If God is Good, Why Do Bad Things Happen?

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  • @kathleennorton2228
    @kathleennorton2228 8 місяців тому +7

    The Isolation of the sick and dying was one of the most terrible things that happened during covid. I am so glad for you and your family that God let your family be together during that very, very hard time. I often tried to imagine the incredible grief so many experienced being kept separated from each other during the time that the closeness of family and loved ones was so very important. Praise Jesus for allowing your family to be able to love and support each other, when otherwise times were not likely to let this happen.

  • @pauladams7006
    @pauladams7006 26 днів тому

    This whole topic is very important for Christians to consider, as many non-believers ask this question. One day in the future, everything that has gone wrong - due to the effects of sin - will be put right. God has promised that. Meanwhile, we need to consider the reasons why we face suffering and tragedy in our lives, in order to be able to share this subject with others. Dr. Mark Harwood outlines this in such a clear, and gentle way - I only wish I could explain all these points so clearly! Thank you Mark!

  • @manuaiipondraken8376
    @manuaiipondraken8376 Рік тому +4

    God is not only a good God, he's also God of justice. Chaotic world came about as a result of man's choice and God respect that. But because he's good, he's also working towards a long term solution.

    • @keibro13
      @keibro13 Рік тому +3

      So he punishes the innocent.

    • @timothyn4699
      @timothyn4699 Рік тому +3

      @@keibro13 God will punish in groups at times, like judging or sparing a nation based on the general group/nation's actions. But at the end on judgment day, you'll be judged individually based on your choices
      most of the "innocent" people being hurt today are not hurt by God, they are hurt by other members of mankind, who use their free will to do evil or be greedy

    • @keibro13
      @keibro13 Рік тому +2

      @@timothyn4699 How do children who die in their thousands each day choose anything?

    • @timothyn4699
      @timothyn4699 Рік тому +1

      @@keibro13 that's largely/mostly an issue of human free will. Why are children dying? Abortion? War? Malnutrition? Considering free will, the cause of these deaths are preventable, as they are caused by human sin, laziness/complacency/apathy, selfishness, greed and lust for power/land/resources/sex/fame/etc.
      In considering how does God work on the world, it appears God mostly honors human free will. And in this time, we see that sin/selfishness/greed is truly evil, because of the result, like you said, many thousands of kids and innocent ppl are suffering. The kids themselves may be too young to make the choice, but us adults who are causing the suffering, via our choices, know (or, should know) better (as we've had 30+ years to figure this thing we call life out, and/or x number of decades more than them)
      and that is precisely why God is calling mankind to repent, to acknowledge wrongdoing sin, change our mindset, and turn away from sin, evil, wickedness, selfishness, and to stop following our own way and desires. And to instead, follow and do God's will/plan/wants/desires. We can turn to Jesus for salvation, and as our example of how we ought to be living, He would seek God, proclaim truth, and it says He went about doing good

    • @1Bohimyme
      @1Bohimyme 6 місяців тому

      @@keibro13 who is innocent? there is a way that seems right unto man but in the end leads to death.

  • @telwood15
    @telwood15 Місяць тому

    Pleasure and pain are on the two sides of life's coin.

  • @ithelpdeskcomhar8236
    @ithelpdeskcomhar8236 6 місяців тому +2

    Bad things happen because it is the only way you can know what is good. In the same way you don't know night without day, left without right.

  • @rakkauseikoskaanhavia8352
    @rakkauseikoskaanhavia8352 Рік тому +1

    THANK YOU CMI !

  • @newcreationinchrist1423
    @newcreationinchrist1423 Рік тому +15

    Sin caused the suffering in our world

    • @technicianbis5250
      @technicianbis5250 Рік тому +1

      Hi new creation 👋, all good news on this channel.

  • @quix66hiya22
    @quix66hiya22 Місяць тому

    Just what I wanted to hear today.

  • @alantasman8273
    @alantasman8273 2 місяці тому

    Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

  • @abebayehudesalegn4477
    @abebayehudesalegn4477 Рік тому +6

    God is good. But most of us chose the evil. God has given us to turn from the evil and back to him. Evil will be punished. Our knowledge for many 'why's is wanting. God's people also suffer but finally share his glory. God bless U.

  • @MichelleYee
    @MichelleYee 4 місяці тому +1

    Wow, this is really powerful! Thank you so much for this video.

  • @telwood15
    @telwood15 Місяць тому

    If you get comfort in whatever your beliefs then that is what matters.

  • @boni2786
    @boni2786 2 місяці тому +1

    Great!

  • @Babesyann
    @Babesyann Рік тому +1

    Isaiah 45:7
    King James Version
    7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

  • @melchiormapa3597
    @melchiormapa3597 10 місяців тому

    Who am I to question the Almighty, He has not been silent. He had spoken through His servants,the Prophet's. And finally His Son came was in our midst,and His word has spoken again, The HOUR OF FAVOUR IS AT HAND, BELIEVE THE GOOD NEWS. This our window of hope.
    Believe in the Lord Jesus and we'll be saved.

  • @luisdasilva3879
    @luisdasilva3879 11 місяців тому

    If we go back to the past, since the beginning of creation, God has always warned us about what was good and what was bad, but since the beginning, humans rebelled against Him despite all the warnings. After these thousands of years, humanity continues to ignore God, His commandments and laws. It was not because a lack of warning from God, but rather because of our pride in thinking that we can governing the world ignoring God would lead us to a promising future, but looking at the global scenario clearly shows that we have failed.

  • @lilibakker6113
    @lilibakker6113 Рік тому +4

    Blessings from the Netherlands!

  • @petroflorence7962
    @petroflorence7962 Рік тому +2

    The planet has fallen we are fallen but saved new creation but old man strugles whit new man beleve in jesus and live rember man is redemd but all is not saved so still death if god wipe out everything than start again tne not displaying love coz still giv son and still show mercy even when we sinner who are saved throug jesus

  • @kathleennorton2228
    @kathleennorton2228 8 місяців тому +1

    The real question is why is there so much good in a condemned, fallen world? It is because of the unmerited grace of God, through Jesus Christ The LORD, that we live in and experience so much goodness and beauty.
    We could all be squashed like one big, nasty cockroach.
    He is patient with us, giving us many good and amazing things, revealing to us His goodness and patience, out of this place of actual darkness and foreboding.
    It is up to us to come to His light, to be rescued by the blood of Jesus, out of the clutches of the sin, death and destruction we find ourselves in.
    His amazing goodnesses in this world are clear glimpses of the eternal glory He is offering to us.
    The evil, awfulness, hopelessness, grief and foreboding found in this world serves as a reminder of the course that this evil world is on and where this course leads us to. The awful hurt and evil is a glimpse into the eternal sufferings of torment we must, at every cost, escape from, into the loving arms of God, through Jesus Christ our LORD.

  • @Sandbarfight
    @Sandbarfight Рік тому +2

    Thank you

  • @rubytuby6369
    @rubytuby6369 Рік тому +1

    This is a giant classroom in the end. God will have mercy on everyone and save everyone, just not all at the same time.
    1 Timothy 4: 10 To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of everyone, and especially of those who believe. 11Command and teach these things.…

    • @1Bohimyme
      @1Bohimyme 6 місяців тому +1

      There is 2 vines in the bible This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

    • @rogersacco4624
      @rogersacco4624 2 місяці тому

      Brain dead answers

  • @vparakhin
    @vparakhin 2 місяці тому

    Everybody is saying Jesus has felt everything we feel. But I wonder if Jesus felt what it's like to grow old, and to have a heart attack, to have your spouse pass away, to have cancer, to be dying alone in a nursing home? Jesus felt some terrible pain, no doubt, but far far from everything that we, as human beings, have to endure every day.

  • @joeminoso1554
    @joeminoso1554 Рік тому +2

    That was SO beautiful ❤, GOD BLESS U ALL

  • @JesusSavesJohn3verse16
    @JesusSavesJohn3verse16 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for the excellent video 😊
    The Lord’s love + grace be with you
    Hope you are all well and resting in Jesus saving love + grace 😊
    Blessings friends 😊

  • @jeffburton1326
    @jeffburton1326 4 місяці тому +1

    Bad things can, and do, happen because there is no god to keep it from happening.
    I can believe anything I want but that doesn't make it real.

  • @MrStano-jy3ts
    @MrStano-jy3ts Рік тому +2

    You can not explain it, follow Jesus God and you'll see and feel what I mean❤
    I belong to Jesus, God bless you all

  • @tomesplin4130
    @tomesplin4130 Місяць тому

    So, an all-powerful, all knowing God knew that Adam and Eve were going to rebel even before He made them. Thus He was fully aware that sin and suffering were coming into the world yet He chose not to do anything about it? This question has never been answered for me. He could have easily ‘wired’ Adam and Eve differently whilst still retaining their free will (since He is all-powerful).

  • @keibro13
    @keibro13 Рік тому +2

    Typically, the people who suffer most from god’s justice are the poor, the starving, and primarily children who have no knowledge of sin. If you believe in him he is still the monstrous god of old. No apology for his character will change that fact.

  • @premkenneth8939
    @premkenneth8939 Місяць тому

    Let say you're watching a Sci fi movie you always wanted to make a complex advanced technology that is so perfect but every time you try to fix it they is always that design errors pop up just like a computer system program that never fix up the bugs

  • @ashtree62
    @ashtree62 Рік тому +1

    Very interesting, but would be much better if the interviewer would stop umming during the interview. It's very off putting.

  • @nishisingh227
    @nishisingh227 2 місяці тому

    perhaps because bad is inseparably linked to good

  • @edward3601
    @edward3601 Рік тому +3

    I can't believe God is actually real. None of it makes any sense. It sounds good though to believe in a great creator who thinks humans are so important.

    • @Kevin_Stewart_212
      @Kevin_Stewart_212 Рік тому

      Why can't you believe God is real? creation.com/god-existence-cab-1

  • @kathleennorton2228
    @kathleennorton2228 8 місяців тому

    Faith is a different construct. Anything is possible with God.
    People, including Christians, know so very little about faith.

  • @samcotting5538
    @samcotting5538 Рік тому

    Which day is the day of worshipping in your community ?
    I believe that is Saturday, the Sabbat ? You are mastering in Genesis, you should think so too... I suppose! ❤

  • @michaelmohanu939
    @michaelmohanu939 11 днів тому

    The question “If God is good, why the world is bad”, has an interesting twist when asked “If God is evil, why there is good in the world?” Who can explain the good things in this world if there in no a force for good? If this God is all powerful and evil, why do we experience anything good in our life?

  • @Babesyann
    @Babesyann Рік тому

    Isaiah 45:7
    Legacy Standard Bible
    7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
    Producing peace and creating CALAMITY;
    I am Yahweh WHO DOES ALL THESE.

  • @littlesoul8282
    @littlesoul8282 3 місяці тому

    "I created you, my child, and you can do all kind of bad things. It's gonna be okay if you repent at the end and turn towards me. See, my son died for your sins.
    But if you don't love me back I'll forever burn and punish you in hell."
    Sounds like a psychopath to me.

  • @PiltdownSuperman
    @PiltdownSuperman Рік тому

    Why was my comment hidden? It contributed and helped reinforce what was being said.

    • @creationministriesintl
      @creationministriesintl  Рік тому +1

      If you are referring to the testimony you shared earlier, then rest assured, it is still there. 🙂 We have not removed or hidden it. 👍 We're not sure why you cannot see your comment. Sometimes UA-cam takes a while to show a comment.
      Thank you for your contribution.

  • @jobertus660
    @jobertus660 5 місяців тому

    Yes.... where is God

  • @technicianbis5250
    @technicianbis5250 Рік тому +1

    I'm interested in knowing which church this man is with, he seems well grounded in faith.

  • @TickedOffPriest
    @TickedOffPriest Рік тому +1

    I tried to explain this to someone the other day, but she would not listen. I will not give up.

    • @kevinrtres
      @kevinrtres Рік тому +1

      I pray to God that He'll give you wisdom and strength to prayerfully persevere.

    • @boxelder9167
      @boxelder9167 Рік тому +2

      I have some that I have been trying to explain this to for decades. One came around after only 5 years and I was surprised how quickly they got it.

  • @edwardevans7219
    @edwardevans7219 Рік тому +4

    JESUS SAID, IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, GOD IS LIGHT, GOD IS LOVE. QUESTION ONLY MAN'S LOVE FOR GOD, NOT GOD'S LOVE FOR MANKIND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @Alin2021
      @Alin2021 5 місяців тому

      ‭1 John 4:19 KJV‬
      [19] We love him, because he first loved us.

    • @edwardevans7219
      @edwardevans7219 5 місяців тому

      @@Alin2021 HE LOVED US SO MUCH, HE DIED FOR US, WHY THEN DO PEOPLE CAST GOD OUT OF THEIR LIVES ??????????????????????

    • @Alin2021
      @Alin2021 5 місяців тому

      @@edwardevans7219 Because they love the darkness more than the light, and they do not stand in the light so that their deeds are not seen.

  • @wanderschlosser1857
    @wanderschlosser1857 Рік тому +1

    God is whatever you believe he (or she) is. There is no other connection to God than belief. And if you don't believe than for you there is no God. End of story, it's that simple! Every discussion about it is just guessing and crystal ball reading because absolutely no one alive knows it or will ever know!

  • @petroflorence7962
    @petroflorence7962 Рік тому +2

    Jesus exiprince this and remember god son was murced and he did not distroy man but szved man whith his kindness and love he mad man weak so he could be able to love and gjde them he made angles strong they eed no help man was made for god to love and ma to love god in worship he loves man kind the universe is desind for mankind

  • @tomasgalindopazan
    @tomasgalindopazan Рік тому +1

    The Bible unveils the sovereign plan of God, who ordained every evil deed before the dawn of creation.
    "What shall we say then? Is there any unrighteousness with God? May it never be! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it does not depend on the one who wills or the one who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, in order to demonstrate My power in you, and in order that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? Will the thing molded say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this”? Or does not the potter have authority over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? And what if God, wanting to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath having been prepared for destruction, and in order that He might make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory- even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles?"
    Romans 9:14‭-‬24 LSB

  • @gregjones2217
    @gregjones2217 8 місяців тому +1

    There is no credible proof of any god anywhere at any time.

  • @timothyn4699
    @timothyn4699 Рік тому +1

    have you considered....free will?
    mankind's sin is what introduced death and decay into the world. And, God being "all powerful", or the most powerful being on the planet, does not mean He always gets or does just whatever He wants.
    Scripturally you can find that God does not always get what He wants (God desires that ALL be saved, yet we know many will refuse Him and end up in hell), at least on the earth, and we see the devil being able to oppose/hinder/get in the way of God and of what God wants. It's an interesting topic worth studying/researching out further
    don't just assume "if God is love and all good, then..."
    "...He must control everything", or "...hell must not exist", "or everyone gets to go to heaven", or "God understands if I sin and so I'll just keep doing it", but these are bad/incorrect assumptions.
    I can say that they are incorrect because it goes contrary to other things revealed in the Bible. Our understanding of the God of the bible, should be based on what the Bible says
    God does intervene, at times, but it seems like mostly He honors human free will and lets it play out based on what our actions warrant. So you could say God created the potential for evil, but didn't orchestrate the evil. Some may ask, why did God do this? And I've heard it said, true love cannot exist without free will. If we truly have free will, the evils of the world are on us, human greed, selfishness, lust, sin, disobedience, acting contrary to what God wants. If God controls everything, you make Him out to be the orchestrator of all evil. I believe in free will, and ability does not mean a person will always use it, nor does potential future knowledge mean the person caused said event to happen.
    Curiously, when God doesn't judge, say when Hitler rose to power and God did not directly intervene, they say "where was God?!". Yet when we talk about Sodom and Gomorrah, or plagues in Egypt, people complain "God you're unfair, fickle, tyrannical!". People will get upset with whatever you give them.

    • @stevenbatke2475
      @stevenbatke2475 Рік тому

      I use my freewill to not sin.
      That way, blood magic isn’t needed.
      You should try to exercise your freewill in such a manner.

    • @timothyn4699
      @timothyn4699 Рік тому

      @@stevenbatke2475 that is what we are supposed to do, use our free will to not sin. However, we have all sinned at one point or another. We are all guilty, and cannot enter heaven (a place of perfection) unless the consequence is dealt with. It's like if you drive drunk and kill someone, you can do charitable deeds after, but you are still guilty of and have to pay the price for the manslaughter. You might think you're a good person, but that's only when you compare it to other fallen, sinful human beings. The standard to get into heaven is much stricter. It's not enough to be "a little better" than those around you, by your own estimation

    • @stevenbatke2475
      @stevenbatke2475 Рік тому

      @@timothyn4699 So… you don’t have freewill really, do you?

    • @timothyn4699
      @timothyn4699 Рік тому

      @@stevenbatke2475 I don't really get what you're saying? How do we not have free will?

    • @stevenbatke2475
      @stevenbatke2475 Рік тому

      @@timothyn4699 do you have free will to sin, or not?

  • @keibro13
    @keibro13 Рік тому +1

    What idiocy. If god is all powerful why would he/it torture innocent children?

  • @ianbishop5651
    @ianbishop5651 Рік тому

    Brilliant, Amen, I love my Lord God with all my heart and soul, I seeked God and he Revealed himself to me. I love my Lord Jesus Christ with all my heart and soul, and I love the holy spirit sith all my heart and soul, Amen.

  • @janrudnik6870
    @janrudnik6870 Рік тому +1

    Gods greatest creation is Hell !

  • @willleonhardt3827
    @willleonhardt3827 6 місяців тому

    We are a world of chioce ran by the god of this earth witch is a enemy to us. But god on the thrwn n made a way for 7s to go back to him for are disobedience .

  • @kelvinloeb812
    @kelvinloeb812 Рік тому +4

    The best thing about all religions is that you can make up whatever explanations you want and they will sound reasonable to the credulous.

    • @markfrank0924
      @markfrank0924 Рік тому +3

      So, let me ask, what is your religion? Atheism is a belief system and could be just as made up. Something from nothing, impossible, life from unlife, equally impossible. We are here; there must be a creator. Nothing comes from nothing.

    • @kelvinloeb812
      @kelvinloeb812 Рік тому +2

      @@markfrank0924 An argument from ignorance is no argument at all. You clearly have no understanding of what atheism means. It is not a belief system. I, as an atheist, have seen zero credible evidence for the existence of any god let alone the one you can't prove exists

    • @ShaneKnab
      @ShaneKnab Рік тому +3

      Atheism is based on the belief that there is no God. That belief determines how one thinks and lives their life. That's what a belief system is. Atheism is a belief system based on a belief.

    • @HAL-99000
      @HAL-99000 Рік тому +1

      Anyways ateists waist time watching this videos

    • @PaulOutdoors
      @PaulOutdoors 10 місяців тому

      ​@@kelvinloeb812Yet evidence of God's creation is everywhere 😊

  • @mybuckhead
    @mybuckhead 5 місяців тому

    Because you have the god of this earth that was so evil. Jesus came to us the Fathers Love. In Acts it states the Law was brought by Angels.

  • @soldtobediers
    @soldtobediers Рік тому

    My gut feeling of who created God Himself? Is Love Itself !!!

    • @stephanosjacobus7717
      @stephanosjacobus7717 Рік тому +3

      God is Love. Nothing created God.

    • @hwd71
      @hwd71 Рік тому +1

      C S Lewis said that God is love, but love is not god,
      Because when love becomes a god, it becomes a demon.
      In other words you are making an idol of one of God's attributes.

    • @soldtobediers
      @soldtobediers Рік тому

      @@hwd71 Begs the question then; what spurred the John 3:16 ?

    • @hwd71
      @hwd71 Рік тому +1

      @@soldtobediers God, motivated by His attribute of love.
      But again, love is not god , no more than jealousy, or vengeance, wisdom, or justice,
      Those are attributes of God's character they are not persons.
      Do you see the distinction?
      Read CS Lewis The Four Loves.

    • @soldtobediers
      @soldtobediers Рік тому

      @@hwd71Rather trust Billy Joe Shaver than CS...
      "You Just Can't Beat Jesus Christ"
      He was born to be known as everybody's brother
      He is the Father, Son and Mary is His mother
      He is a 'scuse my slanguage
      Well, a compound country kinda guy
      (Yes, He is)
      Ain't no way to get around it
      You just can't beat Jesus Christ
      (No, you can't)
      Well, I used to crank and drank
      Until my back was to the floor
      I'd take it to the limit
      Then I'd try to get some more
      Yeah, when it came to gamblin'
      Well, Lord I'd know how to roll them dice
      (Yes, I would)
      Ain't no two ways about it
      I have been saved by Jesus Christ
      Yes, I have
      (Praise the Lord guitar)
      Even though I am a sinner
      He will always be my friend
      Well, He starts in the middle
      And He does not have an end
      And when my soul was held for ransom
      Yeah, He is the one who paid the price
      Ain't no reason to deny it
      I owe it all to Jesus Christ
      Yes I do, God bless You

  • @paulcompme856
    @paulcompme856 5 місяців тому

    If God is Good, Why Do Bad Things Happen? The answer is very simple. Bad things happen because GOD is good and mankind is bad. If only GOD existed there would be no bad things happening. If mankind, mainly women kind would stop doing bad things there would be no bad things happening and everything would be good. It is so simple.

    • @rizdekd3912
      @rizdekd3912 Місяць тому

      " Bad things happen because GOD is good and mankind is bad."
      Why is mankind bad if God created us and all other life forms? It would seem more likely that if God created the world and humans that God is evil because of all the evil that is in the world. On what basis do you say God is good? Do you have an independent standard for good that you measure God by, or are you measuring him based on his own standard? In the latter case, it means we have no basis for saying God is good but only God is God and meets his own standards regardless of what they are.
      Why would our free will be bent toward evil rather than good? How did sin enter the world?

  • @donnymelton5211
    @donnymelton5211 Рік тому

    God is love in that while we sinners Christ came and died for us.

  • @jeffbradley837
    @jeffbradley837 Рік тому

    SATAN IN A WORD, WHO DO YOU THINK THE MURDERER IS? SATAN

    • @stevenbatke2475
      @stevenbatke2475 Рік тому

      Does Satan kill more the Yahweh?
      I don’t think so.

  • @Stigtoes
    @Stigtoes Місяць тому

    Well not quite a perfect god. He didn't create the sun until after he'd created the vegetables. He also admits to being a jealous god which isn't a very endearing quality in a deity. He's also admitted to one or two mistakes like murdering the entire world population in the flood and then trying to make up for it by creating a rainbow. Not much of a consolation if you've just been murdered. There's also some unfortunate victim blaming. He created satan, in his infinite wisdom, but blames Eve for doing what satan told her to do. If I'm going to worship a diety he's going to have to do a bit better than this.

  • @petroflorence7962
    @petroflorence7962 Рік тому

    He cant exept coz gay god calz it sin and think it not fear but must understand so is every other sin but he is forgiven and can be to unrerstand why it is like this and he will be able to hear why from jesus it is pride that say all this and evil spirit be gone under foot kf jesus get out of fry and ujder footnof jesus now amen

  • @watchful1168
    @watchful1168 Рік тому

    Well done...it is the penultimate question that we as Christians must be able to help the world to grapple with! He is a Calvinist...be careful of that doctrine. Ephesians 2:8 for example...the Calvinist AT Robinson admitted that Grace and Faith are feminine words (you are saved by Grace through Faith) and thus "that" not of your own power which is neuter does NOT apply to those two feminine words. God is saying that SALVATION (go look at Ephesians 2:5 > "by Grace are ye saved" - in other words God FIRST had to be OK with the concept of salvation before your faith could ever be effective) is not of your own power...not of works that no man would boast.

    • @kevinrtres
      @kevinrtres Рік тому

      Not sure what exactly your beef is with Calvinism, I just want to point out that everywhere in the bible it is clear that God chooses - people or action or direction and it is always GOD who initiates correction.
      So what exactly do you find troubling about the so-called "Calvinism"?

    • @watchful1168
      @watchful1168 Рік тому

      @@kevinrtres I disagree with all except the last point...the perseverance of the Saints. Once saved always saved; God is faithful to complete that which He begins in a believer. He rebirths them from above...in other words He rebirths their spirit. Then throughout the remainder of our life He works with our conscious soul and at the end He gives us a glorified body. We are a body-soul-spirit and He saves us in the order spirit-soul-body. You were saved when He rebirthed your spirit...you are being saved as He works with your soul and you will be saved when He gives you a glorified body some day. His sovereignty revolves around Him allowing us our own free will. Paul spoke of Timothy's unfeigned faith...when God sees our unfeigned faith He responds by rebirthing our spirit and he is faithful to complete. Acts 17:26-27 pulls down total depravity-God says He chooses the time and place we live our life "so that men will seek Him in the Hope that they will grope for Him and find Him"-He allows us to live in a crucible of pressures desiring that we choose Him. He would that all come to a saving faith but of course not all do.

    • @JesusistheonetrueGod
      @JesusistheonetrueGod Рік тому

      @@watchful1168 What about this? Th people who are going to the lake of fire were always going there.
      Revelation 13:6-8 ESV
      [6] It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven. [7] Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, [8] and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

    • @kevinrtres
      @kevinrtres Рік тому

      @@watchful1168 Thanks for the full response. You said:
      *His sovereignty revolves around Him allowing us our own free will. Paul spoke of Timothy's unfeigned faith...when God sees our unfeigned faith He responds by rebirthing our spirit and he is faithful to complete.*
      I understand salvation differently. Left to ourselves we will in no wise seek after God. We see the example throughout the bible. Abraham was an idolater and God had to reel him in. Some how, somewhere we need to get to know about the God of the bible. As it says - faith comes by hearing. So even the faith we have is a gift from God.
      I see it this way: When Adam and Eve sinned it doomed their offspring to a spiritual death. So all that was left was a sea of sinful, spirit dead souls floating around with no way to save themselves. It's only when God reaches down to the spiritually dead to pluck them out of their situation that they gain the life they need to become children of God. There is no "God extends the stick and you must grasp it" or "God does His bit and you must respond" because you are spiritually DEAD and totally unable to respond. People keep on wanting to take credit for their "response". This is precisely what God says in His word : "That no one can boast". So your statement is the wrong way around. If you read the bible carefully you'll see that God has to quicken your spirit in order to plant faith into you so you can believe. You are not the initiator of anything - how can you be if you are spiritually dead? That's what Ephesians says : "Whilst we were DEAD in sins and trespasses...."
      Please, I won't be arguing over this - so please just take the time to sit down and consider the true import of all of this. It makes the glory of God so much greater when we recognize just what kind of mercy He has to extend to us, instead of wanting to rely on the so-called free-will of mankind - as if that's of any importance at all. The only thing that counts is recognition of the stupendously incredible mercy of God.

    • @watchful1168
      @watchful1168 Рік тому

      @@kevinrtres It is true left to ourselves we won't seek Him but remember Acts 17:26-27...He said He chose the time and place we would live our lives out and He did this SO THAT men would seek Him>>He puts us in a crucible of pressures throughout our life and His hope is that we therefore seek Him, grope for Him and find Him (He will not force us or scare us into the kingdom). When I hurt I cry out to God...I seek Him. Sounds like you do too. Paul spoke of Timothy's "unfeigned faith" therefore there is a feigned (or fake) faith and also an unfeigned faith. Remember the parable of the wheat and the tare-Jesus explained it in Matthew and said He sows His seeds in every heart and so does Satan; we shall see what grows in each person of history. The faith we have is our faith; the Calvinist AT Robertson said that Ephesians 2:8 does not apply the word "that" to Grace or Faith since it is neuter in the Greek and Grace and Faith are feminine words. Rather "...and THAT not of your own power..." refers to Ephesians 2:5 where Paul suddenly says "by Grace are ye saved" meaning just because your faith is involved in salvation in Epesians 2:8 don't get a big head; it is SALVATION that is not of your own power-not of works that no man may boast. Cain believed God existed but that is not enough. That's true we cannot save ourselves; He had to be willing and He is so perfect that someone had to pay the price. Jesus did that because only He was sinless as a man. You must respond with unfeigned faith (God sees the heart); God wants everyone...He doesn't just reach down for a few. "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 1Timothy 2:4 Why would God want a Mediator if He is just picking a few?? "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" 1Timothy 2:5 I don't take credit for salvation but it is ME who responded in unfeigned faith. I ain't boasting! I am thankful!! I have been such a coarse man in my life; I have no idea why God loves me so much! I ain't spiritually dead now because He rebirthed my spirit; and it was in my tears in 4th grade that I cried out to God. I didn't know what else to do...He did not make me cry out to Him. That is absurd..I am ME! Look closely...Pharoah sometimes hardened his own heart. I don't rely on my freewill for salvation...but I do rely on my freewill for my unfeigned faith! And my faith IS important...God said so. "By Grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH..." Ephesians 2:8 Salvation did not happen BECAUSE of my faith but THROUGH IT. As it is written: "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)" Ephesians 2:5 In short...first God had to be willing...then second He had to send His Grace (Jesus Christ). Salvation is of God but I must have true or unfeigned faith. That does not make me a big deal...it makes me thankful. I am not an Arminiunist BTW…you cannot lose your salvation. God is faithful to complete that which He began in you (when He rebirthed your spirit).