG as it was my true gateway to the fgc through rwby. I understand why blazblue fans treat it as if it isn’t a true “Blazblue” game, but I still find it a ton of fun
I gotta say, I agree with Jiyuna, I played BB from the first version and when I played my friends copy of BBCTB, I was absolutely underwhelmed when jt barely played like BB with the auto combos and saw how insane the damage was. 💔 I like to watch the BBCTB tourneys, but as for play and overall game feel, I can't do it. But to those that like it. CHEERS! *DiCaprio toast*.
I remember buying BBCTB on opening day then going back to the game store to return it the SAME DAY! They asked what was wrong with the game? I told them "This is nothing like Blazblue".
Did you forget about BBCF 2.0 update that came out around August of 2017? Jubei was that last new character for the roster and huge balance changes for the game. It's more like almost 5 years without an update.
Funny how people keep talking about toads and BB tag except that I've seen that exact same clip like 400 times because it's only happened once in tournament
I imagine it's got Blazblue in the title because most of the roster comes from Blazblue (just under half the roster). In other words, Arcsys CTB as a title would be a lie. Also worth consideration, if we go by your chart, Guilty Gear, Street Fighter, Tekken, and Fantasy Strike are all Blazblue games. Just sayin'
It’s called blazblue cross tag battle because the blazblue characters have the most story prevalence. The story ost is blazblue, the Blazblue cast has the most characters, the main threat of the story mode comes from the blazblue world ( both of them) the battle system is pretty much blazblue only a LOT less complicated ( I personally think that anyone who doesn’t like that can blame RWBY for that) plus ASTRAL FINISHES. Also persona 4 cross tag battle, under night cross tag battle and RWBY cross tag battle don’t sound as good.
I had alot of fun with Bbtag but because of how drastically different it was from BB, there was a large part of the cast I just couldnt use, the BB cast. Because my muscle memory conflicted with the way certain characters played, it made it hard to go back and forth between CF and Tag since Hakumen, Naoto, and Hazama all play drastically different between both games, and i’d have to unlearn and relearn different routes for each game which was pretty rough.
Again, I ask that you try out Tao trials. I'm sure you remember me asking the first time but I want to be sure it's fresh on your mind. She's very fun to play imo and i'd like to see how you try playing her.
I remember being so hype for Cross Tag and wanted it for my birthday, my hype did not last past the first DLC. Not to say the game sucks, it just feels weirdly hollow for a reason I truly cannot pinpoint.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI I wrote the neutral comment because of the push block feature, being like umvc. Central fiction when certain characters do anything you can't play anymore, Arakune, Carl, Rachel, Izanami, Jin.
@@raphu2272 I know right, you yourself are factually wrong and uneducated. I wonder how many tournaments have you participated in? You're looking a top 3 placer time and time again with tons of video evidence to prove how "uneducated" I am I'm blazblue. I'm a literal 09 Rachel every game tournament level main, who funded the game so you could have a shitty opinion. Please see yourself out.
BBCentralFiction is a fun game, but I will never be able to get past the abscence of english dub. That was what made me originally try BBchronophantasma, my first fighting game.😞
Honestly, Cross Tag getting Rollback on PS4 has me interested in it again. Plus, it was good to have it get English audio after BBCF took it away (and yes, I know the meme example, she's really not all that bad). I just wish we could've gotten more DLC since imagine Arakune/Byakuya/Carl/Ken/Izanami in the game. I'm stuck playing the honest team of Mitsuru/Adachi, lol.
@@Drprophetius Yeah. BBCF is currently listed as PC Only (some say it might be due to issues stemming from CF having PS3-PS4 crossplay, and them not wanting to go back to integrate it with the PS3 version too), while BBTAG is listed to have PS4 rollback as well.
@@SpanishFly120 Arakune would lose his Curse mechanic that's the whole character they have to rework him Izanami can work but her armor needs nerfs Carl and Relius are a hard no, ain't no hell in way they can get the puppeteer to work their puppets with a tag character And Bang not being in is a crime
for real tho, bbtag actually made me a better player in general. despite the 2 buttons gameplay, the game made me not to mash in combos and do cleaner inputs
If there's one thing in this video I will agree with, it's that "BBTAG" containing the "Blazblue" namesake was indeed a mistake. Cause yeah, it isn't a "Blazblue" game, but not for any of those troll-ish reasons either. "BB" might have the most representation in it with the overall aesthetic being primarily based on "BB", sure, but you know what it also has? "Under Night", "Persona", "RWBY", and latter "Arcana Heart", "Akatsuki Blitzkampf", and (grumble) "Senran Kagura". It's an amalgamation of all of those series but the sheer fact that "Blazblue" is in the name ended up misrepresenting the game and hurting it instead. And no, calling it "ArcSys Cross Tag Battle" or whatever wouldn't have been right either since they don't even own the rights to most of the series included. But non-ArcSys fighting game devs getting no respect is the norm with the FGC so that's not surprising. Anyway, just calling it "Cross Tag Battle" would have been enough. Also, I can't help but feel the begrudgement "BB" players have towards "BBTAG" is somewhat misplaced. Even aside from the name fiasco, does no one else recall how "CF2.0" and Jubei were literally announced back-to-back leading into "BBTAG"? "BB" players act like "BBTAG" caused "CF" to get nothing when both were there alongside each other. At most, "CF" getting replaced with "BBTAG" in some locals is understandable for outrage but...that's nothing new. A new game replacing an older game from the same developer? What a shocker. But it is what it is. "BBTAG" is disliked and treated like a joke while ArcSys most or less just left it out to die at some point. It sucks.
I love BBTag. Last summer, it was kinda what got me truly interested in the FGC. I now have played a lot more fighting games. It's also one of the few fighting games my friends will play with me. The game is extremely fun but after playing other games, there's a lot I don't like now. Like ever character having a dp, that gets me the most.
I played cross tag when I only played a little blazblue and nothing else it was fun it's still fun now that I played most of the games there but it's so weird going from something like undernight wald to cross tag wald it really is completely different
There's definitely a bias in how you're presenting your point, but that's understandable and your point is 100% correct. BBTAG isn't a blazblue game, it's a tag game that is easy to get into and tricky to fully grasp when you're going for the cross combos stuff. The closest thing BBTAG has to blazblue is balance around option selects that the developer intended for.
Man... That's exactly how it went down and it was so upsetting. I was pretty excited for BBTag especially because my boi Jubei made it in. Played it.. and.... yeeesh
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Just poking fun at the discourse :) I bet you do enjoy them and I see what you’re getting at here. They are definitely in their own lane
Are you serious? That's the reason why BB players hate on Glorious Tag-- that's so petty. Street Fighter vs X-men/ Marvel Super Heroes isn't a Street Fighter game, but no one was whining about the glorious tag. You boomers need to grow up, or change your diapers.
That's probably because SF vs Marvel wound up enhancing the SF cast rather than dumbing them the heck down like BBTAG did to everyone, especially the BB characters. SF vs. Marvel was good enough to become its own thing and give us the vs. Capcom series, most notably Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and 3 Ultimate. Also there was no DLC BS.
@@espurrseyes42 yeah, "enhanced". Slowest Ryu, no textbook combo Ken, Zangeif loses SPD range, etc. One can argue the cast in SF was so far taken out of their element that they no longer felt like the same characters. Much like to the tune of BB boomers.
If they called it Rwby crosstag battle. Noone would have bought it. Fgc kinda hates rwby in general. As a BB fan. I agree its not a BB game. But it needs the name otherwise it would have died on release. However if CF added rwby characters to CF id love to see how they play.
i played the bbtag demo on switch along time ago, saw anime and downloaded it, didn't know how to get into a game (never played a fighting game at the time) deleted it and never played a fighting game until dbfz in like 2019
No neutral? No walking? Tods at round start? Fuck yeah that's my game I'm buying 4 of them
it's genuinely a wonderful game. it's something you can hop in with friends and play with no in between and explaining way too much stuff. the skill ceiling is also really high
If you look past it not being a blazblue game. Its such a kusoge and its fun as hell
No neutral? No walking? Tods at round start? Fuck yeah , game of years , don't forget that fancy TANK！
ＩＳ Ａ ＴＡＮＫ！ＢＵＴ ＰＬＡＹＡＢＬＥ！
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So akastuki blizkamp is where the tank originated AND was playable
Just play jew puncher that's where blitztank comes from and is also a good game unlike BBCBT
I would walk you through all the reasons you're wrong, unfortunately as a Ruby and Friends player I am physically unable to.
Just give me a quick rundown then
Wow! Is this THE Retromonkeysage?!
I will defend BBTAG to death because it was my gateway into this genre.
I played UNI, CF, GGST, hell even Skullgirls thanks to tag introducing me to the FGC, and I still have more fun with this game than any other fighting game with my friends.
I also absolutely agree that it's not a blazblue game.
Same here, gotta thank this game for serving as a careful guide to other fighters.
It sold well and got a lot of people into FGC. And a lot of BBTAG players are winning in Strive now.
Dead set. BBTAG is the best noob game, it puts other games to shame with its learning curve. Autocombos in Melty, stylish mode, none of it compares to the way bbtag incites a noob to gradually build their skillset.
@@jamieeccleston2988 I agree with this 100 percent. I never really understood how most fighters worked until I played bbtag. The fact it's so streamlined makes Learning new stuff so much easier. Especially since most of their auto combos give you a general idea how the character is actually used if you do a tiny bit of digging.
It's a really good game to just play on and off. Kind of like going to Mcdonalds
I like BB Cross tag but not the original blazblue to be honest. The tag system and the roster is what got my attention.
You know, as crazy as bbtag is this game was the one anime game that made me learn how to actually block. Going back to other games and the mixups feel super weak compared to have a persona launching a full screen laser, the dude trying to crossup while summoning his partner and other stuff like that. Also it has my one and only waifu Yumi so it is a 11/10 game for me
Blocking is for cowards
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI exactly this is why i play grapplers
Yumi stans. Ugh she ruined the game. Free corner carry and a projectile that freezes full screen for free combos. Wack character
i paid money for those buttons
@@defianthound407 But tiddy though
My only take away from this video is that I should consider buying a jean jacket
LMAO Jiyuna was rockin it fr
BBTag deserves respect from the fgc. It's easy to pick up, has depth, and will teach you to block. Just have fun
Yep
BBTAG is one of the few modern fighters that sufficiently allows for player expression. The cross combo system with multiple assists is the best tag mechanic. The majority of players failed to reach a level where they were at least competent at using it, so that's why everyone calls the game a beginner friendly fighter. The reality is that this game is the dirtiest thing since mvc3 and I hope people will realize how fun it is when rollback comes out.
Okay, "dirtiest thing since mvc3" single-handedly sold me the game.
Agreed. High-level BBTAG is different.
There was also the DLC nonsense with half the roster being locked behind a paywall, Blake and Yang not being in the base game, and some of those paywall characters being in the base game, albeit in an incomplete state, as opponents in the story mode or just sitting in the game's files.
I remember that's because ArcSys pushed the game to be released for EVO during that time for the game to be played there.
I have to go with The BBTag because it's getting rollback on console. Not sure why they didn't bring it to CFs console version. Super bummer
On PC its still in beta maybe they put it in after the beta ends
Has to do with cross play and shit from the ps3-ps4 versions of the game from what I’ve delved from it all
Its coming to console later. PC version is a beta.
@@xxcagedriotxx it's coming to the BBTag, not CF. They said so in the original article
@@kamiha4468 wouldnt that also apply to bbtag? It’s playable on ps5 also. Unless bbtag rollback is only for PS4. If so that sucks cuz I traded my PS4 in when I got my ps5.
"No neutral and you die in one hit". How can you simultaneously dislike this about crosstag but love P4AU 😅
Death combos in BBtag are way easier than any death combo you can do in P4AU. Getting hit with a Shadow Yukari death combo is crazy and not easy to do, but I can do a good amount of death combos in BBtag without much practice just by looking them up, and trying it a few times. Even Blazblue has death combos, but there is a barrier of entry to learn them, but I can't really say that for BBtag. I think some people hate that everyone has open excess to all the broken shit due to the skill ceiling not being so high like it would be in P4AU, BB, and GGxrd, or older GG titles. BBtag is boring for me personally, but to each there own.
It is nearly impossible to remove neutral from any fighting game even BBTAG as long as counter-play exists for supposed "neutral skips" neutral exists (we live in a post team scythe meta). I would argue that in a game like BBTAG neutral becomes even more important because losing neutral can lead to TODs, sandwich setups, and other horrible situations. Don't get hit, and don't lose neutral.
The neutral in this game is pretty unique in that it’s more of an obstacle course trying to Bob and weave through different characters massive threat ranges and beams and stuff where one hit can lead to 50% - 100% of your health bar. It’s honestly great tho lol
"RWBY Cross Tag Battle"
*Only 5 characters, 3 of which are dlc*
No neutral? No walking? ToDs at round start?
You know me and the boys are gonna go gorrilla mode when our main game needs a break
Don't believe this man's hairline. He's intentionally showing you footage of the game before 2.00, which is before certain characters got nerfed, and before the overall HP values for all characters got raised. The truth is that, like BBCF, BBTAG has a lot of neutral play, and if you want to really get into the game competitively you'll eventually have to learn how to play diet Carl - negative edge and all. To anyone genuinely curious about how BBTAG is typically played, it's not a TOD mix fiesta like many would have you believe. Go watch some footage of the game via keeponrocking and decide for yourself.
I personally recommend watching Yoshino Aoi's YT streams ( 芳乃あおい) for BBTAG footage. She's as cute as a button, streams offline weeklies for the game, and has a hairline you can believe in.
LMFAOO THAT FIRST SENTENCE
Its not a TOD mix fiesta?
I played this game last week... its still the same. Ez burst punishes lead into two touches even if TOD's are a liiiittle more difficult. The mixes are still 50/50 near unreactable. The desparity between top and low tier is still rediculous. Reject whiff punish, Reject whiff punish, reject whiff punish.
@@kenamada5451 You forgot to capitalize the last "Reject" in your comment.
As expected of a VTuber fan
My favourite thing about BBTag was when I got knocked down because I wasn't prepared to react to an attack while I was comboing my opponent
YES! my game is getting recognized
The characters still do all the things they are suppose to do, even if it's simplified. Rachel has her wind mechanic, Hakumen has special to special cancels, Yukiko can build stacks, the UNI characters can reverse beat. BBTag is definitely a Blazblue game.
It's funny how the people that were called "Blazbabies" in 2009 are saying the same things about BBTag over 10 years later. You would think we would realize fighting game players should support each other by now.
Welcome to the FGC, where every community is segregated with many being outright ostracized.
It sucks.
Hakumen sucks in bbtag I’ll never give Bbtag credit after what they did to my boy 😭
I thought you were here to save the FGC and save anime fighting games Jiyuna, I can't believe you would kill da BBTAG like this.
Ruby and Friends CTB would've had the exact opposite effect on sales
You underestimate the RWBY community.
I really love BBTAG as it’s just fun crazy game like a MvC (and I’m also a big Ruby fan) but having recently tried out an actual an Blazblue game I certainly see where you are coming from lol. Both great games but VERY different
I dream of a day where RWBY has its own fighting game that has more than 2 buttons
"NBCF has low damage." cut to Hakumem TOD
are you blazblue bois tryng to throw hands again with us chibi bois.
I think BBTAG is actually one of the greatest if not the best BLAZBLUE. BBTAG is just so much fun, I am okay with it not being a real Blazblue game, I would compare it to MvC2 in terms of hype gameplay.
I think BBTAG is actually one of the greatest if not the best BLAZBLUE. BBTAG is just so much fun, I am okay with it not being a real Blazblue game, I would compare it to MvC2 in terms of hype gameplay.
@@raphu2272 We're not starting a chain, I REFUSE
When i saw aki/az pulled up i felt a shiver down my spine
It’s 2022 and people are still taking shots at BBTag smh.
If only this game was called Cross tag battle so people would have given it an actual chance instead of ripping on it cause it was a Blazblue game that didn't play like blazblue. The idea for the game is exactly what we need in a FGC that has so many fighting games. One that captures all of them in 1.
Being a tag game immediately allows players to express themselves with their cool team with questionable synergy. The only flaw is the fact that each of the games in the title play completely different so they had to change the game to be 2 button "technically 4"
An people who complain saying the game is all auto combos didn't actually play the game or give it any effort. Half of the combos you can do in the characters respective games are in each character you just have to figure out how to do it on a different lay out. I got through most of this game by copying what I would do in other games an luckily the combos still worked to an extent.
The game is fun af and simple. With all the Fgs now a days being so serious and combos being so taxing to do mid match having bbtag as a 2nd or 3rd game to play an not really stress over is really fun.
What are you talking about? Literally not a single new fighting game requirea difficult "taxing" combos
what makes tag not be a BB game, but strive a GG game (real question):
i know they removed RC's
and crush trigger
and the drive button for assists
and barrier block for the BB equivalent of advanced guard in UMvC3
and overdrive for resonance blaze
and hibiki for seth [this is kinda ok]
wow thats a long list, strive kept all the important stuff [and Chipp]
i guess my question should be "are these changes enough to make it lose its identity?"
ps: I do like all the guilty gears and the blazblue's I've played [even though I do prefer BBCF and Strive but that's just preference].
You could say Strive Lost quite a bit more like Burst supers, blitz, Dead angle, Gatlings (although they might add some of it in the future seing how they gave more Air gatling options) Airdash in Strive is super slow and air backdash is barely a thing, and characters having just way less moves in general. I personally don't feel like strive plays like a GG game at all but it doesn't mean it's a bad game its pretty fun Just like BBTAG is a fun game even if it doesn't play like BBCF at all
@@krizzz7940 the thing about Gatlings is, if they were to make the Gatlings free like in previous GG it won't work well unless they change the properties of alot of normals,
There's a video of a mod showcase for strive with full Gatlings on UA-cam, it doesn't add anything substantial to the gameplay because of how the normals were designed in this game (ie alot of blowback on hit).
But if some properties of normals were tweaked in this game it's gonna be wild.
@@krizzz7940 blitz and burst supers are only in Xrd. Hardly fair to call them a part of the series identity.
@@millerwrightt Yea fair, but was just listening stuff from the top of my head, you also have Metered specials and more reliable justblock timing, and 25% tension options in general, Strive is also way more grounded compared to the other titles
Real answer get both games.
but what about calamity trigger
08:20 BBCF has its fair share of oneshot combos too tho
Show me one off round start.
BB Tag is as much of a blazblue game as Persona 4 is a persona 4 arena game
What do you mean it's not a Blazblue game? It's got my favorite anime character, Blazblue, right on the cover! You know, the guy with the white hair and red coat? I wrote a fanfic about him just the other day!
[TRIGGER WARNING: The following fanfic contains depictions of no walking, no neutral, and Gordeau]
In all seriousness I have played BBTAG and it's the perfect game for panicked button mashers.
4:29 what are you talking about? That's exactly how BBCF plays too :')
*please send help I'm Lv. 1 and can't escape from all the Mai players, I've been corner combo'd for at least 3 hours straight*
Idk, I kinda disagree with BBTAG not having neutral. I mean, you might as well say Marvel 2 doesn't have neutral considering you can get locked within infinites the same way.
I will say BBTAG did UNIB really dirty though. I enjoyed UNIB way more once I actually played it. Had BBTAG had more BlazBlue characters, better support than just BBTAG 2.0, it might have been a better game. (That and fix the damn character select lol)
I didn’t play any of the Undernight characters in tag except Waldstein. BBTAG did get me interested in picking it up though so I have to at least give it that. Favorite theme for me is Unseen Entities. Decided to learn the game with Linne. I liked her movement and her buttons. I only played for a little bit, but enjoyed the time I spent.
Have you actually played mvc2? There are no true infinites. You get knocked out of them after 42 hits. A full cycle of mags infinite deals less than half of what his 5 hit fierce combo deals. Don't compare your shitty tag game to mvc2.
@@TRez5000 lol have you actually played bbtag?
Jiyuna you should have put BlazBlue Alternative Dark War up there along with the Overture and Motor Kombat examples lol
"Get cross tag"
Sure, I will. I needed another training mode simulator anyway.
BBTAG never gets old for me even though it gets a ton of hate. I'd love a new iteration on the mechanics or a sequel of some sort.
Old man yells at clouds
CrossTag feels like they wanted to make a game like DBFZ with a bunch of sprites and resources they already had, even the lobby system is eerily similar.
The correct answer is actually Continuum Shift because it has Help Me Professor Kokonoe. CF may have more characters, rollback netcode and better gameplay but it is missing the one essential component of a good BlazBlue game.
ArcSys should have released like a "rollback pack", with BBCF and that BBTAG version that comes with all characters, at a discounted price
Uuuh they actually did lol. Back when cf got rollback they did an ArcSys rollback pack with Strive and +R
I love BBTAG as it was my true gateway to the fgc through rwby. I understand why blazblue fans treat it as if it isn’t a true “Blazblue” game, but I still find it a ton of fun
That’s great! Lots of people enjoy it.
I gotta say, I agree with Jiyuna, I played BB from the first version and when I played my friends copy of BBCTB, I was absolutely underwhelmed when jt barely played like BB with the auto combos and saw how insane the damage was. 💔
I like to watch the BBCTB tourneys, but as for play and overall game feel, I can't do it. But to those that like it. CHEERS! *DiCaprio toast*.
BBtag is pure chaos and I wouldn't have it any other way. I can play as a f***ing tank. I'm happy :)
I remember buying BBCTB on opening day then going back to the game store to return it the SAME DAY! They asked what was wrong with the game? I told them "This is nothing like Blazblue".
>BBCTB or BBTAG
BBCT is the abbreviation for Calamity Trigger, the first BB game.
@@espurrseyes42 Corrected it, thanks.
as a Marvel vs capcom player, bbtag is the best chaotic game
It’s definitely a Marvel game
Did you forget about BBCF 2.0 update that came out around August of 2017? Jubei was that last new character for the roster and huge balance changes for the game. It's more like almost 5 years without an update.
A moment of silence for Console players who are crying after they knew that there is no rollback for console bbcf 🙂💔
Objection! If you play Hakumen or Tager, you can walk. 😀
Damn
"Ruby and Friends" sounds like something that would be made by Saigado, not Arcsys
Based Saigado
Funny how people keep talking about toads and BB tag except that I've seen that exact same clip like 400 times because it's only happened once in tournament
The title really is the cause of most of the stigma, thats crazy to me
I imagine it's got Blazblue in the title because most of the roster comes from Blazblue (just under half the roster). In other words, Arcsys CTB as a title would be a lie.
Also worth consideration, if we go by your chart, Guilty Gear, Street Fighter, Tekken, and Fantasy Strike are all Blazblue games. Just sayin'
It’s called blazblue cross tag battle because the blazblue characters have the most story prevalence. The story ost is blazblue, the Blazblue cast has the most characters, the main threat of the story mode comes from the blazblue world ( both of them) the battle system is pretty much blazblue only a LOT less complicated ( I personally think that anyone who doesn’t like that can blame RWBY for that) plus ASTRAL FINISHES. Also persona 4 cross tag battle, under night cross tag battle and RWBY cross tag battle don’t sound as good.
I had alot of fun with Bbtag but because of how drastically different it was from BB, there was a large part of the cast I just couldnt use, the BB cast. Because my muscle memory conflicted with the way certain characters played, it made it hard to go back and forth between CF and Tag since Hakumen, Naoto, and Hazama all play drastically different between both games, and i’d have to unlearn and relearn different routes for each game which was pretty rough.
Yeah, I played non-BB chars only.
I can relate to this in reverse, I couldn't play my BBTAG main in BBCF, they just felt wrong
ngl, the insane damage really kills bb tag for me
Again, I ask that you try out Tao trials. I'm sure you remember me asking the first time but I want to be sure it's fresh on your mind. She's very fun to play imo and i'd like to see how you try playing her.
I remember being so hype for Cross Tag and wanted it for my birthday, my hype did not last past the first DLC.
Not to say the game sucks, it just feels weirdly hollow for a reason I truly cannot pinpoint.
Still like it more than CF, I'll die on this hill.
That’s fine
BBTAG got me into fighting games but I ended up ditching it for CF
That's some self-care type vibes right there.
@@popcorn82b I can't bring myself to hate BBTAG but I hate what it's become
I prefer bbtag's Rachel over CF. Also bbtag has a lot more neutral than central fiction does.
🤔
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI I wrote the neutral comment because of the push block feature, being like umvc. Central fiction when certain characters do anything you can't play anymore, Arakune, Carl, Rachel, Izanami, Jin.
That's factually wrong and uneducated lol
@@raphu2272 I know right, you yourself are factually wrong and uneducated. I wonder how many tournaments have you participated in? You're looking a top 3 placer time and time again with tons of video evidence to prove how "uneducated" I am I'm blazblue. I'm a literal 09 Rachel every game tournament level main, who funded the game so you could have a shitty opinion. Please see yourself out.
“Ruby and Friends” killed me.
Remember Rwby is temporary, while Adachi is forever
Remember when BBTAG had a cool title font in the announcement trailer then changed to “we need more beginner friendly" font ? what's up with that?
BBCentralFiction is a fun game, but I will never be able to get past the abscence of english dub. That was what made me originally try BBchronophantasma, my first fighting game.😞
It's sad because the BB games up until CF had dubs.
Bbtag is so amazingly cursed
Honestly, Cross Tag getting Rollback on PS4 has me interested in it again. Plus, it was good to have it get English audio after BBCF took it away (and yes, I know the meme example, she's really not all that bad). I just wish we could've gotten more DLC since imagine Arakune/Byakuya/Carl/Ken/Izanami in the game. I'm stuck playing the honest team of Mitsuru/Adachi, lol.
On PS4? Are you sure? BBCF is at least currently PC only.
@@Drprophetius Yeah. BBCF is currently listed as PC Only (some say it might be due to issues stemming from CF having PS3-PS4 crossplay, and them not wanting to go back to integrate it with the PS3 version too), while BBTAG is listed to have PS4 rollback as well.
@@SpanishFly120 Arakune would lose his Curse mechanic that's the whole character they have to rework him Izanami can work but her armor needs nerfs Carl and Relius are a hard no, ain't no hell in way they can get the puppeteer to work their puppets with a tag character
And Bang not being in is a crime
Bbtag i most time in and can’t wait for rollback to arrive
You didn't mention that if you are a persona fan you should play cross tag as it is the only rollback Persona game. Or just buy both.
I will get rollback into P4U2...
I can't wait till they add my favorite blazblue character Ruby in the next bb installment
for real tho, bbtag actually made me a better player in general. despite the 2 buttons gameplay, the game made me not to mash in combos and do cleaner inputs
If there's one thing in this video I will agree with, it's that "BBTAG" containing the "Blazblue" namesake was indeed a mistake.
Cause yeah, it isn't a "Blazblue" game, but not for any of those troll-ish reasons either. "BB" might have the most representation in it with the overall aesthetic being primarily based on "BB", sure, but you know what it also has? "Under Night", "Persona", "RWBY", and latter "Arcana Heart", "Akatsuki Blitzkampf", and (grumble) "Senran Kagura". It's an amalgamation of all of those series but the sheer fact that "Blazblue" is in the name ended up misrepresenting the game and hurting it instead.
And no, calling it "ArcSys Cross Tag Battle" or whatever wouldn't have been right either since they don't even own the rights to most of the series included. But non-ArcSys fighting game devs getting no respect is the norm with the FGC so that's not surprising. Anyway, just calling it "Cross Tag Battle" would have been enough.
Also, I can't help but feel the begrudgement "BB" players have towards "BBTAG" is somewhat misplaced. Even aside from the name fiasco, does no one else recall how "CF2.0" and Jubei were literally announced back-to-back leading into "BBTAG"? "BB" players act like "BBTAG" caused "CF" to get nothing when both were there alongside each other. At most, "CF" getting replaced with "BBTAG" in some locals is understandable for outrage but...that's nothing new. A new game replacing an older game from the same developer? What a shocker.
But it is what it is. "BBTAG" is disliked and treated like a joke while ArcSys most or less just left it out to die at some point. It sucks.
Ah yes, the most fun and full of BS game ever.... My favorite BB game :^]
BBCF still in Beta? I’m lazy to fix settings.
Yes.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Man.
I love BBTag. Last summer, it was kinda what got me truly interested in the FGC. I now have played a lot more fighting games. It's also one of the few fighting games my friends will play with me. The game is extremely fun but after playing other games, there's a lot I don't like now. Like ever character having a dp, that gets me the most.
Persona has the same system.
Whenever I hear people call two button dps on every character a blazblue thing I die a little inside.
Way I say it to friends it's like
Street fighter vs tekken
Or
Marvel vs capcom
that’s wild i didn’t even realize that bbtag got rollback. thought it was only cf lmao.
It's not out yet so the news hasn't really blown up yet.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI i guess that’s probably the big reason then, makes sense
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI damn, way to get mixed up after getting a hard knockdown lol
If BBTAG didn't have RWBY or Yumi in it, I'd accept all of its flaws.
I'll never forget when BB series got rollback announcement cuz it happened on my bday. I was so happy cuz CTag is my fave 2D.
Who put these random anime characters in my blazblue game
Crosstag is more fun.
BBCF is more hardcore..
But if they call it that then all the Guilty Gear players will be mad because they'll be no Guilty Gear characters in the game
I played cross tag when I only played a little blazblue and nothing else it was fun
it's still fun now that I played most of the games there but it's so weird going from something like undernight wald to cross tag wald it really is completely different
I have bought bbtag 2 times, and by the time I get a ps5 I'll buy it again, because I love this game and I'll defend it to death.
SavageDeviljho hit a button and got his whole life canceled in response
Shouldn't have gotten hit.
There's definitely a bias in how you're presenting your point, but that's understandable and your point is 100% correct.
BBTAG isn't a blazblue game, it's a tag game that is easy to get into and tricky to fully grasp when you're going for the cross combos stuff.
The closest thing BBTAG has to blazblue is balance around option selects that the developer intended for.
Man... That's exactly how it went down and it was so upsetting.
I was pretty excited for BBTag especially because my boi Jubei made it in.
Played it.. and.... yeeesh
Jiyuna probably hates X-Men vs Street Fighter and and MVC with his soul
I love those games. But you wouldn't call them Street Fighter titles.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI Just poking fun at the discourse :) I bet you do enjoy them and I see what you’re getting at here. They are definitely in their own lane
Are you serious? That's the reason why BB players hate on Glorious Tag-- that's so petty.
Street Fighter vs X-men/ Marvel Super Heroes isn't a Street Fighter game, but no one was whining about the glorious tag.
You boomers need to grow up, or change your diapers.
That's probably because SF vs Marvel wound up enhancing the SF cast rather than dumbing them the heck down like BBTAG did to everyone, especially the BB characters. SF vs. Marvel was good enough to become its own thing and give us the vs. Capcom series, most notably Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and 3 Ultimate. Also there was no DLC BS.
@@espurrseyes42 yeah, "enhanced". Slowest Ryu, no textbook combo Ken, Zangeif loses SPD range, etc.
One can argue the cast in SF was so far taken out of their element that they no longer felt like the same characters.
Much like to the tune of BB boomers.
If they called it Rwby crosstag battle. Noone would have bought it.
Fgc kinda hates rwby in general.
As a BB fan. I agree its not a BB game. But it needs the name otherwise it would have died on release.
However if CF added rwby characters to CF id love to see how they play.
BBTag's Tager seems like he's had osteoporosis for 90 years.
“Get BlazBlue Central Fiction”
But it’s not BlazBlue CPEX tho.
i agree Jiyuna how is Arc Sys gonna call this a Blazblue game & not even include the protagonist of Blazblue Arakune in the game!!
i played the bbtag demo on switch along time ago, saw anime and downloaded it, didn't know how to get into a game (never played a fighting game at the time) deleted it and never played a fighting game until dbfz in like 2019
BBTAG IS THE EVANGELION OF METAL GEAR SOLID OF ANIME OF ALL TIME
So true.
The power of rollback is the power to roll back in time and play a 7 year old game. XD
Jiyuna, you're my boy. But I'm hurt.
CF is cool but BBTAG is my jam. It's anime marvel and I'm ok with that