Israel-Gaza on College Campuses: How Dartmouth Profs Are Fostering Dialogue | Amanpour and Company
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- As tension and division mount in much of the world, university campuses in the United States have become a focal point of anger and dissent -- from the Ivy League to public schools and colleges. Stanford University reports that five recent incidents on the campus are under investigation as potential hate crimes. But two Dartmouth professors -- Susannah Heschel, chair of Jewish studies, and Tarek El-Ariss, chair of Middle Eastern studies -- set out to create a forum for students to discuss their thoughts. Michel Martin speaks to both professors about this response and what it achieved.
Originally aired on November 6, 2023
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Both professors are very wise! They are precisely what the colleges need! We don’t need more activism but more thoughtful reasonings and understanding!
Hillary Clinton’s “college educated voters” support Palestine NOT the White patriarchy of Israel!
Professor Heschel gave me goosebumps; both teachers were inspirational. This video is the first I've seen that imparts some sort of productive takeaway or hope since October 7.
So many light years better than Harvard's response.
I admire these professors for facilitating dialogue with the various groups and peoples.
Big respect to these 2 professors from Dartmouth , keeping an open mind to “ both sides “ 🙏 it is thru disagreements that peace can come ( I love my Jewish , Christian , Muslim friends , atheist and agnostic friends ! ❤)
Truly inspirational during such hard times! Thank you!
Thank goodness there are people, like these two professors, who show that you can talk about difficult/terrible events and search for understanding. It's so hard for people to separate how you feel about something from the history of the area, the culture, and the practical considerations. Nothing is simple and it's never simple. I loved how they emphasized giving students a way to express their ideas as well as at the same time requiring them to also presenting positions substantiated with facts.
One reason some universities may have had difficulty handling the interactions between students with opposing views is that the departments themselves are competitive instead of cooperative. Good communication channels take time to build.
This is the first, and critically important/valuable/meaningful/responsible/thoughtful/intelligent response I've seen from the colleges and universities since Oct. 7th. THANK YOU to these strong, wise, brave, humane professors, and to Dartmouth, and any other institutions that are fostering thoughtful dialogue and scholarship. It will be the ONLY way through this madness. My father, who fled from the Holocaust in Vienna, founded the political science science department of his university in the US... like these two professors, he had an extraordinary capacity for bringing students of all religions, nationalities, histories, together for thoughtful discourse, and he was deeply adored by them all... And thank you Amanpour and Company, for so responsibly highlighting these discussions! Absolutely critical! With Appreciation and Respect! I would add that one of the critical things they are pointing to is that there are as many points of view on life as there are people... to paint what is happening now in broad brushstrokes, stoking peoples' basest emotional responses based on small-mindedness, is exactly why this whole horror has become so destructive and terrifying. Learning to think deeply, analyze, listen compassionately and intelligently to others... these methods of thinking and functioning in the world are the ONLY way we are going to evolve and move forward in this world.
Go Dartmouth! Fostering dialogue is the way to go
This is exactly I what I’ve been talking about. I wish every Chancellor and Provost at the Colleges and Universities in NY would see this and feel ashamed that silenced the student body voices, fears, culture and just everything. The Chancellor Matos of CUNY needs to resign immediately.
This is also why it's important to have diversity in higher education: these professors have a personal connection and knowledge of this topic. It doesn't mean they know everything, but it does mean that they have real and valuable insight that is relevant to any discussion of it. Moreover, they are engaging in true dialogue, which is the only way to bring peace in any scenario.
Well this is what our teaching institutions should be doing all over the country. BRAVOBto these professors by being the example that you can have diversity different viewpoints yet work together to achieve your goals
Thank you, professors for teaching students to think instead of indoctrinate. It's sad to see protesting college students echoing political talking points instead of looking for facts and forming their own opinions.
Yes, like believing your own eyes as you keep watching babies being pulled from the rubble…. Indeed, you are so right. 😉
@@rmzidannIf Israel were to show the world the images of the Hamas massacre, your eyes would see the horrible things that happened to babies there. But Israel has a policy to protect the psyches of the families and humanity around the world from that trauma. Whereas Hamas intentionally shows the terrible images to encourage sympathy and incite reaction worldwide.
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That's a cultural problem because we don't shut down people without facts. They say they have a right to an opinion. People do, but not if they have no idea what they're talking about
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Tell yourself that if you like. But they're not protecting anyone but themselves.
Politicians there are even gaslighting the victims of Hamas whether killed or kidnapped because THEY failed their people.
They want to cover up as much of the impact as possible.They don't want to answer questions about a lack of security or why they purposely chose radical Hamas over the PLO so they'd always have excuses to never come up with an agreement.
Netanyahu does not want to discuss how just maybe he wanted this to happen so he could avoid prison. My friends in Israel are saying he's not even giving interviews there. He's giving them here because Americans have deep pockets he wants a to fight into and are individually easy to hoodwink because we know the least about history on the civilized world.
Such impressive dialogue and initiative by these professors! Students should also understand that while they may not be able to have an impact on the present moment, they can establish knowledge, expertise and relationships that will allow them to have a broader and more important impact in the future - on this long conflict
Dr Heschel is a remarkable scholar. Her father was also a professor and activists during the 1960’s in the American South working for the civil rights cause.
This comment does not do justice. Prof Heschel's father was THE Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, Z"l. Rabbi Heschel was a titan of Jewish life, intellectualism, and Civil Rights! Rabbi Heschel marched with Martin Luther King Jr. and put his money where his mouth was at every point in his remarkable life! It's wonderful to see that his legacy lives on in such a brilliant, thoughtful, and wonderful woman as his daughter.
Thank you for taking the time to talk with these professors. What a great model for us all. In the interview, I felt their care and compassion. I also felt their committed focus through all the “sound bite noise” to help their Dartmouth community get through this heartbreaking and devastating time together.
Dartmouth middle Eastern department is leading in inclusion, diversity, human rights, student care, emotional intelligence, mentorship in partnership to solution difficulties and divisions.
Thank you ME Department for your excellent leadership. Our children need leaders working together with mutual respect.
Wow! I wish these professors would come to the University of Manitoba. I am impressed that these people are able to make distinctions between emotion and reason. It blows me away that they can speak openly without any risk of professional repercussion. Let’s put Prof H on tour!
Thank God for this interview… Voices of sanity and wisdom. Indeed, this was a bomb for my aching heart this morning.
The absolutely correct way to construct a learning environment where all sides can be heard. As the interim chief diversity officer, Curry College, we had this very conversation yesterday as we discussed this war. We even started off with an historical chronology that went back to biblical times. This direction can provide long, lasting effectiveness for students, faculty, and staff. Students 🌹
If only all our teachers were like them.
"We are a Community of Care." There is hope, even in the midst of horrible times. Thank you Professors, Thank you Dartmouth for having these two departments at a university, building relationships with each other and with their students. Democracy, Freedom, Humanism, Civil Discourse
Thank you! So wonderful to hear this.
Incredible piece.
Very encouraging. Thank you.
This is a good interview. Dartmouth seems to be doing this right.
“Its not fair to expect students to be able to deal with this effectively.” 💯
Thank you. What a pleasure to see people using their minds creatively in a difficult situation. But one might say that is what humanists are for.
I've watched these forums and they were truly informational. I wish these professors would do a global Q&A; the enemy of fear and hatred is knowledge.
Profound interview, thank you 🙏
To be commanded and be replayed in most of the other Ivy League Colleges.
Kudos to these models of being on the right side of humanity and intellectually moral discourse
WOW WOW WOW
THANK YOU 🙏 🙏🙏🙏
This conversation is exactly what we need. It was 1 WOW AHA after another. This is what collegiate leadership looks like. It reminds me of why I loved University. Because students get mentorship & guidance from BRILLIANT MINDS. Thank you thank you thank you 🙏 I will be sharing this far & wide.
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THANK YOU!!!!
This is such a relief to see that SOMEONE has created space for this kind of discourse on a campus.
These two professors got it right.
Beautiful! This is incredibly inspiring 🙏
Positive and intelligent....much appreciated.
Appreciate and tend to agree with much of what these folks say.
Fwiw, haf
She is brilliant
Eye opening
Thankful to listen to logic and reason. The media could be doing more of this… showing the power of communication and acting from a humane and compassionate position.
So much of the media coverage is narrow minded barnacle-like… just stuck in loop yelling who’s right and who’s wrong.
I really like Michel’s interview style.
Nobody expects the students to change the world - only themselves.
Most people care about civilians especially children being killed in all wars, all nationalities 😢
Good to see this - to work towards a solution constructively -
Young people must strive not to adopt the follies, grudges and bigotries of their fathers.
Read the statement from the Universal House of Justice in 1985, titled
“The Promise of World Peace”
If you show your support for Palestinians who were killed in Gaza, you should show your support for Israelis who were murdered on Oct-7-2023 in Israel too.
Kindness can change the world. Kindness can make peace. Kindness is the only way to stop this killing.
All colleges should adopt the Chicago Principles.
What a great academic example.
Political pandits,some journalists and wall street functionaries were attacking Havard Chair for a well balanced take on the issues. The problem is not the students; it is the public at large that attacked their position as a diverse group of learners including some chairs ...i still find that disgusting
Barack Obama is a War Criminal….Harvard Political Review
Dartmouth will attract all the donations in the world. Congrats
The 2 things I'm sure of is that blaming others never solves a problem and killing people, besides being an evil condemned by the abrahamic religions, solves nothing. Rather it increases polarization and radicalizes the opposed parties.
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Their words were indeed a balm. I would like to ask them to run for President and Vice President please...
A victim will victimize another unless healed. Healing necessitates validating pain, reclaiming voice, processing and then mediating to move forward.
The question I have is about the tunnel systems that exist under Israel and Gaza. Could there have been a tunnel system that Hamas used from either Gaza or the Sacred Temple of Jerusalem to trespass into Israel? Are there Satellites that could scan the tunnels in these areas?
Worrying developments, the censorship, growing fear, mob reactions, prosecutions for placards, chants, economic disenfranchisement, penalties for sharp criticism, sarcasm even rudeness. Even government involvement to temper college activism and even police bad behavior and legal violations seems a step too far.
These scenes are why we have wartime internment camps. Locked up for their safety and so our people don't go to jail for murder
Are you referencing Executive Order 9066? Which was either a horrific national disgrace, or just some white men doing regular white men things, depending on who you talked to while it was happening.
Excellent. Would that all colleges had such actually smart instructors and administrators. Why aren't we allowing far more discussion, at all levels of education? Get rid of testing....that'd help.
I have been looking for years, it is nowhere to be found, even a sophisticated detector could not find it: PEACE
How about that being truthful, not neutral? I think there is a need to call something for what it is to start understanding what one feels towards a situation. We have to establish a shared truth and reality but that is difficult in this age of propaganda, algorithms and inability to listen to another perspective; no one likes the feeling of the possibility being wrong.
....................... USA stay away from Netanyahu's mess.
The voices of reason in an era of questionable commercial civility where power dictates the size of the blast over the cries of civilians
Both have professional obligation to their students and university, Bravo, which is contrary to others acting as the Judge, Jury and Hangman all in one!
if Israel isn't a 'Apartheid state..then I would respectfully ask the professor.. How she would she view it ?
Unlike Judenrein Palestine and neighbouring Arab states Israel is a democracy with 1.5 million Arab Israeli citizens with equal rights and an Arab Supreme Court judge.
@@user-bo8nb2mi Thank you so. much for responding...good peaceful dialog is a commodity nowadays.......I'm not convinced that, Israel is a Democracy..yet . 2million Palestinians would require more representation wouldn't you think.
You have been told that over and over.
I appreciate your comment as well...I initially pose this question to the Professor...not in a mean spirited way but, simply looking at Israel's structure and how Palestinians are treated compared to western tourists and Israeli citizens. It's shameful to hear people in the media (whom I've had so much respect for]) and members of academia, who allow their personal feelings and/or heritage to cloud their thinking. I sincerely hope that, as Westerners (Americans) We can look ourselves in the mirror and show some courage and honesty address this matter. And put an end to blood shed... I pray to see a day when Israeli children and Palestinian children , can play and live in peace...
Education is key
Scholars who aren’t ideologues? Imagine that…
Palestines, ask Muslims Arab countries to give back all the land they stole from you first, instead of blaming Israel
Ms amapour interview with African leaders are NEVER this respectful
There can be no peace as long as the population of Gaza is suffering. With 80% of 2.4m people unemployed, and around 50,000 new adults every year looking for work, there is no realistic prospect for Gaza to provide jobs for all of these people. The fact that after the attack Israel will not let Gazans work in Israel anymore will only make this worse. There is no clear path to allow people in Gaza to prosper.
The only solution is to let the people of Gaza out. Don't force them to live in what they call an open air prison, let anyone from Gaza leave if they want. Those who wish it will be resettled in the west bank, Turkiye, Iran, Qatar etc.
You don't get the money scam, now over for billionaire leaders.
One of the saddest things I have ever seen is Russia and Ukraine, Israel and the Gaza strip, the US Republicans and Democrats being destroyed by their own people 😢
Illegal wars, occupations, regime change and proxy wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen…
A balm or a bomb?
Let Americans have their voice!
How dare Israel or anyone else try to quiet us?
It is healthy to argue on college campuses!
Violence is criminal and will be handled as such.
How dare you call out just Israel first?
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This is "theoretical bubble blowing"
Academia is a non-real space of 'scholarship'
Conflict continues in real life - and what academics do, say, or think doesn't matter when push comes to shove
I couldn't agree more. But the media could learn this because right now the news in particular is shallow, baseless and without historical context and just seeking emotional effect.
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fomenting antisemitism is now considered fostering dialogue?
there are no both sides
there is one side...created by the kgb and spread through academia by operatives like edward said
and then there is the truth
The only response is stating the true history since 1948 and you should state how Hamas had tried to seek freedom since 2006 including the great march of 2018 and how was it met
Israel's rights to the land are documented throughout history, even in the Quran 5:21, and were recognized by the Supreme Allied Powers post World War 1, which included the UK, France, Italy, Japan, and other nations, and later enshrined in U.S. law in the Anglo-American Treaty in the 1920s. These rights were also recognized by the League of Nations and by the United Nations. This recognition under international law has endured for over one hundred years, and is based on the same international legal process that provided and recognized Arab sovereignty in the various nations in the Middle East post WW1, including Iraq (known as Mesopotamia under the Ottoman Turks), Syria, Lebanon, Trans-Jordan (later Jordan), northern Arabia (later part of Saudi Arabia), etc
The UN Partition Resolution offered the Arabs LIVING IN PALESTINE a state alongside the Jewish state. The Arabs of Palestine - and the surrounding countries - REJECTED the UN offer. Instead, on 14 May, 1948, five Arab nations invaded with the intention of destroying the Jewish state. In other words, it was the Palestinians and five Arab countries that tried, by destroying the Jewish state, to steal the land from the Israelis.
@@user-bo8nb2mi please allow me to stay in your house for 1 year without rent ... you can manage elsewhere ... sorry i cant it not mentioned in any holy book .. how dare I ask ..!!!!
I wish Amanpour herself had taken their advice. She's an otherwise intelligent woman but she has not been even handed or sometimes not seemingly very educated on context.or root causes of issues. Does she even want to be ?
I remember her doing an interview with Bashir Al Assad. It was horrible. It was a rare opportunity because he was right in front of her. It seemed at the beginning of the interview he expected more of her intellectually as well.
She didn't try to investigate what was going on in Syria at all. She didn't educate her audience. She was just a combatant for drama.
I had to go off and do my own research because that interview was so useless. And, what I found out made what she did seem corrupt. There was no reference to how Assad got into office because we helped his father in a coup over a democratically elected leader like we did a lot of baathist including Saddam Hussein. There was no question about his philosophy v the people rebelling during the civil war. There was no discussion of why and how the US was involved.
It's the media's responsibility to help educate the public but they've often totally missed the boat. They're a big part of the reason a lot of Americans are not self reflective and fall prey so often to American exceptionalism. If Americans had a firmer grasp of our past maybe we'd make better decisions about the future.
CIA title 50 Operation commissioned by President Obama. (CIA Operation Timber Sycamore 2012-2017)…The CIA training and arming insurgents and rebels in Jordan and inserting them into the Syrian Civil War to topple the Assad government…Credited with introducing Isis into Syria, drawing Russia in at Syria’s request, and responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.
I learned a lot about her in an interview of her, in a Family Circle magazine from 1978 or 79. How she grew up, why she became a journalist. How she has managed to survive so many things beyond her control. It helps to understand where she's coming from and what she's known for a very, very long time, since childhood. I continue to have a great deal of respect for her as a person with the risks she's endured, and still takes. I would not assume she didn't investigate. It doesn't mean she doesn't tire, like anyone would, of history repeating.
I don't say this from a position of hate; in the contrary, I say this as a Christian with love of my fellow man and kindness. I see far to many blind guides if you will..Making statements that, protect their personal wealth and statue from personal assassination and persecution. Traditionally and historically the Jewish people have keep such historical accounts throughout the ages. I say the Palestinian people in parallel are recording their accounts as well . As a gentle, each account sounds very quite simular. And it's time that the veil is removed. The world is not listening to our youth of today. Because, shamefully and selfishly, we have robbed them of their global inheritance...thank you and may God bless us all
👑Paslms 122:6🙏Pray for the peace of Jerusalem🇮🇱they will prosper that 🩵👑
Pray for what? God gave people everything they need already to resolve this. They just don't want to. Humans have free will they can use for good or ill. Don't lay this in God's lap. It's not God's problem or fault.
Why not just go ahead and say I'm not really planning on doing anything about it ? Just like we do every other kind of human suffering.
Great job and I applaud it.....whay is USRAHELL call8ng Palestine a jewish only state and why they not creating this forums in Palestine
Bleh....
Well said.
Fostering dialogue?
Ha ha! That's a good one.
One side only is permitted to "dialogue."
As is normal at Ivy League schools.
"Never Again" and "Never Forget" shouldn't apply only to Jewish people. Gaza is the biggest concentration camp in the world. How is it right the way that Israel has been treating Palestinians for the past 75 years?
These two are models for a way out of this hellfire
Thank you
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