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    A video I uploaded last month has upset various practitioners of hobbies that I enjoy, and so to set their minds at rest, I have made this clarifying video. It is a bit long, but at least is broken up with singing and dancing and poetry. The controversial video was in verse, and it seems that four-line stanza ABAB rhyming scheme iambic verse may not be the best medium for serious debate about knife-fighting technique - who knew?
    The verse I wrote dealt with one specific situation, and no other: two men duelling with knives or daggers, able to choose their exact design of knife or dagger, and wearing no armour. My poem made one main simple point: in such a situation, I'd choose a shorter cutty/choppy knife and would hold it point up (most of the time) rather than a long thin rondel held point down. Right at the end I conceded that I might not. Along the way, I pointed out certain disadvantages of 'ice-pick grip' and rondels.
    Something I meant to say in this VERY long video, but didn't, was about this stanza in the verse:
    "I learned my knife fighting with a dagger like this,
    It's shorter and fatter and cutty,
    A foe using this [shows rondel to camera] is just taking the piss,
    Against me with this he'd surely be putty."
    The poem was designed to be entertaining, and funny. At this stage in the poem, I am still setting up the situation, and not yet drawing conclusions, and I am describing my own daft prejudices. I am the butt of this joke. When I, in-character, say "Against me with this he'd surely be putty" I am showing myself to be over-blown and pompous. It helps the humour of what comes later to make myself the figure of fun by puffing myself up. This isn't a 'ha-ha' joke exactly, but it is a mildly amusing set-up which helps what comes later. Some people, however, seems to have understood that what I was saying was that in all seriousness I consider myself a stupendous knife-fighter who could easily beat anyone who was foolish enough to choose to use a rondel against me. People familiar with my video output should know that I do not take myself anywhere near this seriously, and I hope that my burst of very bad contemporary dance in this video serves to reinforce this understanding.
    History, archaeology, book-learning, eastern martial arts, western martial arts, re-enactment, thought experiments, speculation - these all contribute to the debate we are having, and I would not want anyone to think that I would throw out anything suggested by one of these sources just because of its source.
    I've had no complaints from kung-fu people, possibly because kung-fu people don't watch my videos, but also perhaps because the kung-fu knife (the one I show the camera when talking about kung-fu) seems to 'win' the fight in the poem.
    Schola Gladiatoria's video on this topic, much referred-to in this video is here: • Medieval dagger fighti...
    Thegn Thrand's videos:
    • Dagger fighting Reply ...
    • Dagger fighting Reply ...
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  • @bentoth9555
    @bentoth9555 8 років тому +561

    +Lindybeige Next time you need to do a rant it should be done entirely through interpretive dance, that was awesome.

    • @neilwilson5785
      @neilwilson5785 8 років тому +11

      It started great, then went into stuff about shawls and Belgium. Bliss. This stuff makes me happy, and isn't that what we all want? Well, nearly everyone :(

    • @doktordiklegz
      @doktordiklegz 8 років тому +6

      Was that dubstep? Am I in meme city?

  • @lautrecwinifred4295
    @lautrecwinifred4295 10 років тому +634

    His dancing is absolute superb.

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  10 років тому +204

      Thank you, but I hope you were not referring to the dancing in this video.

    • @TheUlquiorraCifer
      @TheUlquiorraCifer 9 років тому +1

      +Lindybeige Soothing Scammer Voice: I'll give you a dollar, a whole entire dollar.

    • @TheUlquiorraCifer
      @TheUlquiorraCifer 9 років тому +2

      +Ulquiorra Cifer Don't forget it's an entire dollar.

    • @FuckNameImagination
      @FuckNameImagination 8 років тому +18

      So it's his singing

    • @shadomatch4375
      @shadomatch4375 8 років тому +1

      I think he was...

  • @Skallagrim
    @Skallagrim 10 років тому +1144

    Wow, some people were really over-thinking your poem. And there is also the common phenomenon of people disagreeing with something someone supposedly said or didn't say but then it turns out there is no actual disagreement. Ah, the joys of human communication... :)
    I was actually surprised to see Matt plucking your video apart, personally I didn't see what was so controversial about what you said, Lloyd. Especially considering that it was obviously stylized for artistic purposes. In any case, both you, Matt and Thrand made good points, and as far as I see it the reason why there are good arguments on either side is that both grips are viable. They have their pros and cons which are dependent on the situation, and personal preference plays into it as well. Obviously the historical authors don't all agree on everything either.

    • @BLooDCoMPleX
      @BLooDCoMPleX 10 років тому +27

      Sup Skall.

    • @Cookiesdiefrombehind
      @Cookiesdiefrombehind 10 років тому +66

      Are you kidding? Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing when there is no actual disagreement is the only joy in life!

    • @igneous061
      @igneous061 10 років тому +6

      well, its simple : blade down grip for armored opponents and blade up grip for unarmored opponents ;)

    • @Soulcatcher30
      @Soulcatcher30 10 років тому +1

      Ice pick handling looks bit more comfortable, but it makes blade "stick" out there. Ideally your opponent should be blading from dozen holes in gut or lying on the floor with sliced throat before even seeing dagger but hey that's just my way of using it.

    • @AlanSmitheeman
      @AlanSmitheeman 10 років тому

      Well said, Skallagrim.

  • @StaticSkyTV
    @StaticSkyTV 8 років тому +80

    He sings, he dances, he knife-fights... Truly a Triple-Threat

  • @LabashtheMighty
    @LabashtheMighty 10 років тому +295

    If Lindy is truly passionate about something, he should do the whole video in limerick. That way we can truly tell how much he cares.

    • @Biedrik4
      @Biedrik4 10 років тому +13

      If the next video is in anything less than dactylic hexameter, I'll consider him to have sold out and lost his passion.

    • @dominikcejka8828
      @dominikcejka8828 10 років тому +5

      The truth has been spoken, mr. dwarf.

    • @portkapul1283
      @portkapul1283 10 років тому +2

      no it should be all haiku poetry

    • @LabashtheMighty
      @LabashtheMighty 10 років тому +17

      There once was a man named Lindy.
      Who liked to record while its windy.
      He sometimes an ass,
      but has lots of sass
      and is by all means indy.

    • @LabashtheMighty
      @LabashtheMighty 10 років тому +2

      ***** That would make it absolutely perfect.

  • @Moridorable
    @Moridorable 8 років тому +124

    "Some people didn't even notice that it was in verse"
    >Immediately re-watch.

    • @Borsing936
      @Borsing936 4 роки тому

      clearly the point didnt get across if no one noticed it was "inverse"

  • @fds7476
    @fds7476 9 років тому +454

    How embarrassing... the first few minutes of the video, I couldn't figure out what you mean by 'in verse'.
    "You did it inverse?" I thought, "Inverse of _what_?!"

    • @QlueDuPlessis
      @QlueDuPlessis 9 років тому +5

      +Dan Wendelstein (Atvishees) I presume that English is not your home language then?
      The emphasis is placed differently with "in verse" and "inverse."
      Then, there is the context.
      "Inverse" is use like, "the inverse of ____"
      Granted, "in verse" is a less common expression these days, possibly due to a relaxation of English, formal education curricula. (in favour of teaching 'vernacular' English which is just a fancy way of saying, "let the student define the language and then grade them accordingly!")

    • @Ignonym
      @Ignonym 9 років тому +26

      +Aadil Shah
      Native English speaker here; the emphasis doesn't really matter when speaking. "Inverse" and "in verse" are pronounced virtually identically. The emphasis goes on whichever syllable makes the sentence flow better in speech.

    • @QlueDuPlessis
      @QlueDuPlessis 9 років тому +2

      Jonathan Hughes The difference is subtle, but it's there. Anyway, not worth arguing about so I'm willing to agree to disagree if you are. :)

    • @Ignonym
      @Ignonym 9 років тому +3

      Aadil Shah Eh, fair enough.

    • @beyondthelol
      @beyondthelol 9 років тому +11

      +Aadil Shah english is the only language i speak, and i thought he was saying inverse also. I dont think he enunciated the two words well enough to make it easy. I only clicked when he said he was talking 'in verse' lol

  • @Hopeofmen
    @Hopeofmen 10 років тому +38

    You see, the main reason I watch your videos, Lloyd, is you yourself. Kind, courteous, and extremely witty! As per usual, another great video.

  • @Rudofaux
    @Rudofaux 9 років тому +64

    I would love to see him do a rant done through a Interpreted Dance.

  • @timward1860
    @timward1860 10 років тому +570

    The best knife defence is running away.

    • @ashes180-x7d
      @ashes180-x7d 10 років тому +120

      While dropping caltrops.

    • @PanzerYeena
      @PanzerYeena 10 років тому +22

      What if the guy runs faster than you? Then your back is even more exposed.

    • @Maaaarz
      @Maaaarz 10 років тому +88

      Fenrir
      Hence caltrops

    • @Hedgehobbit
      @Hedgehobbit 10 років тому +48

      #1 rule in a knife fight: Cardio

    • @The_sound_Of_Thunder
      @The_sound_Of_Thunder 10 років тому +32

      Or a gun.

  • @SnapJelly
    @SnapJelly 8 років тому +67

    I really only noticed at the very end that it was in verse

  • @EliotChildress
    @EliotChildress 8 років тому +8

    This video sums up everything I've ever thought about over analyzing books for high school and college. We make up metaphors to try and apply deeper meaning when many times I'm sure the author just wanted to write a story about a someone that did something.

  • @icspps
    @icspps 10 років тому +88

    The rondell dagger was specially designed for armored fighting. That's why a lot of people brought up armor in their counter arguements.

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  10 років тому +114

      Yes, but it was outside the scope of the video. This is very common - I make a video about one-handed spear and shield and people say 'Rubbish! If you use the spear two handed..."

    • @icspps
      @icspps 10 років тому +19

      Lindybeige I understand, but people will add contexts to any discussion. Especially when the knife in question is a somewhat specialized tool compared to a tool somewhat specialized in a very different approach to the same task. The poem was great by the way. And yes... more contemporary dance would be highly appreciated.

    • @icspps
      @icspps 10 років тому +2

      FlyingAxblade Or better yet, a Lindyhop vs Contemporary dance knife fight, one using saber grip, the other using ice pick... fighting to the death.

    • @seabass8154
      @seabass8154 4 роки тому +1

      @the place One again out of context. Why wouldn't you just add that you also have a sword and shield.

  • @GnomeDeathKnight
    @GnomeDeathKnight 10 років тому +68

    Personally I prefer the icepick grip for all my weapon, particularly flails.

    • @hahahadracula
      @hahahadracula 10 років тому +14

      I always use it on my hammers and axes.

    • @Sk4llik
      @Sk4llik 10 років тому +12

      hahahadracula I use it for katanas and my totally historical(honest!) ninjato.

    • @alexanderhunt2191
      @alexanderhunt2191 9 років тому +17

      I use the icepick for everything such as: eating cereal, masturbating, running. You can't beat the icepick grip.

    • @level58deathknight18
      @level58deathknight18 9 років тому +14

      +alexander hunt Once you've mastered the icepick grip, you can do all three of those things simultaneously. One handed.

  • @napornik
    @napornik 8 років тому +39

    1851Colt Navy (Conversion) is what I always bring to a knife fight.
    Equally effective against daggers as it is against pole arms.

    • @guardian9394
      @guardian9394 8 років тому

      While that is quite a nice firearm, I think that something more modern and automatic would do a better job at downing a melee opponent. On a side note, I actually prefer the Remington 1858, as far as aesthetics are concerned.

    • @napornik
      @napornik 8 років тому +1

      Guardian
      Remington is technically more sound, what with that strap on top and that easily exchangeable cylinders, etc, etc...
      ..but nothing looks better than the Long Colt version.
      Sorry.
      * squints like Clint *

    • @mthlay15
      @mthlay15 8 років тому

      1851 colt is rubbish. a lot of history and very interesting weapon but if you're going to use a firearm against melee weapons at least use a rifle.

    • @kovi567
      @kovi567 8 років тому +3

      You all rubish! Everybody knows that the best weapon you can bring to a knife-fight, if a NUCLEAR BOMB! Best applied miles away from the actual brawl.

    • @falleithani5411
      @falleithani5411 8 років тому

      +Máté Kovács
      I prefer remote aerial missile drones, personally. Similar reach and stopping power but without the fallout, both metaphorical and literal.

  • @derpfish9435
    @derpfish9435 10 років тому +81

    Now I expect a musical about stabbing people in various bodyparts. Somewhat like west side story, only with actual knoif fights and pretty much nothing else.
    Make it happen Lindy, you're our last hope.

    • @Hopeofmen
      @Hopeofmen 10 років тому +9

      I would pay good money to see that.

    • @TheTakoda2010
      @TheTakoda2010 9 років тому

      Hopeofmen i would pay all the monies to see that

    • @IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA
      @IWANAROCKYEEEAAAA 9 років тому

      +derpfish look for repoman in youtube its quite interesting

    • @NelsonZAPTM
      @NelsonZAPTM Рік тому

      Late to the party, but: Lindys comment section is the only one worth reading.

  • @NanamanTheLEGEND
    @NanamanTheLEGEND 10 років тому +18

    Oh do i believe
    I'll call this a draw
    Before it descends
    to a language too raw
    Best stance and grip
    do allways depends
    And here it does end
    quite lenghty a tale
    That could have been solved
    With a talk and good ale

  • @neon55
    @neon55 9 років тому

    Love your smarts, sourcefullness and sense of humor, mate (not to mention dance moves). Keep up the good work.

  • @Spudcore
    @Spudcore 8 років тому +90

    People are astoundingly thick. I thought your poem was wonderfully funny.

    • @HighlyRegardted
      @HighlyRegardted 4 роки тому +2

      Your mom is Astoundingly thick...

    • @Spudcore
      @Spudcore 4 роки тому +8

      @@HighlyRegardted nah, she's astoundingly thicc

  • @Yaarbiriah
    @Yaarbiriah 8 років тому

    oh you are so respectful and patient! I get so frustrated when people are inattentive and make points that they'd NEVER have made if they'd paid attention with any mental focus all the way through! These days we tend to be so happy that people DON'T resort to ad hominem that we're willing to indulge them their lesser faults! Oy , the standards! At any rate, enjoying all your videos lately , I get many chuckles from them, great stuff!

  • @Frostarrowsz
    @Frostarrowsz 10 років тому +3

    Awww. I really liked the poetic knife video, and I still hope you do more videos in that style, if you're feeling inspired.

  • @Tiger74147
    @Tiger74147 10 років тому

    I love so many things about this video. What gets me every time is how you do things like bust out into poetry or song or contemporary dance or whatever without a care. It's AWESOME. Freakin... inspirational!

  • @AntiBunnyStudio
    @AntiBunnyStudio 10 років тому +27

    BRIT FIGHT! Settle down guys. If this gets any more heated it might break out into all civil discussion.
    I kid though. Watching both sides of this debate has really expanded my views on knife combat. Though I still stick to the old saying "there are no winners in a knife fight."

    • @ala5530
      @ala5530 10 років тому +1

      I would disagree, sadly from the point of view of personal experience. The winner of a knife fight is the one that wakes up in ICU (or better, gets to walk there under his own power). The loser "wakes up" in the morgue.
      Thankfully, I have never been in a knife fight in which someone lost. At least, not to the best of my knowledge, and the knowledge of the law. I have come close to losing, though, to someone using the sword grip (came within a couple of millimetres of cutting a femoral).
      In any case, I can certainly and wholeheartedly agree that there is no pretty ending to a knife fight.

  • @tsuchang1
    @tsuchang1 8 років тому

    For the last few days I have been watching your videos. They are so dern fun . Thank you for the laughs and education.

  • @danielflynn9141
    @danielflynn9141 8 років тому +49

    So this is what it looks like when two British men have a go at one another.

  • @DrJonesPHD62
    @DrJonesPHD62 10 років тому

    I'm really enjoying the content as of late. I subscribed because you were informative, but now I'm finding that you're a phenomenally talented writer as well. Cleverness + verse = YAY.

  • @ZioStalin
    @ZioStalin 9 років тому +3

    PLEASE "clarify" this one as well!
    I could enjoy another 4 x 20 minutes of this! xD

  • @zacharyfannon2202
    @zacharyfannon2202 8 років тому

    I literally made an account just to subscribe. I've probably watched half of your videos with great enthusiasm.

  • @akumabito2008
    @akumabito2008 10 років тому +9

    Wait... the other vid was in verse? Never noticed.. damn it, now I'll have to watch it again..

  • @astrazenica7783
    @astrazenica7783 10 років тому

    Glad to see u havent let others drag u down into taking everything, yourself, so bloody seriously. Keep doing what ur doing.

  • @skykid
    @skykid 10 років тому +9

    I've seen the response videos from every channel you addressed and not a single one of them seem disparaging or argumentative. They all pay homage to your videography, the verse itself, and your deep thought on the subject. I felt like they all simply wanted to present their educated reasoning on the subject without damaging your dignity in any way. So I suppose this would be aimed at the more vitriolic viewers and commenters, and to that I will remind you that many of them exist simply to be pains in the arse.

  • @77gravity
    @77gravity 8 років тому

    I had to go back and re-watch the Dagger video, just to appreciate the poetry. I noticed the last few lines, but had not realised the entire video was in verse. Superb.

  • @LarlemMagic
    @LarlemMagic 10 років тому +110

    You know whats better than all of this?
    A hamster. Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES! YEAAAARGH!

    • @gurkfisk89
      @gurkfisk89 10 років тому +1

      Oh, I can think of a lot of drawbacks a tank has. I would even go so far as to say that a dagger is useful in far more situations than a tank.

    • @wigster600
      @wigster600 10 років тому +1

      A knife doesn't run out of ammunition.
      A knife doesn't need fuel.
      A knife is jabby.
      A tank is blunt

    • @LarlemMagic
      @LarlemMagic 10 років тому +1

      gurkfisk89 Would you like to fight this out? You get your knife, I'll get my tank.

    • @gurkfisk89
      @gurkfisk89 10 років тому +3

      Sure, are we fighting inside of your tank?
      Oh btw, do you really have a tank? I sure have a dagger. If you do have a tank, that's awesome.

    • @Njald
      @Njald 10 років тому +5

      Why would you want a tank, are you a fish in search of a new appartment?

  • @CarrowMind
    @CarrowMind 10 років тому

    This is why I love UA-cam, multiple people coming together one a single topic and having a good time arguing about it without resorting to childish attacks, fantastic!

  • @klobiforpresident2254
    @klobiforpresident2254 8 років тому +8

    The Dancing ... I legitemately choked on my breakfast!

  • @RobinDando2308
    @RobinDando2308 10 років тому

    Your contemporary dance has brought lasting joy into my life. Thank you.

  • @Comando96
    @Comando96 10 років тому +7

    Disadvantages of being Dyslexic: Subtle Poems go over your head.
    Advantages of being Dyslexic: Subtle Poems go over your head.

  • @rawrmfrawr7746
    @rawrmfrawr7746 8 років тому

    Love your poems Lloyd. As usual, thanks for all the amazing work.

  • @MatthiasPendragon
    @MatthiasPendragon 10 років тому +4

    Lindybeige, best dancer of 2015.

  • @tobiaslarsson1302
    @tobiaslarsson1302 8 років тому

    I actually had to go back and watch the other video again, I absolutely did not realise that it was in verse. Good stuff! :-)

  • @MagisterMalleus
    @MagisterMalleus 10 років тому +80

    Matt, Lloyd, Skall, and Thrand should have a channel together.

    • @hjrleifrivarrson2965
      @hjrleifrivarrson2965 10 років тому +11

      No. That would kill the diversity and diskussion between them.

    • @theJellyjoker
      @theJellyjoker 10 років тому +47

      Or maybe a round table hangout, that would be cool.

    • @300warrior300
      @300warrior300 10 років тому +3

      haha no, i enjoy seeing them at each others throats. It's rather like watching the elves, orcs, dwarves, and men fight over the Gold in the hobbit.

    • @silafuyang8675
      @silafuyang8675 10 років тому +8

      Matt and Lindy are cool, the others... no.

    • @arminiusschild5260
      @arminiusschild5260 10 років тому +1

      I finally figured out who Lloyd is. Woo Hoo, I may already be a weiner!

  • @ferdikowisk
    @ferdikowisk 10 років тому

    you sir, are a gentleman. Congratulations on your response! I follow all you guys, for a long time, by the way.

  • @alexanderhunt2191
    @alexanderhunt2191 9 років тому +9

    That dance, your singing...orgasmic

  • @IgabodDobagi
    @IgabodDobagi 10 років тому

    I wish I could like this video 10 times just for the contemporary dance moves being thrown into a discussion about stabbing. This was truly an entertaining video.

  • @7382932
    @7382932 9 років тому +5

    I love how lindybiege has got the least amount of viewers but has probably the highest frequency of big youtubers commenting on his videos. Like skallgrim, matt thrand and thulian perspective.

    • @myowndata
      @myowndata 7 років тому

      I dont know about skall, but at least Matt´s and thrand´s chanel are definetly smaller than loyds

  • @howarddavis8369
    @howarddavis8369 Рік тому

    Years later and i STILL love this guy!

  • @HalfbreedR3
    @HalfbreedR3 10 років тому +3

    I didnt see anything wrong with the first video...and as far as armored fighting goes you covered your thoughts on that in your Rondel Dagger video a few months back. People just need to relax a bit and pay attention.
    Mats video was very interesting though, so I'm glad your video triggered the response it did because it started a flood of medieval knife fighting information!

  • @SurmaSampo
    @SurmaSampo 10 років тому

    I liked the previous video and the use of verse was excellent. I liked a lot of the content in the response videos and I like this video. Knife and dagger are great topics in martial arts as they translate directly across all periods and in practical use today.

  • @Stormeris
    @Stormeris 10 років тому +162

    I love you, dude. #nohomo. Eh, #slightlyhomo

    • @RamRam.720
      @RamRam.720 9 років тому +15

      #thatjumper #thosedancemoves

    • @siyacer
      @siyacer 3 роки тому

      #weirdo

  • @zaferoph
    @zaferoph 8 років тому

    When you mentioned that it was "in verse" it was so obvious and yet I didn't notice it at all when I watched it and I have watched it like 10 times before. I'm that kind of person that re-watches my favorite youtubers older videos like alot. Btw it was really good.

  • @ddegn
    @ddegn 9 років тому +6

    The letter at the end was fantastic.
    Your viewership is remarkably elastic.
    Do I click "Post" or should I "Cancel" this time?
    I'll click Post and reveal my bad rhyme.

    • @mrwindupbird101
      @mrwindupbird101 9 років тому

      +Duane Degn I have a question for you, if you would indulge me

    • @ddegn
      @ddegn 9 років тому

      +mrwindupbird101 Is your question for me? If so, I'm in an indulging mood. Ask away.

    • @mrwindupbird101
      @mrwindupbird101 9 років тому

      How do you put the break in sentences like that? I'm not all that savvy with posting and I was trying to put my own rhyme down but whenever I posted it, everything would come back together. Many thanks

    • @ddegn
      @ddegn 9 років тому

      +mrwindupbird101 I'm pretty sure I just pressed enter a couple times. I'll try it again now.
      That's two enter presses. So far it's working.
      I have no clue why the line breaks wouldn't work for you. I've stopped trying to make sense of the way UA-cam formats comments.
      Good luck getting your rhyme posted.

    • @ddegn
      @ddegn 9 років тому

      +Duane Degn The line breaks appeared to stick. I'm using Chrome. Maybe the browser you use matters?

  • @ovenproofpanda1623
    @ovenproofpanda1623 8 років тому

    My mind has been blown like never before. I watched the original video a couple of days ago... I did not realise it was in verse at all! I had to go back and re-watch it and I can't believe I didn't notice!?

  • @bjorngunnarson8490
    @bjorngunnarson8490 10 років тому +3

    As I stated before both grips have their merits. Ice grip is more powerful BUT over hand grip is better for parrying from my experience. In my viking reenactment group we did a lot of saex fighting and I found it much more easier to fight with an over hand grip against another dagger fighter and unless I disarmed him or had my opponent on the ground I would not think to switch to an ice pick grip

  • @absolutmauser
    @absolutmauser 10 років тому

    This is the most wobble bass I have seen in a Lloyd video. I support it. Carry on.

  • @MartyNaklo
    @MartyNaklo 10 років тому +5

    In defence of Matt, if you skip the first two or so minutes of the video, it's just a a few good points about dagger grips and dagger fighting. Actually he seems to forget halfway through he was making a reaction video as well.

  • @Paelolithic
    @Paelolithic 10 років тому

    Your contemporary dance moves are amazing, please make a video teaching that.

  • @doctorpc1531
    @doctorpc1531 9 років тому +2

    There was in verse!? I need to go back and rewatch it.. :O

  • @haijyvelho
    @haijyvelho 10 років тому +2

    It did take me a bit time to notice the other video was a poem, but if someone seriously watched the whole video and didn't notice, he probably was not even concentrating on the video but doing something else.
    I really like your poems by the way. You should write and upload some more of those.

  • @AimlessSavant
    @AimlessSavant 8 років тому +18

    someone please, make a gif of @Lindybeige dancing.

  • @isaacderr2799
    @isaacderr2799 3 роки тому +1

    “But I would have said 4/5ths” 🤣😂🤣 can’t get enough lindy.

  • @RabbiHerschel
    @RabbiHerschel 10 років тому +28

    "Stab stab stab stab stabbity stab"
    -Lindybeige, 2015

    • @KarstenOkk
      @KarstenOkk 9 років тому

      UristMcDJ AAAAAAAAAAAAAH

  • @haplon33
    @haplon33 4 роки тому +1

    The best youtube video title I've ever seen

  • @dimesonhiseyes9134
    @dimesonhiseyes9134 10 років тому +6

    i once broke my elbow blocking a kick from my sparring partner. Sparring partner had a very large goose egg on his leg for about 2 weeks and it was pretty painful. i however was in pain for about 2 months. the fore arm is not very good at absorbing a lot of energy. If you use the blade along the forearm to block ALL of the energy is transferred to the arm IF you are able to actually block. There are far better ways of blocking that help mitigate risks.

    • @mtwtf4207
      @mtwtf4207 10 років тому +1

      i would rather be stabbed in the arm than anywhere else. wtf r u talking about?

    • @ExplosiveFetus
      @ExplosiveFetus 10 років тому +3

      The idea isn't to "block" the incoming strike and absorb all the force. It's more to deflect/redirect the attack, while simultaneously closing the distance to where your dagger is more effective.

    • @dimesonhiseyes9134
      @dimesonhiseyes9134 10 років тому +1

      mtwtf4207 the idea is to not get stabbed at all

    • @dimesonhiseyes9134
      @dimesonhiseyes9134 10 років тому +1

      ExplosiveFetus I agree that's the ideal plan but with the forearm/ice pick block is only good at blocking slashing/hacking motions. Keep in mind I am strictly talking about the blade against the forearm. With it against the arm there is just not enough mobility for it to be effective against much.

    • @calumlittle2
      @calumlittle2 10 років тому +1

      I never leave the house in America without a knife. If caught here (UK) with something less than half the size it's zero tolerance, straight to jail. That's not why I don't carry one though. I'm well spoken enough that I'd get away with it. However, because of the harsh penalties, hardly anyone carries here and we keep our guns well hidden too. I'm no safer in the UK, in fact I'm much safer in Texas, I carry a knife there because it is useful as a tool and intimidating to would be attackers. That makes me let down my guard over there. I don't feel safe in the UK at all and I don;t feel protected anywhere either. So I just look around a bit from time to time and everything is great anyway. I can't wait to get back to America again so I can relax, safe in the knowledge that despite being surrounded by armed imbeciles, I am also one.

  • @W4ldgeist
    @W4ldgeist 10 років тому

    People just have no humor these days. I liked the first one and your reply even more. Keep doing what you are doing and never mind the hassle. Love your show just as much as Matt's :)

  • @J_Squatch
    @J_Squatch 9 років тому +7

    "You said it was 80%/20%, but I think it's 4/5"
    Me: (thinking)
    (Thinking)
    Wait a minute....

    • @justiniani.4501
      @justiniani.4501 3 роки тому

      I'm pretty sure his point was that saying 80% is very un-British, compared to saying 4/5.

  • @qiangluo1974
    @qiangluo1974 7 років тому

    "cut to defend and thrust to offence". you hits the essence on this! also cut is useful to create opening and set up for couple of good thrust. its like a stiff jab/long hook combo. powerful yet longer range thrust.

  • @Hjerrick
    @Hjerrick 10 років тому +4

    I'd be quite flattered to have so many people react this strongly to a poem I recited.

  • @Namemattersnot
    @Namemattersnot 10 років тому

    I rather enjoyed your video in verse. It showed that you care enough to put the effort into your videos to spend the time to write a script entirely in verse. Your efforts are appreciated.

  • @chucksolutions4579
    @chucksolutions4579 8 років тому +6

    who could ever do ad hominem attacks to Loyd? He's brilliant!! and really friendly!

  • @martinschlegel1823
    @martinschlegel1823 Рік тому

    Didn't watch your other video yet, will do so now. A whole video in verse? I'll probably love it.

  • @docquanta6869
    @docquanta6869 10 років тому +3

    "I would have said 4/5"
    Deep truth. There must be something more fundamentally beige about fractions than percentages.

  • @SolyomSzava
    @SolyomSzava 10 років тому +2

    Also, these back-and-forth video responses between you folks are quite amazing. Seeing the discussion is great, and serves the viewers well.

  • @sokmund1780
    @sokmund1780 10 років тому +11

    it had rhymes and was somwheat controvential..... IT WAS RAP MUSIC VIDEO FOR SURE!

  • @rosemarynapier4916
    @rosemarynapier4916 10 років тому +1

    Everybody always seems so ready to be up in arms over anything... I thought the verse video was hilarious and thoroughly enjoyed it. xD

  • @Vinnocentus
    @Vinnocentus 8 років тому +5

    MORE STABBING!
    so fun to take things out of context haha

  • @Chugosh
    @Chugosh 10 років тому +1

    This is a wonderful piece, sir.
    Happy dancing.

  • @innocuouspseudonym509
    @innocuouspseudonym509 8 років тому +5

    Don't worry, Lloyd, most of the best artsy stuff is misunderstood at the time of its release. I thought the whole thing was exceptionally clever; I didn't realise it was an intentional poem at first, I thought I was finding the rhymes...! When I realised it was a written verse I was blown away! Also, your singing voice sounds pretty good, do you ever sing your verses??!?

  • @OptimalOwl
    @OptimalOwl 10 років тому

    Lindybeige
    I've enjoyed this exchange on the subject of knife-fighting a great deal. You and Matt have had a frank, respectful exchange of ideas thus far, and I'd be very surprised if I were the only one who's learned something.
    I do however have one piece of useful advice which I feel I might contribute, despite my lack of knowledge on the subject under discussion:
    I think you might be paying too much mind to the heated arguments that have been going on.
    They are always going to be there, regardless of anything that you choose to do or not to do, so you should take care not to feel responsible for them, or to change your course of action or your ideas in response to them.
    If you think about it from a certain point of view, it's almost a good thing that people argue heatedly about reenactment and HEMA and gong fu. If means that people care about it, and that they're passionate, and that at least some of them will strive on to develop their respective arts.

  • @deetvleet
    @deetvleet 10 років тому +4

    This video made my day

  • @pn784059
    @pn784059 8 років тому +4

    I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who makes notes on used envelopes.

    • @20ParadigmShift11
      @20ParadigmShift11 8 років тому +2

      Phillip Nix Scrolled down to see if anyone said this. I went to the grocery store yesterday with an envelope as my shopping list.

  • @SolyomSzava
    @SolyomSzava 10 років тому +36

    The points you made about the "caveman" style - while accurate - are quite a good bit off-mark. Having watched Easton's video as well, it never really occured to me that he would be positing that "style" to be best, or even good. Only estabilished the idea, that the caveman attack is the default attack that people in many situations will use - especially the untrained folks.

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  10 років тому +27

      Yes, agreed. It is something, as I say here, worth knowing how to defend against.

    • @SolyomSzava
      @SolyomSzava 10 років тому +3

      Yeah... going caveman on a caveman would not be very productive. :D

    • @kis5140
      @kis5140 9 років тому

      +Sólyom Csaba Unless it comes to reproduction in the stone age.

    • @SolyomSzava
      @SolyomSzava 9 років тому +6

      Cobbes Fortunato
      I don't see how caveman-on-caveman action would do any good for reproduction stats in any era... Caveman-on-cavewoman tho', that is some rocky stuff.

    • @Sun-Tzu-
      @Sun-Tzu- 8 років тому

      Sólyom Csaba If it's so "caveman" then why do the militaries and police forces of the world teach it?

  • @JustAPenguinPlayingBlitz
    @JustAPenguinPlayingBlitz 3 роки тому

    A poem about stabbing made to rhyme - sure this is no crime - sometimes a song is just a song and Lloyd was not doing anything wrong - so glad to have found your channel

  • @manfallsoffchair
    @manfallsoffchair 10 років тому +3

    I don't think the point about stress and downward caveman stabbing was to suggest that it's the best way to fight, rather I think the point was that you're likely to revert to this sort of movement when stressed and scared, so it's worth refining it and developing it into a practical technique that's not as far removed from your natural fear response, so that when you find yourself responding like a scared caveman it's not such a drastic change you have to consciously take to perform a practical technique you've trained with. At least this is what I'm interpreting from his video. Techniques that work with your natural instinctual movements are very useful to learn because they're easier to perform under stress and also the fact that they're instinctual and natural means they're physically easier and often mechanically stronger. Keeping calm and performing subtle or complex martial arts techniques is great and that's what I'd always strive to do in a fight, but if that fails and you find yourself surprised, scared and not thinking clearly then it's great to have something to fall back on that works in your current state. Certainly the small number of real world fights I've been in have been very different from my free play sessions in the salle, especially in terms of my emotional state and my fine motor response. Again, just my interpretation.

    • @JustGrowingUp84
      @JustGrowingUp84 10 років тому +2

      I agree with you completely. This was precisely the point Matt was making!

    • @manfallsoffchair
      @manfallsoffchair 10 років тому

      JustGrowingUp I don't know if that was precisely Matt Easton's point. I just think Lloyd dismissed the utility of techniques which work around your natural fear responses as something you already have and everyone can do so it'd be a waste of time to train around them. But I would argue that having a natural fear response and being able to apply an adapted fear response smartly isn't the same thing.

  • @farmerboy916
    @farmerboy916 10 років тому

    I quite liked your original video as well as all of those it spawned, and I got your point the first time.

  • @Anacronian
    @Anacronian 10 років тому +24

    Now explain what grip you use in a Verse-fight!

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  10 років тому +18

      Well, you can hold the mic with the wire end pointing to your mouth, or pointing away...

    • @tuskil
      @tuskil 10 років тому +3

      Lindybeige Would you say the different mic grips should be used at a 80/20 or a four fifths regularity?

    • @vampirica89
      @vampirica89 10 років тому +2

      tuskil Both happen to be identical ratio. (80%=4/5)

    • @tuskil
      @tuskil 10 років тому

      Scattered Moon Shards ___________

    • @lughfiregod16
      @lughfiregod16 10 років тому +1

      I tend to use my mic as a throwing implement when I try to verse, usually directly out a window.

  • @SuperLanua
    @SuperLanua 2 роки тому +1

    I love how his notes are literally just scrawled on an envelope. Love that it proves how good he is at speaking.

  • @sarcastichamsandwich5413
    @sarcastichamsandwich5413 9 років тому +58

    "Because x, y, 'zed'" *American breathing heavily*

    • @hapiestar7164
      @hapiestar7164 9 років тому +14

      *mumbling* Fucking commie coordinates...

    • @CesarJoseee
      @CesarJoseee 9 років тому +2

      +Emnuzuse Alor This triggers Amerifats

    • @PeterBarnes2
      @PeterBarnes2 9 років тому +3

      I'm an american that uses 'zed' partly because nobody I know, for some reason, knows that that's how anyone says "zee".

    • @jerk45
      @jerk45 8 років тому +2

      +Emnuzuse Alor go on American, tell the English man how to speak his own language... the same English which you use, but your version is the second hand changed copy and you are bagging out on the original.. lol

    • @chucksolutions4579
      @chucksolutions4579 8 років тому +6

      +jerk45 nice name... I think Alor thought the "zed" pronunciation is cool. Most americans think the way brits talk is cool. We usually like the way you talk even when you are being jerks to us... that said. have a great day!

  • @semperludens9241
    @semperludens9241 7 років тому

    I'm glad you specify at the end of the video that those were your best contemporary dance moves because I would fall hopelessly in love if they weren't.

  • @unorock4life
    @unorock4life 8 років тому +3

    so even history youtube channels have beef with each other?

  • @leemcgann6470
    @leemcgann6470 5 років тому

    I love your videos. I found you through Matt Easton’s UA-cam which I also love!

  • @bobsaggat
    @bobsaggat 8 років тому +75

    I don't see the issue, Round up a couple hundred homeless men, give me some historical equipment and within a fortnight I will have ancient combat figured out.

    • @MrPackerProductions
      @MrPackerProductions 8 років тому +1

      Jon Deal You have no idea.

    • @MrPackerProductions
      @MrPackerProductions 8 років тому +2

      Jon Deal You have no idea what you're talking about.

    • @bobsaggat
      @bobsaggat 8 років тому +11

      Trumpkins Revenge. I'm pretty sure I do. Homeless guys can fight just as well as Adonis

    • @MrPackerProductions
      @MrPackerProductions 8 років тому +2

      Do you have any idea how complex the art of the sword is for example? You're telling me within a fortnight you'll transform a homeless person into a knight?

    • @bobsaggat
      @bobsaggat 8 років тому +28

      Trumpkins Revenge. Not immediately. But given many deaths eventually we will develop a working system.

  • @briankrebs7534
    @briankrebs7534 4 роки тому +1

    I think the benefit to the ice pick hold is that it introduces a new angle of attack that the defender may be less familiar with. Holding the knife like a sword forces you to fight like you have a short little sword, and your opponent will be more comfortable blocking and dodging the familiar and minuscule sword you've brought. But a dagger attacking from above requires an entirely new set of skills to block and dodge. Additionally, the overhand grip allows easier leverage when in close and targeting the back of your opponent. This grip allows you to lift your arm over the arms of your opponent because you are lifting the arm with your back not the shoulder. When the grip is reversed, you become limited to the shoulder for raising motions (at least until the more extreme ranges of shoulder flexion, then the hips and torso become involved)

  • @nebojsagalic4246
    @nebojsagalic4246 8 років тому +15

    Dear God do people read meaning in things where there is none.....

    • @CrownRock1
      @CrownRock1 8 років тому +24

      As I interpret it, when you say "things," that's just a metaphor for unrequited love. You are searching for meaning in a one-sided relationship. And the word "none" represents the pain resulting from that. Notice the ellipses after the word "none," to represent how the pain never ends.
      And when you say "Dear God," there is a double-meaning there. The more obvious usage is the empty oath, crying out to a deity who has forsaken you, representing the emptiness you feel inside. The second meaning is addressing that god, as in the beginning of a letter. This represents your faith despite what the world throws at you.
      That was deep man.

  • @LordPindar
    @LordPindar 10 років тому

    Haha, excellent video. I thought that the poem in the end counterbalanced the first one rather nicely.
    I would just like to offer some of my experience with wooden knife fighting if I may. While using the downward grip I was able to intercept my opponent who was trying to stab at me by using the reach advantage of the upward grip, by stabbing him in the hand, thus making him drop the weapon. I managed to pull this off repeatedly against many different opponents. I found that it was quite efficient and quite safe really, because it allowed me to keep my distance while simultaneously striking very quickly at a closer target than the one they were reaching for (which was my torso and abdomen), and surprisingly, it resulted in disarming more often than not

  • @GabrielMatusevich
    @GabrielMatusevich 10 років тому +8

    You look angry ... Maybe you feel like .... Stabbing someone ... :D

  • @duftyr37
    @duftyr37 8 років тому

    I would pay to see a lindybeige modern dance. That was amazing.

  • @dextrodemon
    @dextrodemon 10 років тому +4

    i just hope this doesn't put you off doing more poetry videos.

    • @dextrodemon
      @dextrodemon 10 років тому +1

      ..as long as the next one isn't about social mobility :p

  • @adonoghuea02
    @adonoghuea02 10 років тому

    I love the fact that a cool little poem caused so much controversy.

  • @PaulTheSkeptic
    @PaulTheSkeptic 8 років тому +13

    You son of a bitch. How dare you say things that aren't 100% representative of my thoughts and feelings? I'll email you the entire list of all my opinions and you can make videos about that. XD

  • @octopodesrex
    @octopodesrex 10 років тому

    Lloyd, you stabbed me in the eye at least fifty times this video x.o