EPISODE 112: A Conversation with Gender Clinic Whistleblower, Jamie Reed
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- “Every Ethical Line I Drew Was Walked On…We Are Hurting People” Jamie Reed
In this episode, hear a personal first-hand whistleblower account of the harmful practices taking place inside an American gender clinic. Jamie Reed, a former Case Manager at the Washington University School of Medicine Pediatric Transgender Center at St Louis Children’s Hospital reflects on her experiences inside the clinic that ultimately lead to her profound decision to file for whistleblower protection from the Missouri Attorney General’s office in order to publicly express her concerns with the judgment and care provided for the patients at the gender clinic.
Jamie, who herself identifies in the LGBTQIA community and is also a proud mother of 5 children, has a Bachelor’s Degree in Cultural Anthropology and a Master’s of Science in Clinical Research Management. In her conversation with Sasha & Stella, along with her attorney, Vernadette Broyles, not only does Jamie describe the experiences that lead to her ultimate formal filing of her concerns, but both Jamie and Vernadette speak to the protections available to other clinicians and workers in this field that feel too intimidated to speak out about their observations and concerns.
Vernadette Ramirez Broyles is the President and General Counsel of Child Parental Rights Campaign, Inc., a not-for-profit public interest law firm that engages in litigation and advocacy across the country to protect children’s health and defend parental rights from the impacts of gender identity ideology. Ms. Broyles received her law degree from Harvard Law School and received her undergraduate degree in Biology from Yale University.
Links:
Affidavit of Jamie Reed
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Child & Parental Rights Campaign, Inc.
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Appearance on the Triggernometry Podcast
• Trans Clinic Whistlebl...
Interview with The Free Press
• Jamie Reed Blows the W...
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
04:14 Interview with Jamie Reed begins
10:31 How the theory of "affirmation only" can go wrong
17:23 Talking about what happened with parental concerns
23:16 The similarities between what Jamie witnessed and what happened with GIDS at the Tavistock
29:38 "There were actual lies told"
35:00 Jamie's first interactions with a detransitioner from the clinic
39:00 It's not just "masculine girls"!
42:52 Jamie Reed's "red flag" list
47:59 I said, "we are hurting people!"
52:50 The decision to become a whistleblower
01:09:50 The abdication of responsibility
I work at the university that Jamie worked. I rallied at Wash U on "Detransition Awareness day" but had to do so in a mask and cover-up so I wouldn't be fired. We got a lot of blow-back from VERY angry trans folk who tried to bully us into leaving. it was weird. There were several trans people who demonstrated WITH us because they too realized that kids are being needlessly and permanently hurt.
Even with the necessary masking, thanks for standing up against this horror
@@Iwoasasaned Thanks for thanking me. I'm 60 years old and I have to admit, I was kinda scared because the trans people were MEAN! However, a larger-than-life trans woman stepped in between me and the aggressors for a while, and gave me a bit of a break. She took some of the heat off of me. She's my FB friend now and only lives a few hours away. I hope to visit her soon and give her another BIG FAT HUG!
Lll
I have heard of the mob swarm, been trying to get the churches to engage as well. EVERYONE NEEDS TO PROTECT THE VULNERABLE!!!!
Make sure the crowd that harasses you isn't hired. There's a company that provides flash mobs and crowds for any purpose all across the country. They're based in Beverly Hills. I forget the name but it's something like Hire A Crowd. Everyone signs nondisclosure agreements. Politicians use them a lot. The job, technically, is "activist," but the activists are just out of work actors and college kids.
This interview needs to go viral.
The “pro-trans” activists will never let that happen.
It sure does
Yes it does. I'm sharing it
Hope so
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It's staggering in such a litigious society as America that these healthcare centers and practitioners haven't been sued into oblivion.
They need to be. I think the lawsuits will slowly trickle in and then there will be a huge wave.
My understanding is that when doctors/clinics follow the “guidelines” it is extremely difficult to get any sort of litigation off the ground.
I know there are a few big detransitioners who are trying to get lawsuits going but there are tons of hurdles before even getting to a court room.
@@echo795Well it now makes sense why there are attempts to silence detransistitioners and people who are actually clincally diagnosed with gender dysphoria? The lawsuits may be coming. The issues of 1) consent and 2) the rapid fire diagnosis of gender dysphoria are concerning.
The consent issue of whether children could legally consent to (even with parental consent) receiving HRT and medical surgeries they do not understand or understand the longterm effects of. Also for children and even the young adults who allege they felt pressured to transition, the issue of whether they could legally consent with the other mental health issues (ie autism, depression, bipolar) they were suffering through will come to the forefront.
The rapid fire diagnosis of gender diagnosis is problematic. Why were they done so quickly? What questions were asked by the mental health and medical professionals? How can individuals who allegedly had other mental health problems diagnose themselves with gender dsyphoria and then be put on HRT and/or have plastic surgery so quickly?? Were all those mental health issues ruled out before they put them on HRT and performed the plastic surgery??
The damages can be established by showing the resulting effects to the detrans lives and future quality of life...sterilization, inability to have sex and orgasms, hysterectomy, more surgeries in the future to fix problems, and more mental health issues. These LGBT activists, LGBT organizations and academics promoting the gender ideology theories are alleged to have received donations from all these medical centers. This a conflict of interest and these activists and centers could face lawsuits also.
These detransistitioners are a medical malpratice and personal injury attorneys' dream case. However, it is sad because it is not about the money. These people needed therapy and help; and the ability to have normal childhoods and the chance to have normal adult lives. Transitioning for adults is one thing also and that will likely need to be revisited as well because of this.
This should all be exposed. The horse is following the cart. Known NORMAL growth n developement is AWKWARD. And noone is mentioning the responsibility of the push from public schools! Where its status to to be ' antisocial and sexually confused' almost empowering the child/ teen. School teachers are stating ' you cannot trust your parents' this is REAL. Its an agebda to confuse already confued adolescents.
It will NEVER happen because you cannot sue them if ALL the Medical Community says that Gender Transition is beneficial for the child.
Thank you to the lawyer for asking to cut through the euphemisms. The euphemisms ( top , surgery, bottom surgery, gender affirmation etc ) should not routinely be used without clearly stating the reality of what they disguise.
Agree completely. We cede ground to gender idenitarians when we use their words
Yes!!!
Agreed. All of this should be put into layman terms so everyone can understand what is going on and how damaging these practices are.
I agree I hate that it’s referred to as top and bottom surgery, it sterilizes the reality. I looked up these surgeries after months of putting it off but I had to know what was in store for these kids. Barbaric is the word that comes to mind. I’ll never forget those pictures and it should never be done to young people. Like jazz Jennings. Or the 16 year old that dr Marci bowers said was his youngest patient. It’s a disgrace!
100%. Distorting language is the weapon this ideology relies on. And SIMPLE, PLAIN ENGLISH is it's greatest vulnerability.
We need to ALWAYS use sex-correct pronouns, and talk about "men who self-ID as trans", rather than ,"""trans-women""".
And """top surgery"""",, """the Wrong Puberty""", """gender affirming care"""; Much better to speak in simple, plain English, than adopt these creepy NewSpeak euphemisms, designed to make needless, stereotype-enforcing mutilation seem all flowery and pleasant.
"A heart-rending lack of informed consent..." Well put.
Vernadette's points about the suicide narrative being imposed on children is such an important point , and she expresses it so clearly , and with appropriate reference to how it breaches established principles and protections . I am so grateful that she is putting her clear voice and legal skill behind stopping this atrocity.
This is so affirming to someone like me who has serious concerns for young people, but also feel constrained in commenting due Tuesday current atmosphere of condemnation for anyone who does not 100% applaud any, and every decision by a young person to transition.
100%. Trans activists are ENCOURAGING the MOST vulnerable children to lethally self-harn; They do this, by encouraging "transition" (which raises risk sulcide to its maximum, in this demographic).
But also by constantly pushing the narrative that "trans kids WILL self-harm, if you don't submit to our demands!!!!" Basically putting the idea in the heads of the most vulnerable, confused kids, telling them "we EXPECT you to do this", and spelling out "this is how you can get leverage, to demand that your parents/doctors etc submit to WHATEVER demands you make, HOWEVER reasonable/unreasonable those demands may be..."
The lack of elementary biology notions is unbelievable !!! Both for children but especially for the adults. It is already two generations of people not schooled in the realities of life 😢😢
Yes!! Its called NORMAL to be confused in preteen adolescents.
This form of ' medicine' is a money maker!!!! Lobotomies were once thought to be an answer!!! Our children R human petrie dishes n and aroundcthe world. And GREED to make $$$$$$
It's not that they don't know, they don't care
All of psychiatry is like this, all psychiatrists are pill-pushers. My mom is a research doctor and she always told me growing up, "if you want to get sick, go see a doctor."
There's nothing for it but to run away.
I live in Spain and went to see a psychiatrist twice in the last year. Both times they prescribed me serious drugs and they barely asked me anything about symptoms. It was way too fast and too easy. I don’t trust them, they come across just like legal drug dealers.
I want my PhD in psychiatry. I'm not a sheeple and can think for myself. These people grooming our children need to be stopped!!!!!
Thank you Sasha and Stella for giving whistle-blowers a platform. And thank you, Jamie, for your bravery in speaking out. We parents need more clinicians like you! You're in excellent hands with Vernadette and Ernie. They are the best!
I am SO impressed by Jamie. I've been eagerly waiting for this episode to come out ever since I found out she was coming on.
I don't know if she reads any comments, but if so... Jamie, i am a liberal gay Missourian and i think what you're doing is incredibly important. I am inspired by your bravery and decorum in the face of the institution you are whistleblowing and the defamatory nonsense that has been spread about you since you spoke up. Not everyone can see it yet, but you have done something that will protect Missouri's children, especially neurodivergent and those who will grow up to be LGB, from sterilization and other iatrogenic harms. I do see that; i have no doubt there are others around our state who see it too. Thank you for your integrity.
This interview needs to be seen by everyone.
I agree I’ve share it where I can
I shared it too.
It's disturbing how people still don't seem to realise the nature and history of what WPATH is. It's not some once respectable professional org that has been infiltrated and compromised ( eg the endocrine society). WPATH was always an extremist and fringe group with documented perverse motivations , and it only acquired a cloak of respectability ( and a broader subscription ) very recently ( post the name change ) , and they are still controlled by extremist interests ( both the interests that founded the group , and those of the bloc that funded the transformation/ expansion).
PLEASE tell me more about this. I know about “The Eunuch Archives” stuff, but is there anything else?
Amazing podcast. I'm a 51 year old woman and went through a gender crisis from an early teen. It wasn't until I had a spiritual awakening and realised this is just a vehicle for one life and have to love the body I'm in. We are in a spiritual war.
Raising religious objections in this can only hurt the cause. It cannot help. Your religion may have dissuaded you from being trans or whatever, but treating this as a "spiritual war" is probably not a good idea.
“Pray the gay away” oh boy here we go…
Don't let the naysayers dismiss your perspective. I've been an atheist and I understand your spiritual side. We cannot change fact of biology but many will try.
@@roleat I disagree. OP is just confirming the myth that one is "born into" a body. This is NOT going to help further the cause of stopping this travesty. Let's stick to science, and leave religion out of it. The body is not "just a vehicle" - the body is the human being.
Submit this video to all professional colleges as education!
Utterly heartbreaking at 45.00
So much empathy throughout this whole interview from everyone.
A big thanks to everyone on the video. That was powerful.
This was definitely an important one. When Jamie got choked up and cried through her thought process at that end point; omg heartbreaking 💔
Yes, it was very moving
'God complex'! 'Patients'. 'Masculine presentation'. 'Look the part'. 'Top surgery'. 'Blockers'. 'T'. 'Informed consent'. 'Hormones'. 'Monopoly on Power'! All words that need deconstruction! My head is spinning with comments, thoughts, physical reactions to this in-depth talk too. And walking back constantly, through my own life, as a non conforming lesbian who had to find my own way in life all through the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s with no guidance whatsoever. I did so much self study and there was the gay & lesbian rights and women's & lesbian/feminist liberation movement which I was very active in. And in my twenties I volunteered in an alternative welfare movement for a number of years, helping youth who were falling through the cracks, or were passed on to us because established and 'professional' mental health providers didn't know what to do with them. There was a hard drugs crisis in Western Europe, there was alcohol abuse, homelessness, self harm, pregnant teen girls, the fall out of 'flower power' ideals. Then self help groups, transactional analysis (I'm OK, You're OK). There was a lot of self empowerment in grass roots levels. Radical feminist therapy groups etc etc etc. Face to face, not like now with everyone sitting in their lone bubble doing their own 'research' on the internet. This whole 🤑 medical complex needs turning inside out! Yes Bernadette, there is a monopoly on power in medical settings! I've always been a critic of psychiatry and their drugs. They harmed millions, if not billions of women and men in the past with valium prescriptions and mass electro convulsion treatments. John Money prescribed them to thousands of women and misdiagnosed many of them as schizophrenia as well. (Janet Frame in NZ) And here we go again on a mass scale, with teenagers, pre-teens even! I've also been a childcare worker outside the school system where I could encourage kids (5-12 yr old) to run their own centres. I guided them but they were very capable of indicating what they needed from those places that were there for them. They learned from each other! They had great conflict resolution skills and so much creativity. Bring back the scouting movement, kids camps, a youth centre in every suburb! Use technology for creativity and not social media distraction. Thank you so much for this podcast and all the others. Your work Stella and Sasha IS like huge ripples in the water! Swirling out and out across the world. And Jamie, I hear you Sister, you've done some deep self reflection as a lesbian too, this is bringing truth and malpractice to the surface. There is so much unethical disembodiment out there in EPATH, WPATH and AUSPATH circles. The profit making in 'medicine'. Taking back personal power, going back to self help and natural medicine, even bio-identical hormones as a healthier option than synthetic, anything is better than the Gods that are harming children with hormones and surgeries. This has to stop NOW! Amen 🙏💪⚕♀♂🔥🌱✊💥💜💋
It's incredible how the fact that there was never a differential diagnosis process did not set off the alarms of any trained psychologist recruited for that work.
The minimal consent format surprised me (sort of), and the first comparison I thought of was the consent to psychotherapy forms I have signed, sometimes several pages long! Was she saying the therapy consent forms were more complex than the medical consent forms? Outrageous. Also the fact that youngsters who knew little about their biology, or were females presenting as females (for example) is outrageous to me. It seems clear that at that clinic, at least, there were agendas that were about making money AND AFFIRMING the beliefs of the people in charge, not the welfare of the patients.
This was terrifying and incredibly revealing. It takes a lot of courage to speak up in this way. I suspect that this isn't an isolated incident as standard of care is probably an evolving disciplinary standard that's shared across clinical and medical networks - but even if this is just this individual clinic exemplifying the potential dangers of this care - Jamie's account needs to be seriously considered when examining the entire legitimacy of these interventions and the standards in place. Ideological bias, industry capture, financial motivations and just plain old human mediocrity or negligence can have catastrophic effects on vulnerable individuals. The fact that these experimental surgeries and hormone manipulation can be okayed so casually is an indictment of the standards and regulations in place. I can't believe that adults can be so cavalier about radically altering a child's entire physiology. Further proof that the medical and research fields are just as subject to corruption as most other institutions and should never be implicitly trusted. In fact, these fields may be more subject to corruption because of their belief in their own infallibility.
This may not be a perfect analogy, but an endocrinologist as a part of the "transgengering" process is like an electrician hired out as a specialist in building a house. However, an electrician is working in a concrete physical space, like the carpenters or drywallers etc. Having an endocrinologist work on a person's "identity" is like fixing a tv set because you don't like the tv program (I credit Thomas Szasz for this quote).
I agree. They are relying on the mental health people to do an adequate job of counselling and screening the people who will and won't benefit from hormone treatment.
“Look what I did with this body” - I worked at a psychiatric clinic for a decade, and I definitely got a god complex vibe from some of the doctors regarding gender. They also loved being at the front line of this phenomenon, holier than thou
It's disturbing because these surgeries and medical hormone treatments are experimental and Nuremberg type use of children as guinea pigs. I believe many of these "doctors/surgeons" are sadists and psychopathic satanists! George Soros, Karl Marx would be proud!
Oh that is horrible! Not love and what's best, just experimental, arrogant I'm special type of narcissism from the doctors
😢😢😢
I think that is absolutely the reason this whole "cross-sex hormone therapy" businesses came about in the first place
Surgery attracts psychopaths. Who else is comfortable carving up otherwise perfectly healthy bodies.
Very powerful conversation - the ethical implications of this model of "care" are huge. This is a safeguarding time bomb. Thanks for this!
As a former nurse... ER/OR... i find it interesting that there seems to be NO talk about the mental "health" medications these CHILDREN are/have been put on PRIOR to "presenting"... THAT is where I feel a BIG CLUE as to the contagion of this ideology lies... 🇺🇸
interesting question. Most families I've worked with have not medicated their children prior to the identity questioning, but perhaps in some cases those may be linked
I have a hard time believing any person ever saw their own genitalia and thought "that shouldnt be there!" who didnt have brain damage.
Now, a person seeing the different treatment of someone not of their sex, getting jealous and deciding "i want to be other sex therefore my genitalia are wrong" makes 100% sense to me.
You dont feel like either a man or a woman. You feel like you. You are unique, in a group of one, and you only have that one experience. You cannot compare your experience of you to any other experience or anyone elses experience.
I am in awe that these interviews have become more moving, more powerful and more important than the last.
Amazing!
People in media need to stop telling these young people this is reversible.
Another amazing episode. I really hope Jaime’s story inspires others to blow the whistle. Jaime is coming from this with such compassion and integrity, I greatly admire her. Also to note, Jaime being a Lesbian shows how the larger LGBTIABC++++ community really need to reflect on their blind support of gender ideology, as I gay man, I know the community needs a lot more Jaime’s
They kicked out of academic medical and psychiatric institutions
This clinic speaks volumes of the rampant medical malpractice that is endemic across the entire US medical system. Profit takes precedence over care. Scapegoating the transgender community and reducing their condition to an ideology does not resolve this problem. Anyone who is led to believe that gender affirming care will solve all their problems is being deeply misled. It is important to also understand there is no one stop shop for gender care. When I transitioned I went to a clinical psychologist, psychiatrist, GP and workshops and support groups months before I saw an endochrnologist. I also spent years trying not to be trans and queer and spent years in therapy as I thought it was wrong. I had a lot of internalised transphobia and homo/biphobia. The job of the endo was to assess my program of hormones. Nothing more or less,
Hi Bianca, thanks for sharing your thoughts and a bit about your experience w transition.
@@widerlenspod Thank you. I'm happy to discuss further.
@@biancawilloughby9980Oh yes! -- that's the same careful, conscientious, responsible process my trans friends went through -- genuinely Informed Consent. Three of my friends are trans, two trans women and one trans man, and they all transitioned as adults after a lot of counseling and therapy, so they KNEW this was the best option for them.
Two I didn't meet until after they'd transitioned; but one I've known for over 10 years, and even before she ever changed anything physically, I think she already seemed female on a spiritual level to me as a cis woman. . . I know when we first met, even though she looked like a guy, she was more like my female friends than my male friends.
There's such a huge difference between people who really are transgender, for whom transition is the best option, and people who aren't transgender but who are being rushed into a process that's going to hurt them.
There needs to be MUCH more care in the medical and psychological system, to differentiate between transgender people and people who aren't transgender but who have different medical/psychological needs. . .
Wow. No written consent?! Verbal based on what an affirming therapist says?! Wow wow wow. That clinic should be shut down based on that alone.
Right there is fodder for gigantic expensive malpractice lawsuit. No informed consent. I don’t think there is any way a Dr could wriggle out of that. If such a case were to make it to trial, a jury would find for the client and come back with a judgment of many millions.
Also - I have been trying to find the answer to this part. So many de-transitioners (twitter) say they didn’t understand the ramifications of the treatment they were “agreeing” to. What is the responsibility of the practitioners to ensure the patient understand? A signature under duress? Vs actually understanding the information?
All of the employees benefitted financially from human experimentation on children.
I have learned a lot in the past few days, having watched numerous videos on the topic. One thing that I would offer as an absolute is that gender identity is a big business and that it is being managed as such. There is no profit in turning prople away.
I think I recall seeing in medical literature some discussion that the “first do no harm” line needed to be reinterpreted into something like “do whatever the patient wants.” Not in those words, of course, but the idea seemed to be to coerce healthcare professionals into abandoning any conscientious objections and treating under threat of alternative harm accusations. That may explain a part of the lack of ethics among today’s healthcare professionals.
Look at all the drs that pushed the vaccine - they don’t care about the patients anymore
OMG...everyone's responsible for believing this is a medical problem! Why can't we question this fundamental assertion? Thanks again for letting me comment.
My recent experience at a hospital is that they always looking to recruit new patients. The drugs they push you out the door with alone, obvious they expect you back for more.
Thank you all for this work, this conversation, this level of caring, responsible, advocacy.
Jamie . THANK YOU for speaking up.This interview must be compulsory viewing for parents and for every legislature in the country. These clinics are recruitment agencies.
This is transhumanism. Treating the body like a machine to satisfy whims.
Wonderful work on a devastating subject.
As a breast cancer survivor who underwent a double mastectomy, I cannot fathom any physician doing this surgery to a 15 year old, based on bunk pseudo science. Shame on all these surgeons. I hope we will see class action lawsuits soon, and put these butchers put of work.
thank you for sharing this
The conversation from 37mins re masculine vs feminine presentation of intended F2M is important and often neglected . There is a large subset of "ROGD " girls / young women who are uber girly ( to the extent that they can make actually gender nonconforming included females uncomfortable) , and I think that's because that uber girly and uber group oriented girls are representative of the demographic and personality demographic most vulnerable to social contagion.
These social contagion girly-girl transitioners are very different to the young lesbians and young physically more masculine young women who are also victim's sex by a social madness but in a more complex way where it impacts the available apparent " solutions " to genuine discomfort ( albeit misinterpreted ) around social responses to gender roles.
I've noticed this as well. It's really some of the "cool" kids who are really into trans issues, and some of the traditionally nerdy kids, especially girls with autism who don't necessarily blend well socially and fashion-wise, often feel mocked by how "accepting" these popular girls are. It's as if the world has been turned on its head.
Anyone who *doesn't* come forward when they KNOW harm is being done is complicit.
It's not a "mistake" and you're not blameless when you know it's wrong and you fail to act.
Take time to protect yourself from backlash if needed, but do ACT.
You’re talking as if the consequences are minimal. Telling the truth can destroy your life now. It makes sense people are not speaking up.
@@snorgonofborkkad the consequences are huge , and that doesn't alter the fact that anyone who " goes along to get along with this " IS complicit.
@@snorgonofborkkad While I agree with your comment, on the flip side, when it comes out that this medical disaster is on the same lines as thalidomide, will these people, who know it's wrong but do nothing, be able to hold their heads up, because I couldn't. I would have to be a Jamie.
When the mid-podcast advert comes on and Stella say “we hope you are enjoying this episode”, it seemed so ironic. I certainly don’t think I’m enjoying what Jamie is saying. Horrified, and then more horrified. And I’ve read Jamie’s article and see the triggernometry episode. Thank you for the episode, but yes, not enjoying it.
Good point - it's a recorded insert but perhaps we should rephrase it
Yeah that is jarring. There's another channel I watch who uses "appreciate" instead of "enjoy" for their insert, which works better when the topic is something like this.
Just yesterday in Australia the main professional indemnity/ malpractice insurers announced they will no longer cover any affirmation interventions for under 18s. Because of expected litigation. Hospitals and commercial practices can still do the work and will have to insure the doctors etc working there. Actuaries will start to insist on tighter guidelines for what’s insurable.
Of course, doctors here must be insured. I don’t know if that’s true elsewhere
Why do some people NOT fall for this stuff while others do?
Common sense.
I'm grateful I didn't go to uni at 18, I probably would have fallen for this stuff hook line and sinker..
It's incredible when grown adults fall for it. Understandable when kids groomed into this ideology fall for it.
I would bet that it depends on Agreeableness. Highly agreeable people will try to avoid conflict and go with the flow, people low in agreeableness would be more likely to question and challenge. How do people wind up more or less agreeable? I have no idea.
Cognitive bias
Endocrinologists (good ones like Will Malone) are concerned with keeping hormones within normal limits, its the zealots that are crazy
Bring Will Malone back for a part 2 interview please 🙏🏾
Good idea!
No words. Thank you Jamie.
Thank you so much to Jamie for being brave enough to come forward with this information. And thank you to Stella and Sasha for all you do. Sending big hugs and so much love to you both! I look forward to your podcast every week.
Thanks so much, Regina
Great chat ladies. Thank you. 🐿
this is so heartbreaking
Damn these types of discussions always make me cry. These poor babies. I’m thankful for whistleblowers to stop this madness but some of these doctors need to be in prison. Child abuse, full stop.
This is the clinic near my home. Thank you for speaking up.
Well done for speaking out, Jamie. Same to all of you.
The lack of ethical process at that clinic is truly alarming.
Powerful story. You two mention Jung and psychotherapy a lot. I'm wondering if you would be interested in a discussion on the deeper drives and problems of subjectivity at play with one or more lacanian theorists.
Great idea!
Thank you.
I keep up with everything Jamie Reed does; every time she does an interview, I say " God Bless you, Jamie Reed" and I mean it. Thank you Jamie. She cares, she didn't forget their names, and she did not allow her lines to be crossed. She is brave.
These institutions need to be heavily investigated.
This was so powerful. Thank you all. 💔🙏
If it takes Republicans to stop this then fine. I can't think of anything worse than this.
I mean, I can. It's really worrying that everything is assigned a position on the political spectrum. Ages ago my husband said something like "we should be able to vote for policies instead of parties" and it blew my mind - firstly that I hadn't thought of it and secondly how simple that is.
@@meretriciousinsolent when I wrote that I was considering the plight of women wanting abortions so if the Republicans get in and tackle the gender clinic issue women may lose reproductive rights. So I don't know.
@@meretriciousinsolentI agree. Not harming children should not be a political issue. Our kids are not democrats or republicans.
@@kamaliancirranoush1916 I agree as well, but the problem is that there is such a divide and adherence to either/or (I’ve been openly mocked on social media and comments for being “moderate” - the usual claims are cowardice and moving the goal post) that the Democratic Party refuses to budge on these issues and even if they don’t believe in it on a personal level, they continue to double down and present as a solid and uniform opinion on the matter. I think that one possible way to break this filibuster is for each party to see their constituents send a clear message that these issues are not homogenous and WILL cause a loss of positions and power if pushed. Otherwise there seems to be no stopping it as there’s no repercussions. Perhaps the grand solution would be to introduce more party options but historically independents have not fared well at the polls. 🤷🏻♀️ I’ve mostly voted Democrat until a couple years ago. I’m old enough to remember when it was Republicans who were the intractable ones bombing planned parenthood centers and wanting to censor everyone with the ends always justifying the means. It’s wild seeing this shift. Like I landed in bizarro world.
@@meretriciousinsolent Yeah, while I applaud *some* parts of the bills banning transition medicalization for minors in some red states, make no mistake about the fact that many of these bills are introduced and supported by bigoted, homophobic, and transphobic people. That doesn't mean I wouldn't vote the same way as they do, but be careful about your bed fellows, as some of these folks really do hate anyone who's different.
I understand the meaning of being thrown to the wolves but I feel like wolves look after their young community members better than this organisation did.
It’s more like chicken being thrown to the wolves, not their own pups
Thank you! I hope your courage calls to more people to stand up. You are a beacon!❤
When I had severe neck pain doctor told me to warm a vet towel in microwave and put towards the neck. I felt if I was 13yr old they'd offer me a castration and hormonal therapy as a treatment for everything.
This is an excellent interview. Thank you for your work.
Michigan - I definitely agree that patients were pushed through gender reassignment without addressing underlying mental disorders, i.e., personality disorder, Autism, etc.. This was my experience with someone.
So sad that these children, adults are being exploited, experimented on, mutilated, medically damaged. 💔 💔 💔
Autism is not a mental illness. It's a neurodevelopment disorder!
Thank you for very thoughtful and important conversation. Much respect to Jamie
When the pendulum finally swings back the other way, and it will, the number of lives ruined through this money grab is going to be catastrophic! We're talking 19yo with catheters for the rest of their lives, 16yo that'll never have breats again, paralyzed limbs, constant infections, cancers from hormones, colostomy bags. It's truly heartbreaking.
I am in law school and background in clinical researcher. I am a liberal and just woke up last week ever since I started looking into things after CalIfornia Passed the bill for minors to affirm their gender behind their back. Thank you for wht you guys are doing! It is making a difference!
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Thank you so much for sharing this. I'm a concerned parent, and have been following this subject for a while now. I'm thankful to Jamie for daring to be a whistleblower, it certainly hits different when you are receiving the information from someone who was literally on the inside. It's easy for many people to brush off any criticism to this trans ideology when it comes from right-leaning or religious people (of which I am neither), so dissenting voices from the liberal side carry weight.
Again, thank you Jamie for your courage and thank you "a Wider Lens" for framing this with such grace.
This is a helpful conversation. I personally see this sad situation as a direct result of social media-driven black and white thinking, not just in our children but in many clinicians who have now grown up with social media. This business of making important life choices based on Facebook slogans or tik tok bull**** is a road to ruin for families. Where is the patience, the integrity (calling double mastectomies formerly considered the tragic last resort of breast cancer patients a cute name 🤦♀️) the genuine compassion for young people struggling through puberty as we all did? Good Lord we’ve lost all perspective and common sense. Such a permanent solution to what may quite possibly be a temporary situation.
The " mental health providers " are the ones who are directing the interventions , and who are meant to be doing assessment ( but clearly aren't , because without differential diagnosis, there is no real assesment).
Good point
Incredible content, very informative. Keep up the great work ladies.
This was so eye opening. Absolutely astonishing that most people qualified. That is alarming, that doesnt happen in most places!
8:05 oh my gosh! Jamie is doing the right thing. You can just feel that she is speaking from the heart.
Asking for puberty blockers right away is a red flag. I've learned so much from these ladies.
18:50 Verbal consent is INSANE! I can't understand why it was the process either. EXACTLY! You can't get a tattoo, but you can yet hormone blockers and a hysterectomy and mastectomy?!
50:50 Jamie, you are doing the right thing. You are spot on, there has to be a balance.
Sasha's comments are very insightful
I brought my teen to GEMS thinking the same, thinking I was finally going to have someone that can answer my many questions and concerns that are statements my daughter has made. Her mental health ect.
The only answer I recieved was "We see this allot"
To personal texts from my daughter, from neuropsychologists, "We see allot of that"
I sat in disblief, screaming inside my head "WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS NOTHING"
Their treatment is having her wait a year in-between each appointment, in hopes of she gives up or turns 18yrs old and goes somewhere else.
This interview was excellent, I struggled through the pain of hearing the truth from someone who worked in the same type of hospital.
I've wondered far to many times how these doctors, psychologist ect sleep at night.
Thank you so MUCH for all you are doing, all of you!
I am really grateful that this woman speaks up....
I highly suggest that people read the book Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier. Excellent read and very well researched. Among young girls, this is definitely a social contagion.
Great interview! Thank you ❤
Beautiful! Just perfect. Thank you, Megyn! 👏🏼👏🏼
I find it absolutely DESPICABLE that patients are blamed.
Parents?? I have slightly less sympathy for them bc where is their "fiduciary responsibility"? I'm a parent and I REFUSE to be a party to harming my child.
Ok... I do understand not all parents trust themselves to do their own critical thinking... or are capable... whatever the case may be. I was never allowed to pass blame to anyone else for my own CHOICES and ... as an adult? as a parent?? Never.
CLEARLY those with the education training and experience are in fact ultimately responsible. "Just following orders" *doesn't* absolve them... especially when they've taken an oath "primum non nocere".
It is the doctors responsibility to assure that his decisions on how to treat are made with full knowledge of each patient's history and ensuring that ALL prior criteria for treatment is met. These kids aren't emergency room trauma patients. There's TIME to THINK!!!
Parents are gaslit from several directions. They are frightened to lose their children. Not all, but a lot. OTOH I know one who is actively pushing their child towards it and I am really losing my patience there.
go look at the pitt substack -- schools, therapists, doctors collude with the young person, as young people are told that not "affirming" them is abuse, they can also call in cps. And the more the parents try to fight it, the more everyone else cheers on their young person for being "independent" and encourages estrangement. Making it harder than ever to reach the young person (at which point several of these kids just wait until they are 18 and head over to planned parenthood or get it oniine, legally). If parents turn to family friends, these people as well can go, and do sometimes go, to their child as enablers and collude as well. These misinformed people think they are helping (!?!).
Maybe check out "the story of sage".
I shared this video with my mother. Thank you for what you are doing.
This happened in the 80s and 90s with kids being told they had the “disease of addiction” and all kids being admitted into treatment, with their parents being told their kids would die without treatment. Trying marijuana once was the same as binge drinking was the same as shooting heroin.
You guys are absolute ambassadors of truth, and proof of why it is so vital that it should always be put before feelings.x.
This is the devastating and amazing interview I have seen yet!
There is ZERO standardization for long term outcomes. This reminds me of nuremberg trials in Germany. As a nurse. Send someone to a surgeon he will do surgery.
Protect the children ,in this crazy mixed up world . this is a very authentic interview ! The advances we have made in therapy need to be taken into account . I still think "Do no harm ", needs to be taken into account . Thankyou for being a caring Case Manager .
Does medicaid not require a 30 day prior written consent for transition? I had to sign one of those for a medically necessary hysterectomy for cancer
33:23 « measure twice, cut once »
¿Too simple for a surgical professional to understand?
If we cannot question what is being done to our young youth (minors) about gender dysphoria then this is medical experimentation and needs to be deemed as such.
Every state sets a mimimum age of consent to medical treatment, at least for emergency medical care, and that age is usually at least 15, sometimes 18. If an ambulance is called to assist a minor without parents present to consent to treatment, and its not an immediate risk of death situation, the minor must be at least that minimum legal age to consent to medical procedures. Even for something as benign as a scraped knee, if the minor does not want to be transported to the hospital by ambulance, there is a lengthy legal form called a "Refusal Form" that the paramedic is required by law to explain to the minor. The Refusal Form must be explained in a way that the patient understands, and the paramedic must explain all possible risks of refusal, "Up to, and possibly including death." I am perplexed as to how these children are even legally able to consent to any of this, and how the doctors are performing major surgery without a written informed consent form from anyone.
Also, what is described in this video would be like if a paramedic automatically handed out Morphine, Fentanyl, Ativan without a true clinical patient assessment, without any therapeutic need established, and merely because the patient demanded it of the paramedic. That would be medical malpractice worthy of the loss of licensure, and possible legal consequences. Again, I am just perplexed at how any of this is legal, ethical, or in any way compliant with the medical professionals' bedrock ethos of "Do no harm."
Thank you. We feel similarly
So grateful for this. I see the dynamic everywhere. Hierarchy must move towards egalitarian true parcipitation. Good way to start my day ♥
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OMG!!
I'm having that moment:
After listening to people on the radio for a long time, suddenly seeing them.
They are never quite as imagined. But in this case I'm very happy that you both look really great although DIFFERENT.
(Got Trans by Joyce here from the library waiting for me after hearing your replay. And I will likely talk about it here since I have this booktube hobby now.)
Terrific interview. Terrific.
I do see that a big part of this issue is rooted in homophobia, but it isn’t just kids “like you” (lesbians) that would have been at the clinic. As a very small child (2-5yrs) I hated wearing tights and dresses and would take my swimsuit off and run naked at the beach. During puberty I was mortified at my body, especially my breasts, and felt completely overwhelmed when I started my period.
When I was in kindergarten, I told a little boy that I had a crush on that I used to be a boy with a penis (not sure where that came from) and got in big trouble! I have never been anything other than a heterosexual female, but if I’d been born 20 years later, I’m certain that parent-teacher chat would have gone in a completely different direction, and I would have very likely been referred to a clinic.
How do parents know who is legitimate? Educators and school districts must have this information! They are leading the lambs to the slater!
I see a great need for detranstion centers to support the wave of broken lives.
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Great interview. Would love to hear more from bernadette
How have the people involved in this system not been criminally charged?
Great interview. Should be required viewing for all parents of children under 18. Follow the dollar! This nonsense will continue until Gender Centers are sued constantly. I’m far from a litigious person, but it’s overdue/required to stop this train.