Marshall: ORIGIN 20C Combo. The proper demo.
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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You've heard of and perhaps covet - maybe even own - an original or reissue Marshall JTM45, 1959SLP or one of their other classics. I believe Marshall have released another winner. Something that most will be able to afford and something that does proud their formidable legacy. The Origin Series takes the fundamental tones from the Marshall classics and offers them up in lighter and (now) more affordable combo and head packages. The Origin 20C is way impressive. Its 14kg package offers everything I love about classic Marshall: headroom, grind and THAT tone when everything is cranked and singing. It's a winner. There are features on the Origin series like S/R FX loop, DI Out and footswitchable Normal/Boost that you wouldn't have found on the old stuff but I'm sure will be welcome now. I haven't tried anything else from the series, but I'm keen to. Three thumbs up.
Today's tools:
Guitar: 2017 Ernie Ball Music Man Axis (stock); Palir Guitars Titan 'The Apple Tree' T-Style with Porter Pickups.
Amp: 2018 Marshall Origin 20C Combo
Extra effects: Empress Echosystem and Shaun Klinger MK1 Tonebender
Cables: Free The Tone
Mic: Shure SM57 (Marshall); Samson Airline77 (me)
Camera: Canon 60D (me) and Nikon D5100 (amp); iPhone X (my crotch)
Soundcard: AVID Mbox Pro 3 (for recording) & Fractal Audio Systems Axe-FX II XL+ (mixing and bouncing).
Computer: Apple iMac 27" i7 3.4 GHz 16 GB RAM
Software: Logic Pro X, Waves CLA and L3-16 (mastering), Apple Final Cut Pro X (video editing and UA-cam compression).
Apologies: I meant, "Celestion 10 inch...", not 10 Watt.
Just wish it would have a Celestion G12M Greenback in it not 10in, could be missing it's full potential. i guess you could use it with a cab if you want. Great little Amp for the price.
Forgiven, this time;)
Have you tried with a good OD in front? Great demo by the way.
Why a 10 inch speaker Marshall? What were you thinking??
Agreed, I don't think the 10" speaker does it justice. That's why I have the 20W head on the way. :)
I know this is an old post, but it's great that someone demo this amp who knows how to dial them in. (Which I didn't know.) Thanks so much for posting.
I got this amp in the post yesterday. I have had more than a few small tube amps. This one, out of the box, is the best sounding at any volume I have heard.
Have you had a Blues Jr? Does it sound kinda "small" like a Blues jr? I want something that is about the same price/size, but want it to sound less boxy and
just a bit more full, if that makes sense
@@jahkristjanfari Sounds like you need a bigger amp
This is the best review of them all. The only one that mentions the importance of saturated power amp stage, control the drive with the guitar volume, I guess it takes an Aussie to show how to play a Marshall by one fo the greatest Aussies! I was still slightly on the fence, but halfway through this and I pulled the trigger! Kerboom neighbours!
Thanks for leaving such a kind comment. I hope you dig your new amp!
I will say, this is the best demo of this amp I’ve ever heard. The tones are great and I honestly didn’t expect to hear these tones 😮your great playing didn’t hurt either, thank you!!
People who are complaining about the 10 inch speaker. Please plug this up to an extension cab with a 12 inch greenback. Marshall glory at its finest. 10 & a 12 is a magical combo
Liking the Tele sound thru the amp. I have many guits but only recently introduced my self to Teles. Leo got the recipe correct the first time!
Neil Aspinall Love my Tele to death
exactly me, i used to be a Tele hater but now after finally getting a good one i understand.
exactly that!
Neil Aspinall same happen to me. Now it’s my favorite
@@Leo-jt3tc Jimmy Page for me, figuring out the whole first album is played on Telecaster really made me appreciate the versatility.
Thank you so much, I've wanted to hear a good demo of this amp without someone loading pedals in front of it or not showing the complete range of it. This has defiantly pushed me over the edge to get the amp. Cheers for the sensible review
Holy moley, I got goose bumps when you plugged the 'buckers in. That's THE sound.
Honestly this is the best marshall product in a long long time imo. I wish it came with a 12" though
I paid £560 for mine, brand new. It died after 20 or so hours of use! It's been sent back for repairing. Sounded good up until it's premature death, though.
dogsareboss, next time purchase from a seller that will replace your amp, not have you wait for a repair. That's just a suggestion.
The 50w version comes with a 12" speaker. I love mine. Its a simple amp, but does what it does perfectly.
I wonder if the baffle is large enough to modify for a 12 inch speaker. For those that just can’t leave well enough alone
M Kreif I put a celestion greenback in it. Fits perfectly
This was exactly what I wanted to hear, and it verified that I made the right choice. Those are the tones I've been looking for.
Thanks again for the great sounding and informative demos!
I saw this demo and bought one!. The 10 inch does the job superbly..this is an incredible sounding amp..get it!
To be fair 10" is more than enough for most cats.
12"would have been best to get some chug and bass
@@JS-te4gz Isn't that what a bassist is for? Providing bass.
@@cavanray5327 noe Ned some chug out if the amp that's why people like closed back 4 12s
Does this amp attenuate at all ?
I went down to my local music shop to test drive one of these, liked it a lot. I was surprised how much low end there was, in fact more than any other 10" combo I've played through, including typical models from Fender, Laney, Vox etc. The cabinet is larger and deeper than that of most 10" combos, so I'm assuming that's the reason. I bought it on the spot, and since then I've played it at a three-hour standing-room only pub gig with a Stones cover band.
As with any amp, the difference between playing an amp at home or in a studio - as in the above demo video - is night and day. By the end of the evening, I was running pretty much everything on 10 to stay in the mix. The Origin sounds really really good played like that, as it turns out. The tone (telecaster) didn't turn to mush but rather soared. No other 10" or 12" combo I've played through has survived that kind of treatment, tone-wise. A Princeton or a Deluxe, for example, completely falls apart at high volume. I was getting just about optimum string-to-string frequency response even cranked. This is another area where small combos tend to have issues.
I used to own a 1959 Superlead, and very much as with that beast, the three-band eq knobs on this amp don't do a whole lot. I found I could achieve more tonal tweakage using the Tilt and Presence knobs.
Great-sounding amp, and easy on the back when transporting. We'll see how it holds up to the punishing gigs I do. Once the speaker is fully broken in, I'll consider whether or not to replace it. I'll also be looking into upgrading the tubes even though I love the tone as it is so far, just because I like experimenting with different tube arrays.
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend this amp to any rock/blues/soul guitarist looking for a great-sounding small combo.
@neonthunderbird Thanks. I don't play it at home much except when testing out a new pedalboard setup, but it sounds pretty good at the 5w setting.
@neonthunderbird Personally I think the Origin 20c has more character and is more versatile/tweakable than the Delta King
@neonthunderbird It was the gorgeous cleans that sold me on this amp in the first place. As mentioned above, I owned and heavily gigged a plexi (w/two 4x12 Marshall cabs) for several years and this combo has much better cleans overall. I also owned two JTM60 combos that had killer cleans but sadly that series had chronic overheating issues. The Origin sounds a lot like the JTM60 and also the much older JTM45 that Hendrix played prior to the plexi era. That's always been my favorite Marshall amp even though I never owned one.
People who say the Origin sounds like a plexi probably never owned an actual plexi. This is a warmer circuit, to my ears, much more like a JTM45 or the JTM60s I owned. It's not a particularly bright amp at all, and between the Tilt, Treble and Presence controls, you have a pretty good grip on the frequency range.
It has more low end than any another 10" combo I've played. Princetons have a nice low end at lower volumes but the lows tend to mush out at high volume.
As the more informed Origin reviews have pointed out, the best tones whether clean or overdriven happen when you crank the master volume. IMO the best way to run this amp is with the MV close to wide open, then adjust gain and guitar volume downward as needed.
I've been gigging this amp for a year now and it's held up really well. I was initially thinking of replacing the VJr with a Creamback 10 to see if that would raise overall tone quality, but I've now decided it's not necessary. This is the only amp I've bought in the last ten years that I haven't swapped out the stock speaker. I think Marshall did a great job designing this amp considering the price point and I'm really happy with it. The only issue I've had is that the gain boost knob needs to be sprayed with contact cleaner every two or three months or it develops crackly static. I suppose that's because it's a push-pull knob so dust collects underneath the knob easily.
@neonthunderbird You're welcome. I own both amps, and I play in a band that gigs 6-8 times a month so have had plenty of time to compare them. The Blues Jr doesn't really do the classic Fender tone, mainly because it's powered by a pair of EL84s. Classic Fender tone comes from 6L6s (eg Twin Reverb} or 6V6s (eg Deluxe Reverb, Princeton). The BJr sounds more like the early 18-watt Marshall 1974 (made 1965-68) or a more ballsy, less bright Vox A15, both of which use EL84s.
The Marshall Origin 20C is powered by a pair of EL34s, the most classic Marshall engine. The enclosure is slightly larger than that of the Blues Jr even though the latter holds a 12" speaker while the Origin has a 10" speaker. Despite having a smaller speaker, the Origin 20C sounds bigger to me. The BJr is more boxy and constricted sounding to me, comparatively speaking. It's still a very usable amp but the Marshall has more girth and sparkle, plus with the tilt control and built in boost, more tweakability. The one advantage the BJr has over the Origin is that it has real spring reverb. With the Origin I use a Mr Black Deluxe Deluxe Plus, a pedal with excellent tremolo and reverb circuits.
I've had the BJr over 10 years and have modified it with NOS Mullard tubes and a more efficient speaker (Eminence Ragin Cajun) so that it's a smooth and powerful little beast. But my Origin 20c sounds better, even stock. The 20C also has more headroom so it has brilliant cleans and takes pedals better. I hardly ever play my BJr anymore. The Origin is also a couple of pounds lighter than the BJr and usually costs less.
I can't tell you how many times I've watched this and shown it to others to show why I love my origin 20c and HXFX with my ASAT and EBMM axis guitars.
Great demo, man. I must’ve watched 30 demos on this line. Anderson’s was ok, but yours is a real help by showing the eccentricities and intricaciesofvthe marshall tone stack and the interaction between pre and power amp... real nice work. Thanks.
Finally, someone who knows how to do a good review on this amplifier. I own 3 tump amplifiers currently, I have owned more over the years, and this is currently my favorite Amp. I’m surprised how good it sounds for the money.
That Tele through that amp.
Perfect.
Seriously.
It’s very sweet. 👍🏿
Thanks for making time to do this, Brett. I just got the Origin 20 head, and found that dialing in a good sound was pretty counterintuitive. Tonight I got close to what I was looking for, but your video added a few tricks that’ll get me where I want to go. I’m running the head through a 1x12 cabinet fitted with a very old Rola Celestion 12” 8 ohm speaker. It’s classic Marshall all the way. Thanks again for the help!
Brett, I just want to thank you for this brilliant demo. I had been umming and aahing over buying the 20H but your video convinced me. My first valve amp! I've had it a little over a week now and I'm over the moon with it. Best of all, my neighbours are antisocial noisy people, so I can turn it up without fear :) Thanks again.
What a great lesson on how to use gain, volume and EQ in a single channel amp, regardless of demoing the amp. Bravo, sir!
I already decided to get the Origin 20 Head before this review... so now after watching this review, I'm even happier with my previous decision :)
Are you liking it? I really wanted to like it, but comparing it side by side with new dslcr series, the DSL could get the same tones as the origin plus a better clean and obviously a massive high gain. I'm still curious though. I hear such mixed reviews and really want to give it another shot
Solid demo mate, this is how it should be done! Thanks a lot!
I need to truly thank you sir! You’re playing and professionalism always inspires me to turn off UA-cam and go play my guitar! Thank you for all the years of your amazing playing and energetic feel. You rock sir!
Greetings from Duluth, Minnesota Brett. Really nice demo.
I listened to another demo on another UA-cam channel on this amp and I thought that is sounded pretty thin... but this demo sounds very nice! It has that classic Marshall Plexi vibe. Thanks for an excellent demo! :)
Coming from Mr. Kingman it's no surprise at all that this is the best sounding demo for the Origin 20 on UA-cam...
Per Marshall website: "High power 20W, mid power approx 3W and low power approx 0.5W"
some of you complaining about the 10" speaker, but it doesn't seem to be lacking for me... another no bullshit, straight down the line video... thanks Brett (".)
Best review of this amp I’ve seen. You know how to dial in an amp! Thank you. I just bought one and I love it.
about time someone did a decent demo of this amp. Always frustrates me how many amp reviews you see where they dont touch the master volume or dont touch the gain volume. Just turn the master most the way up and go through the whole band of the gain. simple
50w combo seems like it could be perfect. Enough power to do low gain cleans loud and a 12 inch speaker which you can swap with your favorite high power Marshall speaker (Cream Alnico 90 or Scumback H55 maybe). Just need a delay/reverb pedal. 2lbs lighter than a Deluxe Reverb too.
Proper demo is right, thanks Brett! I particularly appreciate the full listing of gear used. Too many reviews don't even mention the mic, which pretty much invalidates the whole thing ...
Thanks for doing a proper demo without a bunch of silly djent/thrash metal detuning mumbo jumbo at the end. You get what the Marshall sound is all about, and as a fan of these amps since I began to play in the mid 80s, I appreciate that. I've been considering getting this amp. I love the DSL as well, but I feel they have a very un-Marshall like focus into deep metal darkness, which is not my thing. I love the classic rock tone that lets the guitar shine through in a musical way which is Marshall at its best. The Marshall sound, which the Origin represents, is very musical at its heart. It's not about covering tone with loudness, but enhancing the musicality of the guitar. This is why I've always prefered Marshalls to Boogies and whatever trend of the moment is all the rage.
Your demos always have the best sound.pedals and amps.
As soon as you started smashing out those chords, I was immediately back in the London Marquee circa 1976. Balmy summer!
A 10" speaker has absolutely no business sounding that good.
.. and I just realized it was AC/DC *supporting* Back Street Crawler!
What does this thing sound like through a 4x12? Tell me you've tried it. :))
Everybody is complaining about the 10” speaker...well for playing out and gigging I can see their argument. Might as well get the 50. If your playing only at home, it’s probably perfect. I think the amp sounds pretty good, as long as the gain is up a little, along with the volume. That tele sounds badass too.
5:56 PERFECT AC/DC TONE !!!!
Thanks for the awesome demo ! I really want to buy that amp now
Cracking demo Brett, that thing sounds amazing. Lovely playing.
Finally a proper demo.
they FINALLY did it. killer amp.
I really wish they put a 10" in their origin 5 combo!
I think the 10 inch speaker is the best for guitar tone. The guitar is a mid range instrument it’s not a bass or a piccolo
good observation ...true too
🤔 that makes a lot of sense 👍🏼
As if speaker size alone defines your low/high frequencies. Most legendary guitar sounds were made with 12 inch speakers. It’s simply the standard
Hi, just bought one on the strength of UA-cam reviews including yours after my boogie died, must say sounds amazing and with pedals fab, cheers.
I Love this amp and i absoluteley love the 10 inch speaker ! Sounds awesome !
You pretty much nailed the best tone for that amp!
I have a Marshall Origin 20 and my Gibson SG ...i love it!!!!
"It's Ace"..i remember that from high school days in the 70's..lol..made my day Brett :)
The same with a 12-er Celestion speaker was great.10-er speaker sounds for me a little to sparky.great amp.i like it.
Can you fit a 12" in the cab?
I recently learned about these. I’ve been considering jumping into a tube amp but needed to stay well under a grand. Most I’ve seen in that price range didn’t do anything my solid state Marshall doesn’t do. So far with all the reviews I’ve seen this is probably going to be what I go with. Thanks for the video.
Great demo. Best sounding one I've heard by miles. I've been waiting to try one of these. Would love to hear this with a Les Paul
Such a great amp from Marshall. Seems funny that people are skeptical about the 10". So many classic amps have used 10s.
i like a 10" speaker. it has a quicker response than a 12"
“BuT IT dOesN’T HAvE a 12 InCH SPeaKeR. NoT a TRuE MaRShaLL >:(“
I tried it in a shop. I like it. It takes drive pedals well (because of that smooth Marshall thing).
I have this amp with a properly routed cab and a 12” Greenback in it. Really opened it up for that classic Marshall sound.
Man, what a great demo and now I'm getting one...I had previously counted these out. Thanks!
In my opinion the 10” speaker works just fine.
Ok but what about a celestion g10 greenback speaker to improve it? Better or worse? Thanks.
I was skeptical too - the10 inch really suprised me - I Love the origin 20 ! !
Great review. You make this sound fantastic. Love that you used a Tele and HH guitar.
Terrific, straightforward and well played. Well done keep kicking ass.
Well, now, this does have something of an old school sound. I think I'd prefer a 12" speaker even on a low-wattage amp but this sounds really gnarly. I like it. Great job, as usual, Brett.
Cheers from North Carolina, USA. Thanks for the PROPER demo. You nailed it as always! PEACE!
Excellent review. YT needs a whole lot more videos on this amp.
I just got the head here in Kiwiland for half the new price. I do not think the seller even unpacked it. Still has the tag and all the cables etc sealed in their bags. I am running it into Two Notes, so I can have the gain and master on full. I am quite impressed with the amp and that I can get this sound for so little money.
I sold my Laney even though I liked its lead tone, because I just could not get a vintage tone out of it, i.e., Led Zep etc. The amp reminds me more of a 1974X than a Superlead due to the tubby-ness and almost brittle gain. I boost it with a BCC Tony Iommi Boost. That pedal gets it really singing. For something more extreme I slightly boost the TI Boost with a TS808. It gives a fatter version of that singing focused sustain you get from a cocked wah. I can almost get the amp into boosted JCM800 territory. I am surprised the low end holds up quite well and has that omph, but you have to shape the signal before it hits the amp, or you will have lots of flub. Next up is getting a Belle Epoch Deluxe and a bender style fuzz. Get my Jimmy on.
P.S. I also bought a mint RG550 Genesis for a good price. I am not sure I like it yet. At first it felt like a toy guitar compared to my Gibson. But now it is getting broken in its tone is starting to come thru and I am finding myself playing stuff that i would find really hard to do on a Gibson. The really flat radius takes some getting used to. The skinny neck is not as bad as I thought though. So long playing nothing but Gibson and the Strat thing of having the volume control so close to the bridge is the thing I find hardest to deal with. I mute the high strings a lot on a Gibson, but it is really hard to do on an RG. It makes me play differently. Undecided if I will keep it, but I do need something that can do Strat like tones etc.
Would love to hear this with old school treble booster.
Exactly.
this is my first Marshall amp ,im really happy with it . it has such a nice grit when it just starts to break up and if you put an OD in front its a power house. the three watt settings and ten inch speaker make it perfect for apartments or bedroom players.
I have the 20 Watt Origin head running into a 4 x 12 Marshall 1960A cabinet. No way in hell will the combo sound like this. The secret to the Love I have for this is the Boss SD 1 yellow OD pedal I have in front of the input. Wow wow Wow. Love this amp so much. Comes to life with the Volume cranked up, and gain up there too. The guitar cleans up so well by the volume pot on your guitar its like switching to another channel. ♥
Of course the 4 x 12 will give you much more volume and bottom end , But for PORTABILITY - WEIGHT reasons the 20 Combo is Awesome and definately more than Loud enough ! !
that´s how you do a proper demo. watch and learn, marshall.
great showcase of what seems to be a much better amp than one might guess after watching some other demo videos. cheese louise.
dig it.
I just made a purchase, thanks Brett. Imagine... a grab & go Plexi!!! I'm wondering if Neil Young knows about the 20's?
Love your videos, Brett! This is far and away the best youtube demo of this amp. Sounds incredible.
This amp gets a bad rap. Brett knows what he's doing.This video shows the potential of this great little amp.👍
It gets a bad rep from morons! This amp's reception made me realise just how far from reality so-called internet concensus can be.
Todd: Amen to that. I have the 5 watt Origin combo and it's superb.
I disconnected the internal speaker and am driving two 8 ohm 2x12's (using a 'cab merger' box to keep the impedance at 16 ohms) and the little guy sounds incredible.
I'm using an open-backed Laney Cub Cab and a closed-back Randall RG212 and with an MXR Classic Overdrive feeding an MXR Distortion +, the sound is, uh, "exhilarating" (aka deafening).
It’s gotten bad reviews? I’ve heard only good things from gear head pros.
@@lespauldisciple3349 It's an amp that you have to get to know. Once you do, it's fantastic. It will be very loud if you want amp gain. It's a great pedal platform, though, which is how I use it. If you have somewhere to crank it, it's glorious!
Todd: I've since sold the 5w combo and bought the 20w Origin head.
I'm driving two Marshall MX112 cabs with Celestion Greenbacks in them and it is an absolutely incredible sounding combination.
Best demo of this amp on UA-cam.... ‘ let’s crank it, let’s go for it ‘
Great demo Brett of the Origin. Most of the other videos I've watched can't seem to dial them in too well and I was starting to think they weren't a good amp, as I've been contemplating getting the 50W head. But the sounds you were getting sound typical Marshally - not unlike what I get out of my TSL
I'm unhappy with my Fender Bassbreaker 45w, I was looking at this amp. Ultimately I'm probably going to go to a DSL. Only because of channels and reverb. Really wanted this tone though.
Que bueno que esta!!!! Zarpadisimo!!! Me encantó la demo y como lo presentó señor.
El equipo suena como un verdadero marshall, y al ser de pocos watt, se puede saturar mejor.
Un caño!!!!!
What he said!!
This is the best demo of the amp I've seen on Tube and I 've searched quite a lot... I am torn between Marshall DSL 5 cr and this one (they are similar in price, DSL 5 being about 50 euros cheaper).... I understand that this amp produces mild natural overdrive when cranked, and the thing I liked is that you slammed its front with a pedal ... but, would using a Tube Screamer in front if it give it more sustain?
i have some problem now ,do you buy a origin over the DSL 5CR ? i know DSL more cheaper in my country to but i want a decent classic amp sound.but iam affraid the origin its to loud in home practice
Amazing review, I've been waiting for a quality review for this as I've got my name down for the 20w head version at my local music shop. Can't wait for them to get it in now!
Thanks, Baron. That means a lot to me. Cheers.
Stellar Brent! A little verb & delay is the way I play. Thanks for adding the delay. I'll have mine Friday I went with the 20 W.
Another great review, covering all the features and a range of tones, thanks Brett!
This has been one of the most difficult amps to get a consistent impression of from UA-cam demos. I don’t understand why, but with the same general settings, in most people’s demos it sounds like a muddy mess, but in others, like yours, it has a nice bright Plexi chime. It’s like it’s Schrödinger’s amp.
When you write 'the proper demo' you need to deliver Jesus man you did that. Just purchased this amp so I'm super happy for your demo.
Cheers. Very encouraging! I hope you love the amp.
@@BrettKingman mate it's awesome. I've lugged a jvm 410c around for a while and it's an amazing sounding amp. But yeah these are just great.
Thank you Brett for that really nice demo of a low price GREAT amp ! From Canada.
Best review yet on the Origin amp. Awesome job...Thanks!
Thank you for an informative clear demo of the setting.
Wonderful review! You helped me to make the decision to buy an Orgin 20 to replace my class 5. I freakin love it
Your demos are just the best man. Tell it how it is!
Great demo, Brett (as usual). I've got this amp on my radar!
I was afraid that 10 inch speaker is not enough than I went to guitar shop and try it.And I got pure Marshall sound, fat and loud and I was like wow man this is a beast but is it loud enough when whole band comes in, will it sound thin...than I disconnected 10 inch speaker and plugged this little monster into 4x12 Marshall cab..and magic happened...plenty of headroom, lot of bass, and my sound was all over the room...So I bought it...Guys for this money you get this 10 inch speaker so you could play at home, rehearsals, small clubs without mic or any other venue with mic in front...but whenever you need more sound and headroom just connect it to bigger cab and you will get miracle...for this money you get 20 w head and 10 inch speaker ;)
This is much better than the Boss Nextone video, it’s defined by its clarity!! Nice 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Really nice demo, thanks! That amp sounds sooooo sweet.. I need to get it asap!
Ace demo this is I really would like this amp in my life
Love your demo, awesome job! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I don't care what people say about "real plexi". I really like this sound.
This really is the proper demo, thank you!
Great review, you sound good on this amp. This is on my 'to get' list ...
That is an absolutely glorious tone…
That was as titled a good proper demo...not great fan of 10 inch speaker..but getting a good raw Marshall sound was definitely accomplished....and being that is a green board built amp overseas...they can keep cost down..pretty impressive and great....pricepoint.👍🏻🎸
Solid demo!
Finally a good demo of this amp... thank you Sir!
The tilt reminds me of the Blackstar amps British / American control. ISF I think it is. Cool little amp though. I went with the DSL100HR head instead since I found an awesome deal of $500 nearly new. But I was thinking about also getting this one later.
great demo sir!
thanks for doing a proper demo..i dont know why it to so long for someone to crank the master