@@RoyHoy wow you’re delusional. The panels themselves are $500. The lenses are expensive. Add the tracking, optical cable, customized fit and it’s very easily $1000. It might be expensive for YOU but in terms of what it is that’s very reasonable to get top of the line HMD.
@@ericwheelhouse4371 $500 for the panels? Where did you get that information? Big Screen themselves? Now search up all the missing features taken out of this headset. People are going to spend a lot of money on accessories to turn it into a usable gaming headset. Or if you only plan on watching movies on it, it's still not worth $1,000. The Meta Quest Pro is honestly the better option for the same price. You have to be delusional to think otherwise. The Bigscreen Beyond headset is a step backwards in what us VR users want.
Someone just shared this video with me. I've seen brief snippets of this conversation on Twitter about the BFI and motion sickness but never been able to work out what the issue was. This was an informative video, thanks. Luckily for me, I guess I'm not as sensitive as some to the sickness. But even in an aesthetic level, the reprojection is a bit annoying for me. Looking forward to more 90hz games.
I've had the PSVR2 for a few weeks now and haven't experienced the nausea. Good to know about the projection issue though in case I have a guest that gets nauseous.
Amazing review, as usual! I don't really know of anyone else who goes into optical/display issues, which is surely very important for many people. And Patreon is actually shown this time!
@@SadlyItsBradley Hi Mr Bradley, Ibsee that you're wearing the BIGSCREEN. I've pree ordered mine and have paid for it already. If you can, what are you thinking of it; in the simplest way yiu can that won't get you in trouble😊
@@SadlyItsBradley Oh I got your hint once i watched till the end,, So I guess I'll just wait. I also preordered the crystal so this is going to be an expensive VR year for me.
So, how long ago did you last use the headset. I have found that after they updated the firmware on it, the reproduction is not an issue for me anymore. Before the updates, I could see a sort of double image while moving the headset. It's kind of like a ghosting and a blur effect that was only noticeable while moving. After the update, this is totally gone for me. The mura doesn't bother me as much as others, but I'm the guy that enjoys film grain in movies, so it kind of reminds me of that . I think it's a fair trade for oled blacks and a high dynamic range that only oled can provide in a headset. I don't like that they used fresnel lenses, but after some practice, dialing in the sweet spot is easy. Now I'm going to say something that does bother me and if you don't want it to bother you too stop reading now. Ok, if you look for it in sertan scenes you will notice a small purplish dot that is in the middle of the screen on each eye. It's almost like a reflection, but it's coming from within the headset. It's not super noticeable until you look for it, but once you see it you'll always see it, and it's like a splinter in my mind. Btw I don't get sick at all in this headset. everything feels rock solid and I'm a veteran vr user. I use a rift s on my PC.
I had actually been searching around to see if someone else had the purple dots on their lenses, for a moment I thought my headset had an issue but it appears it´s just how it is :/ I always see them with the merchant on RE VIII.
@@rodrigoruiz8146 It's nice to know others have noticed it too, I also thought I had a defective headset. I've just accepted they're there now and try to ignore it.
Shame that they went with a pintle sub pixel arrangement. I thought that was a really cool feature on the PSVR 1. It feels like there are some really stand out features like eye tracking, face haptics, and the controllers, but Sony kind of dropped the ball when it comes to the display and lenses. I'm sure it will be super popular like the PSVR 1 and a ton of people will really like it, but I think it's a harder sell this time around competing with stand alone headsets especially this early on.
@@LuisReyes-wx5hp I agree that it's a very nice headset (from what I can tell, I haven't actually used one), but I think it might not sell as well as the PSVR 1. Back then the PSVR 1 was a great budget option because it only required a PS4 and not an expensive PC and the whole kit was relatively cheap especially if you already owned a PS4. Now that we have standalone headsets with larger libraries than the current PSVR 2's at a cheaper price, a lot of normies won't care about how much better the performance or experience is. I agree the PSVR 2 is far superior in almost every way to something like a Quest 2, but $400 is a lot easier to swallow than $550 plus a PS5 especially right now with the limited library. I could be wrong. Also the hype around future headsets like the Quest 3 or if Pico ever decides to sell in America could get closer to the PSVR 2 experience.
Im a VR veteran and after playing the PSVR2 every night for about an hour, i've suddenly have been suffering with really bad headaches for about a week now. Pretty sure its the headset as i never got this with my Quest2. Im gutted as im really enjoying the content and loving RE8 Village, but have to stop playing now for a couple of weeks until the headaches go. 😔
Had this the first week coming from psvr1, used to 6h sessions with comfort settings off. Still ended up with splitting headaches at first. 2 or 3 things, I turned down the brightness to like 20% for a little over a week (It's a bright headset with the hdr). The headband ratchet system was also a little aggressive for the first couple of weeks so I found that I was ending up with too much pressure on my head. It's worn in now and is working much better. The last thing is if you have a small ipd then the lenses can push against your nose, changing headset position will remedy this. All in all I was a little disappointed at first but with some practice and some wear in time I'm finding it very comfortable now for extended sessions playing with full brightness and only turn it down when tired. Hope this helps.
This is probably related to the head strap. I would definitely give yourself some time away from the headset, but try seating it differently when you use it next. Too far down the back of my head gives me issues. Maybe someone is offering a top strap solution to add to the PSVR 2 that would be worth trying.
Very well done video. I could not agree more with everything in this video...which is sad to me. I bought a PS5 in November in preparation for PSvr2. After putting it on after all the marketing, hype, and previews on UA-cam, I was so disappointed. I tried to convince myself that it was better than I thought and to give it more time, but between the MURA and the fact that I found the Rift S significantly more comfortable, it just wasn't for me. For the first time in years I had to turn off smooth turning in Horizon. I wasn't getting completely nauseous, but I felt weird. The FOV is one of the things I was very happy with since it felt much larger than my Rift S. I went back and forth between the two with KayakVR and the difference was obvious. In the end, I just returned it as it didn't feel like it was worth the money to me due to the MURA and comfort. Turning down brightness did nothing for me in that regard. What's funny is that after a couple of decades of PC gaming, I'm actually enjoying the PS5. The controllers, the quick load times, the fun games, being able to plop on my couch, I'm actually taking a break from PC gaming because of it despite the loss of mods. I didn't expect that, but I love the PS5. It just works and they have significantly closed the gap between PC and console to the point where paying that much for the best graphics isn't worth it to me anymore. It makes little financial sense. As for VR, I continue waiting for something comfortable and affordable that I will upgrade to from my Rift S.
Did you buy from Sony directly? If so,do they accept returns on open/used headsets?? It's basically impossible to demo the PS VR2 unless you have a buddy who has one. I really want to try VR, I'm just not sure if the technology is there yet for me.
Great review! As a pc guy too, it's hard to see such good hardware with eye tracking and good haptics limited by the ecosystem. I want to make my own experiences with it. I would rent the ps5 + psvr2 if I could just for Horizon, can't go as far as doing what you did . I wish there would be more headsets like the beyond coming out, and integrated eye tracking
You don't even need to rent, you can buy a playstation vr2 from playstation direct and return it in 30 days and get a full refund. 30 days is plenty of time to beat horizon COTM
@@yaelm631 I'm sure best buy or some local tech store has playable demos. at one point, there was a demo for psvr 1, but I cant find them anymore. maybe malls have something for that?
im with u about the strap... PSVR2 facial interface is itchy for me sometime.. i feel wierd when something touching my face but sometime its not.. kinda tickles ...haha and the rear strap always looseing often.. makes everthing blurry..
Was Quest Pro display persistence sample recorded at min or max brightness? (Medium?) Does brightness affect it even? Sometimes I get a feeling like Quest Pro is giving me more headache (still not much) over longer sessions than Quest 2, and by this point I'm sure it's not the strap.
First time vr owner and i´m loving the psvr2. I don't have a high end pc neither. A 4090 in my country goes for 2400-2500usd so you tell me. Bad lauch games or weak? for who? For someone who owns a high end pc with a good vr headset? For someone with a decent or mild pc or weaker and a quest 2? for someone who haven't own a vr headset or dosen't have one? It's the launch line up bad for me? I have a lot of games to play and enjoying it a lot so far. Never had motion sickness one. I only tried vr a couple of years ago in a PC and a vr headset don't remember which headset was. It was a racing game but idk which one.
Maybe the best $550 I've ever spent. I've owned a Rift, a PS VR1, and an Odyssey+. Played a ton on the Quest 2 as well. No issues with nausea or sickness here and the screen on this thing blows my O+ away which was also OLED. The HDR is mind blowing, light sources feel genuinely incandescent. Great controllers and comfort levels too. Tracking has been the best I've ever experienced, even better than my Rift with base station tracking. But the biggest thing here is the games. Gran Turismo 7 and Resident Evil 8 are bonkers good. Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners is a huge improvement over even my gaming PC setup which had a Ryzen and a 2070. To get this quality of VR for $1,000 is mind-blowing. For entry level, you can't beat this thing and it punches way above its weight class, making setups that cost triple that amount often look lacking.
The screen is epic from my view, looks like your looking at a native 1080p screen, I can see a slight mura when there’s a grey background, I’ve looked for it but I can’t see any screendoor at all, I see the slight flicker when you spin the camera on 60fps repo to 120, but I didn’t get dizzy or anything, maybe stick to native 90fps 4K games like Pavlov or Saints
Ohhh shit. I haven't had any VR sickness issues with PSVR2, but one of the first things I noticed when using it was if I lock my eyes on a post or something, then move my head around with my eyes fix or strafe the character there was there weird blur. I am guessing that is what I was seeing. I noticed it right away but didn't know why. Also, as a VR veteran I actually just turn my body always in VR, no smooth or snap. Sucks with PSVR2 cause of cord, but I can't go back after wireless, so I still turn body. I am surprised more people or games don't push the idea of just turning your body and never the sticks. So much more natural to me.
The reprojection, and black frame persistance issues... Are these things that could be fully fixed with software / firmware updates? It seems like they are??
Good to hear your insights. For me, the headset is good enough to keep, although it's really uncomfortable and the small sweet spot is maddening. It would be interesting to also hear your thoughts about what the existence of PS VR is doing for the state of VR software as a whole. I.e.: will it push things forward or hold them back? One for a future video, maybe?
How do you find it to be uncomfortable? It's surprising to me because the PSVR2 is the most comfortable headset I've used. I guess it depends on head shape.
I fear its not much of an impact. Its just a pricey accessory for a PS5/PSVR1 user (which some might upgrade), but too expensive for a no-VR-user (need both PS5/PSVR2). I fear the userbase for PSVR2 will not get too big.
@@ManlyOBeeferton It definitely depends on head shape. PS VR was the most comfortable headset I've used. The changes they made for PS VR2 were a downgrade in the comfort department for me. For other people, it's perfect.
@@izzard Have you heard of the Globular Cluster mod? I don't have it myself, but people who had the same issues as you claim it's a game-changer. It drastically improves comfort and helps maintain the sweet spot.
Agree with you on all of this. I love the PSVR2 and I don't really get sick when using it, but the flaws you mentioned are all true. Just dragging that brightness slider while turning side to side makes the smudgy ghosting so unbelievably obvious. It's like playing Half Life 1 on my 90s laptop all over again... Lateral head movement in game also looks jittery at times. I'd probably say that this headset puts me closer to my discomfort limit than Quest 2 native, but not as bad as pcvr over airlink or VD, but for different reasons. The latency of wireless PCVR feels about as bad as the ghosting on PSVR2 to me (very latency sensitive guy). But.... I love it. As long as games keep coming out, this will probably remain my main headset for years. Q3 would have to bring some amazing exclusives for me to care about upgrading from my Q2... Or those MR apps have to be mighty convincing. I'd still recommend to anyone to buy the PSVR2. It really is an awesome VR headset. Especially if you already have a PS5, or you like Gran Turismo.. It's a no brainer.
I've been playing village and turismo since launch. Last night I botted up alyx to compare. I have elite strap with battery. I actually could not believe how much more comfy it was BUT the clarity and sweetspot on quest 2 now felt ENOURMOUS compared to psvr 2. Bummed me out a bit. The screens on quest just felt so much easier on my eyes or something. Plus, when I moved around (usually what you do in vr) I didn't have to keep readjusting to find the sweetspot again. All in all just made me realize as much as it pains me, and basically like EVERY headset, psvr 2 takes 3 steps forward and 3 back.
I honestly don't notice a difference between wireless PCVR and using a link cable with my Quest 2. You probably already know this, but Virtual Desktop, and a good 5G wifi router is a must.
@@wjveryzer7985 Agree with you on this. The sweet spot is tiny enough that it makes games where I move around a lot cumbersome, I have to readjust a LOT. I'm hoping this will be solved with some more straps to pin it down on my head. Maybe balancing it out with some weight.. And more back padding. I have the halo strap for my Q2 as well, it's great. The Q2 is too front heavy, but somehow I get less neck strain from it than the PSVR2. I still prefer the PSVR2 though.. And I think I'm going to get better at wearing it right as I use it more. I would drop it like a turd and get a pancake lens version in a second though.
@@blastofo I'm just sensitive to the latency. I have a really good ASUS router with wifi 6 and all that good stuff. It's as good as it can get, it's just still very noticeable to me.. Irritating. I can play flight sims and other stuff where motion isn't rapid. But most other things just wreck me.
hey Bradley, did you didn’t try all the PSVR2 games that use native 90 fps ? For example TWDSS Retribution ?? I noticed the reprojection on Horizon, GT7 and Resi8 it does not bother me. And btw. there are some using native 120 fps, too 😊 The only thing I can’t figure out is mura, for me it’s 90% of the time did’t visible , just in darker enviroments . Still not sure if this is a psychologic or hardwae think. I made a opinion poll with the result that 60% didn’t notice it … 80% didn’t feel bothered from.
Thanks for your review of the PSVR2. I have the Quest 2 and a PS5 so I upgraded my VR experience with the new headset. I think you are "on" to something regarding nausea with the PSVR2, especially for those who are used to being in VR previously. I played Horizon and other games, but not until I got part way into Resident Evil Village VR did I suddenly start getting sick. It could have been the smooth turning or possibly the optical issue you describe. I will turn down the brightness of the PSVR2 to see if that helps.
Brad, the constant tease and distraction of the Beyond sitting on your forehead was killing me in this. lol The resolution, RGB stripe uOLED displays, and pancake lenses seem like they could be great, but the quality and comfort of the optional audio strap, the lower FOV, the lower refresh rate, and the complete lack of eye tracking to even make dynamic foveated rendering possible are concerns.
I've owned the Q2 and Reverb G2 and love the PSVR 2er the best. The amazing OLD and HDR screen plus ease of use. Just put it on and play beats the disadvanatges. RE8 in VR is the best experience I've ever had.
As somone who purchased PSVR2 for Gran Turismo 7 (and loving it btw) coming from HTC Vive / Rift CV1 on pc, what headset would you recommend in 2023 for PCVR? Quest3 might just be that for me. Also, Do you have any idea about AMD RDNA 3 VR issues? Switched from my 2080 to a 7900 XTX and nothing but problems in VR. Terrible performance and terrible frame times, dropped frames in oculus etc. One of the major reasons i bought psvr2 as well.
It all depends so much on your budget and wired vs wireless preference. To be honest I always had problems with Quest 2 with using it with PC and I have 3070. Oculus have terrible software even in comparison to Pico that at least has settings in default app. I used oculus through wire, no wireless - didn't want to pay them for VD cause was going to sell it anyway and switch to something without facebook. I went with Pico 4 through wifi 6, virtual desktop, Asus gaming wifi router and it appears for me to be a perfect setup, I only want to update card to 4080. But even with 3070 it's a very smooth experience almost without lag, but you really need a good router. I really don't want to change it even to wired Pimax or something else and in 2024 WiFi 7 comes to our lives that is much more suitable for VR. If you want maximum clarity and the best picture through wire and have unlimited amount of money I think most of the people will recommend you Pimax Crystal.
Nvidia rocks for VR, but didn't know AMD was that bad. I can play HL Alyx with my Pico 4 wireless (VD) with constant 90 fps on high ultra. But today I've ordered a 4080 to replace my 3080 because I also ordered a 8KX and this beast needs juice for sim racing. Try Userbenchmark because maybe you have a bottleneck in your system. I accidentally put the 2nd RAM in the wrong slot and huge difference. Also overclock your memory at least slightly.
Hi Brad, I got psvr2 at launch and am very happy with it. I have not experienced pcvr or quest but had psvr1 before. The headset is not perfect and I never expected it to be. I don't even see the mura unless I look for it and despite it's flaws I am enjoying playing games on it a lot. I've been keeping up with pcvr on your channel and Thrill's and keeping a very open mind about sometime in the future building a gaming pc. 😁
I came from psvr 1 and went pcvr 4 yrs ago. I highly recommend you get into pcvr. I always said get both back then. This time around I decided to not get a psvr 2 because Id rather get the new Deckard or pimax crystal or 12k. You have to try it..and its good that you're not close minded. I was kinda a Sony fanboy and wish I wasn't like that back then because it made me blind to what was truly out there. Dont get me wrong..psvr 2 is a good headset..just not for me
I have a similar issue on Pico 4, though not as bad. I use my theater room, which on one wall has just a giant white screen (obviously). It is also where I tend to position myself when starting... I realized that tracking wasn't great, so I ended up when I play, hanging up big blankets with patterns, so that the cameras have something to hang on to.
I would say at the end of the day it doesn’t matter how good/bad VR headset is. I’ve had a quest 2 Pcvr and the biggest problem is the lack of good/quality games. I would buy a 600 dollar Quest 1 if it meant I can play fun AAA games in VR.
@@lada8744 I’m talking about PCVR, screw stand-alone shovelware garbage games. I’m saying I would play on a worse headset if it meant I can play better games.
I had no issues with motion sickness with my PSVR2 - at first. In fact, I enjoyed it so much I played it for hours at a time! But, for some reason, I got motion sickness and hour or so into RE8. Well, it could be "overuse" and not taking a break or something Bradly pointed out in his excellent review.
I've never had motion sickness. Started serious VR in 2017, thousands of hours of VR. Played hours on PSVR2 with no motion sickness. Play VR almost every day. I play with smooth locomotion and smooth turning.
So I’ve been a PSVR2 user since day 1 and I’ve only ever used the original Quest and the original PSVR for context. Anytime I ever used smooth turn it immediately made me sick. So I’ve always used snap turn thinking that’s the normal. But this guys review makes me think that when you get to the big headsets like the Valve or Pimax people are by default using smooth turn. Is this true? I’ve never used a PCVR headset (just don’t have the money) but I fucking love VR! And so far the PSVR 2 has been amazing and I haven’t ever really felt sick. But again I’m using snap turning because I though that was what everyone uses since smooth turning immediately makes me sick no matter what headset I try. If this is true then I can’t imagine how amazing high end PCVR headsets are where people actually do smooth turning and don’t get sick. I hope one day to get a nice PCVR set up. But for now though, the PSVR2 has been really good to me. No Man’s Sky is such an amazing experience on the PSVR2! The price is a little ridiculous but if you already own a PS5 and love VR I recommend getting a PSVR2. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has never used PCVR sadly :( Btw I just wanted to add I thought this was a really nice and honest review.
I have always used smooth turning on PS VR1 and PS VR2. That is the first thing I do when loading any game, I look for the smooth turning options and turn off any and all comfort settings.
Most of the major problems everyone is having can be fixed over a bit of time with software updates or in the case of the headstrap and physical problems can be solved by 3rd party products as is what happened with the quest 2
Great review as always Bradley. And since you already have a PS5 now, I recommend playing some of the console's exclusive flat-screen games in your free time (I know you probably don't care for flat-screen games at this point 😅) but the PS exclusives are actually so impressive and well written.
WOW!!!!!! Man you nailed this review and the concern aspects of PSVR2 on the head. Thank you, thank you, I thought i was going crazy and had the unit replaced only to find the issue persisted. Red aura around text, massive projection (blurry) and mura effect.... what a waist of my precious income, again sony has tricked the public and deliver a nausea unit. You are truly amazing and i cant wait for more updates on this unit hopefully when sony fixes there crap
I think the nausea issue is happening to a small subset of people as it seems most people are not having this issue. I am not saying that it is not an issue for some people but it doesn't seem like it as as common as Brad and you make it sound. I have also never seen red aura around text and it took me a long time to see to find any Mura effect and I think it is very minimal even when I can find it. The only time I have any blurry issues is when the headset is worn like other headsets and not the way it should be worn. With the PS VR2 the halo needs to be pulled down much further in the back than other headsets. This may be why Brad states that experienced VR gamers have issues, they are trying to wear this like other headsets and that is not the correct way to wear the headset.
I've spent like 40 hours playing RE 8 and GT 7 in it so far and haven't experienced any nausea on full brightness. And I don't really notice the mura anymore. It's not that bad.
Yeah I hoped he might mention the "getting used to it effect". When I first got an Index in 2020 I was angry for about a week about how bad the glare was, it's genuinely bad. Then I got used to it, and now I don't notice it at all. Every new VR headset from the DK1 until now seems to have had a couple of things that really annoyed people. I think it's quite possible that for a lot of people these issues aren't deal breakers, especially once they've been using the headset for a few weeks. Though - 1200 euros for a walled garden system that appears to have some unfortunate drawbacks is stopping me buying it currently, which is a shame.
@@mitcherny6965 actually the basement level of the doll house in RE 8 was the scariest horror game I’ve ever played. It’s so good in VR. 10x better than flatscreen. They really need to port Alien Isolation to PSVR 2. I would buy it again.
The one thing I like is the software is the exact opposite of PCVR jank. GT7 has this customized polished feel that after hours of tinkering with PCVR, I cannot get with AC or Iracing. Sure GT7 lacks some sim elements, but the pedigree of having a AAA developer completely customize the experience from the ground up is such a reverse from what I'm used to with PCVR. More of this please. I hear Ace Combat is coming too. RE8 is much the same, on PC we get a lot of jank here, much of this is because its a mod(more on that). Walking Dead actually looks and plays better on PSVR2 than PC in all areas, even visually against my 4090. The other thing is we're pretty much down to mods with PCVR at this point. In 2020, the future looked bright for AAA games, and that has fizzled out on PCVR. It's basically a mod community now.
Walking Dead actually looks and plays better on PSVR2 than PC in all areas, even visually against my 4090. - That is not true. The visuals are cut back slightly on PSVR2 in terms of shadows and ambient occlusion / volumetric effects and you can easily run SS at 200%.or more on a 4090. However, the differences are minor if you are just playing the game and not looking for them. - But I agree the PC version is horrible in terms of optimisation at present. The developers should be ashamed for releasing a game in such a state. I would definitely suggest waiting for patches before playing it on PC. future looked bright for AAA games, and that has fizzled out on PCVR. It's basically a mod community now. - I see that as a positive. - AAA VR games will always be few in number because the the market is not big enough. AAA game modded/ported to VR is the best we can hope for. - If you have been following the development of the praydog UE mod you will have seen there are now hundreds of AAA running perfectly. - That is far more exciting to me than the handful of AAA ports PSVR2 will get in its lifetime (in part) due to the reprojection issue that likely rules out simple ports of 3rd person games.
Wait, don't tell me, the Deckard IS Bigscreen Beyond's hmd (SteamVR and basestation support built in) paired with their Deluxe audio strap and Nofio's Wifi6e wireless adapter?
Wow....i was expecting some bland bias but he was actually on point on everything mentioned. And i must admit....i did get sick in PSVR2 but i thought it was only me. Now its all making a lot of sense.
Hello Bradley, I’ve gone on way too much, in other comments and will keep this short. I’m new to vr psvr2 and I get extreme motion sickness. Especially in call of the mountain. Snap turn is a no go, it kinda breaks the game but here me out, you say your experienced for years with vr and don’t really get sick and call of the mountain makes you sick in around 30mins. Well, I swear to god, all I have to do, is turn the camera once, in call of the mountain and I have instant motion sickness, to the extreme. I’m like, it turns so slow and I still get sick? Why does it feel so stuttering when it should be super high framerate. Anyway, after hearing what you have to say. I have 1 massive question. Is it possible for Sony to change things? Get native 90hz instead of targeting 60 and using the reprojection? Or whatever it’s called, that causes major motion sickness? Or is it like, it will make gsmes look worse and Sony won’t do that? Or maybe they use the system they use because psvr2 simply can’t do native 90? I’m just utterly sick of feeling extremely dizzy, sweaty and sick, after 1 turn of camera in call or mountain or maybe 5-20mins on something else. I literally try and struggle through 15mims of call of the mountain and it really don’t feel worth it.
If you are new to VR, play in short segments and stop playing when you feel nauseated. You need to get your "VR legs" and build up tolerance over time. I had the same issue with the Quest 2 and nausea and dizziness went away over time.
Only motion sickness I've experienced with psvr 2 was after 4 hours in gt7 but I've always been a bit weak to going up and down hill in racing games in vr
Good video, haven't heard of many of these things elsewhere - and it is good to know them up front! P.S.: The book "Haircutting for Dummies, second edition" unveals some really fascinating secret alternative tricks to headset wearing!
I also had to switch to snap turning. Always used smooth on PCVR but, not a big deal to me. It would be cool to see Sony release the Horizon VR COTM for PC users like they did with Zero Dawn. That would be Cool!
I felt rough with GT7 at first, but I’ve found my legs now and can play anything without problem now. Only thing I will get is a head ache after playing for too long.
Great review Brad. Valid points well made. I've never been particularly into racing games but have become addicted to GT7 in PSVR2. I got used to the mura pretty quickly as it is not as bad as on the PSVR1. I've had many sessions of several hours straight on GT7 with no sickness though I do often find it hard to stay in the sweet spot. The VR showroom mode where you can walk around fully ray traced cars is quite spectacular if you have enough floorspace to physically do it. I found if I positioned a car diagonally across my room I could pretty much walk from bumper to bumper.The motion reprojection is quite jarring when passing other cars at speed. I do wonder if a prospective "PS5 Pro" may have the required horsepower to drop motion reprojection? Or maybe there will be a "PSVR2 Pro" with pancake lenses and no mura?
@@HouseMartin Yup, which by then the things that they add to PSVR3 that would be industry standard now will be horribly outdated lol and the cycle continues
Hmm very interesting, in call of the mountain I would say don't use the sticks, instead use the gester swipe motion to turn and look around with your head, it runs sooo much more smoothly. I found useing the sticks is god awful. I play at 100% brightness with no nausia. That being said I am new to VR but not to motion sickness so I was really worried about this. GT7 took me a couple tries before I could actually play without wanting to puke. I love the VR community, thanks for being awesome!
@@omiewearnkhakis9780 Yeah I dont think it feels like a rail shooter but the game play is limited compared to what you come to expect from a Horizon Game, but I think Sony was very clear about this fact. Personally, I love the game even with its limits. Truthfully anything that can get people inspired in VR on whatever platform I all for it!
Maybe once the PS5 Pro is released, more games can run at 90Hz to prevent the reprojection issue. My main issue with PSVR2 I have is the blurry edges which I found out is because of the lenses that it uses. I also have a big nose and my eyes are close together and I had to add padding to make it more comfortable in order to be in the sweet spot. I wish Sony added padding in between the lenses.
For me, it feels like it's always blurry no matter what I do I look in 1 spot looks okay then to the side and something is just off and blurry + the mura effect and it's just a rather frustrating experience and I have 3 other headsets even on hp reverb g2 with a small sweet spot just don't have these issues and your right about just exclusives its the only thing ill buy on console the rest will go to my PC usually valve index as I feel like its still best overall experience even if the screen is no longer the best or anything.
Great review and it was great to see you working to figure out why you were getting sick. I'm a lucky one and play my psvr2 for hours. I'm sure I'll experience this one day. Going into a new headset and finding I have an odd problem I never knew would be one
big screen beyond looks cool but the fact its base station tracked and not inside out makes it dead in the water for me. convince them to do an xr2 version
I have the psvr2 I played 2 games I like it a lot, I only dislike 2 things: the blurriness and the nose gap there is clearly a Japanese bias in the comfort design it was not made for my mediterranean face.
re headphones: Using airpod 3s + airfly dongle (plug that into the 3.5mm jack on HMD and tuck it behind the main cable). wireless and forget you're wearing them (and much better sound than the included cheap buds)
Haven't had any issues with the PSVR 2 so far. It's also the first time i haven't had any motion sickness problems so far. Quest 2 was totally unusable for me in many ways because the IPD so stupid limited which results in blurry view, motion sickness and other side effects.
This guy is the *absolute best* when it comes to detailed VR hardware reviews. He really knows his stuff well. Sadly I didn't see his video on the Vive Pro 2 before buying that pile of garbage.
This is really quite shocking. The fact that they chose to go with high persistence, is absolutely careless. Hopefully they fix these issues, in whatever ways they can.
Crossing my fingers for a PSVR2 Version 2/Revision in Q1 2026 with the following > Pancake Lenses (No sweet spot) Low motion persistence with higher brightness Flatter slim compact front visor Ring-less VR controllers with improved motion tracking system No mura Wishful thinking maybe, but at least Quest 3 will have most of the following above ;)
@@mckenleymason1212 One of the worst things for VR is making people feel nauseous, though. That's the one thing that can put someone off VR completely.
@@mckenleymason1212 It's still for me regardless of the few issues i have with it. Where else can you experience Resident Evil: Village in VR? or the exclusive upcoming Resident Evil 4 Remake VR content, inevitable Astro Bot: Rescue mission port or sequel etc and so on? Heck, I'd keep the PSVR2 just for RE:Village VR alone if that meant it was the only title i could experience on it.
funny, i dont see any SDE compared to my valve index.. i see the mura though... maybe the mura mixed up a bit with SDE so i cant tell much... FOV is roughly the same..
So fascinating that we are in territory so new that the concept of "Veteran" VR users vs new users may lead to different experiences in ways that are still being described before us. Wow.
TLDR- I can play almost anything in VR for hours straight if the HMD fits right and I am already feeling good, but on the other hand a HMD can make a mild headache so severe nausea sets in... This is all very interesting to me. I've only ever truly gotten motion sick from VR, or any other video entertainment, a few times in my life (The big one that I can remember was some janky horror game on PSVR 1 using the DS4) despite being weirdly resistant to motion sickness (I get nauseous in the back seat of some cars, but not really anywhere else, not even on small boats in the ocean). However I'm very prone to headaches and migraines and just wearing a HMD, or tight motorcycle helmet can kick one off. If they get bad enough I'll become very nauseous, no matter how or where they start. I thought the Quest 1 might have been making me motion sick at first, but I quickly realized it was just from wearing it, after having it on my head, powered off for around 10 minutes. Also, I still can't help but wonder if, or how much, eye strain might play into "motion sickness". After heavily modding my Quest 1 it completely stopped causing me headaches, but it definitely will still exacerbate a current one- to the point of nausea if I don't stop within 5 to 15 minutes. I don't plan on buying a PSVR 2 but I would love to try one.
will add for headphones. I actually bought the dedicated playstation pulse headphones for my Oculus rift s....because the playstation pulse headphones have much wider clearance where a halo head-strap would be. top strap issue could be solved with 3rd party mod. good that the persistance can be fixed by lowering brightness....given that the headset does sort of work on pc (2000 series nvidia cards). would love to see sony add pc support, than games like call of the mountain could be run at native 120fps. but I know that is very unlikely to ever happen. there are also ps5 pro rumours for 2024. but I also think that unlikely
SONY is nuts, to set reprojection 120hz as the default presentation. EVEN MY 3080 cant handle Half life Alyx consistently 120hz with valve index. (even lower res than 4K) SONY need to set 90hz as the default setting for all AAA tittles, 120hz with performance setting should come with future updates. while waiting for PS5pro coming next year.
I'm a little disappointed with the cinematic mode on the PSVR2. You get the larger screen and all, but the resolution is 1080p. I prefer playing 2D games on my 4K monitor with the PS5.
I'm anxious about getting a psvr2 just on account of fresnel lenses. They just lose so much depth and dimensionality. I have a reverb G2 and even though it has excellent resolution, its fresnel lenses just kill the sense of depth I got used to having on the PSVR1. Yea it had low resolution, but that oled screen combined traditional glass lenses made for the best sense of true space I've ever experienced in a headset.
brad lowkey flexing on everyone with the bigscreen headset
My thoughts exactly
Not really a flex. That headset is overpriced and lacks a lot of features.
@@RoyHoy in that form factor?
@@RoyHoy wow you’re delusional. The panels themselves are $500. The lenses are expensive. Add the tracking, optical cable, customized fit and it’s very easily $1000. It might be expensive for YOU but in terms of what it is that’s very reasonable to get top of the line HMD.
@@ericwheelhouse4371 $500 for the panels? Where did you get that information? Big Screen themselves?
Now search up all the missing features taken out of this headset. People are going to spend a lot of money on accessories to turn it into a usable gaming headset. Or if you only plan on watching movies on it, it's still not worth $1,000. The Meta Quest Pro is honestly the better option for the same price. You have to be delusional to think otherwise. The Bigscreen Beyond headset is a step backwards in what us VR users want.
Someone just shared this video with me. I've seen brief snippets of this conversation on Twitter about the BFI and motion sickness but never been able to work out what the issue was.
This was an informative video, thanks.
Luckily for me, I guess I'm not as sensitive as some to the sickness. But even in an aesthetic level, the reprojection is a bit annoying for me. Looking forward to more 90hz games.
I've had the PSVR2 for a few weeks now and haven't experienced the nausea. Good to know about the projection issue though in case I have a guest that gets nauseous.
Amazing review, as usual! I don't really know of anyone else who goes into optical/display issues, which is surely very important for many people.
And Patreon is actually shown this time!
your comment last time made me remember this time, ngl
@@SadlyItsBradley Hi Mr Bradley, Ibsee that you're wearing the BIGSCREEN. I've pree ordered mine and have paid for it already. If you can, what are you thinking of it; in the simplest way yiu can that won't get you in trouble😊
@@SadlyItsBradley Oh I got your hint once i watched till the end,, So I guess I'll just wait. I also preordered the crystal so this is going to be an expensive VR year for me.
@@kangjames2492 someone must be stacked cash wise damn lol
@@thedoomslayer5863 only live once
So, how long ago did you last use the headset. I have found that after they updated the firmware on it, the reproduction is not an issue for me anymore. Before the updates, I could see a sort of double image while moving the headset. It's kind of like a ghosting and a blur effect that was only noticeable while moving. After the update, this is totally gone for me. The mura doesn't bother me as much as others, but I'm the guy that enjoys film grain in movies, so it kind of reminds me of that . I think it's a fair trade for oled blacks and a high dynamic range that only oled can provide in a headset. I don't like that they used fresnel lenses, but after some practice, dialing in the sweet spot is easy. Now I'm going to say something that does bother me and if you don't want it to bother you too stop reading now. Ok, if you look for it in sertan scenes you will notice a small purplish dot that is in the middle of the screen on each eye. It's almost like a reflection, but it's coming from within the headset. It's not super noticeable until you look for it, but once you see it you'll always see it, and it's like a splinter in my mind. Btw I don't get sick at all in this headset. everything feels rock solid and I'm a veteran vr user. I use a rift s on my PC.
I had actually been searching around to see if someone else had the purple dots on their lenses, for a moment I thought my headset had an issue but it appears it´s just how it is :/ I always see them with the merchant on RE VIII.
@@rodrigoruiz8146 It's nice to know others have noticed it too, I also thought I had a defective headset. I've just accepted they're there now and try to ignore it.
"enjoys film grain"
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You don’t get Mura in bright games like cotm? I see a lot of graininess when I look up at the sky, or the clouds.
Shame that they went with a pintle sub pixel arrangement. I thought that was a really cool feature on the PSVR 1. It feels like there are some really stand out features like eye tracking, face haptics, and the controllers, but Sony kind of dropped the ball when it comes to the display and lenses. I'm sure it will be super popular like the PSVR 1 and a ton of people will really like it, but I think it's a harder sell this time around competing with stand alone headsets especially this early on.
highly disagree. the PSVR 2 blows standalone headsets out of the water. It is a competitor to PCVR headsets but definitely incomparable to wireless.
@@LuisReyes-wx5hp I agree that it's a very nice headset (from what I can tell, I haven't actually used one), but I think it might not sell as well as the PSVR 1. Back then the PSVR 1 was a great budget option because it only required a PS4 and not an expensive PC and the whole kit was relatively cheap especially if you already owned a PS4. Now that we have standalone headsets with larger libraries than the current PSVR 2's at a cheaper price, a lot of normies won't care about how much better the performance or experience is. I agree the PSVR 2 is far superior in almost every way to something like a Quest 2, but $400 is a lot easier to swallow than $550 plus a PS5 especially right now with the limited library. I could be wrong. Also the hype around future headsets like the Quest 3 or if Pico ever decides to sell in America could get closer to the PSVR 2 experience.
@@LuisReyes-wx5hp lol stand alone, home of dodgy pcvr and N64 graphics for games in it's own ecosystem.
Im a VR veteran and after playing the PSVR2 every night for about an hour, i've suddenly have been suffering with really bad headaches for about a week now. Pretty sure its the headset as i never got this with my Quest2. Im gutted as im really enjoying the content and loving RE8 Village, but have to stop playing now for a couple of weeks until the headaches go. 😔
I don’t have any headaches but my right eye hurt / pain
Had this the first week coming from psvr1, used to 6h sessions with comfort settings off. Still ended up with splitting headaches at first.
2 or 3 things, I turned down the brightness to like 20% for a little over a week (It's a bright headset with the hdr).
The headband ratchet system was also a little aggressive for the first couple of weeks so I found that I was ending up with too much pressure on my head. It's worn in now and is working much better. The last thing is if you have a small ipd then the lenses can push against your nose, changing headset position will remedy this.
All in all I was a little disappointed at first but with some practice and some wear in time I'm finding it very comfortable now for extended sessions playing with full brightness and only turn it down when tired.
Hope this helps.
This is probably related to the head strap. I would definitely give yourself some time away from the headset, but try seating it differently when you use it next. Too far down the back of my head gives me issues. Maybe someone is offering a top strap solution to add to the PSVR 2 that would be worth trying.
Stick a ladies pantie liner on, it will help the cushioning 👀😎
@@Gaming-Legends007 Plus it adds a sense of immersion to Kayak Vr 🐟🐠🐟
Very well done video. I could not agree more with everything in this video...which is sad to me. I bought a PS5 in November in preparation for PSvr2. After putting it on after all the marketing, hype, and previews on UA-cam, I was so disappointed. I tried to convince myself that it was better than I thought and to give it more time, but between the MURA and the fact that I found the Rift S significantly more comfortable, it just wasn't for me. For the first time in years I had to turn off smooth turning in Horizon. I wasn't getting completely nauseous, but I felt weird. The FOV is one of the things I was very happy with since it felt much larger than my Rift S. I went back and forth between the two with KayakVR and the difference was obvious.
In the end, I just returned it as it didn't feel like it was worth the money to me due to the MURA and comfort. Turning down brightness did nothing for me in that regard.
What's funny is that after a couple of decades of PC gaming, I'm actually enjoying the PS5. The controllers, the quick load times, the fun games, being able to plop on my couch, I'm actually taking a break from PC gaming because of it despite the loss of mods. I didn't expect that, but I love the PS5. It just works and they have significantly closed the gap between PC and console to the point where paying that much for the best graphics isn't worth it to me anymore. It makes little financial sense.
As for VR, I continue waiting for something comfortable and affordable that I will upgrade to from my Rift S.
Did you buy from Sony directly? If so,do they accept returns on open/used headsets?? It's basically impossible to demo the PS VR2 unless you have a buddy who has one. I really want to try VR, I'm just not sure if the technology is there yet for me.
@@rockowilson2320 30 days to return no questions asked (UK)
Love this review! Your opinions and honesty are so refreshing! Thanks Brad!
Wrong but it's an opinion.
@@rad6666 I feel like this review by bluebell was written by brad - flex himself
Great review! As a pc guy too, it's hard to see such good hardware with eye tracking and good haptics limited by the ecosystem. I want to make my own experiences with it.
I would rent the ps5 + psvr2 if I could just for Horizon, can't go as far as doing what you did .
I wish there would be more headsets like the beyond coming out, and integrated eye tracking
You don't even need to rent, you can buy a playstation vr2 from playstation direct and return it in 30 days and get a full refund. 30 days is plenty of time to beat horizon COTM
@@3adir_ you had me look how viable it would be... Tempting, but still is a huge amount of money before the refund
I mean...I saw this coming a mile away. The first PSVR was unplayable garbage.
@@yaelm631 I'm sure best buy or some local tech store has playable demos. at one point, there was a demo for psvr 1, but I cant find them anymore. maybe malls have something for that?
@@3adir_ That's pretty scummy though, using their return policy as a free rental service.
im with u about the strap...
PSVR2 facial interface is itchy for me sometime.. i feel wierd when something touching my face but sometime its not..
kinda tickles ...haha
and the rear strap always looseing often.. makes everthing blurry..
Was Quest Pro display persistence sample recorded at min or max brightness? (Medium?) Does brightness affect it even?
Sometimes I get a feeling like Quest Pro is giving me more headache (still not much) over longer sessions than Quest 2, and by this point I'm sure it's not the strap.
First time vr owner and i´m loving the psvr2. I don't have a high end pc neither. A 4090 in my country goes for 2400-2500usd so you tell me. Bad lauch games or weak? for who? For someone who owns a high end pc with a good vr headset? For someone with a decent or mild pc or weaker and a quest 2? for someone who haven't own a vr headset or dosen't have one? It's the launch line up bad for me? I have a lot of games to play and enjoying it a lot so far. Never had motion sickness one. I only tried vr a couple of years ago in a PC and a vr headset don't remember which headset was. It was a racing game but idk which one.
Maybe the best $550 I've ever spent.
I've owned a Rift, a PS VR1, and an Odyssey+. Played a ton on the Quest 2 as well.
No issues with nausea or sickness here and the screen on this thing blows my O+ away which was also OLED. The HDR is mind blowing, light sources feel genuinely incandescent. Great controllers and comfort levels too. Tracking has been the best I've ever experienced, even better than my Rift with base station tracking.
But the biggest thing here is the games. Gran Turismo 7 and Resident Evil 8 are bonkers good. Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners is a huge improvement over even my gaming PC setup which had a Ryzen and a 2070.
To get this quality of VR for $1,000 is mind-blowing. For entry level, you can't beat this thing and it punches way above its weight class, making setups that cost triple that amount often look lacking.
The screen is epic from my view, looks like your looking at a native 1080p screen, I can see a slight mura when there’s a grey background, I’ve looked for it but I can’t see any screendoor at all, I see the slight flicker when you spin the camera on 60fps repo to 120, but I didn’t get dizzy or anything, maybe stick to native 90fps 4K games like Pavlov or Saints
Ohhh shit. I haven't had any VR sickness issues with PSVR2, but one of the first things I noticed when using it was if I lock my eyes on a post or something, then move my head around with my eyes fix or strafe the character there was there weird blur. I am guessing that is what I was seeing. I noticed it right away but didn't know why.
Also, as a VR veteran I actually just turn my body always in VR, no smooth or snap. Sucks with PSVR2 cause of cord, but I can't go back after wireless, so I still turn body. I am surprised more people or games don't push the idea of just turning your body and never the sticks. So much more natural to me.
I agree with your take on the feedback, hopefully future headsets incorporate this
Thanks for the insight! Great video!
Excited for the video where you tell us you have been testing Deckard all along and it's coming out next week for $500.
I love my PSVR 2 especially the new saints and sinners
It looks so goooooodddddd
Yeah man. Saints and Sinners is aweome on psvr2. Having a lot of fun and loving the psvr2.
The reprojection, and black frame persistance issues... Are these things that could be fully fixed with software / firmware updates? It seems like they are??
Good to hear your insights. For me, the headset is good enough to keep, although it's really uncomfortable and the small sweet spot is maddening.
It would be interesting to also hear your thoughts about what the existence of PS VR is doing for the state of VR software as a whole. I.e.: will it push things forward or hold them back? One for a future video, maybe?
Absolute crap!
How do you find it to be uncomfortable? It's surprising to me because the PSVR2 is the most comfortable headset I've used. I guess it depends on head shape.
I fear its not much of an impact. Its just a pricey accessory for a PS5/PSVR1 user (which some might upgrade), but too expensive for a no-VR-user (need both PS5/PSVR2). I fear the userbase for PSVR2 will not get too big.
@@ManlyOBeeferton It definitely depends on head shape. PS VR was the most comfortable headset I've used. The changes they made for PS VR2 were a downgrade in the comfort department for me. For other people, it's perfect.
@@izzard Have you heard of the Globular Cluster mod? I don't have it myself, but people who had the same issues as you claim it's a game-changer.
It drastically improves comfort and helps maintain the sweet spot.
Great video! Thanks for your take on the PSVR2
Agree with you on all of this. I love the PSVR2 and I don't really get sick when using it, but the flaws you mentioned are all true. Just dragging that brightness slider while turning side to side makes the smudgy ghosting so unbelievably obvious. It's like playing Half Life 1 on my 90s laptop all over again... Lateral head movement in game also looks jittery at times. I'd probably say that this headset puts me closer to my discomfort limit than Quest 2 native, but not as bad as pcvr over airlink or VD, but for different reasons. The latency of wireless PCVR feels about as bad as the ghosting on PSVR2 to me (very latency sensitive guy).
But.... I love it. As long as games keep coming out, this will probably remain my main headset for years. Q3 would have to bring some amazing exclusives for me to care about upgrading from my Q2... Or those MR apps have to be mighty convincing.
I'd still recommend to anyone to buy the PSVR2. It really is an awesome VR headset. Especially if you already have a PS5, or you like Gran Turismo.. It's a no brainer.
I've been playing village and turismo since launch. Last night I botted up alyx to compare. I have elite strap with battery. I actually could not believe how much more comfy it was BUT the clarity and sweetspot on quest 2 now felt ENOURMOUS compared to psvr 2. Bummed me out a bit. The screens on quest just felt so much easier on my eyes or something. Plus, when I moved around (usually what you do in vr) I didn't have to keep readjusting to find the sweetspot again. All in all just made me realize as much as it pains me, and basically like EVERY headset, psvr 2 takes 3 steps forward and 3 back.
I honestly don't notice a difference between wireless PCVR and using a link cable with my Quest 2. You probably already know this, but Virtual Desktop, and a good 5G wifi router is a must.
@@wjveryzer7985 Agree with you on this. The sweet spot is tiny enough that it makes games where I move around a lot cumbersome, I have to readjust a LOT. I'm hoping this will be solved with some more straps to pin it down on my head. Maybe balancing it out with some weight.. And more back padding.
I have the halo strap for my Q2 as well, it's great. The Q2 is too front heavy, but somehow I get less neck strain from it than the PSVR2.
I still prefer the PSVR2 though.. And I think I'm going to get better at wearing it right as I use it more. I would drop it like a turd and get a pancake lens version in a second though.
@@blastofo I'm just sensitive to the latency. I have a really good ASUS router with wifi 6 and all that good stuff. It's as good as it can get, it's just still very noticeable to me.. Irritating. I can play flight sims and other stuff where motion isn't rapid. But most other things just wreck me.
@@vgaportauthority9932 do u have elite WITH battery??? Dude the weight of battery makes it PERFECT
hey Bradley, did you didn’t try all the PSVR2 games that use native 90 fps ? For example TWDSS Retribution ?? I noticed the reprojection on Horizon, GT7 and Resi8 it does not bother me. And btw. there are some using native 120 fps, too 😊 The only thing I can’t figure out is mura, for me it’s 90% of the time did’t visible , just in darker enviroments . Still not sure if this is a psychologic or hardwae think. I made a opinion poll with the result that 60% didn’t notice it … 80% didn’t feel bothered from.
oh , forget … I’m since 7 years in VR, too 😉 and not just own but use a lot of VR devices ☺️
Is this a re projection problem or a PlayStation Re projection issue
Thanks for your review of the PSVR2. I have the Quest 2 and a PS5 so I upgraded my VR experience with the new headset. I think you are "on" to something regarding nausea with the PSVR2, especially for those who are used to being in VR previously. I played Horizon and other games, but not until I got part way into Resident Evil Village VR did I suddenly start getting sick. It could have been the smooth turning or possibly the optical issue you describe. I will turn down the brightness of the PSVR2 to see if that helps.
Brad, the constant tease and distraction of the Beyond sitting on your forehead was killing me in this. lol
The resolution, RGB stripe uOLED displays, and pancake lenses seem like they could be great, but the quality and comfort of the optional audio strap, the lower FOV, the lower refresh rate, and the complete lack of eye tracking to even make dynamic foveated rendering possible are concerns.
I've owned the Q2 and Reverb G2 and love the PSVR 2er the best. The amazing OLD and HDR screen plus ease of use. Just put it on and play beats the disadvanatges. RE8 in VR is the best experience I've ever had.
Very in depth. as a vive to index guy I want an upgrade looks like deckard whenever that is still.
As somone who purchased PSVR2 for Gran Turismo 7 (and loving it btw) coming from HTC Vive / Rift CV1 on pc, what headset would you recommend in 2023 for PCVR? Quest3 might just be that for me. Also, Do you have any idea about AMD RDNA 3 VR issues? Switched from my 2080 to a 7900 XTX and nothing but problems in VR. Terrible performance and terrible frame times, dropped frames in oculus etc. One of the major reasons i bought psvr2 as well.
It all depends so much on your budget and wired vs wireless preference. To be honest I always had problems with Quest 2 with using it with PC and I have 3070. Oculus have terrible software even in comparison to Pico that at least has settings in default app. I used oculus through wire, no wireless - didn't want to pay them for VD cause was going to sell it anyway and switch to something without facebook.
I went with Pico 4 through wifi 6, virtual desktop, Asus gaming wifi router and it appears for me to be a perfect setup, I only want to update card to 4080. But even with 3070 it's a very smooth experience almost without lag, but you really need a good router. I really don't want to change it even to wired Pimax or something else and in 2024 WiFi 7 comes to our lives that is much more suitable for VR. If you want maximum clarity and the best picture through wire and have unlimited amount of money I think most of the people will recommend you Pimax Crystal.
Nvidia rocks for VR, but didn't know AMD was that bad. I can play HL Alyx with my Pico 4 wireless (VD) with constant 90 fps on high ultra. But today I've ordered a 4080 to replace my 3080 because I also ordered a 8KX and this beast needs juice for sim racing.
Try Userbenchmark because maybe you have a bottleneck in your system. I accidentally put the 2nd RAM in the wrong slot and huge difference. Also overclock your memory at least slightly.
Hi Brad, I got psvr2 at launch and am very happy with it. I have not experienced pcvr or quest but had psvr1 before. The headset is not perfect and I never expected it to be. I don't even see the mura unless I look for it and despite it's flaws I am enjoying playing games on it a lot. I've been keeping up with pcvr on your channel and Thrill's and keeping a very open mind about sometime in the future building a gaming pc. 😁
I came from psvr 1 and went pcvr 4 yrs ago. I highly recommend you get into pcvr. I always said get both back then. This time around I decided to not get a psvr 2 because Id rather get the new Deckard or pimax crystal or 12k. You have to try it..and its good that you're not close minded. I was kinda a Sony fanboy and wish I wasn't like that back then because it made me blind to what was truly out there. Dont get me wrong..psvr 2 is a good headset..just not for me
nice thoughts. Personally, I don't get sick from it and I love it! :)
I have a similar issue on Pico 4, though not as bad. I use my theater room, which on one wall has just a giant white screen (obviously). It is also where I tend to position myself when starting... I realized that tracking wasn't great, so I ended up when I play, hanging up big blankets with patterns, so that the cameras have something to hang on to.
Is this about the headset tracking itself or controllers?
I would say at the end of the day it doesn’t matter how good/bad VR headset is. I’ve had a quest 2 Pcvr and the biggest problem is the lack of good/quality games. I would buy a 600 dollar Quest 1 if it meant I can play fun AAA games in VR.
Quest 1 can’t run anything you define as AAA. It’s not a realistic sentiment.
@@lada8744 I’m talking about PCVR, screw stand-alone shovelware garbage games. I’m saying I would play on a worse headset if it meant I can play better games.
I am extraordinarily sensitive to motion sickness. I have had zero nausea with PSVR2.
It just varies person to person. I'm new to VR and have had no issues.
I had no issues with motion sickness with my PSVR2 - at first. In fact, I enjoyed it so much I played it for hours at a time! But, for some reason, I got motion sickness and hour or so into RE8. Well, it could be "overuse" and not taking a break or something Bradly pointed out in his excellent review.
I hope the interpolation of frames will be improved programmatically.
I have a oculus quest 1 (OLED). I have never seen mura in it. Did I just get a good sample?
great review man - truly. Just picked up a quest 2. Going hard on Holoball and pcvr.
I've never had motion sickness. Started serious VR in 2017, thousands of hours of VR. Played hours on PSVR2 with no motion sickness. Play VR almost every day. I play with smooth locomotion and smooth turning.
Ditto.
So I’ve been a PSVR2 user since day 1 and I’ve only ever used the original Quest and the original PSVR for context. Anytime I ever used smooth turn it immediately made me sick. So I’ve always used snap turn thinking that’s the normal. But this guys review makes me think that when you get to the big headsets like the Valve or Pimax people are by default using smooth turn. Is this true? I’ve never used a PCVR headset (just don’t have the money) but I fucking love VR! And so far the PSVR 2 has been amazing and I haven’t ever really felt sick. But again I’m using snap turning because I though that was what everyone uses since smooth turning immediately makes me sick no matter what headset I try.
If this is true then I can’t imagine how amazing high end PCVR headsets are where people actually do smooth turning and don’t get sick. I hope one day to get a nice PCVR set up. But for now though, the PSVR2 has been really good to me. No Man’s Sky is such an amazing experience on the PSVR2! The price is a little ridiculous but if you already own a PS5 and love VR I recommend getting a PSVR2. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has never used PCVR sadly :(
Btw I just wanted to add I thought this was a really nice and honest review.
I have always used smooth turning on PS VR1 and PS VR2. That is the first thing I do when loading any game, I look for the smooth turning options and turn off any and all comfort settings.
Is the black frame insertion something they could tweak with software/firmware or is it a hardware limitation?
Most of the major problems everyone is having can be fixed over a bit of time with software updates or in the case of the headstrap and physical problems can be solved by 3rd party products as is what happened with the quest 2
Does the bigscreen Beyond have the mura effect?
Looks like you have your production version of Beyond! I’m super excited for mine.
They are shipping already?
@@ZubinSaxena well not to us peasants. Q3 I’m still hearing for us non UA-camrs
Great review as always Bradley.
And since you already have a PS5 now, I recommend playing some of the console's exclusive flat-screen games in your free time (I know you probably don't care for flat-screen games at this point 😅) but the PS exclusives are actually so impressive and well written.
Hear hear.
He traded in his PS5 and PSVR2 at gamestop this week I believe.
@@SpacehotelMusicoh well, PCMR gonna PCMR ;)
WOW!!!!!! Man you nailed this review and the concern aspects of PSVR2 on the head. Thank you, thank you, I thought i was going crazy and had the unit replaced only to find the issue persisted. Red aura around text, massive projection (blurry) and mura effect.... what a waist of my precious income, again sony has tricked the public and deliver a nausea unit. You are truly amazing and i cant wait for more updates on this unit hopefully when sony fixes there crap
I think the nausea issue is happening to a small subset of people as it seems most people are not having this issue. I am not saying that it is not an issue for some people but it doesn't seem like it as as common as Brad and you make it sound. I have also never seen red aura around text and it took me a long time to see to find any Mura effect and I think it is very minimal even when I can find it.
The only time I have any blurry issues is when the headset is worn like other headsets and not the way it should be worn. With the PS VR2 the halo needs to be pulled down much further in the back than other headsets. This may be why Brad states that experienced VR gamers have issues, they are trying to wear this like other headsets and that is not the correct way to wear the headset.
I've spent like 40 hours playing RE 8 and GT 7 in it so far and haven't experienced any nausea on full brightness. And I don't really notice the mura anymore. It's not that bad.
Yeah I hoped he might mention the "getting used to it effect". When I first got an Index in 2020 I was angry for about a week about how bad the glare was, it's genuinely bad. Then I got used to it, and now I don't notice it at all.
Every new VR headset from the DK1 until now seems to have had a couple of things that really annoyed people. I think it's quite possible that for a lot of people these issues aren't deal breakers, especially once they've been using the headset for a few weeks.
Though - 1200 euros for a walled garden system that appears to have some unfortunate drawbacks is stopping me buying it currently, which is a shame.
Apple comes to mind 😂
You mean to say the reason you don't care about the mura is because you keep your eyes closed most of the time for being scared out of your wits?
@@mitcherny6965 actually the basement level of the doll house in RE 8 was the scariest horror game I’ve ever played. It’s so good in VR. 10x better than flatscreen. They really need to port Alien Isolation to PSVR 2. I would buy it again.
How many games did you try on the platform? I’ve played a lot of hours running around in Pavlov and driving in gt7, no motion sickness.
The one thing I like is the software is the exact opposite of PCVR jank. GT7 has this customized polished feel that after hours of tinkering with PCVR, I cannot get with AC or Iracing. Sure GT7 lacks some sim elements, but the pedigree of having a AAA developer completely customize the experience from the ground up is such a reverse from what I'm used to with PCVR. More of this please. I hear Ace Combat is coming too. RE8 is much the same, on PC we get a lot of jank here, much of this is because its a mod(more on that). Walking Dead actually looks and plays better on PSVR2 than PC in all areas, even visually against my 4090. The other thing is we're pretty much down to mods with PCVR at this point. In 2020, the future looked bright for AAA games, and that has fizzled out on PCVR. It's basically a mod community now.
Walking Dead actually looks and plays better on PSVR2 than PC in all areas, even visually against my 4090.
- That is not true. The visuals are cut back slightly on PSVR2 in terms of shadows and ambient occlusion / volumetric effects and you can easily run SS at 200%.or more on a 4090. However, the differences are minor if you are just playing the game and not looking for them.
- But I agree the PC version is horrible in terms of optimisation at present. The developers should be ashamed for releasing a game in such a state. I would definitely suggest waiting for patches before playing it on PC.
future looked bright for AAA games, and that has fizzled out on PCVR. It's basically a mod community now.
- I see that as a positive.
- AAA VR games will always be few in number because the the market is not big enough. AAA game modded/ported to VR is the best we can hope for.
- If you have been following the development of the praydog UE mod you will have seen there are now hundreds of AAA running perfectly.
- That is far more exciting to me than the handful of AAA ports PSVR2 will get in its lifetime (in part) due to the reprojection issue that likely rules out simple ports of 3rd person games.
Wait, don't tell me, the Deckard IS Bigscreen Beyond's hmd (SteamVR and basestation support built in) paired with their Deluxe audio strap and Nofio's Wifi6e wireless adapter?
Wow....i was expecting some bland bias but he was actually on point on everything mentioned. And i must admit....i did get sick in PSVR2 but i thought it was only me. Now its all making a lot of sense.
Amazing piece of kit. Got a few games but only jumping on GT7. Your are IN the car! Amazing. Ps flat games on this are also amazing.
Hello Bradley, I’ve gone on way too much, in other comments and will keep this short. I’m new to vr psvr2 and I get extreme motion sickness. Especially in call of the mountain. Snap turn is a no go, it kinda breaks the game but here me out, you say your experienced for years with vr and don’t really get sick and call of the mountain makes you sick in around 30mins. Well, I swear to god, all I have to do, is turn the camera once, in call of the mountain and I have instant motion sickness, to the extreme. I’m like, it turns so slow and I still get sick? Why does it feel so stuttering when it should be super high framerate. Anyway, after hearing what you have to say. I have 1 massive question. Is it possible for Sony to change things? Get native 90hz instead of targeting 60 and using the reprojection? Or whatever it’s called, that causes major motion sickness? Or is it like, it will make gsmes look worse and Sony won’t do that? Or maybe they use the system they use because psvr2 simply can’t do native 90? I’m just utterly sick of feeling extremely dizzy, sweaty and sick, after 1 turn of camera in call or mountain or maybe 5-20mins on something else. I literally try and struggle through 15mims of call of the mountain and it really don’t feel worth it.
If you are new to VR, play in short segments and stop playing when you feel nauseated. You need to get your "VR legs" and build up tolerance over time. I had the same issue with the Quest 2 and nausea and dizziness went away over time.
Is there an audio jack on the BigscreenVR headset?
beyond pre-ordered (q4)
looking forward for your video about it
Only motion sickness I've experienced with psvr 2 was after 4 hours in gt7 but I've always been a bit weak to going up and down hill in racing games in vr
the bed on the floor with lights around it had me pretty damn distacted ngl hahahah what you been getting up to mr brad?!
Excellent review! This gives me so much insight in how PS VR2 works from a technical standpoint and how to optimize my experience with it!
Good video, haven't heard of many of these things elsewhere - and it is good to know them up front!
P.S.: The book "Haircutting for Dummies, second edition" unveals some really fascinating secret alternative tricks to headset wearing!
for the "stuff in your room issue" I imagine you just need some different stickers / posters / paintings / whatever to make unique points of reference
Where did you get that Shirt?
What an incredibly good summing up and review.
This is the review I was looking for at launch. Great stuff.
I also had to switch to snap turning. Always used smooth on PCVR but, not a big deal to me. It would be cool to see Sony release the Horizon VR COTM for PC users like they did with Zero Dawn. That would be Cool!
I felt rough with GT7 at first, but I’ve found my legs now and can play anything without problem now. Only thing I will get is a head ache after playing for too long.
Great review Brad. Valid points well made. I've never been particularly into racing games but have become addicted to GT7 in PSVR2. I got used to the mura pretty quickly as it is not as bad as on the PSVR1. I've had many sessions of several hours straight on GT7 with no sickness though I do often find it hard to stay in the sweet spot. The VR showroom mode where you can walk around fully ray traced cars is quite spectacular if you have enough floorspace to physically do it. I found if I positioned a car diagonally across my room I could pretty much walk from bumper to bumper.The motion reprojection is quite jarring when passing other cars at speed. I do wonder if a prospective "PS5 Pro" may have the required horsepower to drop motion reprojection? Or maybe there will be a "PSVR2 Pro" with pancake lenses and no mura?
PSVR3 would be when we can expect some things that are industry standard now like pancake lenses and less reliance on reprojection
@@thedoomslayer5863 I think you're right. With Sony that likely means 2030 then! 😥
@@HouseMartin Yup, which by then the things that they add to PSVR3 that would be industry standard now will be horribly outdated lol and the cycle continues
Wish they'd just make the games and HMD available to PC users so we can push higher, smoother framerates.
Thanks for the insight! ❤
Hmm very interesting, in call of the mountain I would say don't use the sticks, instead use the gester swipe motion to turn and look around with your head, it runs sooo much more smoothly. I found useing the sticks is god awful. I play at 100% brightness with no nausia. That being said I am new to VR but not to motion sickness so I was really worried about this. GT7 took me a couple tries before I could actually play without wanting to puke. I love the VR community, thanks for being awesome!
I was confused on why I heard everyone calling it a on rails shooter style game
@@omiewearnkhakis9780 Yeah I dont think it feels like a rail shooter but the game play is limited compared to what you come to expect from a Horizon Game, but I think Sony was very clear about this fact. Personally, I love the game even with its limits. Truthfully anything that can get people inspired in VR on whatever platform I all for it!
Maybe once the PS5 Pro is released, more games can run at 90Hz to prevent the reprojection issue. My main issue with PSVR2 I have is the blurry edges which I found out is because of the lenses that it uses. I also have a big nose and my eyes are close together and I had to add padding to make it more comfortable in order to be in the sweet spot. I wish Sony added padding in between the lenses.
Agree - sweet spot keeps slipping and screen door effect is there - many reviewers skip mentioning it.
Appreciate the honesty 👍
For me, it feels like it's always blurry no matter what I do I look in 1 spot looks okay then to the side and something is just off and blurry + the mura effect and it's just a rather frustrating experience and I have 3 other headsets even on hp reverb g2 with a small sweet spot just don't have these issues and your right about just exclusives its the only thing ill buy on console the rest will go to my PC usually valve index as I feel like its still best overall experience even if the screen is no longer the best or anything.
Try pulling the back of the headset way down towards your neck. This seems to fix the issue for most people and this is how it is supposed to be used.
Great review and it was great to see you working to figure out why you were getting sick. I'm a lucky one and play my psvr2 for hours. I'm sure I'll experience this one day. Going into a new headset and finding I have an odd problem I never knew would be one
glad you can enjoy it :D
big screen beyond looks cool but the fact its base station tracked and not inside out makes it dead in the water for me. convince them to do an xr2 version
I think thats the case for a lot of people
@@SadlyItsBradley I still don't understand if Beyond is OpenXR native or need SteamVR
@@FabrizioCarimati it uses steam vr’s native lighthouse drivers. Not OpenXR
I have the psvr2 I played 2 games I like it a lot, I only dislike 2 things: the blurriness and the nose gap there is clearly a Japanese bias in the comfort design it was not made for my mediterranean face.
re headphones: Using airpod 3s + airfly dongle (plug that into the 3.5mm jack on HMD and tuck it behind the main cable). wireless and forget you're wearing them (and much better sound than the included cheap buds)
Haven't had any issues with the PSVR 2 so far. It's also the first time i haven't had any motion sickness problems so far.
Quest 2 was totally unusable for me in many ways because the IPD so stupid limited which results in blurry view, motion sickness and other side effects.
Dude, your channel deserves so many more subs than others. You bring quality analysis.
This guy is the *absolute best* when it comes to detailed VR hardware reviews. He really knows his stuff well.
Sadly I didn't see his video on the Vive Pro 2 before buying that pile of garbage.
This is really quite shocking. The fact that they chose to go with high persistence, is absolutely careless.
Hopefully they fix these issues, in whatever ways they can.
Crossing my fingers for a PSVR2 Version 2/Revision in Q1 2026 with the following >
Pancake Lenses (No sweet spot)
Low motion persistence with higher brightness
Flatter slim compact front visor
Ring-less VR controllers with improved motion tracking system
No mura
Wishful thinking maybe, but at least Quest 3 will have most of the following above ;)
It is not an issue it's a feature. They've made choices that work for them. There's no going away from that. Nor do I think they should.
@@NeonPizzas no man it just means this system isn't for you. And that's okay. What you're looking for is a totally different VR headset.
@@mckenleymason1212 One of the worst things for VR is making people feel nauseous, though.
That's the one thing that can put someone off VR completely.
@@mckenleymason1212 It's still for me regardless of the few issues i have with it. Where else can you experience Resident Evil: Village in VR? or the exclusive upcoming Resident Evil 4 Remake VR content, inevitable Astro Bot: Rescue mission port or sequel etc and so on? Heck, I'd keep the PSVR2 just for RE:Village VR alone if that meant it was the only title i could experience on it.
Thanks Bradly. Your the man. Appreciate your thoughts and opinions as always.
I heard the head gasket was very comfortable.
funny, i dont see any SDE compared to my valve index..
i see the mura though... maybe the mura mixed up a bit with SDE so i cant tell much...
FOV is roughly the same..
don’t see mura much, but SDE reminds me the Vive og…
So fascinating that we are in territory so new that the concept of "Veteran" VR users vs new users may lead to different experiences in ways that are still being described before us. Wow.
Loving the great blacks and brightness! Keep up the good work, Brad!
TLDR- I can play almost anything in VR for hours straight if the HMD fits right and I am already feeling good, but on the other hand a HMD can make a mild headache so severe nausea sets in...
This is all very interesting to me. I've only ever truly gotten motion sick from VR, or any other video entertainment, a few times in my life (The big one that I can remember was some janky horror game on PSVR 1 using the DS4) despite being weirdly resistant to motion sickness (I get nauseous in the back seat of some cars, but not really anywhere else, not even on small boats in the ocean). However I'm very prone to headaches and migraines and just wearing a HMD, or tight motorcycle helmet can kick one off. If they get bad enough I'll become very nauseous, no matter how or where they start. I thought the Quest 1 might have been making me motion sick at first, but I quickly realized it was just from wearing it, after having it on my head, powered off for around 10 minutes. Also, I still can't help but wonder if, or how much, eye strain might play into "motion sickness". After heavily modding my Quest 1 it completely stopped causing me headaches, but it definitely will still exacerbate a current one- to the point of nausea if I don't stop within 5 to 15 minutes. I don't plan on buying a PSVR 2 but I would love to try one.
Love you're work and your channel. But I don't understand what you mean by "meera". Do you you mean moire?
The psvr2 mantis is the answer for audio. It's the snap on type you mentioned.
will add for headphones. I actually bought the dedicated playstation pulse headphones for my Oculus rift s....because the playstation pulse headphones have much wider clearance where a halo head-strap would be.
top strap issue could be solved with 3rd party mod. good that the persistance can be fixed by lowering brightness....given that the headset does sort of work on pc (2000 series nvidia cards). would love to see sony add pc support, than games like call of the mountain could be run at native 120fps. but I know that is very unlikely to ever happen.
there are also ps5 pro rumours for 2024. but I also think that unlikely
SONY is nuts, to set reprojection 120hz as the default presentation.
EVEN MY 3080 cant handle Half life Alyx consistently 120hz with valve index. (even lower res than 4K)
SONY need to set 90hz as the default setting for all AAA tittles, 120hz with performance setting should come with future updates.
while waiting for PS5pro coming next year.
The ps5 is like a 2070 super...
What about cinematic mode for non-VR media? I feel like it would be great for immersion in darker/ suspenseful horror games.
Between mura and 1080p is really not very impressive
I'm a little disappointed with the cinematic mode on the PSVR2. You get the larger screen and all, but the resolution is 1080p. I prefer playing 2D games on my 4K monitor with the PS5.
Thanks. I actually just ordered one today. It will be my very first experience with VR.
Wut? Brad no like the Sony Reverb G2??
Appreciate your mind and your time
I'm anxious about getting a psvr2 just on account of fresnel lenses. They just lose so much depth and dimensionality. I have a reverb G2 and even though it has excellent resolution, its fresnel lenses just kill the sense of depth I got used to having on the PSVR1. Yea it had low resolution, but that oled screen combined traditional glass lenses made for the best sense of true space I've ever experienced in a headset.
Thank you brad very cool
Now get some integrated audio on that bigscreen beyond
Ty Mr. Bradley.
Great job Brad!
Does big screen beyond require basestations?
Yes