Don't HAVE TO LEAN for Tight Turns
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A little info about me. My name is Andrei Bodrov, originally I'm from Moscow, Russia, and now I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Back in Moscow I was a motorcycle instructor and creator of Moto Control Beginner & Advanced motorcycle rider courses, which quickly became the most popular courses in Moscow (well, at least the advanced one😁). My advanced training course makes emphasis on slow speed riding techniques at first (such as good clutch and throttle control, proper riding posture, proper use of vision, etc.), then proceeds to more advanced techniques (such as aggressive braking, trail braking, maximal lean angle). The course incorporates a lot of exercises from DOSAF slow speed riding (similar to police rodeo like motorcycle training in USA), braking and cornering exercises and motogymkhana style riding. And now, since I actively learn English - I decided to post some useful videos for both your and mine practice!😉
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Since everyone writes this, it's necessary, I suppose 🤷, so here we go. Disclaimer: Ride at your own risk, you are responsible for your own safety. Me, Andrey Bodrov and my channel, Moto Control disclaim any liability incurred in connection with the use of riding techniques from this channel. Use common sense, wear full protective gear and ride in a safe and predictable manner!
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Absolutely impressive the balance with the slow ass turn 👏
Have you met your rear brake?
@Porsche996driver you make it sound like a rear brake has a balancing mechanism in it. Bro was snail crawling and still balanced 😂 that's the impressive part. Some people can't manage that balance on their own two feet 😅
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tell me you've never been rode a motorcycle, without telling me.
His points are concise and well spoken, and even with his thick accent, he says more than any American when talking about motorcycles. He’s got a great channel
I agree - I appreciate his concise instruction. Although I fail to grasp the relevance of your remark about "Americans." There's no shortage of people across the world who fail to provide clear and concise communication. For example, I used to work with an Indian man (very knowledgeable and respectable) who would use 100 words to explain what 10 words would've accomplished. But I did not walk away thinking that all Indian people aren't good with conveying instruction. Just an asinine thing to think.
If you can find an American who communicates better about motorcycles better than this guy, i’d like you provide the link. And you shouldnt use fighting words when you’re on the internet where no one can punch you in the gut
@kevinnorris6157 I would recommend you reread my comment, which was entirely level in tone. I am pausing now as you do.
If you think that some part of my comment was "fighting words" then you are wholly unequipped for life and far too easily provoked. I insulted no one; rather, I responded to your unusual comment accordingly.
You, on the other hand, responded to me just now in an irrational and juvenile manner. If anything - your comment conveyed actual fighting words. Learn the difference between candid, mild criticism and "fighting words," otherwise you'll never hold down a job or be liked by anyone who has even the mildest disagreement with you. Later, Kevin.
Yeah you go girl
Seems like Americans live rent free in your head lmao you can't even watch a simple insta vid without thinking of us. It's kinda sad really
What I like about your videos is that you use the right terminologies.
He’s a great teacher because he has a great attitude. He doesn’t come off as an arrogant gatekeeper like a lot of riders w/channels.
subscribed 👍🏾
Balance and control were phenomenal. However you say in that last clip that it’s not that big of a difference….. that was a huge difference
Yeah its blatantly a massive difference 😂
The difference was in speed. Not in the actual turn
@@anautumnleaf8904 look again
@@anautumnleaf8904 and half a parking space, therefore disproving his claim. Basically, you don't have to lean but if you do you can do it quicker and with more control and in less space, both quite useful things when trying to make a tight turn.
depends on context - where you're turning and what space you have available for the turn - in his context it wasnt that big of a difference but it could be demonstrated in tighter situation perhaps (with cones)
You forgot to say its only possible when very slow. If you go fast and turn like that you wiil fall to the outer side of the turn.
When going fast you must counter and lean.
His balance and control are phenomenal
You’re the best teacher out there! I’m so glad I found your channel. I recently got my license 2 months ago and your content has helped me a lot. Keep up the good work
I'm convinced his info saved lives!
Borat has good slow speed skills
Turn your shoulders when you turn the bars and look at your intended route 👍
But I can’t turn my handlebar all the way cause then my horn hits my tank-bag and scares the shit out of me 😂
This is the first motorcycle video I’ve seen that doesn’t completely eviscerate one style of rider so you got my follow
His balance is AMAZING
Idiot, watch his full video. Hes a professional teacher aka his money depends on him being good and correct
That slow as turn was impressive!!! Right turn at that
Ok so not my imagination that slow right hand turns seem harder? I just got a small bike and putting in my seat time.
The circle you turn without leaning is obviously wider
How much wider?
@@MotoControlEn my Ducati 900ss supersport would never let me do a u turn without lean angle because the angle of the handlebars is so limited by bolts, for not hitting my fuel tank with my fingers
@@Desmomatschi Cool!🙂
@@MotoControlEn far too slow
Correct, you don’t have to lean the bike for tight turns, but you do have to lean the bike for quick tight turns. While there are sometimes situations that require slow and upright tight turns, you’re intentionally taking the instruction to lean for tight turns out of context. In the majority of circumstances, it’s impractical to make slow and upright tight turns.
Not a huge difference.... while clearly showing. A huge difference. Lol
It isn't... like 90% of your slow speed turning comes from your handlebars, the other 10 is leaning
@@jsmit9484 10% is alot in motorcycling. It's alot more than that though.
Perhaps watch some motorcycle gymkhana...
Maybe learn about centripetal force.
If you want to understand how to ride a motorcycle. Learn the physics.
To me it is just binary. 0100110 it's no different to a video game.
Except there's no respawns.
@@jsmit9484 you have no idea what you are talking about.
I would suggest you watch some motorcycle gymkhana and learn about centripetal force.
@@VenomRoadRacing Idiot. I'm not talking about a normal turn. I'm taking about a turn at really slow speed.
The majority of the turning is coming from the front when pointing it in another direction then the rear wheel (hence why you can turn while keeping the bike straight).
You could try that at high speed, but you'll high side due to the centripetal force. That's why you lean, you steer using the difference in circumference of the tire surface instead of the direction of the wheels.
If you increase your lean angle at slow speeds, these two steering mechanisms combine to make a sharp turn, but the majority of a low speed turn comes from the first mechanism.
So I'm not saying you don't need to lean. You'll fall off if you don't. I'm saying at slow speed it's mostly handlebar direction, at higher speeds it's almost only lean angle.
The key is to turn your head as much as possible towards the turn… Добра🍀
Also true turn bars turn head Lean
At higher speeds if you do the same thing the bike will lean by itself, the gyroscopic effect when in effect at higher rpm is a situation where you cant actually turn the handlebar, but actually only lean the bike.
So sure for slow turning in parking lots and so on its fine, but at high speeds if someone is not aware of the effect it can be a unpleasent surprise as the bike just leans instead of turning.
New rider here. I can’t do right turns as left turns. Left turns feels more natural, therefore easier 🤷🏻♂️🤨
I’m a pretty new rider too but apparently that has to do with the throttle being on the right. Hard to control your throttle when your wrist is at that angle. Hope that helps! Let’s Leo’s practicing and improving 🙌
Currently preparing for my handling test for A driver's license in Finland. The first test in the handling test is slow riding and you are supposed to basically complete an "8" with 2 stops (only allowed to touch the ground with 1 leg in 2 marked spots). Speed cannot go above 6kph. If your leg touches the ground / your motorcycle engine stops / your bike falls or you drive too fast you get instant fail. Sadly there are almost no videos on youtube that show you how to learn slow riding (under 6kph or under 4mph) properly.
When instructors tell students to lean the bike further to decrease the radius of your turn, they’re referring to high speed counter steering. Know the difference between slow speed bike control and being able to lean hard to not end up on the outside of a turn. Turning your handle bars like that over 20 mph gonna get ya gone!
This is great teaching. My fear of not being able to balance and control the weight would take over every time and I’d end up using my two feet and manually do a U-turn. I need to practice more.
I learned this the hard way after my third try on the riding test
But you have to lean the bike more to go faster in the same corner
Yes!
Of course
Yep because in the last part the U turn takes a century 😂
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You always make me a better rider with you fact based points!
The difference is do you want to turn quick or slow and how much risk you want? If fast, lean more. If slow do it vertical. You're safer vertical
I practice fully upright full lock turning at near zero and zero speed without taking my feet off of my pegs. It’s great.
I learned this on mountain bikes mostly
The best advice I got from my MSF teachers was to subscribe to your channel.
Im a 1week old new rider and i love all your tips and advices ! Subscribed !!
you can’t turn any 2 wheel bike without leaning. it is litterally against the laws of physics. he’s just leaning a lot less
Going to pratice more on my new 500cc. Huge step up in weight from my 125cc feels so different!
Most important tip:- don't loose your center of gravity 🙃
Bro your stability is freaking impressive 🗿🤝
Most importantly, use the rear break to keep stability through the whole bike
You are wearing out the clutch and rear brake more with the slow tight turn while upright though. Not a criticism, just an observation :)
It'd be interesting to measure how much tighter the turn is when leaning at the wheels and at the rider's head, because I suppose that's quite a notable effect.
Show me a full circle with the bike upright at full lock, you need almost double the space then you do if you lean. And, if you understand how to counter balance you can have a lot of lean at slow speed for a slow speed tight turn.
Watch the video one more time. The difference is not double, it's at most 20%.
Counter lean is key
True, stand and put all your weight on one foot peg, your bike won’t do anything! It’s input into the handlebars that turn the bike 100%
I did motorcycle training in the 70s and the instructor was doing this kind of thing on a Moto Guzzi California but we could barely do it on our learner bikes - at first.
Fantastic balance, i ought to practice more
Honestly the higher speed leaning opposite of the bike is easier for me. I dont have that level of balance.
Best ive done on my fjr1300 is about a 17ft turning circle or a little over 2 parking spaces.
My struggle is keeping the throttle locked when making turns
Outstanding!thank you for this vid.
Depends on the application and speed
When you leaned you could go much faster, like 3 times faster. You just showed us in the last two clips. Combined with the tighter turn radius, there’s your BIG difference. Not to mention better control and better feeling of the bike. It’s NOT ok to tell beginners not to lean or that it is ok not to lean. Leaning is just an aspect of driving a bike, if you don’t do it or just don’t want to do it, I have some news for you, sell the damn bike and buy a car.
So without reading all the comments, I agree with this video bit are you not also doing Clutch control? I'm honestly asking because I'm teaching my wife these but letting her know to keep Clutch control due to the cc and bike weight. Not a KTM... Honda Shadow 600cc. I promise I'm not being a troll I'm honestly asking so I can understand correctly
You forgot to mention counterbalancing helps a ton with slow speed maneuvers like you showed in the first slow speed demonstration
I really wish I could train with this dude
The most important part is to let your rear brake slip
TBH I have no idea how much I lean the bike most of the time, I lean it as far as it needs to go to corner easily, whether I lean more or less than the bike does myself depends on each individual corner and how I feel it wants to be leaned!
The comparison says it all 👌🏻
I love the way you say radius
That gen 1 looks clean
Counter-balancing at slower speeds is not the same as driving very slowly, and is far more stable. Counter-balancing is leaning one's body slightly, but in the opposite direction of the bike lean. Great for u-turns, like he demonstrates in the middle of the video. He needs to explain this better.
I am pro Estonia and pro motorcycle so this video is satisfactory .
(At the end) that clutch is gone fr 💀
Yep, I figure he has a clutch rebuilding company…
Whats the brand and name of the bike he was using on the tight circles?
Amazing explanation! Thank you for this video.
He's not lying, but how many real world applications will allow you to inch along like that in the vertical position?
This guy seems good and I'll check out other videos from him.
God bless you for the help you provide and the knowledge you share 😎
What a nice bike would you mind sharing the make and model ?
I don't mean to be mean, but that is a HUGE difference from the leaned turn you did to the fully upright turn you did.
Fully upright is slower and quite a bit wider. Sure you can still turn with the bike fully upright, but they are not equivalent turns at all.
it wasn't significantly wider or he would have hit the curb. the side of the turn closest to the camera starts off close to the end of the white line for the parking spot, only slightly further from the line for the fully upright turn.
it is wider by a few inches, but that is not significant
It is true though, if you actually drive and aren't just goofing around in the driveway
This becomes extremely obvious and more intuitive on a lower and heavier bike like a cruiser.
Pleaseeeee don’t take this advice. The reason you lean into turns is to keep your weight balanced so you can easily maneuver in small spaces. By staying upright while only turning the handlebars, your body will naturally keep moving in the direction opposite of the turn, making you crash. Focus on looking toward where you want to go and your shoulders and body will make the bike turn toward your target. As long as you remember to look where you want to go, your body automatically does the rest.
Wow, I sure crashed hard in this video!
that is absolutely a huge difference =)) awesome control anw
To go left turn left
The higher the speed the more you have to lean. Simple.
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS! thank you!
If only my handlebar would actually turn reasonably on my street triple. 😂
thank you (:
Beautiful counter
Fine... Now do it double the speed with the same lean angle.
The tire angle has a lot to do
Now that’s some balance
yeah, imagine doing a U-turn at snail speed. Lean the damn bike and do your thing quick :)
That’s a slow turn. Wow!
I love your videos. 👏👏👏
Good luck cornering at high speeds with the handlebars turned that much. I'm pretty sure you'd immediately lose grip
This is for slow speed.
Yeah the bike is leaning just as much, you are just counter leaving your body
Can u demonstrate drifting on a street bike next please
That's cool and all, but it's real easy to do tight maneuvers on something barely bigger than a bicycle.
That's totally easy on a 250!😊
Just dont turn your handlebars when you're doing high speed turns
I hate to break it to you bro, but that's still leaning, it's just called counter lean.
The difference is in one you're going 5 times faster 😂 go that fast upright and see how fast you fall over
He sounds like "Count von Count" from Sesame Street.
Different solutions same answer.
You have to at high speeds
Well done. Give you a Sub!
I’m a fan of Bret Tkacs and Ian at Big Rock Moto (nearby San Diego) in case you wonder how we’re finding you.
Does he tap the rear break or front break while doing that ?
Typically you want to drag the rear brake when performing low speed manuevers. Grabbing the front brake can result in locking up the bars and dropping the bike.
thanks
I do it faster at lean because I can only hold my breath for so long 😅
Compare the Meerkat? No, compare the MARKET. Simples
Why is the headlight like that? Haizzz
The problem with todays bikes is that they pretty much all have snatchy and weird throttles.