Do Belts REALLY Matter in BJJ?
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- bteamjj.myshopify.com Merch is now live! | Three of the B-Team's greatest minds weigh in on a topic they are highly qualified to talk about... Do belts matter in grappling and jiu-jitsu? Nicky Rod twice won an ADCC silver medal and he's not a black belt. Nicky Ryan went to ADCC multiple times before ever getting a black belt. Who knows about Ethan. But they've all got very important opinions which you must listen to.
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00:00 - Intro
00:21 - Are belts a true reflection of ability?
01:58 - Do belts matter less in no-gi?
03:35 - Washing belts, yes or no?
04:27 - How belts are a reward system for students
05:34 - Is gi a different sport to no-gi?
06:39 - When Nicky Rod trained with a black belt world champion
06:49 - How the gi made Nicky Ryan literally throw up
08:17 - If belts don’t matter, why do we give them out at B-Team?
09:56 - Do belts mean the same thing in gi and no-gi?
10:30 - Who would win between a gi and no-gi blue belt?
12:03 - Where wrestlers fit in the belt system
13:52 - Is there a better alternative to belts?
14:28 - Final thoughts on whether belts matter - Спорт
Ethen looks like the guy who was controlled by that rat in ratatouille
I can’t unsee it, I’ll never look at him the same. 😂
@@MrStrongBro I commented this drunk Saturday night have no recollection commenting this but now it’s really messing with me also
Holy shit!
Broooo lol ajajjajajajajajaja
True
I go to a 10th planet school, where nobody ever wears the gi. And yet, somehow, everyone is still obsessed with belts. People always say they don't care about belts, and they are always lying. It's just human nature: it's a hierarchy and it's a form of recognition. Personally I like the ranks, it helps you know where you stand. Does it matter? Not really. And yet it's everything.
recognition from winning tournaments >
if you are casual i see why would someone would care
just look at the thumbnail in the video. If the belts didn't matter, they wouldn't have referenced Nick Rods Blue Belt and him being a Blackbelt slayer. If belts go away, there will just be another criteria to rank people. It's a must in any contact sport. Division One, Collegiate level, Amateur champ, etc... Belts are just general tools of measuring competence and experience.
Belts are political and a money maker in most martial arts schools in the USA...They are seldom earned, they are a gift from the instructor to his paying customers...a 1st place medal or trophy is earned on the mat, belts not so much...
@@pulsarlights2825 You're not wrong in general but most martial arts promotions systems are not comparable to BJJ. It can take roughly 10 years to earn a black belt in BJJ. Haven't yet seen any BJJ belt (regardless of color) gifted to anyone. They were all earned where I've trained.
@@mmhm007 I know people at certain schools that basically suck (for lack of a better word), meaning they not only never competed but they rarely even rolled in the class...yet I watched them get promoted up the chain just for showing up and paying the money for 8-10 years...Not every school is like that, but they do exist....I would rather be a tough blue or purple belt than a black belt with very little mat time in 10 years....
Good to see Nicky Rod eating fruit instead of horse meat for a change.
Laughed out loud in public reading this comment
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Lol - RIGHT... guess he's taking that cholesterol result seriously. Good for him. He's my favourite grappler now his natty status has been confirmed.
Man, ever since those test results came out people won’t live it down. 😂
During his Ubereem days, Alistair Overeem said he was eating horsemeat when he got popped, but it ended up being acai lol.
Listening to how Nickyrod's brain works is the most entertaining thing on the internet.
Yeah his brain accessing information is like a huge warehouse for information with a single tonka truck sitting in the center
Reminds me of Ricky from Trailer Park Boys 😂
What was Nicky Rod's GPA at MIT?
Yeah you’re right. Sun drying a sweaty gi was the thing that did it for me😂
@@pulsarlights2825 🤣🤣🤣
I think belts matter a lot for people that don't want to compete. It's a concrete reward for improvement in skills and dedication to the sport. There is definitely a wide variety of skill levels at each belt, but I think they represent a good general guidance for the jiu jitsu experience of a person.
If you're paying to train.... why wouldn't you compete? It's the only way to know if the training you are receiving is relevant.
Not true, open mats is a pretty easy way to determine that without paying for competitions
@@DoubleI662 different people train BJJ for different reasons. Being over 40 i did a lot of comp in white and blue but now I'm in it for something different. Being at the top of the heap is no longer my goal. My goal is self improvement now and i don't won't to put myself in the risk that comp brings
@@DoubleI662 you know that some people just train for better shape, some self defence skills and just for fun? Still there are plenty of former comptetitors who are injured and just want to stick with their passion. It is just fun to do.
@@DoubleI662 no way. I'm the sole income for my family and can't take the extra risk sparring with strangers. Providing for my kids and spouse is 1000 times more important than trying to get a cheap 15 dollar medal. I know how my skills stack up when my competitor teammates and I spar hard, then see them win. Or if I go to an open mat and they try to smash me
Hey guys, the belt system is based on knowledge and application. The founder of judo created the belt system, he was an educator. BJJ came from Judo. Martial arts are supposed to be an education system, that’s why it’s called a grading when you get promoted. In judo the color belts are called Grades, and then there are 10 degrees of black, which are steps to mastery. The whole purpose of the belt system initially was to not make money, but to guide the students through the curriculum.
The problem is they stifle progression with age and time-at-rank minimums. I get they don't want people progressing through unnaturally, but can anyone really say that any sixth degree black belt is six times better than Gordon Ryan, who has been limited by his age and time-at-rank?
@@NotKimiRaikkonen you’re right. The min time in rank is fairly new and prior, people just had to be awarded their black belt stripes by their own Professor. It was knowledge based. People like Xande, Gordon, Marcelo, Roger, and Bruno are Masters at their craft and this should be at least Coral Belts. Legends like Jean Jacques, Rickson, Royler, Liborio, and Royce should all be Grand Masters. But here we are. I would love to get my coral belt so now my goal is to live long enough and don’t die.
And that's why we need second system for competitions. Ranking system like elo. Belt systems for student is completely different needs than for competition...
@@mikkosalama8213 an Elo ranking similar to chess would be super cool.
@@arnoldb4526 who’s getting black belts in 2 years in the US? In Japan yeah, 2 years, but the rest of the world it takes more than that. It took me 8 years to get my judo black belt in California.
I’m a Blue belt and I definitely care about Belt Promotions. However, my main focus is to be able to roll and defend myself against anyone no matter the belt. Jiu Jitsu is a personal Journey
Solid video. Loving these laid back discussion videos.
Thank you for using the footage of me rolling with Dorian 😂
Coaches only pay attention when you're not doing well haha...at least in my case.
As someone completely new to bjj being able to quickly identify who has experience when I need to ask a question/help when the instructor is busy with someone is also super handy when it comes to the belt system
“Before it was dinosaurs, now it’s humans” 😂 what an absolute champ.
Its like any sport. People that are young can be way more skilled than someone who has been doing it for years. Soccer and basketball are great examples of young kids coming in and beating more experienced pros. The belt system helps keep the hobbyists and shows that they and people who also compete are improving. That doesn’t mean a blue belt can’t beat a black belt. There are plenty of people that learn way quicker and have a higher ceiling but less training time.
I’ve heard this subject talked about a few times. I think it’s worth going back and reading about the original intention of the belt system by Kano before you even talk about it just for reference at least it would improve the discussion
How do you grade people at b team? I heard Nicky Ryan saying it's based on knowledge but what do you need to know?
For example do you have a curriculum like lachlan giles? do you grade competition/hobbyist or older people differently? Do they have to be well rounded, for example, someone with a great guard but no wrestling or leg attacks VS someone who is average everywhere etc?
I think as a competitor - just as Nicky said - belts don't really matter. However, as a business, especially for most of the BJJ non competition driven practitioner and the kids having a progression system in place that is standard and recognized is important. Great video. Thanks for sharing
Exactly, this is why you dont see recreational wrestling for adults as much. When students are wrestling in school they're essentially a fulltime athlete, hence no need for belts. They gauge their ability by competing, but when you're out of school and with no one else to compete with how do u know how ur doing.
Yeah for most. I know a guy who did mma professionally and I'm pretty sure is a bjj blackbelt + does nogi and owns a gym. I'll be training there soon and I don't care about belts I just want to be able to destroy anyone on the feet or on the ground. I've been to prison and if I go back I want to wreak havoc and run the yard on some straight bully shit.(I'm 6'4 so once trained will be a weapon.) Fuck a belt I want the skills
Belt systems work best probably as system of personal achievement. Because there's so much variation in skill at each rank, it might be better to judge people's skill on the length of time of their training, and/or their accomplishments in competition.
Years ago I had the progression psychological problem, only in the game of Go. After years pondering about how to solve it I came to the conclusion that the best you can do is reassure the negative: if you learn one thing everyday, what is the likelihood you are NOT progressing?
Learned an obscure martial art at a school where there are no belts or uniforms, everyone wears workout clothes and it was important for us to ask students we didn't know where they were in training as they may not be able to take a throw and do a tumble or slip a joint lock. It was always much easier to ask, than to assume.
Since BJJ doesn't allow striking, throwing/slamming, it's less important to know your your opponents experience level.
When I get asked what belt I am, I just answer I been around the block, and leave it there.
As a "belt system", I tend to use this: white = newbie, blue = can defend against/control an untrained opponent of equal size/strength, purple = can defend against/control an untrained opponent of mostly any size/strength, brown = can defend against/control lower and most of the same belt level trained opponents of equal size/strength, black = can defend/control against almost anyone. Of course there are outliers if someone runs into a physical freak or D1 athlete. I also look at depth of knowledge too. For the most part this system works for me.
Dang by your rules I would be considered a brown belt but I'm a white. Lol 6 years in as a white because of military moving me around but yeah
A white belt can defend/control an untrained opponent of equal strength
I think it's a good way to guage general knowledge if utilized correctly. As well, it makes sense from a business perspective to market to a wider potential pool of students who will overwhelmingly not compete (regularly). Competition-wise, especially in no-gi, I'd say it's not as important.
The higher I go in belts the less I care. I just want to be good and not have imposter syndrome anymore 😂
The forever struggle
Old school grading (like in karate), if done well, would probably help ease up confusion. Like where you get a belt when you're tested on being able to pull off a certain set of submissions or sweeps or whatever. The belt would serve as a decent marker of one's knowledge and practice, as apposed to a vague indication of one's skill.
Nah. In the end, what they care about is genuine skill level. A set test defeats the purpose -- then people just study for the test, rather than develop true skill that applies _everywhere_ outside the test.
A fixed test sends the wrong message about what makes you good. Just like a set of kata for a karate promotion test sends the wrong message about true combat readiness.
That's why sometimes I think that testing is a good thing before they get their belt. As a white belt and blue I got tested by my Brazilian professor about basic moves and escapes. When I got to purple (new club that doesn't do testing), they just paid attention when they rolled with me, and I think they made notes.
I think a relevant question to this discussion is: what are the thresholds of differentiating one belt from another? what are the criteria to promote a student from one belt to another? how do these standards differ from one place to another? maybe the belt system is still relevant in no-gi, but the lack of a unified standard to rate athletes across the board gives the impression that the ranking is irrelevant ... just food for thought.
yeah i think its silly if there are no unified rules and i think it would be better if everyone gained rating points from beating people at tournaments and the only way to become black belt ect is beating those who are at that level, i think it would definitely remove all the fake promotions we see.
@@AaronGiffordOfficial So just screw everyone who doesn't want to compete or physically cant from getting a black belt? wut? Why would we want anyone controlling a system like that lol the IBJJF does enough damage as is...
@@Lockdown335 well if you don't want to compete then you probably aren't deserving anyways because you won't test your skills and then you won't even know if they'd work irl. And if you can't compete then how can you even be deserving of a higher rank if you can't even perform the skills that would make up someone of a higher rank, you can't just he a higher rank just because you've been doing bjj for a while. Something unified had to he done and if you want a higher rank then you should be shown that you're capable of performing it in a real setting. For those who think they're too old to compete they still have divisions for older people. But I repeat you should only be able to get a high rank if you can show that you know what you're doing in a real situation, no slowed down rolling or you demonstrating what you just learned from a danaher video 10 minutes beforehand, just pure skill from practicing and competing.
@@Lockdown335 I should've asked you in that comment why do you think someone who has never competed should be worthy of a black belt. Like if you base it on knowledge then anyone could be a black belt from watching UA-cam videos and seeing how all the techniques are meant to be done but a real black belt is able to do them proficiently, effectively against any opponent
Would you rather be a "sand bagger" and be better than your actual belt or a black belt that sucks? I know a few black belts that do not really roll because they aren't as good as they should be.... How watered down is BJJ compared to the way it was 20 years ago?
I really wish we could hear Nicky Ryan talk MORE
I'm glad Natural Rod is taking his nutrition seriously! 🤙🏻
Love both gi and no gi, belts matter, and and its something to be proud of.
Belts were definitely a business thing at my old gym. $295 for a belt testing
YIKES
LOL
Any gym charging you to test is a mcdojo bro... Get the fuck out of there...
I could pay for 2 months of membership with that lol
Thats more than my yearly fee.
It was a belt system that first touched these shores…….puts some respik on it always!
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This is the second time that NickyRod mentioned that “if the gi guy wants to wear the gi he can” like it’s an advantage for the GI wearer. He doesn’t get that the GI is a disadvantage for the GI wearer like 90% of the time.
He really doesn’t understand the GI. I love the way his brain works, it’s really entertaining
As helio Gracie said what matters is you have skills and more importantly can you teach it because one day you won’t be able to fight anymore so since you can’t fight anymore does that mean you aren’t a black belt anymore?
honestly the belts don’t matter as much depending on training environments because nicky rod for example he’s a brown belt but he trains with the best jiu jitsu players in the world so he has the skills of a black belt but if you picked up a black belt from a gym where it’s strictly hobbyists that guy would not beat any other black belts who legitimately train to compete belts are just tradition your skill is dependent on your environment and training regiment
These boys describe the change of no-gi grappling from BJJ to wrestling with submissions.
Fun Fact: Wrestling with submissions is the original "no-gi submission grappling". Satoru "Tiger Mask" Sayama's grappling program for Shooto in the 1980's was Catch Wrestling without pins. They did it for MMA as well as for pure grappling tournaments.
Anyone can pick distinct examples where someone did this or that. Wrestling is less submissions and more take down based in modern day grappling, BJJ is the other way round. BJJ comps start from standup so are now incorporating a lot more wrestling/judo but the need to be extremely proficient on the ground is still the mainstay. Wrestling due to its competition style will never have the variety and depth of submissions that BJJ has, it’s not needed in the sport.
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Agreed.
@@IamDude2 what are you talking about? Classically, Shoot Wrestling had way more submissions than classic BJJ. If you've ever seen Shooto or Catch Wrestling prior to BJJ changing into Submission Wrestling, you would not have written that comment.
One of many examples is leg locks. They used to be banned in BJJ, meanwhile the current leg lock game originates from Catch.
@@theemperorcharlemagne who cares about “classically” is my point, anyone can use google, “fun fact” lol, were you told you’re a bit stupid in school so now you’re trying to ease that chip on your shoulder? Every martial art has changed over the centuries picking up relevant styles as pertained to the time and dropping others, catch wrestling originated in England..great but so what. These boys, as you put it, are talking about the modern application of wrestling in sport where submissions are less important vs bjj where they are, hence the wrestling + submissions statement, others have stated it’s more like bjj with more takedowns. Nicky Rod was a very good wrestler but didn’t know how to submit before he took up bjj, don’t believe me..google it genius.
Merigolli is pretty ok nogi and same with keenan
Its just a set of different circumstances which makes the physics and approach different. And nogi is more fun for casuals to enjoy. Like basketball vs baseball maybe
Did anyone actually expect them to say that gi could defeat no gi? Of course not. That said, as an 8 year jj practitioner, I agree w a lot of what they say. I've long abandoned the idea that the belt is the end all be all. I've submitted higher belts, and I've been humbled by lower belts. What I've come to value the belt for is not how I stack up against others, but what it says about my progress. Am i better than I was 1, 5, or 8 years ago? Is my brown belt self better than my blue belt self? That is what I see the purpose as, and for that reason, plus some of the others mentioned in this video, I can't fully agree that belts are irrelevant.
I train nogi 95% of the time these days, but I have to say, unless you're getting in a "street" fight or whatever in Hawai'i, and everyone is in board short and flip flops, the gi actually makes more sense. Even in this video, you were all wearing hoodies. People... wear clothes. They're not kimonos, sure, but same idea. Again, I love nogi, not trying to take anything away, but for self defense I think gi makes fine sense, too.
Belt system is a good indicator (generally) of approximate time training imo
Yes and no for average student probably it shows dedication,perseverance,time on mat knowledge moves in your arsenal u acquired in usually 8-10yr span especially in gi ,but in MMA no gi or streets nah
My school ranks adults as:
White, yellow, orange, green, blue, purple, brown, black. Compared to a lot of schools, our blue belts are tough. I think it’s a good system, because any colored belt in that ranking system can roll with white belts and have control
I think there should be an ELO rating system like in chess and award titles like they do there aswell like say black belt is 2000 rated, you have to have 3 performances that are on average 2000 rated or higher at a tournament and you get your black belt.
Then people loose their black belts as time goes on and they cant compete anymore?
@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe do you loose grand master title? I though once u reach It u have It
@@kulik121 Not sure, I was thinking more about as your rating drops. But makes more sense as a title you earn and keep.
@@kulik121 no you never lose your grand master title or any title
@@Oldhandlewasabitcringe in chess you cannot lose your title unless earned through cheating ect and it shows at one point you were that good and if your rating does drop then it just shows you aren't as proficient anymore due to age or taking a break ect
I think everyone I'd on their own path and just because a athletic wrestler guy is subbing you doesn't mean you don't deserve that belt. I had a student talk to me about how he smashes higher belts or some higher belts that let other lower belts "work/play" because if I go 100 everyday on everyone then some people will not come back. And it's a business where people need to come back. I think belts matter so much, but to each their own and, that also everybody is on their own path on this jiu jitsu journey. Do not compare, focus on yourself and what you need to improve.
What about people that don't compete, are not athletic, injured, old/over the hill etc, they still get promoted as long as they keep showing up and paying the monthly fees, right? That doesn't exist in wrestling, people that suck get cut from the wrestling team, and you don't see middle aged men wrestling a few nights a week after work....
@Pulsar Lights it's hard to run a business when the majority of the population is unathletic. Everyone is on their own path as they maybe just studying the art and practicing it. If everyone who sucked at jiujitsu quit that would be half of the competitors if not more at your local regional maybe even national tournaments, hard for athletes to get good work without opponents. Respect everybody and respect their path and why they want to study the art of jiujitsu.
In the other styles I train we do not wash our belts and we say it keeps in all the blood, sweat, and tears. So after several harder sparring sessions I would have to hang my belts outside as they would get pretty funky.
Good for hobbyists...doesn't matter for top level competitors.
I don't often train gi, but when I do I treat it like any other clothing and wash it (including the belt) after I'm done..
Agreed the belt is more of a milestone/trophy of accomplishment .But the belt does not represent skill level for sure. I think the belt system might have been introduced more or less as a business perspective. How d you keep someone engaged in this port without little mini accomplishments through out the years ? enter belts and stripes.
IMO, outside of high level competition, belts are meant to at least standardize a persons skill level. Sandbagging or having phenom aside, I think most people fall in somewhat the same skill curve that it becomes relatively fair. Belts matter in perhaps local / lower level tournaments, as a way to track progress, and perhaps in rewarding dedication to the sport (this is more of a business / personal endeavor). Other than that, especially in elite level competition, belts are irrelevant.
I have moved gyms because of mililtary. So ive never spent ling enough at one gym to get projoted so i have 5-6 years in as a white belt. I feel like i make a lot if blue and purples feel bad about their ability and i have had yo learn to not care about the constant stream if blue belts trying to show me the simplist technique like im a beginner.
I kinda figured it was a sign of knowledge
Belts are really important to guage progress for most people. Professional no-gi grapplers, it doesn't matter at all.
I don't know I like both... but I would love more like [ jeans- tshirt ] combat open hand training... not MMA
Back in the day JiuJitsu guys fought MMA, Gi and NoGi it wasn't this seperate thing like it is now. Even to this day the top NoGi guys train Gi still.
I think GI Jiu-Jitsu might be back though 🤔Mereigali and ruotolos make GI look awesome
This is like the BJJ version of the “Is fortnite actually overrated?”meme with the kids sitting on the couch lmao
You guys need to examine the parallels with the competitve sports in which it's pure meritocracy, like Tennis, chess, Go, wrestling. There are probably BJJ athletes who have experienced both extensively with very good insights.
If we just call it grappling will it still be jiu jitsu or is jiu jitsu with Gi or maybe Jiu jitsu grappling? I’m a confused whitey
ADCC used to be called submission wrestling I think, now called submission grappling
I think they are super important but not in the context of competition, more so in relationship to your personal potential. NickyRod was a 'blue belt' relative to his potential at the time. Now he's a black belt relative to his knowledge and experience and this version of himself would crush 'blue belt' nicky rod. Idk if that matters but that's why that i think they are important.
It sucks though because a lot of gyms go by time and not progress. Muay Thai now there's a shirt thing and Muay Thai you use to only know your progress by fights but now a lot of Muay Thai hobbyists don't want to fight in the ring, sparring is enough . As a hobbyist though how would you know? Then a coach accidentally match up 2 different people in skill or weight and one might get hurt by spazzing. I did like my old gym had beginners, intermediate and advanced in no gi. I think that's how it should be. But some reward things would be cool in no gi. I think no gi has to officially change into grappling by name and other things have to change with that as well like really separate from bjj, wrestling and judo and be just grappling or another name.
"Belt covers 2inches of your ass, you have to cover the rest. "- royce (I think)
At my last Gi roll a guy lifted me off of him when I had mount with his foot in my belt. Sooo bloody annoying! I worked hard to get there and then I have his toe jam in my belt! So yes I wash my belt.
Nicky Ryan wise beyond his years.
IMO there should be a set curriculum just like, this is what makes BJJ Belts kind of weird and ambiguous is that there is generally no set curriculum and all belts are drilling the same techniques very often as opposed to ok new belts you drill this and higher belts you drill that, in Judo Black Belt just means one has learned a core set of between 30-60 techniques, both standing and ground "Newaza" (if they are teaching the complete set of Judo) with a very specific set of techniques for each belt, once someone has leaned all techniques for xyz belt they test for that belt demonstrating they know the techniques (drilling the techniques and competent in live sparring) and this a Black Black (1st Dan) would take 5 years as an example not the 10-12 in BJJ as Black Belt in Judo would be the beginner belt in which one really starts to develop the technique and refine it in live sparring where BJJ seems to be more about "winning" and knowing and testing for XYZ Technique at every belt , thus "could not explain or perform a lot of movements, techniques, positions if their life depended on it"
BJJ would be improved by going to two belts and separating competition and teaching achievements. A "novice" belt for people learning the basic positions, getting themselves conditioned, and who might pose a danger to themselves or others in a training environment. Basically, common standards for white belt through late-blue fit the "novice" category. Everyone else is grouped with an "advanced" belt - being late-blue to black. This consolidates competitions, eliminates sand-bagging, etc. A small subset of the advanced category should receive a teaching "badge" (or whatever) on their advanced belt... awarded to people with a deep understanding of the game and possessed of good character.
Hey, hi, sooo not everyone comes into jiujitsu with years of wrastling experience sooooo.. yeh belts kinda.. do make sense??
Gi vs nogi who would win? It depends. Yea you won’t catch anyone on the streets with a gi on but last I checked, everyone wears clothes. I would give the slight advantage to no gi but can’t count the gi guy out
Would in the hypothetical street fight scenario proposed, a hoodie such as the ones wore in the video be lent more to a gi player still set than non gi? Most people are wearing clothes. Just because it's not a karate costume doesnt mean you can choke the fuq out of them with thier shit.
YES, LETS GO!!!
You guys are all wearing hoodies that can be used for gi chokes! Always good to remember that when you’re making the gi vs no gi st fight argument..
Most everybody I know who does gi does nogi. now when it comes to nogi there are a lot of guys who don't do gi. I don't really think you can separate the two
5:35 - 6-05. “I don’t think it’s going to be called No Gi it’s going to be called grappling”.
In AMERICA since the 1800’s ….catch wrestling!
Judo/jujutsu/catch wrestling➡️Brazilian Jiu jitsu
we need to start identifying and putting respect on
🇺🇸AMERICAN Jiu jitsu
Agree with everything in the video, esp buttering up with B-cream.
Nicky Rods left ear looks like it’s trying to give me a high five
No-gi BJJ is pretty much just catch wrestling but with a more refined guard system at this point. The gi and belt system that accompany it are taken directly from Judo, as are most things in old school/gi BJJ to be frank and fair, the application is just different (BJJ = specialists on the ground but "merely" competent on the feet, Judo = specialists with throws/takedowns but "merely" competent on the ground, to grossly oversimplify things for the purposes of not rambling... which I am already!)
Infact when gracie jiu jitsu started there was only white belts and blue belts, white was the students and the blue was the professors. The belts started for more a comercial thing as u guys said
my son goes to this place but he goes to the one in New Jersey. The B Team New Jersey Ju-Jitsu Green Brook,NJ
No hepect for the gi, no hespect for jiu-jitsu... jk I love the gi compete and train in both. They are different sports
Belts do not matter, as you guys know. Some care some don't . I never did and whooped blackbelts on toughness and strength alone. I too was like NATTY ROD on TRT for 10 years , levels stayed within natural limits , no one ever knew i was on it. I ended up with very thick blood and similar labs to NATTY ROD. I'm now off TRT and notice a huge diff , but no more thick blood ROD. give it a shot.
Well... a school just got hit w a 46 million dollar ruling. The main point of contention is that the student was a white belt. They went out of their way to say white belts are a beginner.
So yes... they matter because they have existed in the public domain for so long that the courts have given them meaning.
B team ranked garter belts ?
I boxed 25 years, and guys knew when a golden glove guy entered the room. THEY JUST KNEW.
Someone already has other martial art experiences(wrestling, judo etc) or is Olympian who compete for hard training sport, Belt is not always matter. Because winning of fight sports is decided by Strength, Cardio and Skills. For example Someone has Olympian ring gymnastic player, he or she already has Grappling strength, so their starting line is very different from other people who has not trained any sport seriously. It is just my opinion.
I mean...belts matter, they just arent the ONLY thing that matters...nor do they matter for the exact reasons everyone thinks. Its not always a "skill" only (IE Execution) thing. Its progress, time, skill...everything combined. As a "Black Belt" I have rolled with all levels of belts and have found though yeah belts are a rough guide its not a guarantee. I have rolled with black belts and handed their asses to them with ease and on the flip have rolled with a blue and had to put in work to get the win. People will have automatic expectations of individuals with a black belt vs a blue belt, and that makes sense...but I have seen high level black belts SUCK at teaching, and other old black belts who cant roll well anymore but are amazing coaches. Same with blue, purple...brown...everyone has SOMETHING to offer...
question: wrestlers progress faster than judokas? If so, why is that? Greetings from Mexico!
There is no universal skill system approach to belts.
Anyone can open a gym and distribute belts however they want .. my gym is all Gi and sometimes no Gi / wrestling and we have people who have trained for near 2 years total grappling: BJJ, wrestling , judo and some have never lost and they are white belts still lol .. while some gyms give a blue belt after 6 months training with no competition exp.
And also the physical condition of a the participant.. a chubby out of shape white belt who’s been training for 6 months will still have a very hard time subbing an in shape athletic guy who’s 1 week in.
I remember when my gym first opened up, maybe a year ago almost everyone of us were new to grappling .. me I was healthy: dieted, weight lifted .. I was able to constantly beat people who were near 100+LB heavier than me just from my athleticism + cardio .. then there are people who are a little smaller than me but waaaay more experienced, they can def beat me on points but never once have I been tapped by a guy smaller than me… and I’m only 170ish and 5’7 so not like I’m a giant like Nicky lmao.
So in my short period of rolling, I’d say nah belts don’t matter at all because if they did a 170lb white belt shouldn’t be able to sub a 260lb white belt 2x in a row by RNC
Belts are cut from the same cloth, but the fighters are not.
Gi works especially if they wearing hoodies or long pants in a street fight
I always thought the middle of answering a q&a was the best time to start eating. It's a sign of respect towards your audience and the people you're talking to. Good job.
A D1 Wrestler would take forever to learn of to get out of mount and not to instinctively turn to their back when he’s on bottom. This is years of muscle memory in training in a different sport. You see it all the time and the UFC when one for the wrestler fights are on the bottom and the first thing they do is give up their back
It used to only be white and blue belt.
White belt was for everyone and Blue belt was for instructors
A coloured badge on the shorts wouldn’t be a bad idea.
Belts originated in Judo, they had 100+ students, it was just a way of separating beginners from advanced, the advanced students would be working on advanced techniques while new students were working on basic techniques
In nogi you should get coloured rash guards not belts. That’s how Chris Brennan does it and I agree. Why would you get a Belt when you have no jacket to tie. Doesn’t make sense
When Marcelo was winning ADCC he still trained 5 days a week in Gi
Meregali reached a world no gi level after only 6 months of training... The other way to the gi is NOT possible
11:00 hahaha these lads trying to sell No GI as a better self defence system when GI BJJ has been doing just fine for a long time but just do both unless you want to compete in MMA or dislike one or the other. Sometimes putting the PJs on after weeks on no gi is really nice haha
There are a ton of no GI competitors that train both. Everyone from ATOS, 6 blades, AOJ etc. Most schools will train both and a lot of high level competitors come from them. It is kind of a stupid argument. I doubt anyone had Nicky Rod strip a wrist grip and look at him like a god, unless he was "buttered up" and surprised the opponent.
Yes the exception makes the rule.
Why aren’t seasoned ibjjf guys dominating the podium recently if its that easy?
@@Black-Circle Mica Galvao, Tye and Kade Ruotolo, Kaynan Duarte, Pedro Marinho, Cyborg Abreu... Off the top of my head
Belts are experience, and to create an idea of whom to respect based on their knowledge. Belts are NOT an indicator of skill. A skilled white belt who is able to beat burples and browns knows how to use a couple of techniques at their best potential. But they don't necessarily have nearly the same wealth of knowledge as a purple or brown belt due to less experience
Functionally, a belt is good for keeping your blouse closed, that's it. Business wise, it's good for the +95% in the art, who aren't there to compete. A belt motivates students to keep paying tuition and coming back to get smashed, because that's the art part. But for the other 5%, BJJ is more than an art, it's a sport... it's irrelevant. Even in Gi tournaments, there's so many sandbaggers. You can't 100% trust that you won't get someone who is obviously above their anticipated belt ranking.
No Gi and Gi are two different martial arts at this point. Belts are important because they mark the journey you training has gone through. I also agree that its very hard to Belt/Rank No Gi because standards really haven't been made for it.
If that’s the case why wasn’t Craig Jones able to score a single point against Nicholas Meregali, whose only been training in the gi for 6 months prior to ADCC.
@@siavosh87 and yet Nicky Rod as a wrestler won silver in ADCC as a blue belt.
There is still overlap like they said, but they are separating. Having a background in any other grappling discipline (Judo, Wrestling, Sambo,etc.) Will certaintly carry over to jiu jitsu just like gi has carry over to no gi.
@@Aaron-bd9sj yes, this goes to serve my point that there is a lot of overlap in these areas (like you mentioned yourself) and the overlap is only increasing. There is a lot of overlap in wrestling and Jiu Jitsu, not in the moves directly but things like base, etc. Even totally unrelated martial arts are starting to incorporate Jiu Jitsu into their game. There will still be a distinction between No Gi and Gi but to say they will be two different martial arts at some point is just not going to happen in my opinion.
Personally I think the belts and rankings are important and good to have in the gi. They signify one’s knowledge more than ones competitiveness. For instance a guy who starts BJJ at 40 and genuinely knows a lot of gaurds and styles and submissions and I now a wealth of knowledge and has a shot load to teach a new student at the age of 60 should be a black belt. He’s an encyclopaedia of BJJ. He knows a lot of stuff. He should be able to watch you role and say “hey, try this next time” and it helps you improve.
By this measure some one who is a good wrestler but can only rear naked choke everyone doesn’t deserve a higher belt until they learn more. I mean, what have they got to teach? They are just using their athleticism.
On the other hand I think nogi doesn’t need belts. If a nogi athlete knows lot of obscure submissions that aren’t very effective then who cares. It should be more like wrestling
There should only be one belt and only the best person should wear it
I just think the way belts are awarded is kind of arbitrary.
I used to think if you're a purple belt, you're supposed to beat every white belt easy... turns out no... turns out if you weigh 100lbs, and you're a purple belt girl, you're only supposed to really beat other 100lbs white belts easy... if her opponent is 180lbs she's not expected to perform at a purple belt level.... which makes the whole belt system kinda odd...
I don't know... I don't think the belt system is perfect, but I don't think we have a better alternative.
World class wrestlers are a black belt in their own respective art, which is a major part of the greater art of grappling, so it’s kind of bs to say belts don’t matter coming from a world class wrestler. Belts should matter but are general indicators of skill level.