Awesome video!!! Thank you man. Vortex is a rip off company here in UT as well. So I got another estimate from another company and that one was even worse at $723.00. After watching your video I realized mine might not even be broken, checked it out again, square notch was disconnected, just pushed it back in place. Fixed for nothing. You saved me $730.00!!! 🙏🙏😀
Same company (Vortex) wants to charge me $700 to replace my door closer. Saw your video and found the part for $100 on Amazon. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Thank you 👍👍👍👍👍 I was losing my mind because the door would not shut again after I took it off to bring in a delivery, but after watching your video, I realized that I did not try to reinstall with the door close I did it with the door open and it sucked but your quick fix was perfect
If it’s closing to fast then usually best practice to fully wind in the closing & latching screws then start from scratch, that way you can set the door to your preference
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video. It helped me tremendously; I needed to remove glass door to get furniture inside, and your video showed me how to do it easily; and I also learned a few things to make my door work even better; once I put it back on! You DA MAN!
Man! I was looking for a video about this type door! It’s so stressful! There is no video abt this one. I cant find where to adjust the heigtht of this door. Now I know
Thank you! I couldn't find any other internal closers video. I love your sense of humor too. Great job trouble shooting old school! Some one might correct me on this but I found that tightening the screw at the top of the door, that faces inward when the door is open out, (it shows at frame 2:08 in your video but the door is off at that point), adjusts the door up a little so it doesn't scrape. Without any dis-assembly.
Thanks, man. This saved me $450 which I was quoted. Not even sure if it needs a new closer, the door is just sagging and now I know how to adjust the door position.
expert in door closers here, you did a good job replacing the closer and installing the CRL. if you have not tossed it to the dumpster yet, there are places you can send the international to get rebuilt to fix that leak and use it again. if you choose to fix it yourself, I can help you!! -Jess the door closer doctor
+JLD902 The CRL takes a lot to open... I may replace it again and get one that is easier to open. I will look into having the other one refurbished. Thanks for the tip.
+freefreakshow if its too heavy, like you said, will have to go to next size lower closer, depending on the model number on the flat surface (surface touching the top of door inside the hole it sits in) may show the date code and the spring size, also be aware some its stamped in the big round part around the square (the square part is called spindle/shaft) date code (depending on how old it is, as the date code location has changed a couple times as years passed, some itsbelow the 20-330 but upside down as impressed stamp, the newer ones, the date code is in same format (4311 lets say) but as an inked stamp on the visible surface so you can immedately see it when you remove the coverplate. the format they use, first number is month, second is day, and last 2 digits are the year, so 4311 is april 3rd 2011 another thing you can do,if dont want to go to next (non-adjustable)size smaller, go with the blue CRL Jackson version, it has a spring tension adjuster on the end near the 2 round end caps. the blue one is sized 1-4 which may fit your needs, I am sure an end user/owner of a door can buy one off CRL website, (CRlawrence.com) if not, eBay may be your best bet. but the only thing you have to be careful of with eBay, as closers as we both know have oil, many times the seller will drain its oil before shipping it, if you see one you like, best to contact seller about if it's in working conidtion and if he drained its oil or not, and with that, not too hard to do, I have done it myself with the blue jackson, I'll be willing to help you with this if you need help, as for the big truck driving overpriced guy, I think he was trying rip you off and reel you in hook, line and sinker by telling you to pretty much close the valves, to "burp the air out of it" so he can come back on a return call when you start to complain about it being super slow. when there is air in a closer, depending on how much air, (if very small amount) it may not effect it other then cause a "shhhhhh" noise, but as more air enters the closer (and more oil exits it) it will sound like its gurgling and is a sign of rebuild or replace with new. now with rebuilders, they will charge you shipping both ways and the benchwork that happened to it, the one you took out looks like just a o-ring failed around the shaft, DIY'ing "closer surgery" is not recommended, as you need special tools and if get into where the springs are, you could get hurt by its spring. I hope this long message helps you somewhat in getting the door controlled and easier to open for your customers, I guess I can add tattoo artist to the list of walks of life to have door closer questions/problems that I have dealt with (helped) I also have a facebook page that is filled with door closer hints, tips and tricks to dealing with OHC, surface mount and those that are concealed in the floor. please read, comment/like the page, and feel free to leave a comment or a message! facebook.com/JessTheDoorCloserDoctor/ -Jess the door closer doctor
+Max Headroom thanks, i am glad you enjoy my advice and input, do you jist replace or do you rebuild them? south California, you familiar with eBay user GO-CIA (michael Salena)? he lives in californa and deals with concealed closers
Hey great video really appreciate you taking the time. Your going to save me about $400, I'm getting ready to do this job in the next day or so. Thanks again.
ADA suggests a Closing speed to be about 5 - 9 seconds (I do 7 seconds) to be devided by the swing speed and the latch speed... 4 and 3 respectively... Hope this Helps...
It should take about 8-10 seconds to close the door. Adjust the closing speed to close about to about 80%, should take about six seconds and the remaining latch speed 2-4 seconds. The closers wear out quick if there is a high volume of foot traffic. We gotta get paid to instal them... Good job saving some dough. Your door should close a bit quicker than what you have it set at.
our business has double doors with hardware and screw placement that look identical to yours, do you happen to know the model and make? I couldn't find any markings at all.
Mark Stanley I have attached the door back but instead of closing slowly it was opening slowly.Have I done something wrong? How to rectify this problem?I have played with the two adjustable skrews without success. Is there another skrew that it sets wich way to be soft closing? Thanks .
just leased a place with a door incorrectly installed. It defaults to open and has to be forced shut. It loads from the back, not the side like this one. How do you turn the square stud to get it indexed correctly?
adjusting the side load upper arm in the mortised part of door, ? Have you also installed locking 1/4-20 jam nuts to restrict the bolts from loosening?
Hey Mark Stanley maybe is a simple question for you but I want to know if there are any special model of concealed door closer that open both sides ( in and out ) I don’t want to buy the wrong one or if you can recommend me any model? Please and thank you
Good job. They guy that replaced it doesn't sound as much as experienced as could be. They sold you a low/lowest end knock off and charged standard prices. Even being in the low end it should last WAY longer then a year, even if you have high traffic coming through the door. If it ever breaking in 3 months or less it's a bad closer(it happens but not often) or bad install(most common). If you buy the complete package it comes with a replacement pivot and arm and I replace them most of the time. You buy new you get new and you don't see me again for that. Good job again, Im sorry for your experience with that tech, just sucks you felt like you had to do it because you felt ripped off. You did get lucky that everything lined up for the most part, but it can and has gotten more tricky!
I've been looking for this video for the days thanks a lot The only problem I have is the door they open instead go back to closing position So basically when someone close it it goes back open all the way if anyone can help me with that I appreciate it
Funny how you people complain, these parts are super expensive and y’all think they’re just going to charge you what the part cost them? If the part cost $360 then they have all rights to sell it to you for $600 plus labor since you don’t know nothing about this type of special work… but y’all be selling beads and soda for a 700% mark up 💀💀😂
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Awesome video!!! Thank you man. Vortex is a rip off company here in UT as well. So I got another estimate from another company and that one was even worse at $723.00. After watching your video I realized mine might not even be broken, checked it out again, square notch was disconnected, just pushed it back in place. Fixed for nothing. You saved me $730.00!!! 🙏🙏😀
Thanks for your video, this is the only 1 what I found about replacement.
Same company (Vortex) wants to charge me $700 to replace my door closer. Saw your video and found the part for $100 on Amazon. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
What is the part called on Amazon?
Thanks for this video! Nothing else in the internet.
They should last for YEARS AND YEARS. NOT A YEAR. THAT GUY DID YOU DIRTY BRO. GREAT JOB!
Thank you 👍👍👍👍👍 I was losing my mind because the door would not shut again after I took it off to bring in a delivery, but after watching your video, I realized that I did not try to reinstall with the door close I did it with the door open and it sucked but your quick fix was perfect
Wow!! I just saw your post, thanks I will definitely hire a locksmith.
Thanks I appreciate it.🤭
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Mine closes super fast, I’ll try to adjust the screws. Wondering if the are all generic
If it’s closing to fast then usually best practice to fully wind in the closing & latching screws then start from scratch, that way you can set the door to your preference
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video. It helped me tremendously; I needed to remove glass door to get furniture inside, and your video showed me how to do it easily; and I also learned a few things to make my door work even better; once I put it back on! You DA MAN!
Man! I was looking for a video about this type door! It’s so stressful! There is no video abt this one. I cant find where to adjust the heigtht of this door. Now I know
Thank you! I couldn't find any other internal closers video. I love your sense of humor too. Great job trouble shooting old school! Some one might correct me on this but I found that tightening the screw at the top of the door, that faces inward when the door is open out, (it shows at frame 2:08 in your video but the door is off at that point), adjusts the door up a little so it doesn't scrape. Without any dis-assembly.
Hi I am from 🇬🇧 thank you very much saved me 350 pounds thanks 😊
Thank you for such an informative and detailed video. Vortex is definitely way too expensive! 👍🏻
I was looking for clip of internal closer and finally found it here!!
U saved my day. Thanks for vid.
You’re doing gods work!! Thanks for making this video
“ is that slow enough? I dont know “ 😂😂😂🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thanks, man. This saved me $450 which I was quoted. Not even sure if it needs a new closer, the door is just sagging and now I know how to adjust the door position.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Your about to make look great in front of my GM
Thank you. I am very great full that you took your time to let me know how to fix my door.
Thank you very much, I learned from you how to remove the glass door also how to get to the door closer...... U R awesome 👏
expert in door closers here, you did a good job replacing the closer and installing the CRL.
if you have not tossed it to the dumpster yet, there are places you can send the international to get rebuilt to fix that leak and use it again.
if you choose to fix it yourself, I can help you!!
-Jess the door closer doctor
+JLD902 The CRL takes a lot to open... I may replace it again and get one that is easier to open. I will look into having the other one refurbished. Thanks for the tip.
+freefreakshow if its too heavy, like you said, will have to go to next size lower closer, depending on the model number on the flat surface (surface touching the top of door inside the hole it sits in) may show the date code and the spring size, also be aware some its stamped in the big round part around the square (the square part is called spindle/shaft)
date code (depending on how old it is, as the date code location has changed a couple times as years passed, some itsbelow the 20-330 but upside down as impressed stamp, the newer ones, the date code is in same format (4311 lets say) but as an inked stamp on the visible surface so you can immedately see it when you remove the coverplate. the format they use, first number is month, second is day, and last 2 digits are the year, so 4311 is april 3rd 2011
another thing you can do,if dont want to go to next (non-adjustable)size smaller, go with the blue CRL Jackson version, it has a spring tension adjuster on the end near the 2 round end caps. the blue one is sized 1-4 which may fit your needs, I am sure an end user/owner of a door can buy one off CRL website, (CRlawrence.com) if not, eBay may be your best bet. but the only thing you have to be careful of with eBay, as closers as we both know have oil, many times the seller will drain its oil before shipping it, if you see one you like, best to contact seller about if it's in working conidtion and if he drained its oil or not, and with that, not too hard to do, I have done it myself with the blue jackson, I'll be willing to help you with this if you need help,
as for the big truck driving overpriced guy, I think he was trying rip you off and reel you in hook, line and sinker by telling you to pretty much close the valves, to "burp the air out of it" so he can come back on a return call when you start to complain about it being super slow. when there is air in a closer, depending on how much air, (if very small amount) it may not effect it other then cause a "shhhhhh" noise, but as more air enters the closer (and more oil exits it) it will sound like its gurgling and is a sign of rebuild or replace with new.
now with rebuilders, they will charge you shipping both ways and the benchwork that happened to it,
the one you took out looks like just a o-ring failed around the shaft,
DIY'ing "closer surgery" is not recommended, as you need special tools and if get into where the springs are, you could get hurt by its spring.
I hope this long message helps you somewhat in getting the door controlled and easier to open for your customers,
I guess I can add tattoo artist to the list of walks of life to have door closer questions/problems that I have dealt with (helped)
I also have a facebook page that is filled with door closer hints, tips and tricks to dealing with OHC, surface mount and those that are concealed in the floor.
please read, comment/like the page, and feel free to leave a comment or a message!
facebook.com/JessTheDoorCloserDoctor/
-Jess the door closer doctor
Ha! too funny. My real name is Jesse and I also do these door repairs in Southern Califorina.
+JLD902 Great advice Jess.
+Max Headroom thanks, i am glad you enjoy my advice and input, do you jist replace or do you rebuild them? south California, you familiar with eBay user GO-CIA (michael Salena)? he lives in californa and deals with concealed closers
thank you great video . I am sure you filmed this movie in California because C R L Lawrence is a California company.
It would be great if you provided a link to the part, or put in the description the name brand and part number. But thanks for the video.
Hey great video really appreciate you taking the time. Your going to save me about $400, I'm getting ready to do this job in the next day or so. Thanks again.
Thanks for this helpful (tho shaky!) video. Now to find a new closer online....
ADA suggests a Closing speed to be about 5 - 9 seconds (I do 7 seconds) to be devided by the swing speed and the latch speed... 4 and 3 respectively... Hope this Helps...
It should take about 8-10 seconds to close the door. Adjust the closing speed to close about to about 80%, should take about six seconds and the remaining latch speed 2-4 seconds. The closers wear out quick if there is a high volume of foot traffic. We gotta get paid to instal them... Good job saving some dough. Your door should close a bit quicker than what you have it set at.
Thanks been looking for ages for how to do this ............................
I really like your video!! Thank you!
great work
Thanks man exactly what I needed
Thanks, I have the same kind of door and this helped a lot.
Excellent video man! Thanks so much.
You did well sir
How did you know which ohc to buy beforehand?
How much was your replacement door closer? Can you give us a link maybe. Thank you for your great video.
my door stays open must pull it to make it close. how do i adjust for it to not stay open thanks.
our business has double doors with hardware and screw placement that look identical to yours, do you happen to know the model and make? I couldn't find any markings at all.
Great it helps a lot thank you thank you thank you
Super job sir
400 dollars for this job is absolutely beyond fair
Anyone has any questions I'm a commcial door tech, replaced a few hundred of those closers.
Mark Stanley I have attached the door back but instead of closing slowly it was opening slowly.Have I done something wrong? How to rectify this problem?I have played with the two adjustable skrews without success. Is there another skrew that it sets wich way to be soft closing? Thanks .
like it is hard to open door now ?
just leased a place with a door incorrectly installed. It defaults to open and has to be forced shut. It loads from the back, not the side like this one. How do you turn the square stud to get it indexed correctly?
adjusting the side load upper arm in the mortised part of door, ? Have you also installed locking 1/4-20 jam nuts to restrict the bolts from loosening?
Hey Mark Stanley maybe is a simple question for you but I want to know if there are any special model of concealed door closer that open both sides ( in and out ) I don’t want to buy the wrong one or if you can recommend me any model? Please and thank you
thank you for making this video man
Where u get the closer part
Good job. They guy that replaced it doesn't sound as much as experienced as could be. They sold you a low/lowest end knock off and charged standard prices. Even being in the low end it should last WAY longer then a year, even if you have high traffic coming through the door. If it ever breaking in 3 months or less it's a bad closer(it happens but not often) or bad install(most common). If you buy the complete package it comes with a replacement pivot and arm and I replace them most of the time. You buy new you get new and you don't see me again for that. Good job again, Im sorry for your experience with that tech, just sucks you felt like you had to do it because you felt ripped off. You did get lucky that everything lined up for the most part, but it can and has gotten more tricky!
I've been looking for this video for the days thanks a lot
The only problem I have is the door they open instead go back to closing position
So basically when someone close it it goes back open all the way if anyone can help me with that I appreciate it
Nice job
very helpful. Thank you.
Great vidio. Thanks
Funny how you people complain, these parts are super expensive and y’all think they’re just going to charge you what the part cost them? If the part cost $360 then they have all rights to sell it to you for $600 plus labor since you don’t know nothing about this type of special work… but y’all be selling beads and soda for a 700% mark up 💀💀😂
The beads and soda career🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Anybody know where to find the closer thing or the proper name for it so I can search for it?
You could become a Glass Guy instead.
🎉❤
great video, what serial number for the door closer?
i think you mean model number
You get what you pay for, call a Tech out on a weekend and you will pay more.
That screw you pointed to is your adjustment canting the door. The hinge side is good, but the door drags on other side. adjust that screw.
You are the man!!!!! Been looking for this video for so long! Thank you!
And never with any door closer close the valve all the way. You will do damage to the closer.