How Charlemagne's Empire Fell

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  • Опубліковано 21 кві 2021
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    Kings and Generals' historical animated documentary series on medieval history continues with a video on the collapse of Charlemagne's empire. We will focus on the new state created in the place of the Frankish empire after it fell, with explanations of how France, Italy, Germany, and other regions fared.
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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  3 роки тому +123

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    • @LM-pd6wj
      @LM-pd6wj 3 роки тому +4

      Make a video about the tocharians please!!!!

    • @RandomGuy-df1oy
      @RandomGuy-df1oy 3 роки тому +4

      I would except at least a brief mention of the Magyar Invasions which were much more dangerous and costly then the Viking raids.

    • @dipmalyaroy987
      @dipmalyaroy987 3 роки тому +1

      make a video on triparty struggle

    • @fatfrankthepeteacher4237
      @fatfrankthepeteacher4237 3 роки тому +1

      MAKE VIDEO ABOUT MUGHAL EMPIRE IT IS SO EPIC AND INTERESTING. You need
      more indian!!!!

    • @eduardoperez3855
      @eduardoperez3855 3 роки тому +1

      Europe is good and all that but where
      Is indian history?

  • @kirkvander897
    @kirkvander897 3 роки тому +2018

    Charlemagne clearly didn't rush Primogeniture inheritance laws in order to preserve his empire.

    • @johntitor1256
      @johntitor1256 3 роки тому +192

      He would have, but that scheming wretch Glitterhoof advised against it.

    • @gaiusjuliuspleaser
      @gaiusjuliuspleaser 3 роки тому +188

      Or embarked on campaign of targeted eugenics to breed super-nobles.

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea 3 роки тому +34

      The original Sarlic Law mandated that lands were to be divided equally as inheritance among a king's sons.

    • @princeps8980
      @princeps8980 3 роки тому +47

      Maybe he should have choose celibacy or let unecessary son die in battle.

    • @wiedzmin8204
      @wiedzmin8204 3 роки тому +149

      @@barbiquearea You dont know what they are talking about do you

  • @Selvionus
    @Selvionus 3 роки тому +1911

    "The Carolingians weren't as good at blinding family members as the Byzantines, and Bernarnd Died"
    Byzantines: "Hah, damn amateurs"

    • @Barwasser
      @Barwasser 3 роки тому +116

      how do you get good at blinding people?
      ...asking for a friend...

    • @Selvionus
      @Selvionus 3 роки тому +116

      @@Barwasser Well you see, through practice, meaning you just need a lot of family members to depose and blind them afterwards.

    • @Barwasser
      @Barwasser 3 роки тому +12

      @@Selvionus sounds about right xD

    • @MrAizatazmi
      @MrAizatazmi 3 роки тому +13

      Noobs

    • @Barwasser
      @Barwasser 3 роки тому +9

      @@MrAizatazmi don't wanna be a pro, tbh

  • @TeamTwiistz
    @TeamTwiistz 3 роки тому +2918

    Literally the most counter-productive governmental system I've ever heard of.

    • @mathgasm8484
      @mathgasm8484 3 роки тому +492

      Looks like my ck3 game when I have succession issues.

    • @pierren___
      @pierren___ 3 роки тому +113

      And the salic law ruled that question centuries before, giving the political supremacy To the first heir.

    • @ramiromen6595
      @ramiromen6595 3 роки тому +252

      On their defense logistics would have made most empires pretty difficult to defend if your ruler wasn't that capable (Louis the Pious is a good example); i mean even the Romans who were the gods of logistics had their empire split eventually. I won't deny the problems it creates though

    • @mosesracal6758
      @mosesracal6758 3 роки тому +233

      Just imagine if this continued for decades, the empire will fall into individual barns lmao

    • @TeamTwiistz
      @TeamTwiistz 3 роки тому +130

      Imagine if Rome, Persia, Egypt, Macedon... if literally any other empire did this. lol no wonder Rome wasn't recreated.

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 3 роки тому +1081

    Ottomans seeing the Carolingean Empire getting divided: "This is why we kill princes, when we have too many of them".

    • @stormbringer2840
      @stormbringer2840 3 роки тому +154

      Who would've thought it was actually the sensible thing to do ?

    • @ben5056
      @ben5056 3 роки тому +104

      and 2 is too many

    • @minatodroger7890
      @minatodroger7890 3 роки тому +83

      Man when the ottomans had it right in succession huh

    • @MariaCorrea-mr2gy
      @MariaCorrea-mr2gy 3 роки тому +99

      Kinda. The Ottomans didn't have salic law, but had a civil war instead.
      They realized that harem is good and all to ensure a new sultan, but too many possible sultans are an issue for stability.

    • @shehryarashraf5840
      @shehryarashraf5840 3 роки тому +66

      Also Ottoman Fratricide ended in the early 1600s, correlating with the decline in the Empire.

  • @masterplokoon8803
    @masterplokoon8803 3 роки тому +913

    Carolingians:" Can't properly blind a family member to advance their political agenda"
    Empress Irene:" Pathetic"

    • @ianhovenden5068
      @ianhovenden5068 3 роки тому +2

      Did she blind a lot of people I know the byzantines did that a lot but on that large of a scale ?

    • @TrololzillaOG
      @TrololzillaOG 3 роки тому +94

      @@ianhovenden5068 She blinded her own son so she could remain in power lol.

    • @masterplokoon8803
      @masterplokoon8803 3 роки тому +50

      @@ianhovenden5068 she was the regent of her son but when he came of age she didn't want to give up power so there was a power strugle and she blinded him to make him unfit to be Emperor. Blinding people to prevent them from gaining power happened sometimes in the middle ages.

    • @JohnCena-cy3re
      @JohnCena-cy3re 3 роки тому +5

      Didn't her attempt to blind her son result in him also dying by accident?

    • @masterplokoon8803
      @masterplokoon8803 3 роки тому +15

      @@JohnCena-cy3re he died in prison and there weren't really negative consequences for her from that while the Frankish Emperor had to do penance and his position was weakened.

  • @phillip7731
    @phillip7731 3 роки тому +1735

    When you haven't researched partition in CK3 yet so every son gets an empire.

    • @gluttonousmanu2725
      @gluttonousmanu2725 3 роки тому +12

      CK3?

    • @Daniel-tr6qo
      @Daniel-tr6qo 3 роки тому +173

      @@gluttonousmanu2725 crusader kings 3. Very fun grand strategy game. Although, in my opinion late game mechanics should be more fine tuned for replayability

    • @cjaquino28
      @cjaquino28 3 роки тому +83

      Which is why every player hates confederate partition.

    • @phillip7731
      @phillip7731 3 роки тому +42

      @@cjaquino28 The trick is to expand into other empires barely until you reach the county limit to create an empire and then just stop expanding in that direction so your empire doesn't fall apart lol

    • @njb1126
      @njb1126 3 роки тому +18

      Still stuck with gavelkind?

  • @YiannissB.
    @YiannissB. 3 роки тому +768

    “How charlemagne’s empire fell”
    Short answer: Charlemagne died...

    • @ylh2019
      @ylh2019 3 роки тому +77

      Slightly longer answer: Charlemagne died and Gavelkind succession law.

    • @yonathanrakau1783
      @yonathanrakau1783 3 роки тому +41

      @@ylh2019 shorter answer: no primagenature

    • @astraldeath_
      @astraldeath_ 3 роки тому +1

      That's literally the best answer one can give to this question

    • @DiscothecaImperialis
      @DiscothecaImperialis 3 роки тому

      @@yonathanrakau1783 Primogeniture was concieved AFTER the fall of Carolingians I think. By that time, Barbarian traditions did showly faded away and became Medieval ways I think.

    • @yonathanrakau1783
      @yonathanrakau1783 3 роки тому +1

      @@DiscothecaImperialis why did anyone even think of gavelkind in the 1st place

  • @istvansipos9940
    @istvansipos9940 3 роки тому +365

    - He is a great ruler. Something epic must end his reign. A heroic battle, an evil assassin or a...
    - A fever.
    - yeah... Or a fever.

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  3 роки тому +156

      Hunting incident?

    • @dr0g_Oakblood
      @dr0g_Oakblood 3 роки тому +83

      @@KingsandGenerals Please no, my Eu4-heart can't take it.

    • @dr0g_Oakblood
      @dr0g_Oakblood 3 роки тому +39

      Really gotta love modern medicine, we take it for granted, but so many humans never had it or still don't, and suffer/ed for it.

    • @odie-wankenodie8607
      @odie-wankenodie8607 3 роки тому +31

      @Kings and Generals Hunting accidents only seem to happen to good heirs. Enrique de Tratasmará does not seem to enjoy hunting.

    • @Drahko12
      @Drahko12 3 роки тому

      A poisonous fever, the convenient death 👀

  • @nqh4393
    @nqh4393 3 роки тому +298

    Gavelkind partition in a nutshell: so to stop my children from killing each other over inheritance, I’ll give each of them a piece of my realm so that they could wage war with each other instead.

    • @MyVanir
      @MyVanir 3 роки тому +9

      Better let them use the peasantry to wage war than fight directly.

    • @lesROKnoobz
      @lesROKnoobz 3 роки тому +14

      Isn't it weird how these powerful families don't seem to love each other or regard each other in the way people do in modern times.

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant 3 роки тому +22

      @@lesROKnoobz not really, they usually spent very little time together while growing up so there were not really the sort of bonds formed that you get now. 0pusnyou had to be ruthless to hold onto power.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 3 роки тому +52

      @@lesROKnoobz have you ever seen a modern family dealing with a fat inheritance? People will rip each other apart.

    • @nigelis2345
      @nigelis2345 3 роки тому +18

      @@shorewall I have seen cases in my country where family fight for property for many years.

  • @mosesracal6758
    @mosesracal6758 3 роки тому +199

    Charles the Fat, is just something I didnt expect to reconquer Carolingian Empire even for a brief time

    • @mustardstang573
      @mustardstang573 3 роки тому +42

      Well it was more of a “everybody’s dead” situation. He inherited it all then got deposed anyway

    • @fcalvaresi
      @fcalvaresi 3 роки тому +21

      He was so ineffective that he is not counted as a king in France. Before him there was Charles II the Bald and after him is Charles III the Simple.

    • @ShubhamMishrabro
      @ShubhamMishrabro 3 роки тому +9

      @@fcalvaresi why are names like this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Fat,bald and simple

    • @fcalvaresi
      @fcalvaresi 3 роки тому +9

      @@ShubhamMishrabro this is description of their character, made by other people to differentiate them. Not everyone can be the Great. It was before the tradition of numbers started.

    • @ShubhamMishrabro
      @ShubhamMishrabro 3 роки тому

      @@fcalvaresi ohh🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @sebastianbravo5028
    @sebastianbravo5028 3 роки тому +328

    Fun fact: The Oaths of Strasbourg (5:34) are a military and honor pact between Louis and Charles, in which they promise to support each other and defeat Lothar. The peculiarity of this is that an early form of romance (derived from vulgar Latin) that would evolve in the French language is attested.
    In the words of the scholar Philippe Walter: "This is the oldest extant French text. It is political in nature, not literary, and is important in that it marks the written debut of the 'vulgar' tongue."

    • @johanm_16
      @johanm_16 3 роки тому +56

      Indeed, and not only is it an early (the first you say?) example of French language but also an early version of the German one, here is a fragment:
      - Frank: Pro deo et pro christian poblo et nostro commun salvament, d'ist di in avant in quant Deus savir et podir me dunat, si salvarai eo cist meo frade
      - Germanic: In Godes minna ind in thes christianes folches ind unser bedhero gealtnissi, fon thesemo dage frammordes, do framso mir Got gewizoi indi mahd furgibit, so haldit thesan minann bruodher
      - My English translation: For the love towards God and for the Christian people and our shared salvation, from this day on, for the power and wisdom that God will give me, I will protect him my brother

    • @michelmorio8026
      @michelmorio8026 3 роки тому +29

      @@johanm_16 speaking German, French & English, I‘m able to recognize and understand the proto-German part still pretty good out of a few words, but the proto-French text seems more Latin then French to me 😅

    • @leowilly29
      @leowilly29 3 роки тому +2

      @@michelmorio8026 as a native french, i Can cleary see french Roots everywhere.

    • @silentgladiam2096
      @silentgladiam2096 3 роки тому +3

      @@michelmorio8026 Speaking french I managed to understand the proto-french sentence without the translation

    • @davidegaribaldi1503
      @davidegaribaldi1503 3 роки тому +3

      @@johanm_16 the proto french reads like weird italian

  • @johanm_16
    @johanm_16 3 роки тому +389

    Some details that we did not get to cover in the script that you might enjoy:
    2:04 : the division envisioned by Charlemagne was as followed:
    - his son Louis (the Pious) would get Aquitaine, Spain and Provence,
    - Pepin of Italy (father of the blinded Bernard, and not the disinherited Pepin) Italy, Bavaria and Swabia,
    - Charles, the eldest son of Charlemagne, got the Imperial title and the rest
    Both Charles and Pepin would die before Charlemagne, leaving Louis as the only legitimate heir (there were a few bastard sons, including his first, disinherited son Pepin, and Bernard son of the other Pepin).
    -- In the video, when we say "only heirs/sons", we are going to ignore a number of illegitimate sons and daughters for sake of brevity.
    3:56 : If you play CK, you might know of the Carolingian branch of Vermandois, this is where they originated from
    5:07 : Nicknamed Charles the Bald, he probably was not, in fact, bald, so don't complain that he has hair in his illustration :p
    5:32 : The Oaths of Strasbourg is important for linguists as the Oaths were pronounced both in proto-French and proto-German by the two brothers, so both their armies could understand.
    8:35 : Lothair II was desperate enough to have the marriage annulled that he gave the Jura (Western Switzerland) to his brother Louis II

    • @johanm_16
      @johanm_16 3 роки тому +25

      Well UA-cam algorithm is strange so I will ad the sources here:
      Hello! Johan here, researcher and writer for this video.
      I hope you enjoyed our look at the Heirs of Charlemagne, a topic often forgotten as it's overshadowed by Charlemagne on one side and the Capets and Ottonids on the other. The goal I hoped to accomplish in this video was to give you guys an overview of the Carolingian Kings, where they ruled and their interactions between them, so next time you hear about Carloman of Bavaria or Louis the Stammer you can pinpoint them in the family tree and on the map. I'll answer questions on the period if you have any!
      /Per questo video sono eccezionalmente disponibili i sottotitoli in Italiano/
      Sources for the Video:
      - Simon MacLean, Kingship and Politics in the Late Ninth Century: Charles the Fat and the End of the Carolingian Empire
      - Treccani
      - 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica
      - Antonio Brusa, L’alfabeto della storia 2
      - Open Yale CourseHIST 210: The Early Middle Ages, 284-1000; Lecture 21 - Crisis of the Carolingians

    • @Alex-ec4wu
      @Alex-ec4wu 3 роки тому +1

      brothers , we watch videos. we know charles the bald is not bald. he was just crownless.

    • @noobatthetower8747
      @noobatthetower8747 3 роки тому

      Cool

    • @ixosis71
      @ixosis71 3 роки тому +3

      From what I've read and studied, Bald was possibly a synonym of Bold, such as bald faced lie and bold faced lie are both acceptable idioms. Charles the Bald was probably Bold, not hairless of the head

    • @ciripa
      @ciripa 3 роки тому +1

      @@johanm_16 great job!! what 's your favorite parts/periods of history?

  • @Alias_Anybody
    @Alias_Anybody 3 роки тому +231

    That period is often glossed over in European history classes. The more I learn about 800-900 the more sense it makes that they don't want to open that can of worms, lol.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 3 роки тому +64

      They just want to call it the "Dark Ages" and leave out the whole "Carolingian Renaissance".

    • @user-nf9xc7ww7m
      @user-nf9xc7ww7m 2 роки тому +14

      Ironically, the can of Worms would be opened with religion and Martin Luther.
      Diet of Worms for the european historically challenged 😉

    • @adamwarlock1
      @adamwarlock1 2 роки тому +2

      @@user-nf9xc7ww7m I hate these fad diets.

    • @terr1592
      @terr1592 2 роки тому +4

      @@shorewall it toally is a dark age, but there is far more too it than that, and it had to happen to get thing moving again in Europe unfortunately, although the way it happened with tribal inheritance being what governed Europe for over 1000 years was definitely not good

    • @monetizacao2.047
      @monetizacao2.047 2 роки тому

      @@terr1592 I think we can divide the dark ages(medieval dark ages) in two great periods. One that goes from 476 to 800 and other that goes from 1315 to late 1300s(?)

  • @deluca1031
    @deluca1031 3 роки тому +457

    "The pretty decent king split the crown between his heirs"
    "Down drop his head and they started throwing chairs"
    "Succession crisis led to civil war"
    "And the pretty decent kingdom doomed to be no moreeeeeeeeee"

    • @napolien1310
      @napolien1310 3 роки тому +16

      Extra history!!
      Well played

    • @deluca1031
      @deluca1031 3 роки тому +3

      @@benisrood Yeah,not all kings/emperor/caliph are that good and there are also those bad empires and kingdom so that actually make sense.

    • @nicholasnelson8641
      @nicholasnelson8641 3 роки тому +2

      Extra history. Love the reference.

    • @Lightingwarrior
      @Lightingwarrior 3 роки тому +5

      The sad thing is if Charlemagne had simply just changed Frankish laws where the eldest son would be the sole inheritor, like later medieval kingdoms did instead of having it divided among all his heirs, his empire probably would have survived a lot longer and become an even greater regional power in Europe

    • @deluca1031
      @deluca1031 3 роки тому +3

      @@Lightingwarrior Yeah,he literally just dump the "Oldest,sole inheritor" and instead split the empire and just see how their sons work things out

  • @massimopisati7922
    @massimopisati7922 3 роки тому +54

    "Italy went into a period known as the anarchy" which continues to this day

  • @cpom5075
    @cpom5075 3 роки тому +454

    Gavelkind Succession
    Every Paradox players worst nightmare

    • @transsylvanian9100
      @transsylvanian9100 3 роки тому +18

      I quite enjoy it. Makes the game interesting. Primogeniture is too easy, almost no point playing anymore by the time you get it.

    • @Charlie0l9
      @Charlie0l9 3 роки тому +6

      This just means you got to conquer your neighbours and hand those newly conquered land out to your spares.

    • @levitschetter5288
      @levitschetter5288 2 роки тому

      I keep other sons happy by taking all my vassals lands when the revolt, Hispania has had a vassal board wipe once per Emperor

  • @alexandrebenoin40
    @alexandrebenoin40 3 роки тому +240

    For when a serie on charlemagne era or frankish kingdom

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 3 роки тому

      The only thing I heard of this Charlamagne Kingdom was the movie Rose and the Winter. That this first Kingdom after West side of Rome fell.

    • @G_Flash84625
      @G_Flash84625 3 роки тому +1

      Yes Please

  • @colink563
    @colink563 3 роки тому +25

    I always find it fascinating that a likely unintended affect of Charlemagne conquering the Saxons and destroying them is that he destroyed the one collection of tribes and people that had acted as a buffer state between his realm and this of the Germanic/Viking states, which thus brought on the Viking age, essentially creating all kinds of problems for his sons and heirs.

    • @Siegbert85
      @Siegbert85 3 роки тому +3

      Never heard that. I thought the Vikings started their raids in England first. That was outside of Charlemagne's area of influence.

  • @animeyahallo3887
    @animeyahallo3887 3 роки тому +68

    "What if" scenarios are always in my mind whenever I watch a major historical event like this one.

    • @mism847
      @mism847 3 роки тому +1

      And then I go play CK3 to realize that scenario, and repeat

    • @18Krieger
      @18Krieger 3 роки тому +1

      This part of history has good points for what if scenarios. It could have gone so many ways if just one thing would have happened differently.

  • @ChiefKene
    @ChiefKene Рік тому +5

    It’s always so interesting to see how one man build a empire and then his sons and grandson mess it up and fight with each other like they have no common blood

    • @nucleardog6675
      @nucleardog6675 Рік тому

      I am just surprised one family had this much control over the people back then. Seemed like if ur a true decedent of Charlemagne you just ride in and get the kingdom.

  • @TheTfrules
    @TheTfrules 3 роки тому +36

    Lothair really drew the short straw getting that middle kingdom. Totally undefendable

    • @dominicguye8058
      @dominicguye8058 3 роки тому +1

      Wars have consequences

    • @EmptyMan000
      @EmptyMan000 2 роки тому +7

      Drew? Not even. He was deliberately given the worst piece of a three piece pie as punishment by his brothers for trying to take over. Choices and Consequences.

  • @marcoslaureano5562
    @marcoslaureano5562 2 роки тому +5

    Hearing the narrator say "Your balls and your body will thank you", just made my entire afternoon.

  • @paulbarrette4271
    @paulbarrette4271 3 роки тому +76

    A series on the early barbarian kingdoms would be cool. Like going over what daily life looked like in the former Roman provinces under Germanic rule.

    • @dominicguye8058
      @dominicguye8058 3 роки тому +6

      Not much changed, actually

    • @jouskehigaskita8835
      @jouskehigaskita8835 3 роки тому +3

      @@dominicguye8058 really ? Explain bro

    • @michaelhenry3234
      @michaelhenry3234 Рік тому +4

      @@jouskehigaskita8835 Rome evolved over time. By the time the empire fell, many of the barbarians had been Romanized, centralized power had already been in decline for decades, manorialism and serfdom had existed in some form for like a hundred years, etc. When the "barbarians" took control, they mostly just continued the system as it had been running before. Rome's fall was really an extremely slow and gradual decline, not a single event caused by barbarian conquest. The chosen date of 476 is really quite arbitrary. Odoacer, who overthrew the emperor in 476, was an officer in the Roman army and gained the support of the Senate throughout his reign.

    • @JcoleMc
      @JcoleMc 8 місяців тому

      ​​@@michaelhenry3234 That didnt happen the real romans hated the barbarians of northern Europe so much they'd rather go the grave then allow them to rule , the Barbarains being uncivilized and illeterate neglected roman archetecture they regularly raided roman libraries and burnt those texts , realizing their mistake all to late as the newly reformed empires of asia surround europe , europe would never again be relevant till the 18 century .

    • @michaelhenry3234
      @michaelhenry3234 8 місяців тому +3

      @@JcoleMc Nothing I said was false. Rome's decline and fall was gradual. By the time Rome officially fell many "barbarians" had been integrated into the empire (And citizenship had been expanded to include them almost 300 years earlier). Rome had ceased being the actual capital (Ravenna had taken its place in the West, Constantinople in the East), manorialism had already begun to develop, and central authority had been eroded. As I said, it was hardly barbarian hordes upending society... Odoacer, _the_ barbarian who ended the empire in 476, was an officer in the Roman army, had support from the Senate, and was officially recognized as a governor under the Eastern Roman Empire's authority (although Odoacer was de facto king). The fall of Rome was complicated.
      Europe wasn't relevant till the 18th century? Really? So the Portuguese Empire wasn't relevant? The Spanish conquest of America? The Byzantine Empire?

  • @michaelthomas5433
    @michaelthomas5433 3 роки тому +35

    Louis the Stammerer. Charles the Fat. Charles the Simple.
    Noble names indeed.

  • @dimitribagatelas1714
    @dimitribagatelas1714 3 роки тому +108

    "your balls and your body, will thank you" dude you killed it lmaooo

  • @gorgon6680
    @gorgon6680 3 роки тому +295

    "Manscaped probably can't save an empire, but it can save your love life"
    Jokes on you 90% of K&G viewers don't have a love life in the first place.

    • @PedroGomes-cx7ku
      @PedroGomes-cx7ku 3 роки тому +91

      I'll have you know that I have a harem of sisters in Crusader Kings 3.

    • @Dmartinez117
      @Dmartinez117 3 роки тому +49

      My Love Is TO THE GLORY OF ROME

    • @Dmartinez117
      @Dmartinez117 3 роки тому +17

      AVE CAESAR PROFLIGATE

    • @rocekth
      @rocekth 3 роки тому +21

      My CK2 game with far too many lovers and wife proves you wrong. Not to mention the 30 kids

    • @Drahko12
      @Drahko12 3 роки тому +1

      One day ☝️ maybe ☹️

  • @rkaneproductions9827
    @rkaneproductions9827 3 роки тому +22

    I’m so impressed on how kings and general’s videos have gotten better and better throughout the years. My favorite channel for history content by far.

  • @IceNiner199
    @IceNiner199 3 роки тому +53

    Finding out that there was a monarch named King Bozo really made my day! :-D Clowns of the world, hold up your heads in pride!

    • @johanm_16
      @johanm_16 3 роки тому +10

      It is the anglification of his name, he is also known as Boso in English, and Boson or Bosone in other languages

  • @Alatriste90
    @Alatriste90 3 роки тому +47

    Awesome as always. Would be nice to see more Carolingian and Iron Century documentaries. Like the Magyar migrations or the Saxons wars.

  • @Atomik91400
    @Atomik91400 3 роки тому +19

    Charles in 845: "Can this situation get any worse?!"
    *Enter Ragnar*

    • @AlexC-ou4ju
      @AlexC-ou4ju 3 роки тому +3

      thankfully the Franks Got a lot better under Count Odo in 885

  • @Kazii_CSclips
    @Kazii_CSclips 3 роки тому +10

    I completely overlooked Charlemange in history class when I was in middle school but I love how I got to know more about History and actually dive deep from the Bronze Age era to the Rise of the Roman Republic then the Roman Empire and WW1 and WW2 now that I'm at college.

  • @Blalack77
    @Blalack77 3 роки тому +26

    This is one of the most fascinating points in history to me. Anywhere in history where it's a transitional period after the fall of a kingdom, empire or dynasty, the power vacuum it creates, the chaos in-between, what happens next and the formation of new kingdoms. I'd like to see a video on the Franks/Germanic peoples between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the rise of Charlemagne - basically, how they went from wild, raiding, pillaging "barbarians" to emperors. I guess like the mid-400's to the 600-700's roughly. Because what I said there probably is the single most interesting thing in history to me - how these "barbarians" terrorized the Roman Empire for most of its history, finally conquered it, took over and then became the kings and emperors of Europe - while respecting and preserving a lot of the ideas and customs of the Romans. It's just wild how much they fought and how much they _appeared_ to hate one another (Romans and Germanic people/Franks that is) but then later, these same barbarians want to be known as "Roman emperors" and revive Roman customs, ideas, traditions, etc... Fascinating...

    • @StatusDynasty
      @StatusDynasty Рік тому +3

      One theory is of course that calling the Franks wild savage barbarians was pure nonsense propaganda.

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision 8 місяців тому +1

      I totally agree with everything you said! Those types of transitional periods are fascinating, and this one in particular is especially important in how it set the foundations for what Europe would eventually become and it’s influence reverberates through history. I’m also especially interested especially in how these loose confederations of tribes and their chiefs transformed into feudal kingdoms and formal states, and how they established their power and legitimacy. I also appreciate your mention of the cultural details, in how these separate and rival people came to aspire to and embody similar ideals.

    • @Blalack77
      @Blalack77 8 місяців тому +2

      @@StatusDynasty Well, I mean, that's why I put "barbarians" in quotes. From what I've been able to discern just casually learning about it is that the Germanic people/Franks were pretty Romanized by the fall of the Western empire. I'm not a scholar or anything so maybe I've got it all mixed up but that's what I'm saying - this is an interesting era and I'd like to learn more about the very specific, precise timeframe of what the Germanic people were doing and what their culture looked like from maybe a few centuries before the fall up until Charlemagne.

    • @Blalack77
      @Blalack77 8 місяців тому +1

      @@MerkhVision Yeah I have really strong, grandiose ideas sometimes but I usually have trouble putting them to coherent words lol.. I would still be interested in finding a documentary or series or book or something on this very specific topic/timeframe. I guess as concise as possible: "How the Germanic peoples evolved from 'barbarians' to kings/emperors" and/or "The evolution of Germanic culture from [anywhere between like 100 BC to 100 AD] all the way up to (and/or beyond) the time of Charlemagne". There are some other Germanic groups I'd be interested in learning more about too - like specifically the Vandals and how they ended up in North Africa - and speaking of that, perhaps how the Carthaginians came about, the different Goth groups, the various steppe people Huns, Mongols, Scythians, etc. I don't know how it is for other people but a lot of these are kind of mysterious to me.

  • @AtticusAmericanus
    @AtticusAmericanus 3 роки тому +156

    "You want me to trim my what now?"~Every male in the Dark Age.

    • @y.r._
      @y.r._ 3 роки тому +5

      I don't get it

    • @longyu9336
      @longyu9336 3 роки тому +1

      @@y.r._ Whilst in Classical Antiquity, people like Caesar plucked their bodily hair, Dark Age people thought that beards and body hair was given to them by God, hence trimming body hair was considered almost a sacrilege.

    • @y.r._
      @y.r._ 3 роки тому

      @@longyu9336 I wonder how I wasn't able to understand it the first time I read it

    • @joellaz9836
      @joellaz9836 2 роки тому +3

      @@longyu9336
      Actually it was mostly because Germanic people loved beards and long hair

  • @thekingsamar5781
    @thekingsamar5781 3 роки тому +6

    I was just studying this topic,and you guys are helping me greatly.Keep it up.

  • @KoovoParkolainen
    @KoovoParkolainen 3 роки тому +19

    The animations here are simply amazing.

  • @D10medes
    @D10medes 3 роки тому +6

    Damn, this has got to be the clearest, best account of the late Carolingian empire on UA-cam. The amount of visual detail with clear, concise information is so impressive. You guys rock.

  • @luqmanhakim2391
    @luqmanhakim2391 3 роки тому +50

    I like how Germany and France are literally related to each other through the same ancestor, the Kingdom of Francia/Frankia, which was one of the Germanic states of that time.

    • @DidierDidier-kc4nm
      @DidierDidier-kc4nm 2 роки тому +4

      From 450 AD to 1000 i would say you re right ,France and Germany (holy roman empire) were quite closed in the relationship sometimes tensed but from 1066 To 1453 most of relationship evolved to France with England (often for the worse;) and Gemany (holy roman empire) with Italia (often for the worse as well:)

    • @NoName-yw1pt
      @NoName-yw1pt 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah, France is very culturally diversed

    • @N0Time
      @N0Time Рік тому +6

      Germanic does not necessarily mean German. The scandinavians are germanic but not germans. Nations and nationalities are political constructs that are not necessarily reduced to culture or language.
      France is a mosaic of peoples such as the Celts (Gauls, Bretons), the Germanic (Franks, Burgundians), the Latins (Romans, later Corsicans), the Basques etc. Saint-Clotilde, for example, the wife of Clovis, was a Burgundian, one of the Germanic peoples that make up France, as were the Salian Franks.
      Alfred the Great (founder of the House of Wessex in England) was Germanic, like Clovis, as he was Saxon. To say that the Salian Franks are not French is like saying that the Saxons who moved to England are not English. Riurik, the founding father of Russia, was of Germanic too (Scandinavian) aswell as Pelagius, the founding father of Spain (Wisigoth).
      However, it would not occur to a Swede or a German to want to appropriate them like it would not occur to a Frenchman to say that Richard Lionheart was French, even if he lived in France most of his life, is burried there and did not speak English.
      Charlemagne laid the territorial foundations of Germany by subduing and uniting the Germanic tribes through conquest (he's nicknamed the «Saxons Slayer»), just as Julius Caesar did in Gaul. Before Caesar, the Gallic tribes, although belonging to the same cultural group, did not have a unitary conception of their people or their territory.
      Therefore, to say that Charlemagne belongs to German history is like saying that Julius Caesar belongs to French history. Charlemagne belongs to French history in the same way that Leonardo da Vinci and Dante Alighieri or Ariminius and Martin Luther belong to Italian and German history, although these nations were not formed until several centuries later.
      Despite the anachronism, it could be said that Italy (Romans) laid the territorial foundations for what France would become, even though historically, the baptism of Clovis is the founding act, and that France (Carolingians) did the same for Germany, even though historically the proclamation of the Holy Roman Empire by Otto I is the founding act.
      The history of France begins in 496 with the baptism of Clovis, according to historians (I don't know any who argue the contrary but if you know of any please name them), according to the Church (France is called the "Eldest Daughter of the Church" to this day) and even according to a young illiterate peasant girl who didn't have access to history books (which is one of the many miracles of her journey) named Joan of Arc.
      The kings of France have been crowned in Reims since clovis. Charles VII cross the enemy lines to be crowned in Reims to obtain this legitimacy. They hold the title of kings of the Franks until the 12th century and all came from the Frankish nobility from 496 until 1830. The French had even been called Franks by their enemies until the 14th century and during the crusades.

    • @smal750
      @smal750 14 днів тому

      no.

    • @smal750
      @smal750 14 днів тому

      ​@@DidierDidier-kc4nm
      england wasnt relevant to france until the 17th century

  • @tylers.2596
    @tylers.2596 3 роки тому +2

    Kings and Generals you guys are so productive. Churning out all this new content. Much Appreciated.

  • @JanneRanta
    @JanneRanta 3 роки тому +7

    This art style is epic. I hope you guys keep doing more videos with it.

  • @Gui101do
    @Gui101do 3 роки тому +10

    This is a confusing web of territories and family members, but the way it was presented helped immensely. Well done!

  • @cristianocosta4662
    @cristianocosta4662 3 роки тому +5

    This is one of the most important and at the same time unknown period of European History

  • @tannerlembke8659
    @tannerlembke8659 3 роки тому +1

    Love your work Kingsand Generals. I'm always excited to see what new material you have for me to learn.

  • @496676
    @496676 3 роки тому +2

    Your animations are getting better and better. Very good artwork there! Congratulations.

  • @lomax343
    @lomax343 3 роки тому +29

    When I was at university, what seems like a thousand years ago, I took a course in Mediaeval French. We were introduced to the oldest extant piece of written French - an agreement between Louis the German and Charles the Bald to gang up on their brother Lothair. I presume this was the Oath of Strasbourg mentioned at 5:34.

    • @AlexC-ou4ju
      @AlexC-ou4ju 3 роки тому +5

      it was yes early french used there.

    • @Siegbert85
      @Siegbert85 3 роки тому +9

      It was actually written in both: Old French and Old High German so both respective realms could understand it.

    • @marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514
      @marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514 Рік тому +4

      I took a course on the history of the french language, which mostly covered the origins of the language and medieval french. C’était fascinant.

    • @lomax343
      @lomax343 Рік тому +4

      @@marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514 So you know the difference between the Langue d'oc and the Langue d'oil? After mumble years, I've yet to find that piece of information useful.

    • @marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514
      @marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514 Рік тому +3

      @@lomax343 It’s pretty easy to remember: oc and oil both mean yes, oc is the southern languages and dialects of france and neighbouring regions, oil is the northern languages and dialects of france and neighbouring regions, and french is oil because the word for yes is oui which comes from oil. I admit that this knowledge has never been useful to me, not even once. But I have no complaints, as I enjoy learning about history very much and it was a really fun course.

  • @MrCount84
    @MrCount84 3 роки тому +8

    This video makes understanding this period so much easier.

  • @inmhop3729
    @inmhop3729 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for the visuals on this. It was most helpful.

  • @amienabled6665
    @amienabled6665 3 роки тому +61

    Lets pour one out for our boi Charlemagne.

    • @bobryant9923
      @bobryant9923 3 роки тому +3

      I'll cheers with you for my 32nd to 38th (multitude of lines) great grandfather.

    • @ThePhoenix109
      @ThePhoenix109 2 роки тому +2

      @@bobryant9923 doubt it

    • @mism847
      @mism847 2 роки тому +1

      @@ThePhoenix109 Doubt what?

    • @ThePhoenix109
      @ThePhoenix109 2 роки тому

      @@mism847 that you are distantly related to him.

  • @frankwu4747
    @frankwu4747 2 роки тому +6

    All of those sudden deaths are highly suspicious…

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 3 роки тому +22

    Andorra: the Last of Charlemagne’s realm.

  • @syedazam2568
    @syedazam2568 3 роки тому

    Great Video. Love the topics you have been exploring.

  • @Mezzogiorno84
    @Mezzogiorno84 3 роки тому +3

    Another Masterpiece, nice to watch, easy to understand. Chapeau.
    I would also expand the average duration to 25 minutes, as your audience is eager to learn, time isn't an issue.

  • @inakik97
    @inakik97 3 роки тому +4

    The artwork is amazing

  • @shidqifarrasi9783
    @shidqifarrasi9783 3 роки тому +6

    I came 10 seconds after this video is posted and it didn't disappoint me at all, keep the good work.

  • @doloressaucedo9992
    @doloressaucedo9992 2 роки тому

    immensely...interesting. ....immensely real! I can watch this over and over. love your historical/ educational videos!

  • @gwennblei
    @gwennblei 3 роки тому

    Beautifully made, well researched video once more, a pleasure to watch and learn more :)

  • @Darkdaej
    @Darkdaej 3 роки тому +3

    This channel has been my go-to source for my bedtime videos. I'll lie in bed with my headphones and listen to one of these videos while slowly drifting off to sleep.
    Not that you guys are boring at all - it's just that they're just long enough to carry me until I sleep and I can picture what's going on in my head with the descriptions, music and sound effects.
    I skip ahead past the ad though :P

  • @princepscivitatis4083
    @princepscivitatis4083 3 роки тому +31

    Charlemagne's Empire could've flourished even more if he had only united the HRE and the ERE by marrying Irene of Athens and fathering a legitimate successor.

    • @thatwasprettydecent7497
      @thatwasprettydecent7497 3 роки тому +3

      Irene was past child bearing age though

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea 3 роки тому +8

      But wasn't Irene merely a regent to her son Constantine VI? I don't see how her union with Charlemagne would have solidified Carolingian influence over the Byzantines unless Constantine VI also married one of Charlemagne's daughter.

    • @LuisBrito-ly1ko
      @LuisBrito-ly1ko 3 роки тому +9

      @@barbiquearea
      Irene deposed her son and became Empress. That’s the reason why Charlemagne became “Roman Emperor” in the first place.
      The pope in Rome already disliked the Byzantines and used the excuse that a woman cannot be Empress to hand the title to the Franks.

    • @edk487
      @edk487 3 роки тому

      That would not have work the Eastern romans hated barbarians with passion look at how they treated Zeno.

    • @user-ln8eh5nq3q
      @user-ln8eh5nq3q 3 роки тому

      @RandomWarThunder indeed

  • @JonEsnob
    @JonEsnob 3 роки тому

    Amazing, as always. Thank you!

  • @andreasleonardo6793
    @andreasleonardo6793 3 роки тому

    Too nice video with clear explaining of events which occurred at that time 👍👍👍👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @youvebeengreeked
    @youvebeengreeked Рік тому +3

    *Kind of surprising that Kings And Generals have never done a full series on the campaigns of Charlemagne; he's such a pivotal figure in world history.*

  • @kristianmarcussen3045
    @kristianmarcussen3045 3 роки тому +3

    That 3D segment at 08:37 was GORGEOUS !

  • @user-gy6zl9cg2d
    @user-gy6zl9cg2d 3 роки тому

    one of the best video i have ever seen!great job once again Kings and Generals!greetings from Greece!

  • @ibrahimyasin1090
    @ibrahimyasin1090 3 роки тому +1

    love these documentary style videos

  • @ordotectonicus8585
    @ordotectonicus8585 3 роки тому +19

    You do a great job of condensing centuries of history into only 20 minutes

    • @johanm_16
      @johanm_16 3 роки тому +5

      Thank you, it is difficult sometimes to cut stuff and details for the script but sometimes it is important to have a bird-eyed view on the events.

    • @ordotectonicus8585
      @ordotectonicus8585 3 роки тому +2

      @@johanm_16 are you one of the script writers? Anyway. Keep up the great work. I learn more from your engaging videos than i do at school

    • @noobatthetower8747
      @noobatthetower8747 3 роки тому

      @@johanm_16 this was awsome

    • @noobatthetower8747
      @noobatthetower8747 3 роки тому

      @@johanm_16 this was awsome

    • @johanm_16
      @johanm_16 3 роки тому +4

      @@ordotectonicus8585 Indeed I am the writer and researcher for this video

  • @Toumahitoedits
    @Toumahitoedits 3 роки тому +6

    Louis I "the Pious"(only surviving son of Charlemagne) kicks the bucket*
    Charles the Bald of France, Lothair I of Italy, and Louis I the German completely divided the Frankish Empire*
    Frankish Empire:
    Guess I'll die :(

  • @logankrause8179
    @logankrause8179 3 роки тому

    Finally! Love ur stuff !

  • @miloskrstic7491
    @miloskrstic7491 3 роки тому +2

    Animation and art in this video are really inspiring.

  • @otto6702
    @otto6702 3 роки тому +9

    We need a video about Otto the Great. His influence on European history cannot be understated.

  • @selecttravelvacations7472
    @selecttravelvacations7472 2 роки тому +3

    I want to see a dedicated historical fiction production in the style of HBOs “Rome” with these historical story threads. Such a fascinating time in history.

  • @masonkim7
    @masonkim7 3 роки тому +1

    the production value of this video is off the charts!

  • @bigfenix8272
    @bigfenix8272 3 роки тому +1

    In under 24 hours, thank you SO MUCH again!!

  • @dannybazooka1
    @dannybazooka1 3 роки тому +4

    Carolingians: blinded family member dies
    Byzantines: Mediocre

  • @tongobong1
    @tongobong1 3 роки тому +10

    Charlemagne's Empire fell because there was no Manscaped at that time right? LOL!

  • @ZoobieDoodie
    @ZoobieDoodie 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the great content K&G!

  • @ligidaykurin9106
    @ligidaykurin9106 3 роки тому

    Love your videos
    Very informative
    Thank you

  • @giorgiociaravolol1998
    @giorgiociaravolol1998 3 роки тому +5

    "In Italy there was anarchy"
    Wow, why am I not surprised

  • @Hashishin13
    @Hashishin13 3 роки тому +8

    "...marked the end of an era, as no longer would the kingdom be unified."
    Bozo:
    "Am I a clown to you?"

  • @jimbojangles9056
    @jimbojangles9056 3 роки тому +1

    Would be cool if you did some episodes abour charlemanges battles and events of his life. So hard to find any good info about it.
    Great episode tho love the choice. Been waiting for a charlemage and europe story for awhile.
    Keep uo the great work

  • @quadcannon
    @quadcannon 3 роки тому

    Excellent video and a digestible version of what happened to the Kingdom of Charlemagne.

  • @sirwelch9991
    @sirwelch9991 3 роки тому +5

    It has been so many years since we saw something about the Father of Europe himself. Thank you!

  • @omarb7164
    @omarb7164 3 роки тому +45

    I’ll take a one minute ad on balls manscaping over Raid shadow legends or squarespace anyday. Respect

    • @ruairimonophthalmos5458
      @ruairimonophthalmos5458 3 роки тому +3

      Couldn't agree more.

    • @shorewall
      @shorewall 3 роки тому +4

      I couldn't agree less. Manscaped ads are pure liquid cringe.

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 3 роки тому

      @@shorewall Anything,..absolutely anything... even that ad... is better than Raid Shadow Legends.

  • @Delta-V1
    @Delta-V1 3 роки тому

    This is marvelous sir, thank you for the great material.. Wish I had this when I was a child... 😊

  • @nagromtw5673
    @nagromtw5673 3 роки тому

    Awesome video!

  • @byzantinetales
    @byzantinetales 3 роки тому +22

    It's hard to achieve primogeniture within a lifetime :D

  • @Mwakinificent
    @Mwakinificent 3 роки тому +6

    I'd like a video on the predecessors of the Karolingians, the Merovingians! I feel like it's relatively hard to find info about them.

  • @Manuel-gu9ls
    @Manuel-gu9ls 3 роки тому +1

    One of my most favorite Kings in history, there are other channels about him like @fire of Learning & @armchair historian both and this are great depiction and stories about Charlemagne and his Empire that gave the potential identities of each kingdom that made it up.....

  • @VladderGraf
    @VladderGraf 2 роки тому

    This was an awesome episode.

  • @SilverEye168
    @SilverEye168 3 роки тому +3

    Lovely rendering, this channel does in a great job in the way it uses art to explain historical developments. Regarding this time period, Charlemagne's balls were too heavy for his line to carry.

  • @sanchodesangleyaragon3492
    @sanchodesangleyaragon3492 3 роки тому +7

    I hope you create a documentary about norman conflicts within france. Specially the ones against the french kings. That would be great.

  • @niccolocaramori7288
    @niccolocaramori7288 3 роки тому +2

    Ehi Kings and Generals are you gonna make a video about the birth of the Italian communes and the wars against Federico Barbarossa? Anyway excellent video and very good content keep up the good work

  • @damarquisjennings2755
    @damarquisjennings2755 3 роки тому +1

    Nice video!

  • @CliffCardi
    @CliffCardi 3 роки тому +4

    Charles, Lothar, and Louis: "Daddy, which one of us do you love the most?"
    *Louis the Pious nervously sweats*

  • @justcallmeSheriff
    @justcallmeSheriff 3 роки тому +5

    My favorite thing about this video is how it demystifies the concept of kingship in Europe.
    Rather than being Enlightened individuals trusted with temporal government by God, we see that kings are just lucky men born into the families of generals. They bicker and fight over power within their families, cut deals with nobles to share power in exchange for the title of "king", and die of simple disease like anyone else.
    Stories like this help you understand why the Romans did away with their kings... and also how the concept crept back in under the guise of the Caesar.

  • @johanvillemoes3374
    @johanvillemoes3374 3 роки тому

    Cool video! Thanks

  • @CharlieThunder24
    @CharlieThunder24 3 роки тому

    these videos are awesome!

  • @Aprokind
    @Aprokind 3 роки тому +15

    Started getting interested in the Frankish Empire and then this dropped, top.

  • @DamonNomad82
    @DamonNomad82 3 роки тому +3

    I've been working on discovering my ancestry, and found that I am descended from Charlemagne from several different lines (as I'm sure many thousands of others are). That adds a whole new dimension to the fascination I already had for this history.

  • @tarekmohamedkamelghanem4926
    @tarekmohamedkamelghanem4926 3 роки тому

    I am just in love with the map design and I keep imagining how good it look in an actual game

  • @pablocejas01
    @pablocejas01 2 роки тому

    Honestly amazing videos