Mike Trout’s run from 2012 - 2019 is literally one the greatest runs we’ve seen from a ball player ever. Don’t let recency bias fool you, Mike Trout is an all time great.
@@noahbrown6961 no doubt. That’s why I said statistically because these years will cost him in the end. He’ll be an all time great no matter what when he hangs it up but had he stayed healthy, his name could have been alone on plenty of lists
We've seen other pitchers have 90 inning stretches of dominance like he had that season. The difference is those pitchers did so as just a part of a full season, so their total numbers don't look as good. Pedro Martinez in 2000 started the year with a 0.99 ERA through his first 91 innings. deGrom had a 1.08 ERA in 92 innings in 2021. The difference is Pedro pitched 217 total innings and his ERA stabilized to 1.70. Other pitchers have also had stretches of 80-100 innings that were better than deGrom's 2021, they just actually finished their seasons and had the expected regression to merely incredible seasons instead of impossible. To suggest that deGrom could have maintained that ERA for another 100+ innings that year is wishful thinking.
Feels like forever ago, but ya. 2021 deGrom was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen. That season though, was really special until it ended with the injury.
Peak deGrom was an event when he was making a start. You just had to watch. Another option is for him to transition to the bullpen, throwing 100+ isnt as taxing when you are only throwing 30 pitches at a time
I was there at the complete game shutout vs Washington. You just knew it was his day from the first pitch. We may not see a performance as dominant as that for a long time
I've been saying that DeGroms prime was way too short to consider him the best pitcher of his time, let alone an all-timer. DeGrom at his peak was amazing don't get me wrong. But look at Verlander, Scherzer, and Kershaw. You can't honestly tell me that he was that much better than any of them, AND he had a shorter peak.
@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY For like 1 or 2 years. And when you compare his best years to the best years of those other pitchers, I just don't see it man. I've tried to, but I just haven't seen how people are so sure that he was WAY better
@@TheLastPrime38 1) he was better per prime vs prime … BUT and 2) I actually agree with you, I was commenting to the guy who commented on ur post, I should have hit reply to him directly
I do admire trout loyalty to stay with the angels(not sure why lol) but man I would rlly like to see him in the playoffs. You always want to see great players and how to perform in big games.
He's only had like 4 seasons with 30+ starts. I'd put him in the same boat as someone like Lincecum, borderline HoFer with an amazing peak but just wasn't on the field often enough. Maybe Degrom will put up another couple all-star level seasons in his late 30's. Then i would say he deserves to get in but i just don't see that happening.
While I certainly advocate for players like the de Grom who had tremendous prime stats, longevity seems to become a dirty word in modern MLB Hall of Fame analysis. A great example of a player like Eddie Murray who is continually undervalued because of the length of his career, and consistency of play, as he may have been the most consistently high performer of all time, yet is far down on the list of all time greats. The talent, athleticism and mental maturity it takes to consistently put up All-Star level performances year after year is beyond rare and speaks to levels of professionalism a maturity that few professional athletes ever attain.
IMO, today's starting pitchers pitch less innings then past pitchers because of the rise of analytics that has given the SP's more confidence that they can throw more pitches with them throwing with their top velocity. Problem is, that's relievers do, but they pitch on a much different schedule that's much more flexible and often. i think they starting pitches are pitching too hard in too many pitches and are blowing out their arm. Throwing gas then waiting another 4 other starts before you're up again can't be great for someone's arm. I also think today's pitching coaches coach velocity, velocity, and more velocity when the greg maddux type of way of "hitting their spots" has been underutilized. You don't need to throw triple digits when you can have great arm movement and hitting the spots you want. Then a 90 mph fastball and 78 mph changeup can be unhittable when thrown the right way and that will create a dependable pitcher that won't be blowing out their arms like these youngins currently. EDIT: 24:57 lol i'm writing this and video just brought up same point!
I feel like i just saw another video REALLY similar to this, By Stark Raving Sports. Did you take inspiration from this, because i noticed you and him said a lot of the same things, and even used some of the same clips.
As a die hard Mets fan, big time baseball guy as well, Jacob Degrom is not only my favorite Met of all time, but easily my favorite athlete of all time. From the pure dominance on the mound to how humble he is in both victory and defeat, hes truly one of a kind. It's sad he hasn't been able to stay healthy in recent years, but he easily had one of the most dominant stretches in MLB history. As he gets older there is no lie, the clock is ticking. However, it's clear this guy is insanely intelligent when it comes to knowing how to get better and he works his ass off. I hope he finds his way back to NY, man that would be awesome. Great Video !!!!
He shouldve had so many more wins with the Mets if he had the run support, typical of the Mets. Same thing happened when Glavine was here and Steve Traschel
With the way starting pitchers are handled in today's game, and the trend that is continuing with this, players like de Grom will certainly get into the Hall of Fame bc we will no longer see the sustained long-term success that we have expected in the past
Are there any clothing sponsors that are for people above 5'10" like me? I'm only 2.5 inches above 5'10", so am I stuck with the Big and Tall section?😃
@@graysonedwards3035 Well, if he makes 40 starts during the remainder of his ridiculous contract, it’ll be a miracle. I wish him no ill will, but he’s always hurt.
Always aloof towards the fans who adored him in NY. I didn’t miss him when he left because he was barely on the mound the last 3 seasons. Jake is for Jake period. His talented right arm resides in Texas now, where the Rangers will get some excellent starts, and all the other availability stuff that comes with Jake.
I was upset when he left but then I got over it because as met fans, I don’t think we ever gave him crap for poor performances and we begged and pleaded w our stingy ownership (at that time), to extend him and him and the Pimp Of Baseball, Scott Boras, wanted more money
@ His poor performances were few and far between. But it’s better to have some good pitchers who are available and make their starts, rather than great pitchers who are always injured.
degrom is a hall of famer, he is showing no signs of slowing down, i call an age 40 season still being real dominant he is one of those guys who just grow with age, instead of declining with age
deGrom should not be in the hall of fame, just hasnt pitched enough to warrant that. Sure his peak was incredibly high, but are we going to put every player who had two or three dominant seasons in the hall?
Y'all keep saying he's not going to be good again. Acting like he didn't come back this year and make a full recovery from TJ. The problem was the Mets put the surgery off and off. Now that he had it done he's good to go. Like bro he literally came back looking just as good as he was if not better. But y'all are mets fans so you don't want to look at that fact.
Dude was unhittable for a year then got paid to do nothing. Ya he isnt a hall of famer dor having two good years. Heck lincecum had a better few years than degrom if you wanna compare and he isnt making it
@chrisdeluca6577 I feel you. But I wouldn't in good conscious vote him in. No postseason success either. Ultimately, he was just dominant for a few of his prime years when the ball was wonky and then soon became a highly paid paperweight.
To be fair, he's really been a 5-6 inning pitcher most of his career. Only 4 of his 11 years has been over 150 innings. I wish someone told him when he was coming up that he didn't have to blow out his arm pitching like he does. I wish more young pitchers coming up were told that.
Him and Trout could have been two of the best ever statistically if they could have only stayed healthy
Trout can still do something, but for DeGrom that started late, its pretty much too late for him
Mike Trout’s run from 2012 - 2019 is literally one the greatest runs we’ve seen from a ball player ever. Don’t let recency bias fool you, Mike Trout is an all time great.
Not Trout he’s really overrated, but Degrom is the GOAT
@@noahbrown6961 no doubt. That’s why I said statistically because these years will cost him in the end. He’ll be an all time great no matter what when he hangs it up but had he stayed healthy, his name could have been alone on plenty of lists
You some how got that flipped. Crazy
2021 degrom is the biggest what if season ever. He could have had 1.20 ERA with like 250 ks
im crying just thinking about it
We've seen other pitchers have 90 inning stretches of dominance like he had that season. The difference is those pitchers did so as just a part of a full season, so their total numbers don't look as good. Pedro Martinez in 2000 started the year with a 0.99 ERA through his first 91 innings. deGrom had a 1.08 ERA in 92 innings in 2021. The difference is Pedro pitched 217 total innings and his ERA stabilized to 1.70. Other pitchers have also had stretches of 80-100 innings that were better than deGrom's 2021, they just actually finished their seasons and had the expected regression to merely incredible seasons instead of impossible. To suggest that deGrom could have maintained that ERA for another 100+ innings that year is wishful thinking.
300 Ks
Feels like forever ago, but ya. 2021 deGrom was one of the most exciting players I've ever seen. That season though, was really special until it ended with the injury.
And 4 wins lol
People forget that de GROM was also a pretty good hitter.
no we remember
Peak deGrom was an event when he was making a start. You just had to watch. Another option is for him to transition to the bullpen, throwing 100+ isnt as taxing when you are only throwing 30 pitches at a time
Yes, he can come back to the Mets as a relief pitcher maybe a set up man to Diaz
I love that
I was there at the complete game shutout vs Washington. You just knew it was his day from the first pitch. We may not see a performance as dominant as that for a long time
His best option is to become the most dominant closer in the MLB, but he makes too much to justify that.
DeGrom was a coin-toss for the Rangers: heads = top 5 pitcher in MLB or tails = broken and useless
I've been saying that DeGroms prime was way too short to consider him the best pitcher of his time, let alone an all-timer.
DeGrom at his peak was amazing don't get me wrong. But look at Verlander, Scherzer, and Kershaw. You can't honestly tell me that he was that much better than any of them, AND he had a shorter peak.
He wasn't better than any of the them. He
He was better than all of them at his peak
@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY For like 1 or 2 years. And when you compare his best years to the best years of those other pitchers, I just don't see it man. I've tried to, but I just haven't seen how people are so sure that he was WAY better
@@TheLastPrime38 1) he was better per prime vs prime … BUT and 2) I actually agree with you, I was commenting to the guy who commented on ur post, I should have hit reply to him directly
@@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY OH you're good lol, and believe me I'd love for DeGrom to come back and shut me up.
I do admire trout loyalty to stay with the angels(not sure why lol) but man I would rlly like to see him in the playoffs. You always want to see great players and how to perform in big games.
Well he's not very clutch anyway
That's a silly comment.
Ridiculous to talk about the HOF with this guy.
He's only had like 4 seasons with 30+ starts. I'd put him in the same boat as someone like Lincecum, borderline HoFer with an amazing peak but just wasn't on the field often enough. Maybe Degrom will put up another couple all-star level seasons in his late 30's. Then i would say he deserves to get in but i just don't see that happening.
Doc Gooden, Hershiser, Sutcliff, Jack Morris, Dave Steib, Mussina, Lincecum. He’s in that group.
I miss him so much man
Same. With reports of Texas is looking to shed payroll, I will gladly take him back on the Mets.
While I certainly advocate for players like the de Grom who had tremendous prime stats, longevity seems to become a dirty word in modern MLB Hall of Fame analysis.
A great example of a player like Eddie Murray who is continually undervalued because of the length of his career, and consistency of play, as he may have been the most consistently high performer of all time, yet is far down on the list of all time greats. The talent, athleticism and mental maturity it takes to consistently put up All-Star level performances year after year is beyond rare and speaks to levels of professionalism a maturity that few professional athletes ever attain.
IMO, Jake benefitted greatly from the sticky stuff and once it was banned he started racking up injuries from having to grip the ball harder
His injury issues stem from throwing 100mph fastballs and 96mph sliders.
IMO, today's starting pitchers pitch less innings then past pitchers because of the rise of analytics that has given the SP's more confidence that they can throw more pitches with them throwing with their top velocity. Problem is, that's relievers do, but they pitch on a much different schedule that's much more flexible and often.
i think they starting pitches are pitching too hard in too many pitches and are blowing out their arm. Throwing gas then waiting another 4 other starts before you're up again can't be great for someone's arm.
I also think today's pitching coaches coach velocity, velocity, and more velocity when the greg maddux type of way of "hitting their spots" has been underutilized. You don't need to throw triple digits when you can have great arm movement and hitting the spots you want. Then a 90 mph fastball and 78 mph changeup can be unhittable when thrown the right way and that will create a dependable pitcher that won't be blowing out their arms like these youngins currently. EDIT: 24:57 lol i'm writing this and video just brought up same point!
Those cardboard fans. I'm still so mad everyone just went along with all the nonsense back then.
Yeah... dying is for snowflakes.
In baseball ill never count anything completely out because anything can happen
I feel like i just saw another video REALLY similar to this, By Stark Raving Sports. Did you take inspiration from this, because i noticed you and him said a lot of the same things, and even used some of the same clips.
As a die hard Mets fan, big time baseball guy as well, Jacob Degrom is not only my favorite Met of all time, but easily my favorite athlete of all time. From the pure dominance on the mound to how humble he is in both victory and defeat, hes truly one of a kind. It's sad he hasn't been able to stay healthy in recent years, but he easily had one of the most dominant stretches in MLB history. As he gets older there is no lie, the clock is ticking. However, it's clear this guy is insanely intelligent when it comes to knowing how to get better and he works his ass off. I hope he finds his way back to NY, man that would be awesome. Great Video !!!!
He shouldve had so many more wins with the Mets if he had the run support, typical of the Mets. Same thing happened when Glavine was here and Steve Traschel
With the way starting pitchers are handled in today's game, and the trend that is continuing with this, players like de Grom will certainly get into the Hall of Fame bc we will no longer see the sustained long-term success that we have expected in the past
The most disappointing thing in my sports watching career is deGrom not being able to finish the 2021 season.
Unbelievable detail. Super impressive man keep going 👍
I hope you all enjoy!
Are there any clothing sponsors that are for people above 5'10" like me? I'm only 2.5 inches above 5'10", so am I stuck with the Big and Tall section?😃
Great video
As a mets fan, he was so much fun to watch. Every meta fan knew when Degromonation was pitching.
Best day of their life, I'm taking Degrom over Pedro or the big unit
If he's healthy rest of his career, he's still going to go down one of goats..
He needs to transition to a closer role. Fewer innings, more games, less grind, he'll last longer as a closer at this point.
that is stupid. less days of rest?
@ with only 2 inning at best and around 15 pitches or so per inning?
How is that stupid?
He never liked being a Met so he had to go. Best decision the Mets ever made.
Agreed. He proved that the best ability was availability. Doesn’t matter how great you are if you’re never on the mound.
@@michaelsegriff3362 he literally came back this year throwing 100 again and made a full recovery. but go off loser met fan
@@graysonedwards3035 Well, if he makes 40 starts during the remainder of his ridiculous contract, it’ll be a miracle. I wish him no ill will, but he’s always hurt.
Since game one… he receives no run support
Degrom was a bit like the Freak.
Always aloof towards the fans who adored him in NY. I didn’t miss him when he left because he was barely on the mound the last 3 seasons. Jake is for Jake period. His talented right arm resides in Texas now, where the Rangers will get some excellent starts, and all the other availability stuff that comes with Jake.
I was upset when he left but then I got over it because as met fans, I don’t think we ever gave him crap for poor performances and we begged and pleaded w our stingy ownership (at that time), to extend him and him and the Pimp Of Baseball, Scott Boras, wanted more money
@ His poor performances were few and far between. But it’s better to have some good pitchers who are available and make their starts, rather than great pitchers who are always injured.
In Texas he's spent most of his time on the IL.
I think the worst part of deGrom's chances are that he's probably only going to make 48 more starts on his current contract
This guy is very adorable
degrom is a hall of famer, he is showing no signs of slowing down, i call an age 40 season still being real dominant he is one of those guys who just grow with age, instead of declining with age
Bro is built like wet toilet paper. Not gonna have many more great seasons , if any
Tommy John taking down superstars is such a tragedy
Comparing him to Ben Joyce's pitching mechanics. deGrom seems to be doing it effortlessly.
7:40 "I don't care what the ERA is", insane.
deGrom should not be in the hall of fame, just hasnt pitched enough to warrant that. Sure his peak was incredibly high, but are we going to put every player who had two or three dominant seasons in the hall?
He gets in no question, didn't even need to throw a pitch in texas
Y'all keep saying he's not going to be good again. Acting like he didn't come back this year and make a full recovery from TJ. The problem was the Mets put the surgery off and off. Now that he had it done he's good to go. Like bro he literally came back looking just as good as he was if not better. But y'all are mets fans so you don't want to look at that fact.
honestly he always looked rather skinny/underweight to me. that probably factored to his injuries.
The truth is is that he blew out his arm in those back to back Cy Young years with the Mets. No need to look further into it.
I know he would be expensive in this role ( but he’s expensive to have on the IL) but why not turn him into a closer?
Didnt he pitch 23 innings this yr, what a horrible contract
Legend!
Mookie and hitting grounders to first. If you name your kid mookie he will win a World Series
Need to move him to a closer role
Dude was unhittable for a year then got paid to do nothing. Ya he isnt a hall of famer dor having two good years. Heck lincecum had a better few years than degrom if you wanna compare and he isnt making it
Oh, and him!
He got cursed the moment he cut his hair.
Degrom should absolutely not make the hall imo. He has under 100 wins and less than 5 good seasons.
Sandy Koufax also had only 5 good seasons and he's in the Hall
@chrisdeluca6577 I feel you. But I wouldn't in good conscious vote him in. No postseason success either. Ultimately, he was just dominant for a few of his prime years when the ball was wonky and then soon became a highly paid paperweight.
his training and pitching style is the reason why he's always injured
🎵 “Simple kinda man” 🎵
I’m sorry but he’s not a HoF but that’s just my opinion
Also I think Rangers wasted money on him because he hasn’t done shit for them
He was fun to watch. Should be a high end 4 inning guy now
To be fair, he's really been a 5-6 inning pitcher most of his career. Only 4 of his 11 years has been over 150 innings. I wish someone told him when he was coming up that he didn't have to blow out his arm pitching like he does. I wish more young pitchers coming up were told that.
Looks like bohm with long hair
Nope. He'll never get another Cy young . Or be a hall of famer.
Here’s the harsh truth…..oops he’s out for the year.👎💨
His favorite team growing up was the Braves. I really hope he gets to become one and help us destroy the Mets!
Oh, he was fun to watch at his peak. He was arguably the greatest to ever do it when he had it.
He’s a bum???
He’s a thief
He'll never be a hall of famer
mmaybe
He's a Met. His Ranger career was lame.