It started great, then went into stuff about shawls and Belgium. Bliss. This stuff makes me happy, and isn't that what we all want? Well, nearly everyone :(
Wow, some people were really over-thinking your poem. And there is also the common phenomenon of people disagreeing with something someone supposedly said or didn't say but then it turns out there is no actual disagreement. Ah, the joys of human communication... :) I was actually surprised to see Matt plucking your video apart, personally I didn't see what was so controversial about what you said, Lloyd. Especially considering that it was obviously stylized for artistic purposes. In any case, both you, Matt and Thrand made good points, and as far as I see it the reason why there are good arguments on either side is that both grips are viable. They have their pros and cons which are dependent on the situation, and personal preference plays into it as well. Obviously the historical authors don't all agree on everything either.
Ice pick handling looks bit more comfortable, but it makes blade "stick" out there. Ideally your opponent should be blading from dozen holes in gut or lying on the floor with sliced throat before even seeing dagger but hey that's just my way of using it.
How embarrassing... the first few minutes of the video, I couldn't figure out what you mean by 'in verse'. "You did it inverse?" I thought, "Inverse of _what_?!"
+Dan Wendelstein (Atvishees) I presume that English is not your home language then? The emphasis is placed differently with "in verse" and "inverse." Then, there is the context. "Inverse" is use like, "the inverse of ____" Granted, "in verse" is a less common expression these days, possibly due to a relaxation of English, formal education curricula. (in favour of teaching 'vernacular' English which is just a fancy way of saying, "let the student define the language and then grade them accordingly!")
+Aadil Shah Native English speaker here; the emphasis doesn't really matter when speaking. "Inverse" and "in verse" are pronounced virtually identically. The emphasis goes on whichever syllable makes the sentence flow better in speech.
+Aadil Shah english is the only language i speak, and i thought he was saying inverse also. I dont think he enunciated the two words well enough to make it easy. I only clicked when he said he was talking 'in verse' lol
Yes, but it was outside the scope of the video. This is very common - I make a video about one-handed spear and shield and people say 'Rubbish! If you use the spear two handed..."
Lindybeige I understand, but people will add contexts to any discussion. Especially when the knife in question is a somewhat specialized tool compared to a tool somewhat specialized in a very different approach to the same task. The poem was great by the way. And yes... more contemporary dance would be highly appreciated.
While that is quite a nice firearm, I think that something more modern and automatic would do a better job at downing a melee opponent. On a side note, I actually prefer the Remington 1858, as far as aesthetics are concerned.
Guardian Remington is technically more sound, what with that strap on top and that easily exchangeable cylinders, etc, etc... ..but nothing looks better than the Long Colt version. Sorry. * squints like Clint *
+Máté Kovács I prefer remote aerial missile drones, personally. Similar reach and stopping power but without the fallout, both metaphorical and literal.
This video sums up everything I've ever thought about over analyzing books for high school and college. We make up metaphors to try and apply deeper meaning when many times I'm sure the author just wanted to write a story about a someone that did something.
Now I expect a musical about stabbing people in various bodyparts. Somewhat like west side story, only with actual knoif fights and pretty much nothing else. Make it happen Lindy, you're our last hope.
Oh do i believe I'll call this a draw Before it descends to a language too raw Best stance and grip do allways depends And here it does end quite lenghty a tale That could have been solved With a talk and good ale
BRIT FIGHT! Settle down guys. If this gets any more heated it might break out into all civil discussion. I kid though. Watching both sides of this debate has really expanded my views on knife combat. Though I still stick to the old saying "there are no winners in a knife fight."
I would disagree, sadly from the point of view of personal experience. The winner of a knife fight is the one that wakes up in ICU (or better, gets to walk there under his own power). The loser "wakes up" in the morgue. Thankfully, I have never been in a knife fight in which someone lost. At least, not to the best of my knowledge, and the knowledge of the law. I have come close to losing, though, to someone using the sword grip (came within a couple of millimetres of cutting a femoral). In any case, I can certainly and wholeheartedly agree that there is no pretty ending to a knife fight.
This is why I love UA-cam, multiple people coming together one a single topic and having a good time arguing about it without resorting to childish attacks, fantastic!
I've seen the response videos from every channel you addressed and not a single one of them seem disparaging or argumentative. They all pay homage to your videography, the verse itself, and your deep thought on the subject. I felt like they all simply wanted to present their educated reasoning on the subject without damaging your dignity in any way. So I suppose this would be aimed at the more vitriolic viewers and commenters, and to that I will remind you that many of them exist simply to be pains in the arse.
oh you are so respectful and patient! I get so frustrated when people are inattentive and make points that they'd NEVER have made if they'd paid attention with any mental focus all the way through! These days we tend to be so happy that people DON'T resort to ad hominem that we're willing to indulge them their lesser faults! Oy , the standards! At any rate, enjoying all your videos lately , I get many chuckles from them, great stuff!
+Emnuzuse Alor go on American, tell the English man how to speak his own language... the same English which you use, but your version is the second hand changed copy and you are bagging out on the original.. lol
+jerk45 nice name... I think Alor thought the "zed" pronunciation is cool. Most americans think the way brits talk is cool. We usually like the way you talk even when you are being jerks to us... that said. have a great day!
I love so many things about this video. What gets me every time is how you do things like bust out into poetry or song or contemporary dance or whatever without a care. It's AWESOME. Freakin... inspirational!
I think the benefit to the ice pick hold is that it introduces a new angle of attack that the defender may be less familiar with. Holding the knife like a sword forces you to fight like you have a short little sword, and your opponent will be more comfortable blocking and dodging the familiar and minuscule sword you've brought. But a dagger attacking from above requires an entirely new set of skills to block and dodge. Additionally, the overhand grip allows easier leverage when in close and targeting the back of your opponent. This grip allows you to lift your arm over the arms of your opponent because you are lifting the arm with your back not the shoulder. When the grip is reversed, you become limited to the shoulder for raising motions (at least until the more extreme ranges of shoulder flexion, then the hips and torso become involved)
As I stated before both grips have their merits. Ice grip is more powerful BUT over hand grip is better for parrying from my experience. In my viking reenactment group we did a lot of saex fighting and I found it much more easier to fight with an over hand grip against another dagger fighter and unless I disarmed him or had my opponent on the ground I would not think to switch to an ice pick grip
i once broke my elbow blocking a kick from my sparring partner. Sparring partner had a very large goose egg on his leg for about 2 weeks and it was pretty painful. i however was in pain for about 2 months. the fore arm is not very good at absorbing a lot of energy. If you use the blade along the forearm to block ALL of the energy is transferred to the arm IF you are able to actually block. There are far better ways of blocking that help mitigate risks.
The idea isn't to "block" the incoming strike and absorb all the force. It's more to deflect/redirect the attack, while simultaneously closing the distance to where your dagger is more effective.
ExplosiveFetus I agree that's the ideal plan but with the forearm/ice pick block is only good at blocking slashing/hacking motions. Keep in mind I am strictly talking about the blade against the forearm. With it against the arm there is just not enough mobility for it to be effective against much.
I never leave the house in America without a knife. If caught here (UK) with something less than half the size it's zero tolerance, straight to jail. That's not why I don't carry one though. I'm well spoken enough that I'd get away with it. However, because of the harsh penalties, hardly anyone carries here and we keep our guns well hidden too. I'm no safer in the UK, in fact I'm much safer in Texas, I carry a knife there because it is useful as a tool and intimidating to would be attackers. That makes me let down my guard over there. I don't feel safe in the UK at all and I don;t feel protected anywhere either. So I just look around a bit from time to time and everything is great anyway. I can't wait to get back to America again so I can relax, safe in the knowledge that despite being surrounded by armed imbeciles, I am also one.
In defence of Matt, if you skip the first two or so minutes of the video, it's just a a few good points about dagger grips and dagger fighting. Actually he seems to forget halfway through he was making a reaction video as well.
I had to go back and re-watch the Dagger video, just to appreciate the poetry. I noticed the last few lines, but had not realised the entire video was in verse. Superb.
The letter at the end was fantastic. Your viewership is remarkably elastic. Do I click "Post" or should I "Cancel" this time? I'll click Post and reveal my bad rhyme.
How do you put the break in sentences like that? I'm not all that savvy with posting and I was trying to put my own rhyme down but whenever I posted it, everything would come back together. Many thanks
+mrwindupbird101 I'm pretty sure I just pressed enter a couple times. I'll try it again now. That's two enter presses. So far it's working. I have no clue why the line breaks wouldn't work for you. I've stopped trying to make sense of the way UA-cam formats comments. Good luck getting your rhyme posted.
I'm glad you specify at the end of the video that those were your best contemporary dance moves because I would fall hopelessly in love if they weren't.
I love how lindybiege has got the least amount of viewers but has probably the highest frequency of big youtubers commenting on his videos. Like skallgrim, matt thrand and thulian perspective.
The points you made about the "caveman" style - while accurate - are quite a good bit off-mark. Having watched Easton's video as well, it never really occured to me that he would be positing that "style" to be best, or even good. Only estabilished the idea, that the caveman attack is the default attack that people in many situations will use - especially the untrained folks.
Cobbes Fortunato I don't see how caveman-on-caveman action would do any good for reproduction stats in any era... Caveman-on-cavewoman tho', that is some rocky stuff.
Well specifically in reference to the rondel that is how it comes out of the sheath when you grab it. And its a weapon designed for armoured combat. You can draw it without a glance, with a little practice i can see it being a reflex like action. Which is exactly what you want for the last line of offence or defence.
As I interpret it, when you say "things," that's just a metaphor for unrequited love. You are searching for meaning in a one-sided relationship. And the word "none" represents the pain resulting from that. Notice the ellipses after the word "none," to represent how the pain never ends. And when you say "Dear God," there is a double-meaning there. The more obvious usage is the empty oath, crying out to a deity who has forsaken you, representing the emptiness you feel inside. The second meaning is addressing that god, as in the beginning of a letter. This represents your faith despite what the world throws at you. That was deep man.
I didnt see anything wrong with the first video...and as far as armored fighting goes you covered your thoughts on that in your Rondel Dagger video a few months back. People just need to relax a bit and pay attention. Mats video was very interesting though, so I'm glad your video triggered the response it did because it started a flood of medieval knife fighting information!
It did take me a bit time to notice the other video was a poem, but if someone seriously watched the whole video and didn't notice, he probably was not even concentrating on the video but doing something else. I really like your poems by the way. You should write and upload some more of those.
Don't worry, Lloyd, most of the best artsy stuff is misunderstood at the time of its release. I thought the whole thing was exceptionally clever; I didn't realise it was an intentional poem at first, I thought I was finding the rhymes...! When I realised it was a written verse I was blown away! Also, your singing voice sounds pretty good, do you ever sing your verses??!?
When you mentioned that it was "in verse" it was so obvious and yet I didn't notice it at all when I watched it and I have watched it like 10 times before. I'm that kind of person that re-watches my favorite youtubers older videos like alot. Btw it was really good.
I don't think the point about stress and downward caveman stabbing was to suggest that it's the best way to fight, rather I think the point was that you're likely to revert to this sort of movement when stressed and scared, so it's worth refining it and developing it into a practical technique that's not as far removed from your natural fear response, so that when you find yourself responding like a scared caveman it's not such a drastic change you have to consciously take to perform a practical technique you've trained with. At least this is what I'm interpreting from his video. Techniques that work with your natural instinctual movements are very useful to learn because they're easier to perform under stress and also the fact that they're instinctual and natural means they're physically easier and often mechanically stronger. Keeping calm and performing subtle or complex martial arts techniques is great and that's what I'd always strive to do in a fight, but if that fails and you find yourself surprised, scared and not thinking clearly then it's great to have something to fall back on that works in your current state. Certainly the small number of real world fights I've been in have been very different from my free play sessions in the salle, especially in terms of my emotional state and my fine motor response. Again, just my interpretation.
JustGrowingUp I don't know if that was precisely Matt Easton's point. I just think Lloyd dismissed the utility of techniques which work around your natural fear responses as something you already have and everyone can do so it'd be a waste of time to train around them. But I would argue that having a natural fear response and being able to apply an adapted fear response smartly isn't the same thing.
My mind has been blown like never before. I watched the original video a couple of days ago... I did not realise it was in verse at all! I had to go back and re-watch it and I can't believe I didn't notice!?
I don't see the issue, Round up a couple hundred homeless men, give me some historical equipment and within a fortnight I will have ancient combat figured out.
Do you have any idea how complex the art of the sword is for example? You're telling me within a fortnight you'll transform a homeless person into a knight?
Slash cutting with classic knife/dagger does only marginal surface damage even if you are unarmed or naked. But if you have tanto edge, it suddenly makes huge difference even with light chop.
I rather enjoyed your video in verse. It showed that you care enough to put the effort into your videos to spend the time to write a script entirely in verse. Your efforts are appreciated.
A poem about stabbing made to rhyme - sure this is no crime - sometimes a song is just a song and Lloyd was not doing anything wrong - so glad to have found your channel
Hey Lloyd! I just made a Video Response to you and Thrand, in order to contribute to this conversation. I hope you find it interesting. Keep doing what you do!
I'm really enjoying the content as of late. I subscribed because you were informative, but now I'm finding that you're a phenomenally talented writer as well. Cleverness + verse = YAY.
You son of a bitch. How dare you say things that aren't 100% representative of my thoughts and feelings? I'll email you the entire list of all my opinions and you can make videos about that. XD
I find all of your sarcasm out of place if these was meant to be a civil response to Matt (or any other criticizing your video), especially since Matt was extremely civilized in his. Also, you're quite a good orator, but with a little thought it seems clear that you are just "climbing mirrors" (as we say in Italy, when someone tries to defend against an argument with arguments that are not really solid) on some of those points. A few observation: 1) clothes of today are not like the clothes they had in the past 2) you say a shorter and cutty knife is better in an unarmored fight, well, have you ever tried to actually cut a piece of cloth? It's pretty hard. You back this with evidence from the treatises, yet the only time we see a cut-centric knife is with two naked people, not even wearing clothes, every other time is thrusts with rondel-like daggers. 3) About the parry along your forearm. It's not supposed to be a static parry (Matts clearly shows it is some videos), you don't just put the dagger along your forearm and push it straight against the weapon, that parry is meant to deflect the blow (while you parry you push away your arm while moving inside the attacker's space). It's not a shield. 4) It's not really easy to predict a parry (unless you're enemy is totally untrained), so moving the weapon around the dagger is not so easy. 5) real weapons have mass. If you're blade is deflected you can't immediately redirect it (and hit someone's in the side as you seem to suggest), also if the dagger parry is well-performed by the time your enemy redirect his blow, you're inside his line and he must defend himself. 6) last but not least, the treatises are pretty clear on what type of grip was predominantly used. I would not dismiss it with "some of them were idiots". PS: also a dagger or a knife (except big ones like bowies) are not incredibly dangeorous with cuts even in an unarmored fight, the do not cut very deep (consider that everyone is moving and fighting it's not like cutting a steak)
Stefano Padelli I thought it was more likely that it had been a little while since he had seen Lloyd's video, and forgot exactly what he said; much as Lloyd had a crib sheet of points. The videos certainly do have their share of points.
I haven't seen every video response, but not once did I hear anything about what Lindy said they were implying. Also, what the shit is he talking about about the one and only stab down technique?
"cut to defend and thrust to offence". you hits the essence on this! also cut is useful to create opening and set up for couple of good thrust. its like a stiff jab/long hook combo. powerful yet longer range thrust.
His dancing is absolute superb.
Thank you, but I hope you were not referring to the dancing in this video.
+Lindybeige Soothing Scammer Voice: I'll give you a dollar, a whole entire dollar.
+Ulquiorra Cifer Don't forget it's an entire dollar.
So it's his singing
I think he was...
+Lindybeige Next time you need to do a rant it should be done entirely through interpretive dance, that was awesome.
It started great, then went into stuff about shawls and Belgium. Bliss. This stuff makes me happy, and isn't that what we all want? Well, nearly everyone :(
Was that dubstep? Am I in meme city?
Wow, some people were really over-thinking your poem. And there is also the common phenomenon of people disagreeing with something someone supposedly said or didn't say but then it turns out there is no actual disagreement. Ah, the joys of human communication... :)
I was actually surprised to see Matt plucking your video apart, personally I didn't see what was so controversial about what you said, Lloyd. Especially considering that it was obviously stylized for artistic purposes. In any case, both you, Matt and Thrand made good points, and as far as I see it the reason why there are good arguments on either side is that both grips are viable. They have their pros and cons which are dependent on the situation, and personal preference plays into it as well. Obviously the historical authors don't all agree on everything either.
Sup Skall.
Are you kidding? Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing when there is no actual disagreement is the only joy in life!
well, its simple : blade down grip for armored opponents and blade up grip for unarmored opponents ;)
Ice pick handling looks bit more comfortable, but it makes blade "stick" out there. Ideally your opponent should be blading from dozen holes in gut or lying on the floor with sliced throat before even seeing dagger but hey that's just my way of using it.
Well said, Skallagrim.
He sings, he dances, he knife-fights... Truly a Triple-Threat
How embarrassing... the first few minutes of the video, I couldn't figure out what you mean by 'in verse'.
"You did it inverse?" I thought, "Inverse of _what_?!"
+Dan Wendelstein (Atvishees) I presume that English is not your home language then?
The emphasis is placed differently with "in verse" and "inverse."
Then, there is the context.
"Inverse" is use like, "the inverse of ____"
Granted, "in verse" is a less common expression these days, possibly due to a relaxation of English, formal education curricula. (in favour of teaching 'vernacular' English which is just a fancy way of saying, "let the student define the language and then grade them accordingly!")
+Aadil Shah
Native English speaker here; the emphasis doesn't really matter when speaking. "Inverse" and "in verse" are pronounced virtually identically. The emphasis goes on whichever syllable makes the sentence flow better in speech.
Jonathan Hughes The difference is subtle, but it's there. Anyway, not worth arguing about so I'm willing to agree to disagree if you are. :)
Aadil Shah Eh, fair enough.
+Aadil Shah english is the only language i speak, and i thought he was saying inverse also. I dont think he enunciated the two words well enough to make it easy. I only clicked when he said he was talking 'in verse' lol
If Lindy is truly passionate about something, he should do the whole video in limerick. That way we can truly tell how much he cares.
If the next video is in anything less than dactylic hexameter, I'll consider him to have sold out and lost his passion.
The truth has been spoken, mr. dwarf.
no it should be all haiku poetry
There once was a man named Lindy.
Who liked to record while its windy.
He sometimes an ass,
but has lots of sass
and is by all means indy.
***** That would make it absolutely perfect.
"Some people didn't even notice that it was in verse"
>Immediately re-watch.
clearly the point didnt get across if no one noticed it was "inverse"
The best knife defence is running away.
While dropping caltrops.
What if the guy runs faster than you? Then your back is even more exposed.
Fenrir
Hence caltrops
#1 rule in a knife fight: Cardio
Or a gun.
You see, the main reason I watch your videos, Lloyd, is you yourself. Kind, courteous, and extremely witty! As per usual, another great video.
I really only noticed at the very end that it was in verse
yea same
Yee yee
Same here
The rondell dagger was specially designed for armored fighting. That's why a lot of people brought up armor in their counter arguements.
Yes, but it was outside the scope of the video. This is very common - I make a video about one-handed spear and shield and people say 'Rubbish! If you use the spear two handed..."
Lindybeige I understand, but people will add contexts to any discussion. Especially when the knife in question is a somewhat specialized tool compared to a tool somewhat specialized in a very different approach to the same task. The poem was great by the way. And yes... more contemporary dance would be highly appreciated.
FlyingAxblade Or better yet, a Lindyhop vs Contemporary dance knife fight, one using saber grip, the other using ice pick... fighting to the death.
@the place One again out of context. Why wouldn't you just add that you also have a sword and shield.
Personally I prefer the icepick grip for all my weapon, particularly flails.
I always use it on my hammers and axes.
hahahadracula I use it for katanas and my totally historical(honest!) ninjato.
I use the icepick for everything such as: eating cereal, masturbating, running. You can't beat the icepick grip.
+alexander hunt Once you've mastered the icepick grip, you can do all three of those things simultaneously. One handed.
I would love to see him do a rant done through a Interpreted Dance.
1851Colt Navy (Conversion) is what I always bring to a knife fight.
Equally effective against daggers as it is against pole arms.
While that is quite a nice firearm, I think that something more modern and automatic would do a better job at downing a melee opponent. On a side note, I actually prefer the Remington 1858, as far as aesthetics are concerned.
Guardian
Remington is technically more sound, what with that strap on top and that easily exchangeable cylinders, etc, etc...
..but nothing looks better than the Long Colt version.
Sorry.
* squints like Clint *
1851 colt is rubbish. a lot of history and very interesting weapon but if you're going to use a firearm against melee weapons at least use a rifle.
You all rubish! Everybody knows that the best weapon you can bring to a knife-fight, if a NUCLEAR BOMB! Best applied miles away from the actual brawl.
+Máté Kovács
I prefer remote aerial missile drones, personally. Similar reach and stopping power but without the fallout, both metaphorical and literal.
This video sums up everything I've ever thought about over analyzing books for high school and college. We make up metaphors to try and apply deeper meaning when many times I'm sure the author just wanted to write a story about a someone that did something.
So this is what it looks like when two British men have a go at one another.
People are astoundingly thick. I thought your poem was wonderfully funny.
Your mom is Astoundingly thick...
@@HighlyRegardted nah, she's astoundingly thicc
Now I expect a musical about stabbing people in various bodyparts. Somewhat like west side story, only with actual knoif fights and pretty much nothing else.
Make it happen Lindy, you're our last hope.
I would pay good money to see that.
Hopeofmen i would pay all the monies to see that
+derpfish look for repoman in youtube its quite interesting
Late to the party, but: Lindys comment section is the only one worth reading.
Oh do i believe
I'll call this a draw
Before it descends
to a language too raw
Best stance and grip
do allways depends
And here it does end
quite lenghty a tale
That could have been solved
With a talk and good ale
You know whats better than all of this?
A hamster. Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES! YEAAAARGH!
Oh, I can think of a lot of drawbacks a tank has. I would even go so far as to say that a dagger is useful in far more situations than a tank.
A knife doesn't run out of ammunition.
A knife doesn't need fuel.
A knife is jabby.
A tank is blunt
gurkfisk89 Would you like to fight this out? You get your knife, I'll get my tank.
Sure, are we fighting inside of your tank?
Oh btw, do you really have a tank? I sure have a dagger. If you do have a tank, that's awesome.
Why would you want a tank, are you a fish in search of a new appartment?
Disadvantages of being Dyslexic: Subtle Poems go over your head.
Advantages of being Dyslexic: Subtle Poems go over your head.
BRIT FIGHT! Settle down guys. If this gets any more heated it might break out into all civil discussion.
I kid though. Watching both sides of this debate has really expanded my views on knife combat. Though I still stick to the old saying "there are no winners in a knife fight."
I would disagree, sadly from the point of view of personal experience. The winner of a knife fight is the one that wakes up in ICU (or better, gets to walk there under his own power). The loser "wakes up" in the morgue.
Thankfully, I have never been in a knife fight in which someone lost. At least, not to the best of my knowledge, and the knowledge of the law. I have come close to losing, though, to someone using the sword grip (came within a couple of millimetres of cutting a femoral).
In any case, I can certainly and wholeheartedly agree that there is no pretty ending to a knife fight.
I love you, dude. #nohomo. Eh, #slightlyhomo
#thatjumper #thosedancemoves
#weirdo
Ice pick grip seems so vulnerable to attack. It seems only like a purely offensive stance where you only get one or two attempted swings.
"Stab stab stab stab stabbity stab"
-Lindybeige, 2015
UristMcDJ AAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I love how his notes are literally just scrawled on an envelope. Love that it proves how good he is at speaking.
Matt, Lloyd, Skall, and Thrand should have a channel together.
No. That would kill the diversity and diskussion between them.
Or maybe a round table hangout, that would be cool.
haha no, i enjoy seeing them at each others throats. It's rather like watching the elves, orcs, dwarves, and men fight over the Gold in the hobbit.
Matt and Lindy are cool, the others... no.
I finally figured out who Lloyd is. Woo Hoo, I may already be a weiner!
This is why I love UA-cam, multiple people coming together one a single topic and having a good time arguing about it without resorting to childish attacks, fantastic!
someone please, make a gif of @Lindybeige dancing.
better than any lapdance
“But I would have said 4/5ths” 🤣😂🤣 can’t get enough lindy.
That dance, your singing...orgasmic
I literally made an account just to subscribe. I've probably watched half of your videos with great enthusiasm.
I've seen the response videos from every channel you addressed and not a single one of them seem disparaging or argumentative. They all pay homage to your videography, the verse itself, and your deep thought on the subject. I felt like they all simply wanted to present their educated reasoning on the subject without damaging your dignity in any way. So I suppose this would be aimed at the more vitriolic viewers and commenters, and to that I will remind you that many of them exist simply to be pains in the arse.
"You said it was 80%/20%, but I think it's 4/5"
Me: (thinking)
(Thinking)
Wait a minute....
I'm pretty sure his point was that saying 80% is very un-British, compared to saying 4/5.
I'd be quite flattered to have so many people react this strongly to a poem I recited.
oh you are so respectful and patient! I get so frustrated when people are inattentive and make points that they'd NEVER have made if they'd paid attention with any mental focus all the way through! These days we tend to be so happy that people DON'T resort to ad hominem that we're willing to indulge them their lesser faults! Oy , the standards! At any rate, enjoying all your videos lately , I get many chuckles from them, great stuff!
"Because x, y, 'zed'" *American breathing heavily*
*mumbling* Fucking commie coordinates...
+Emnuzuse Alor This triggers Amerifats
I'm an american that uses 'zed' partly because nobody I know, for some reason, knows that that's how anyone says "zee".
+Emnuzuse Alor go on American, tell the English man how to speak his own language... the same English which you use, but your version is the second hand changed copy and you are bagging out on the original.. lol
+jerk45 nice name... I think Alor thought the "zed" pronunciation is cool. Most americans think the way brits talk is cool. We usually like the way you talk even when you are being jerks to us... that said. have a great day!
The best youtube video title I've ever seen
Wait... the other vid was in verse? Never noticed.. damn it, now I'll have to watch it again..
I love so many things about this video. What gets me every time is how you do things like bust out into poetry or song or contemporary dance or whatever without a care. It's AWESOME. Freakin... inspirational!
"I would have said 4/5"
Deep truth. There must be something more fundamentally beige about fractions than percentages.
Percentages are fractions.
Love your smarts, sourcefullness and sense of humor, mate (not to mention dance moves). Keep up the good work.
PLEASE "clarify" this one as well!
I could enjoy another 4 x 20 minutes of this! xD
I think the benefit to the ice pick hold is that it introduces a new angle of attack that the defender may be less familiar with. Holding the knife like a sword forces you to fight like you have a short little sword, and your opponent will be more comfortable blocking and dodging the familiar and minuscule sword you've brought. But a dagger attacking from above requires an entirely new set of skills to block and dodge. Additionally, the overhand grip allows easier leverage when in close and targeting the back of your opponent. This grip allows you to lift your arm over the arms of your opponent because you are lifting the arm with your back not the shoulder. When the grip is reversed, you become limited to the shoulder for raising motions (at least until the more extreme ranges of shoulder flexion, then the hips and torso become involved)
The Dancing ... I legitemately choked on my breakfast!
As I stated before both grips have their merits. Ice grip is more powerful BUT over hand grip is better for parrying from my experience. In my viking reenactment group we did a lot of saex fighting and I found it much more easier to fight with an over hand grip against another dagger fighter and unless I disarmed him or had my opponent on the ground I would not think to switch to an ice pick grip
i once broke my elbow blocking a kick from my sparring partner. Sparring partner had a very large goose egg on his leg for about 2 weeks and it was pretty painful. i however was in pain for about 2 months. the fore arm is not very good at absorbing a lot of energy. If you use the blade along the forearm to block ALL of the energy is transferred to the arm IF you are able to actually block. There are far better ways of blocking that help mitigate risks.
i would rather be stabbed in the arm than anywhere else. wtf r u talking about?
The idea isn't to "block" the incoming strike and absorb all the force. It's more to deflect/redirect the attack, while simultaneously closing the distance to where your dagger is more effective.
mtwtf4207 the idea is to not get stabbed at all
ExplosiveFetus I agree that's the ideal plan but with the forearm/ice pick block is only good at blocking slashing/hacking motions. Keep in mind I am strictly talking about the blade against the forearm. With it against the arm there is just not enough mobility for it to be effective against much.
I never leave the house in America without a knife. If caught here (UK) with something less than half the size it's zero tolerance, straight to jail. That's not why I don't carry one though. I'm well spoken enough that I'd get away with it. However, because of the harsh penalties, hardly anyone carries here and we keep our guns well hidden too. I'm no safer in the UK, in fact I'm much safer in Texas, I carry a knife there because it is useful as a tool and intimidating to would be attackers. That makes me let down my guard over there. I don't feel safe in the UK at all and I don;t feel protected anywhere either. So I just look around a bit from time to time and everything is great anyway. I can't wait to get back to America again so I can relax, safe in the knowledge that despite being surrounded by armed imbeciles, I am also one.
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who makes notes on used envelopes.
Phillip Nix Scrolled down to see if anyone said this. I went to the grocery store yesterday with an envelope as my shopping list.
In defence of Matt, if you skip the first two or so minutes of the video, it's just a a few good points about dagger grips and dagger fighting. Actually he seems to forget halfway through he was making a reaction video as well.
I totally didn't catch that the dagger fighting video was in verse at all when I saw it.
it had rhymes and was somwheat controvential..... IT WAS RAP MUSIC VIDEO FOR SURE!
For the last few days I have been watching your videos. They are so dern fun . Thank you for the laughs and education.
Now explain what grip you use in a Verse-fight!
Well, you can hold the mic with the wire end pointing to your mouth, or pointing away...
Lindybeige Would you say the different mic grips should be used at a 80/20 or a four fifths regularity?
tuskil Both happen to be identical ratio. (80%=4/5)
Scattered Moon Shards ___________
I tend to use my mic as a throwing implement when I try to verse, usually directly out a window.
That dance NEEDS to be made into a GIF, holy shit.
Lindybeige, best dancer of 2015.
I had to go back and re-watch the Dagger video, just to appreciate the poetry. I noticed the last few lines, but had not realised the entire video was in verse. Superb.
Awww. I really liked the poetic knife video, and I still hope you do more videos in that style, if you're feeling inspired.
Your contemporary dance moves are amazing, please make a video teaching that.
The letter at the end was fantastic.
Your viewership is remarkably elastic.
Do I click "Post" or should I "Cancel" this time?
I'll click Post and reveal my bad rhyme.
+Duane Degn I have a question for you, if you would indulge me
+mrwindupbird101 Is your question for me? If so, I'm in an indulging mood. Ask away.
How do you put the break in sentences like that? I'm not all that savvy with posting and I was trying to put my own rhyme down but whenever I posted it, everything would come back together. Many thanks
+mrwindupbird101 I'm pretty sure I just pressed enter a couple times. I'll try it again now.
That's two enter presses. So far it's working.
I have no clue why the line breaks wouldn't work for you. I've stopped trying to make sense of the way UA-cam formats comments.
Good luck getting your rhyme posted.
+Duane Degn The line breaks appeared to stick. I'm using Chrome. Maybe the browser you use matters?
I love that Lloyd uses thhe envelopes of letters for temporary notes, just like any other reasonable chap.
There was in verse!? I need to go back and rewatch it.. :O
I'm glad you specify at the end of the video that those were your best contemporary dance moves because I would fall hopelessly in love if they weren't.
I love how lindybiege has got the least amount of viewers but has probably the highest frequency of big youtubers commenting on his videos. Like skallgrim, matt thrand and thulian perspective.
I dont know about skall, but at least Matt´s and thrand´s chanel are definetly smaller than loyds
I demand further clarification.
The points you made about the "caveman" style - while accurate - are quite a good bit off-mark. Having watched Easton's video as well, it never really occured to me that he would be positing that "style" to be best, or even good. Only estabilished the idea, that the caveman attack is the default attack that people in many situations will use - especially the untrained folks.
Yes, agreed. It is something, as I say here, worth knowing how to defend against.
Yeah... going caveman on a caveman would not be very productive. :D
+Sólyom Csaba Unless it comes to reproduction in the stone age.
Cobbes Fortunato
I don't see how caveman-on-caveman action would do any good for reproduction stats in any era... Caveman-on-cavewoman tho', that is some rocky stuff.
Sólyom Csaba If it's so "caveman" then why do the militaries and police forces of the world teach it?
I love the fact that a cool little poem caused so much controversy.
who could ever do ad hominem attacks to Loyd? He's brilliant!! and really friendly!
Well specifically in reference to the rondel that is how it comes out of the sheath when you grab it. And its a weapon designed for armoured combat. You can draw it without a glance, with a little practice i can see it being a reflex like action. Which is exactly what you want for the last line of offence or defence.
so even history youtube channels have beef with each other?
Glad to see u havent let others drag u down into taking everything, yourself, so bloody seriously. Keep doing what ur doing.
Dear God do people read meaning in things where there is none.....
As I interpret it, when you say "things," that's just a metaphor for unrequited love. You are searching for meaning in a one-sided relationship. And the word "none" represents the pain resulting from that. Notice the ellipses after the word "none," to represent how the pain never ends.
And when you say "Dear God," there is a double-meaning there. The more obvious usage is the empty oath, crying out to a deity who has forsaken you, representing the emptiness you feel inside. The second meaning is addressing that god, as in the beginning of a letter. This represents your faith despite what the world throws at you.
That was deep man.
Six years have passed and I'm still waiting for the contemporary dance video that has never been promised.
I didnt see anything wrong with the first video...and as far as armored fighting goes you covered your thoughts on that in your Rondel Dagger video a few months back. People just need to relax a bit and pay attention.
Mats video was very interesting though, so I'm glad your video triggered the response it did because it started a flood of medieval knife fighting information!
It did take me a bit time to notice the other video was a poem, but if someone seriously watched the whole video and didn't notice, he probably was not even concentrating on the video but doing something else.
I really like your poems by the way. You should write and upload some more of those.
Don't worry, Lloyd, most of the best artsy stuff is misunderstood at the time of its release. I thought the whole thing was exceptionally clever; I didn't realise it was an intentional poem at first, I thought I was finding the rhymes...! When I realised it was a written verse I was blown away! Also, your singing voice sounds pretty good, do you ever sing your verses??!?
When you mentioned that it was "in verse" it was so obvious and yet I didn't notice it at all when I watched it and I have watched it like 10 times before. I'm that kind of person that re-watches my favorite youtubers older videos like alot. Btw it was really good.
I don't think the point about stress and downward caveman stabbing was to suggest that it's the best way to fight, rather I think the point was that you're likely to revert to this sort of movement when stressed and scared, so it's worth refining it and developing it into a practical technique that's not as far removed from your natural fear response, so that when you find yourself responding like a scared caveman it's not such a drastic change you have to consciously take to perform a practical technique you've trained with. At least this is what I'm interpreting from his video. Techniques that work with your natural instinctual movements are very useful to learn because they're easier to perform under stress and also the fact that they're instinctual and natural means they're physically easier and often mechanically stronger. Keeping calm and performing subtle or complex martial arts techniques is great and that's what I'd always strive to do in a fight, but if that fails and you find yourself surprised, scared and not thinking clearly then it's great to have something to fall back on that works in your current state. Certainly the small number of real world fights I've been in have been very different from my free play sessions in the salle, especially in terms of my emotional state and my fine motor response. Again, just my interpretation.
I agree with you completely. This was precisely the point Matt was making!
JustGrowingUp I don't know if that was precisely Matt Easton's point. I just think Lloyd dismissed the utility of techniques which work around your natural fear responses as something you already have and everyone can do so it'd be a waste of time to train around them. But I would argue that having a natural fear response and being able to apply an adapted fear response smartly isn't the same thing.
Please upload more dagger interpretive dance, I LOLed. I did notice the previous video was in verse, but not for a few minutes in.
MORE STABBING!
so fun to take things out of context haha
Staaaaaab
My mind has been blown like never before. I watched the original video a couple of days ago... I did not realise it was in verse at all! I had to go back and re-watch it and I can't believe I didn't notice!?
I don't see the issue, Round up a couple hundred homeless men, give me some historical equipment and within a fortnight I will have ancient combat figured out.
Jon Deal You have no idea.
Jon Deal You have no idea what you're talking about.
Trumpkins Revenge. I'm pretty sure I do. Homeless guys can fight just as well as Adonis
Do you have any idea how complex the art of the sword is for example? You're telling me within a fortnight you'll transform a homeless person into a knight?
Trumpkins Revenge. Not immediately. But given many deaths eventually we will develop a working system.
Also, these back-and-forth video responses between you folks are quite amazing. Seeing the discussion is great, and serves the viewers well.
You look angry ... Maybe you feel like .... Stabbing someone ... :D
Slash cutting with classic knife/dagger does only marginal surface damage even if you are unarmed or naked. But if you have tanto edge, it suddenly makes huge difference even with light chop.
i just hope this doesn't put you off doing more poetry videos.
..as long as the next one isn't about social mobility :p
I rather enjoyed your video in verse. It showed that you care enough to put the effort into your videos to spend the time to write a script entirely in verse. Your efforts are appreciated.
This video made my day
A poem about stabbing made to rhyme - sure this is no crime - sometimes a song is just a song and Lloyd was not doing anything wrong - so glad to have found your channel
In my humble opinion the best way to win a knife fight is to bring a gun.
+MrJohnycomelately21 the best way to win a gun fight is to have a bigger gun
+Harold Memes Knoxs' rule #1 Don't get shot.
+RainbowCrash Shoots you before you're in throwing range, the end.
Not when the opposition has a guns.
+RainbowCrash well you'll be a brave dead man.
I'll barely describe my glee, upon seeing the words "Stabbing Clarification" as the title for a video response to a video response.
Hey Lloyd! I just made a Video Response to you and Thrand, in order to contribute to this conversation. I hope you find it interesting. Keep doing what you do!
I'm really enjoying the content as of late. I subscribed because you were informative, but now I'm finding that you're a phenomenally talented writer as well. Cleverness + verse = YAY.
Lloyd you're cool
Your contemporary dance has brought lasting joy into my life. Thank you.
You son of a bitch. How dare you say things that aren't 100% representative of my thoughts and feelings? I'll email you the entire list of all my opinions and you can make videos about that. XD
Didn't watch your other video yet, will do so now. A whole video in verse? I'll probably love it.
I find all of your sarcasm out of place if these was meant to be a civil response to Matt (or any other criticizing your video), especially since Matt was extremely civilized in his.
Also, you're quite a good orator, but with a little thought it seems clear that you are just "climbing mirrors" (as we say in Italy, when someone tries to defend against an argument with arguments that are not really solid) on some of those points.
A few observation:
1) clothes of today are not like the clothes they had in the past
2) you say a shorter and cutty knife is better in an unarmored fight, well, have you ever tried to actually cut a piece of cloth? It's pretty hard. You back this with evidence from the treatises, yet the only time we see a cut-centric knife is with two naked people, not even wearing clothes, every other time is thrusts with rondel-like daggers.
3) About the parry along your forearm. It's not supposed to be a static parry (Matts clearly shows it is some videos), you don't just put the dagger along your forearm and push it straight against the weapon, that parry is meant to deflect the blow (while you parry you push away your arm while moving inside the attacker's space). It's not a shield.
4) It's not really easy to predict a parry (unless you're enemy is totally untrained), so moving the weapon around the dagger is not so easy.
5) real weapons have mass. If you're blade is deflected you can't immediately redirect it (and hit someone's in the side as you seem to suggest), also if the dagger parry is well-performed by the time your enemy redirect his blow, you're inside his line and he must defend himself.
6) last but not least, the treatises are pretty clear on what type of grip was predominantly used. I would not dismiss it with "some of them were idiots".
PS: also a dagger or a knife (except big ones like bowies) are not incredibly dangeorous with cuts even in an unarmored fight, the do not cut very deep (consider that everyone is moving and fighting it's not like cutting a steak)
To be fair, Matt's response was way too aggressive and dismissive of Lloyd's opinion; nothing serious, but neither Lloyd's sarcasm is :)
I did not find it so, I mean I'd say it was dismissive because the arguments were pretty strong on Matt's side
Stefano Padelli I thought it was more likely that it had been a little while since he had seen Lloyd's video, and forgot exactly what he said; much as Lloyd had a crib sheet of points. The videos certainly do have their share of points.
I haven't seen every video response, but not once did I hear anything about what Lindy said they were implying.
Also, what the shit is he talking about about the one and only stab down technique?
lorenzo galotti they r mates
Thing is most knife attacks play out like this "hey buddy what's that?", followed by a series of underhand stabs before you can even say "what?".
This is the most wobble bass I have seen in a Lloyd video. I support it. Carry on.
"cut to defend and thrust to offence". you hits the essence on this! also cut is useful to create opening and set up for couple of good thrust. its like a stiff jab/long hook combo. powerful yet longer range thrust.