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In Stockholm's main history museum was an exhibition about the Battle of Visby (or Gotland) in 1361. The battle is remarkable because many of those who died in it were thrown into one of five mass graves with all their kit on, and these were dug up in 1928-30. I also complain about a lack of information and labelling in museums.
In response to comments, in which people insisted that the armour shown in this video is 'lamellar' and not 'brigandine', I scrutinised some photographs in close-up and wrote to the museum. I have had a reply.I have had a reply from the museum. The lumpy parts are corrosion, and the smooth parts are modern plates added to hold the armour together. The finds are very fragile, and the little wire lacings are modern, and hold the original plates to the modern backing plates. It seems that these are indeed brigandines or 'coats of plates'. However, another armour from grave 25 is far more lamellar-like and has been reconstructed that way, but was not on display in this exhibition.
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1361 is just 10 years after the black death peaked in Europe. I imagine people of that generation had developed an aversion to decomposing bodies.
If they had such an aversion of decomposing bodies it makes you wonder why they went out of their way to make corpses in the first place. ;)
Because peasants revolted, and the lord wanted to quell the rebellions? People were no where near as nice back then as we are today.
Who told you people are nice today? People are just people. We are cruel assholes not caring about anyone but ourselves for most of the time. There wouldn't be terrorism and gigantic history of wars around the globe if any progress on that front was ever made by humanity. Conflict is in the very essence of humanity. Conflicts drive humanity.
Yujen Boston Honestly without war life wouldn’t be as interesting
@@gurthus9540 ... Do you feel the same about crime? Because crime is just war on a smaller scale.
I do hate when history museums are merely art museums pretending to educate the public. This is a Huge problem in the U.S., where exhibits are all intended for the engagement of children not for a simultaneous education of the entire population.
I was about to comment about the same thing. Its a damn shame really.
Now every museum has no excuse not to have a label with a QR code which links to a full article on each piece, or at least whatever catalog info they have in records.
For some reason here in Denmark we are quite good at labelling stuff in museums, might be we just don't have enough to display, so we make up for it with lots of small white signs XD
Please do not assume this particular Swedish museum is merely there to educate the public. I've visited many museums which served more as archeological treasuries than anything else, and do not pretend to educate the public.
"merely"?!
To the question in the end: if you live in a world where medical wisdom is that bad smell spreads diseases, I imagine the troops looked at each other and agreed the Hanseats had much better loot anyway.
To be fair you can't really blame the people of that time for believing that noxious vapors cause disease, the idea did have a certain logic to it. In fact it wasn't until the mid 19th century that miasma theory was replaced by germ theory.
Stu Saville In the absence of modern microbiology, it's a pretty good theory. They observed that people tended to get sick after being around stagnant water, sewage, rotten food, mangy animals, and sick people who have festering wounds. While they may not have understood the mechanism of how disease was transferred from a smelly thing to a person, they had a fairly accurate idea of what things are likely to carry diseases.
What everyone seems to forget is that smell isnt the only effect of a decomposing body. One of the theory is that the corpses had swollen up so mutch that is was impossible to get the armour off them.
Joel Eriksson Stomberg Yes I'm inclined to agree. You have to factor in that these people were Scandinavian's. A people who delight in the aromas of Surströmming and Hákarl. Somehow I doubt the smell alone would have been much of a deterrent to them :)
There could have been some political reason to just hurry and hide all the corpses too. Or simply burying it in haste to leave, while denying access to others. They frequently burned crops during war for similar reasons.
2:50 Clearly hit by a thrown pommel.
At least he was ended rightly instead of thrown into a mass grave.
Skall would be proud...
***** RIP Ended rightly
+EmployeeJoe630 wow now the Skall memes are comming over here? xD Who would have expected that ^^
Skall is a pretentious hack
The lack of info reminds me of the Korean War Memorial exhibits where it sometimes just says "sword"
In 400 years people will dig up RPGs and ak-47s and those will be the ancient swords of their era
GoatSuit Gaming while holding an updated version of an AR-15 (probably called AR-150 or something,let's not look too far into this joke..)
Merp Marp they will develop better weapons, they wont hang on to the name, guns in the future might fire the nato standard 12.7x107 instead of todays standard.
Mister Dinner well,of course, that was the joke.
If where talking about digging up old weapons. I guarantee Pulse weapons and railguns and plasma weapons will be the standard
Exploding swords that are shaped like canine dicks.
I wish you were my history professor
I'm at least enjoying an education from him for free!
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"Just how bad can a smell be?" Well, I am told the miasma of a lot of dead bodies is like the worst thing you can imagine tenfold. I would not want to clean off rotten flesh from pieces of armour. Plus, who knows? The stench might never really go away. I know Mythbusters once left a dead pig in a car to see if it's possible to have it smell nice again. They had to rip out all of the interior stuff and probably used enough cleaning chemicals to kill what's left of the Baltic Sea. Oh, and gas masks. Now imagine that without the modern stuff. No, just no.
Maybe just hold your breath?
Vieltrien
Well, all I can say is good luck.
the smell of the pig was so strong in that one it stunk the shop out if i recall correctly
+Birdblizzard Naaa, how do you think they did during the Great Plague?
People had ways to "neutralize" bad smell of decaying. They used spices, breathing thru them, like sifting the air.
Federico Spadone
But that is a smell associated to a certain location because there is a massive pile of bodies there. Imagine walking around in clothes smelling of rotten flesh. Not pleasant.
"Just how bad can a smell be?"
The stench of rotting corpses is indescribable and beyond repulsive.
Plus people back then thought bad smells actually transfered diseases so it'd be like injecting viruses into your body for some money.
ah yes i can honestly say it is so very bad it will defantly put you off from eatting for awhile, the smell it`s self can and does permiate your cloths you are wearin, even if your not handelin the bodies, i know from first hand exsperiance.
Something that I found absolutely BAFFLING over seas, is the fact that brain matter smells almost. sweet... like rotten fruit.
I had people leave a tonne of meat in the fridges at uni over Christmas. The fridges were switched off. The smell was so bad that I physically could not bring myself to clean them, and that was indoors during winter.
I wanna watch Lindybeige play Crusader Kings 2
That would be awesome! :D
Viking Conquest could be cool to see too
Exactly
l think age of empires II would be cool too.
Flamerule13th
Is the map really that bad in CK2? I don't know much about mapping from that period.
I had the same problem in a Museum in Istanbul recently.
They had a large amount of bowels and carpets there - and their descriptions were simply "bowel" and "carpet".
I think after the 100th bowel I became pretty good at recognizing them myself and I would have wished for some further information.
How would bowels have been preserved? And why displayed in conjunction with carpets?
+A.J. Steinman, well not all are well-versed in English, my bowels tell me. Unless they had ships on display together with carpets ...
I’m thinking Taxtro meant “bowls”, an object like a plate but with more deepness for soups etc.
VZ_ 342
I love how you explained what a bowl is. Lol.
Constantinople*
Ohh it is really heavy, but it is beige. Lol
I died
Triple lol
On behalf of all Swedes, I'd like to apologize for the poor state of our museums.
There's a de-intellectualization movement happening here, where it's more "cool" to be outright stupid.
What you saw at the museum is a side-effect of that. Parents take their kids to the museum, go "Stefan, look at those big swords aren't they amazing". End of history lesson.
We have that here in Canada too; I'd like to say "It's just the hicks"; but in the cities, if you get into any kind of disagreement, or someone doesn't believe you about something, they will literally refuse to look it up, even while holding a phone; connected to the damn internet.
We've been given the information age; but everyone's too proud to find out the truth.
I mean, livrustkammaren is a pretty damn amazing museum that gives you a lot of good information. Not sure I agree with you tbh
A number of museums I've visited had devices you carry and listen to a description of a display when you are near it. So no need for big placards and you get much better details.
They have their place, but if you're given both options, traditional labelling usually has more detail. And I personally do better with written information than with auditory information, probably because if I want to read more slowly, I can...
That's true. I'm a very visual learner but audio is better than nothing. :)
Swedish Museums in general are somewhat poor at providing information. I don't think it's due to laziness but it's most likely due to a lack of general interest from the public. They just go to the museum, point and the old rusty bits and say "That's nice." then go home.
I couldn't disagree more, I had the displeasure to talk and share a meal with a museum curator who thought exactly the same, and thus, totally despised the people she in fine worked for: the public!
If you don't provide the means to fixate one's attention, and get an informed, learning experience, instead of only a passing aesthetic one, you just won't have ANY people staying a bit, and learning, easy then to dismiss them as "beotians" that just run past objects!
She thought of the public as dumb fools although she did more than her fair share to ascertain that visitors became or remained those fools, even if those interested are a minority, that's sabotage!
As a result, when labels where there, they contained basically no valid information at all beyond the obvious...
But then there is the Über Über smug form of sabotage...
The worst case I ever saw of it was the Swords at the Japanese department of the Guimet Museum, in Paris:
They are described only in technical "afficionado" terms, such as their curvature, structure, back (mune) , polishing styles, Kissaki (type of point), style of hamon, etc. WITH NO TRANSLATION!
It's only item inventory number, followed by romanized japanese (should we feel gratefull, after all, it could have been left in ideograms, maybe?) for example, "kiriha-zukuri, kaku-mune, o-Kissaki"
Worse STILL on many of them, the inventory number is on the reverse,where you can only see the obverse!
You can't see it, and the swords are described by their unexplained technical names, you have to KNOW prior, what a kissaki is, how it's shape and length is evaluated, the different type of shapes of the back of japanese swords are, etc, to even RECOGNIZE wich sword is the label about!
And EVEN WORSE, some blades are of similar length, shapes, sizes, points, and are only different in their tampering lines and polishing styles, and guess what:
They are displayed in a lit cabinet, all fine and dandy, except that the light, angulation, and reflections on the cabinet make it hard to see the Hamon!
To understand ANYTHING, you have to either be a scholar on the subject and/or have a serious book on the matter at hand, and what's key in identifying some artefacts is displayed in a way it's HARDLY visible!
IT could be some crass incompetence, yet it took such knowledge to write the labels, and it's so impractical, dense in information, yet sterile for the uninitiated, that I really do believe it must be some form of practical joke from a smug, pretentious curator, allowing maybe 50 peoples in Paris a good laugh, except for those amongst the conoisseurs that have a bad back, and can't contort to best see the hamon...
Basically, it was as if the curator made an effort in telling the profane visitor to get lost!
Despicable!
siouxsettewerks
I agree, it is sad and information should be available.
If I lived in Sweden and was surrounded by beautiful Swedish women I wouldn't spend much time in museums either.
As a swede who goes to a lot of museums - I think this is because the people who manage the exhibitions want to adapt a ''modern'' exhibition style, where the ones in charge just assume that the visitors have too short of an attention span to read labels. A few years ago, most of the exhibitions I visited were a lot better labeled. It really grinds my gears. I used to work part-time at a museum during a summer and I saw a lot of people who tried to fill in all the blanks in the exhibition by making (wrong) assumptions. So much for the educational purpose of museums...
OhaidereHowAreUTday
That's sad.
In 1361 I would think that memories of the plague would still be fresh in mind. Any signs of disease would have people burning or burying bodies as quickly as possible and it's unlikely that much would have been salvaged, if that was the case.
Pity about the lack of labelling. I'd have thought it was due to poor information provided after the dig but if the whole museum was like that, it's clearly not the case.
If there was no evidence of canvas, or other outer cloth, then lamelar might be a reasonable description.
It is really heavy, but it is beige. Thank you, Lloyd. I just spat out my coffee.
Man... the dude in the thumb nail had GREAT teeth.
Medieval people in the average had the good teeth,it started getting shit at modern period with the expansion and colonization involving sugar
This is a good video on the topic. And an awesome channel in general...
ua-cam.com/video/fcVwcvWePhU/v-deo.html
I know, right! No wonder people don't find museums interesting when they don't really tell anything about their exhibits!
Too bad I wasn't at that battle. I can't smell.
so, you can't taste either, right?
I can taste. The experience I have while eating doesn't include smell, but it still includes sweetness, sourness, bitterness, saltiness and savoriness.
I think there's something more than smell at play. Remember that even though this was before germs were discovered, a rotting human body is the most dangerous bio-hazard you're likely to encounter. They'd know that lots of dead men around can make a whole town ill.
fantasticCuco Yeah I can't smell either (except for thinners and other very strong chemical odors), but the taste is just fine. You can make an argument that eating a food without the sense of smell is like watching a film without sound, -the experience might be lesser, but it still doesn't mean you can't "see"/taste.
Themysterymove I agree. Remember, this is 1361; this is only a decade after the Black Death ravaged Europe. People would still have been a bit wary around decomposing corpses.
hey lindy, love your way of telling stories. perfect combination of entertainment and information, please upload more frequently!
This is one of the first Lindybiege videos I found and it's also my favorite. Wish he'd do more of these little "autopsy" videos.
There was a recent documentary about this on Swedish television. Yes, your right the armor looks like from bronze age. The armor was from the yrs 600-1000, it was outdated armor passed trough generations. It was a mix of armor sets from different periods, worn by peasants. The danish army was professional that had high tech armor for its time. Danes had full body protections while the swedes did not. Most of the dead swedes had wounds on their legs because they did not have leg armor so the danish professionals started chopping at the legs.
As someone who created labels for the stone age collection of our local museum i absolutely agree! There are too damn few labels!
Looking at this collection (with possible labels and...) while being informed with the kind of very interesting informations that you gave us in this video is so infinitely better and more entertaining.
I found this gem of a channel today! Great stuff Sir!
Whenever I hear the word "sabatons" in this video I think of the band.
Thru the gates of hell!
Elias Marklund As we make our way to heaven!
+Bladsmith Through the Nazi lines!
TheShadowOfMadness PRIMO VICTORIA!
+LordVader1094 on the sixth of june!
Absolutely giving this a like, I want more information as to how museums can be wrong/improved. Thanks for the video, Mr. Beige!
Well, while it is true, that the site was excavated back in "the old days", their research was top notch at their time and the mass-burials from Visby started out to be groundbreaking anthropological/osteological research and got well published.
The publication from 1939 is still quite enjoyable to read. Main focus lies on the armor, but often not in context with the body/how it was worn together with other pieces. Noticable is, that out of the three graves, they discovered back then the remains of at least 1085 individuals. In chronicles the number of 1800 dead gotlanders is stated. But way less armor then bodies were found, ergo it must have been the case, that what was salvagable, was salvaged, but after a few days in the hot summer sun, the bodies rapidly became toxic, so they needed to be taken under quickly.
Lindybeige Excellent video, as always, and it's much enjoyed! One thing I feel that I should add though about a possible reason for the large amount of armor left behind on the battlefield; The winning side was reportedly a professional army and would have been very decently outfitted, while the peasant/farmer team was playing with throwback jerseys and basically scraps thrown together when compared to the other guys. I feel that a lot of the professional soldiers would have taken one look at the cheaper peasant armors and gave it a good laugh before walking triumphantly away in their nice expensive sets. Of course, I wasn't around then so it's only speculation. Whatever their reasoning was, it doesn't affect that your channel is wonderful and brings me hours of joy. Good show!
Historically, peasant warriors get a +1 to combat resolution due to their generally ornery nature.
Well, Swedish peasant warriors did so well that they were always free men and had their own representation in parliament (In lack of a better term). In this particular battle though they were locked out of the city and had to fight on open ground which ofcourse does not suit peasant armies very well.
LOVE These Videos! Thank You! Great job.
One of these days I'm going to sneak into a museum, and put a spaffsligger in one of the displays, just to see how long it takes them to notice that it's not part of the exhibit. (I incorporated the spaffsligger as a weapon in d&d adventures by the way, and everyone loves it.)
That's Lloyd's staff/sling/spear thing?
CrateofStolenDirt
What will be your surprise to be re-directed to another of Lloyd's videos, as both the weapon and the name was created by him.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! I did that at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC when I was young and stupid.
This reminds of the time when Tom Green brought his own painting to an art gallery. Just put it on the wall and nobody noticed. Only when he started to sabotage his own work he was thrown out.
Wish my history professor was half as entertaining as Lindybeige is.
Very interesting. More history videos please!
Your videos are fantastic. Thank you for the interested insight and information. Cheers!
Your videos are awesome and your knowledge is amazing. You’d be a blast to spend a day at a museum with. If you are ever in Ottawa in Canada, id pay your entry to the imperial war museum just for the privilege of hearing you talk about the displays and artifacts. Thanks for the videos, i throughly enjoy them.
Swedish museums are like that in general. Some of them have audio guides which is neat, some of them have a line of text for some, not all of the items displayed, and some have nothing at all. It varies from museum to museum of course.
I'm guessing you went to the Historiska Museet, I thought their audio guides were pretty good last time I went. Of course, I've never gone to see their massacre exhibition, nor do I know if that one even has audio guides.
There's a Dalek! also very interesting video. Resently found you and now I can't stop watching.
The reason why it's now called "Battle of Gotland" is because there was a lot of faffing about, skirmishes etc. going on all over the island before the final battle outside the walls.
Fun fact: there is a grocery store called 'Atterdags' in Visby. When I lived there I made numerous attempts at humorous historical quips with the personel there, but no one seemed to get the comedy in naming your store after someone who rape&pillaged the entire island.
Thank you for mentioning the heritage-bias.
In many museums the artefacts only represent like 1% of how it looked like. The real weapons were often used untill they could no longer be mended, whereas fancy pieces of art were passed through the generations. Moreover people liked to write about war and not about every day life like what leaves were used before toilet paper was introduced (guess some people made some bad experience choosing the wrong leaves...). Yes, talking about war is more interesting.
I love these short segments. Lindybeige, you should hire an editor to help you break down your videos into smaller videos on sub-topics so more people can get these tidbits of information before they dive into the longer lectures! This would get your content out to more people who can benefit from your knowledge
god i love that you say valdemar correctly as a guy who lives in denmark that warms my heart up a lot
Merchants were paying 1/5th the tax as the peasants you say, and letting them get slaughtered to boot. So it seems not so much has changed in 700 years or so.
Lol
If skyrim was realistic, you would kill like five guys and be able to afford your own house.
Could you imagine if D&D or something like that had such markets?
+Tevo77777 Yeah but if skyrim were real you'd only be able to fight one opponent at a time and live to tell the tale and the only way to clear tombs would be to have your own army. Also most of the fights you entered would be hours of skirmishing then you or the enemy decides to go home because they don't have the upper hand. When you take that into account you'd work your ass off for those three sets of armor that you have to grab before the rest of your army does lol.
I know this is an old comment, but in Skyrim you can find bandits at higher levels that wear Nordic Carved Armor that can sell for over a thousand gold each. Considering that the home in Whiterun only costs 5,000 gold, it actually WOULD be possible to do that lol, maybe with as few as 3 killed
Thank you for sharing your trip with us. It was informative, even if you did all the informing instead of the museum! The working-man level armors rarely get notice, and it was good of the museum to make the restored pieces available. I especially liked the budget sabatons, with just enough protection to ward off a blow to the insole. (But how much more was needed anyway for a man fighting on foot?) The pouch of coins was also a surprise, and a bit of a shock to this veteran gamer.
Great video! Just visited this exhibit today!
Nice work on the accent at 6:24 - quite spot on!
Greetings,
Sweden
Labels: I think museums are moving towards minimal labeling to get you to buy a guide book. Great content, M
top stuff mate, and thanks for a fascinating insight.
Regarding the final nugget: I have seen plenty of crossbows with the nut made from bone. I haven't kept a count, but I have probably seen more made of bone than of metal.
Lindy, thankyou so much for putting out another vid, please can you make more about Sweden?
In my branch, musical instruments, we have the same effect: the elaborate instruments made for royalty or rich amateurs made it into museums, but the fiddle of the everyday musician didn't. A rare exception: a Baroque violin bow of larchwood found amidst the organ pipes in Kloster Neuburg here near Vienna just a few decades ago.
I'd say that Livrustkammaren is probably the best museum in Sweden. Lots of really rare and fascinating stuff and they give you an abundance of information about them. Not to mention that the guided tours are just flipping great.
I read an article on the battle of Visby, and the one point I came away with was that the defenders had armor that was maybe 50-100 years out of date. Presumably they used old armour they brought out of storage from their fathers and grandfathers. Apparently there was no leg protection or greaves? and many of the defenders were initially brought down with leg injuries and then killed. The attackers presumably had greaves and overall better newer armor.
People thought nuts couldn't be made from bone? Really? I bet horn in bow construction would amaze them.
Excellent video. More like this please!
Where haven't you visited? Honestly you've been everywhere, I'm impressed.
The point about horseshoes is one i've never seen anyone mention. Congratulations =]
I saw a japanese sword sharpener say that the historical swords that are brought to him, hardly ever saw any real battle. The ones that were actually used in war had to be sharpened many times and started to gather rust after some time, so they didn't make it to this day.
Well done. I have alas seen that slipshod labeling in more than one museum
I always thought that thing on your wall was a old bell, but now looking at it in fullscreen its a DALEK!! nice!
Even if bodies were rotting and smelling, and I heard some coins jingling in a guy's pocket as I threw him into a ditch- I'd jump in and grab those coins.
Eric Einárson rotting dudes, hundreds of them in a probrably pretty deep ditch of rotting flesh, I am doubtful
Gabe Merritt I’m Jewish I’ll do anything for some shekels
@@henchandpeng8697 The battle happened in 1361, the black death which kills half of the entire European ended in 1351. Doctors at the time, claim the plague was from bad smells and etc.
So tell me, would you still jump in there and possibly kill your entire family or worse? Because the thought might pop up for some of them, I think.
I have a European friend who is an Archeologist. They did a dig at some island, I believe, and unearthed a lot of human remains. He did a video showing the wounds these soldiers suffered. Absolutely ghastly and, that was just based on what the bones were revealing. One thing that stood out in my mind was the pure ferocity. Like, a skull did not have just one wound. Each skull showed multiple vicious blows. Oi!
The armor called "lamellar" would have actually been refereed to as a coat of plates. You're absolutely correct in saying they were a type of armor considered "transitional armor" worn by heavy infantry beginning in the mid 14th century before full plate came into full in the mid 15th. however most of the finds at Visby were not brigantines as most historians agree the coat of plates fell out of favor in favor of the brigantine, and eventually the full plate armor of the late middle ages. The coat of plates would likely have been worn over a gambison with or with our a mail hauberk (or shirt of some kind). You ought to visit the island itself, the museums there are fairly friendly to English speakers, likely because the whole walled city is a world heritage site.
I love your final point. Most non-reenactors are shocked to be told by me that a full suit of plate was roughly equivalent in price to a Ferrari or Lamborghini
Very valid point of criticism. I agree that they should put as much information as possible. It doesn't take up a lot of room within the exhibition, it's not an awful lot of extra effort on the museums side since they most likely have that information anyway and whoever doesn't want to read it but just look at the exhibits doesn't have to do so
One theory for why the bodies weren't stripped of their military equipment is that Valdemar didn't allow the local population to do so once his troops had taken what they wanted (weapons and helmets which are mostly missing). He didn't want to come back and fight then again.
The name difference is easy to understand based on the map you showed. Assuming the old roads are along the same general routes they were in medieval times (as often they are), and given Visby is on the near side of mainland Sweden, I'd guess that control of Visby (being the hub it was) meant control of Gottland. The Battle of Visby was pretty much a battle for control of the whole island.
Also, that IS really unusual that all this good iron was left with these bodies! The smell can't have been that uniquely bad because burials like this are largely unheard-of, and bodies were typically stripped while they were still fresh. Even in the hottest of summers advanced decomposition doesn't set in for a good many hours. I'm as stumped as you are.
I enjoyed this and found it made me consider things I had not thought of before. One thing you yourself may not have considered based on some of your comments is that people who fought in these battles may well have been considerably stronger than modern humans. I have seen tapestries of soldiers training in strenuous forms of calisthenics for example. I have been to museums and seen maces that were so heavy I could barely lift them yet some knight was swinging it at the enemy while riding on horseback. You mentioned the "sling stones" being too large, well maybe not for a burly well trained Medieval farm boy. Just something to consider. :)
Ehy hi Lindy you are one of my best youtubers I watch all your videos and you are very cool. Since I like history and military history I was trying to remake ancient battles and tactics in my channel, can you tell me if if I made correct tactics? and maybe you can make other videos about ancient military tactics rather than only about single 1 vs 1 fighting. I am interested especially kn evolution of roman tactics.
Valdemar the 4th was also called “Valdemar Atterdag” which translates to “Another day” as he survived the Black Death to “lead the danish people out of the dark” I guess you could say.
This collection was in Visby a few years ago, it was to my recollection adequately labeled back then.
I think the reason that much of the armor was not salvaged was that a lot of what was worn by the inhabitants was old or obsolescent, ie like the ones in the museum. Most good-quality armor is not there simply because it was taken.
can we get more battle discussions like this?
I read the title as "Medieval mascara" - was somewhat disappointed by the lack of a makeup anecdote.
OOh, but it IS beige!
Lindy, I think they made it quite clear in the exhibits that the soldiers riveted their armor straight onto their bodies. You know, so they don't lose it.
According to Swedish school books, the reason the guntish farmers had so "good" armour was because the used REALLY old stuff, some even dating back to the viking ages. Gotland never had any wars so every farmer had stocked up on a good amount of rusty mail and swords.
As you were talking about a battle in Sweden, when sabatons were mentioned I immediately thought about Sabaton ( a Swedish power metal band that writes/performs songs about military history ). idk, they're a pretty cool band I guess.
highly interesting video thx!
I remember I read that most medieval battles were one sided slaughters, not epic clashes of huge armies in which anyone could turn the tides...
Lindybeige would be the greatest Social Studies teacher ever to walk the face of the earth.
I've been to Visby a few years ago. It's a beautiful place, full of history. I'd highly recommend visiting. Greetings from Finland.
actually lloyd, im VERY surprised that you didnt mention that, one of the most significant nuggets of information is the information about where the people were hit and injured showing that a majority of woulnds happened on the extremities with almost none on the centre mass of the body, armoured or not, (probably due to the shield
One common item found on the edge of American Civil War battlefields is the clothing bayonet. Usually found after battles fought in hot weather. A standard bayonet, heated in a fire and formed into a hook. Used on the end of a rifle to snag the clothing of a dead soldier and drag him off the field for burial.
The first excavations began in 1905. There were subsequent excavations in 1912 and 1924.
@Lindybeige: could you make something clear: at 1:07 you say the Merchants in the town were paying 1/5th as much tax as the farmers outside. Did you mean 1/5th of the taxes, so 20% of the farmer's taxes or 1/5th so 120% of the farmer's taxes? English isn't my first language, and from the context I gather you probably meant 20%, but I´d still like it clarified. Thanks!
Great channel, love your videos!
I totaly agree with the problem of the lacking of labels in museums; however here in Italy we are seeing a sort of “revolution” about this, for example in the museums of Aquileia, Mantua and Altinum almost every object (or every group of objects of the same type) has his theca with a whole pannel covered in writings and informations about it (often there are also schemes and simplified rappresentationsof the object.
Touching on the 'erg' that is Archival Bias, nice one Lindy.
I will ride up to my fellow Swedes in Stockholm and slap some Lindybeige historical accuracy into them! Best regards, a southern Swede.
"Oh but it is beige~"
I recently read an article about this and the bodies. IIRC they concluded from their findings that the bodies in the bottom of the pit had been ''cleaned'' (likely by the nuns from the Solberga Abbey nearby) and then as the days went on and decomposition got worse they just threw everything into the pits.
Depending on the weather you might have 3 days before bodies begin to stink from decomp. The warmer the weather the faster decomp sets in.
The captions at 10 seconds read Maryville Master Craft. I do enjoy how pronunciation causes the auto captions to come up with delightful giberish.
When I was at that museum the lack of labeling never really occurred to me, I was mostly blown away by the size and quality of the collection there. Though this might just be because in Australia we don't really have proper museums.
Not sure what your definition of a 'proper museum' is because Australia has many outstanding museums.
you clearly haven't been to melbourne museum.
Like the Swedish/Welsh accent.of the brigandine wearer!
Sabaton is also a great swedish power metal band
Someone get a handle on the museum staff and pass them this link! Geeze, I can't believe a museum would be so lax on providing the actual history of their objects.
I could see them not noticing the coins on the one guy because chainmail makes a very similar sound to coins.
I went to this museum in 1990, it was even worse back then...everything was in Swedish, a few English labels but nothing spectacular and tiny little explanations where you needed a magnifying glass to read it but at least someone had taken the time to add some info in English concerning a piece of weaponry or armour. The museum had so much amazing stuff from this battle and yet I was disappointed that I could not get a better explanation of what happened.
After more than 5 years of trying to figure out what a "sabaton" is, I finally know. I think im going to cry.
About the quality of the armor, if they had cheaply armor no one would've cared about getting it, but the better one very probably was taken from the bodies.