You should have shot the CCI 1st at both distance and shot atleast 20 rounds of the Center X before shooting groups. My experience with my Savage Mark II and other rimfire rifles is that the difference in lube will make them shoot a little wonky until the barrel is seasoned with the new lube. Lapua/SK is an oily lube where CCI is a waxy lube.
Yep, I ended up doing another video later with this application, keeping track of each grouping every 5 rounds. The video is post on my page and I believe the best grouping was around 3/4”. Thanks for the comment.
The trigger control was not as deliberate as necessary for shooting excellent groups. Also, the bolt handle jerked upon firing pin drop, indicating a problem with consistent ignition. Also, a bipod is not as accurate to shoot groups as having front and rear bags, due to slight inconsistencies.
True. But it all works for me! I have found that the gun shoots best with SK Longe Range Match. The best 100 yard group I was able to produce so far is .81” (13/16). I don’t shoot bench matches but am thinking of getting into it. Do you mind me asking what ammo you shoot? I’v been looking for new rounds to continue to compare and see what shoots best for the gun.
@@ONeillOutdoors My best BR rifle liked RWS R50, but if you're really into shooting benchrest, you sample several LOT#s and buy as much as you can afford of the one that shoots best in your rifle. The last time I did that, none of the best three lots were available three days or so later. I decided it was about time to get out of the game!!!
As others have said shooting different brands back to back without clearing out the lubricant from the previous brand doesn't tell you much. I must have missed any notations on wind conditions. It looks like both brands are stringing from 11 o'clock to 5 o'clock telling me the barrel harmonics are not matched to either brand. The way that rifle rocks on that bipod I'm impressed he could get close to groups like that. Who knows what either brand would do with a properly tuned barrel.
How to tighten up that MOA: I have shot SK 22lr for 5 years (currently SK Long Range) with consistent sub MOA results. I have shot Lapua Center X also with the same results as with the SK. The ONLY way that I have improved upon the MOA of the aforementioned brands is by using a Neil Waltz 22lr resizing die. The tool ensures a consistent 0.225 in. diameter driving ring for 360 degrees. I relate the positive effect of the die to a good rile crown; a damaged crown will open up the MOA. An uneven driving ring will accomplish the same effect as a damaged crown. I shoot consistent 100 yd. sub -MOA's (no wind).
Exactly, the the Waltz die works. After resizing more than 15k rds & using a chronograph to obtain the FPS . Group sizes decrease because the SD / ES are moved into the single digit numbers. Good crimping size = consistent case pressure.= small ES. To test ammo you need to know the FPS ES & SD, if you don't know you are wasting time & money. You must know the environmental and what the barrel dynamics to see how much of the ammo is out of tolerance. The better brands of ammo cost more because more quality control measurements are used to sort out the out of spec rounds. More expensive ammo doesn't mean small groups. Bad shooting technique is 50% of the problem. Don't blame the ammo. Buy a top tier custom rile. like a Vudoo or Rim X and be proud of your score. Most production rifles are cheap because they don't use good parts and suffer from low QC, they will never be top tier shooter. Pay to play.this is not a cheap hobby.
I switched to Lapua Center-X recently in my RPR .22LR and only afterwards saw this video. I can definitely confirm it is a whole level different from the CCI stuff for competition (still like CCI for plinking). Go with Center-X, you won't regret it (apart from the price, but then it is only .22LR). Good video man.
We use Lapua Center X for Smallbore F Class and it's the Cat's Meow. However, did you clean the barrel between ammo swaps? Different companies use different lubricants and mixing ammo without cleaning your barrel will impact your accuracy. If you reshoot the Lapua Center X the ground would tighten a bit more. Good luck and many Xs in your future.
In any comparison like this, you need to eliminate all possible variables other than the ammunition. Shooting two10-shot groups with a bipod and bag is a measurement of your marksmanship.....and the ammo.....and is not particularly reliable. Five 10-shot groups would be better. A vise bench rest would be best.
Back when CCI standard velocity was cheap, that was a no-brainer. Now that the CCI costs as much as the top shelf stuff, I’m shooting Eley and Lapua (Markup isn’t as bad with the high-end stuff) and not looking back.
Go check out my video “22cal accuracy. Lapua Center-X vs. SK Long Range Match...” with my method I was able to achieve 13/16” at 100 yds. I’m pretty happy with the results.
Like any thing else you pay to play. Comparing cci stuff to Lapua is like comparing a Chevette to Porsche. My Annie shoots Lapua Midias in the .165-.275 ctc. at 50yds. If you want tight groups shoot Lapua or Sk. If you want to make noise go for anything that will still go Pop.
Yeah, I swear a good bit, it’s just who I am, I own it. I appreciate your thoughts. Check out some of my more recent reviews and videos. They are not so “bad”.
Next time shooting ammunition shoot 10 clean barrel fire 10 of a different type ammunition lapua wax is different from cci and if you really want to get done and see how good ammunition is weigh each round mic your rim most rim fire ammunition the rims off by 15-20 thousands that changes the head space
Agreed. The grouping at 100 is not what I expected from this rifle. I own a Savage B22 .22LR (without stock upgrade or anything). Just came back last week from a range. I shot CCI SV at 100, and several times I got 4 or 5 shots in a row with their holes touching each other. I also have a CZ 455 American which basically performs the same with CCI SV at 100.
I noticed that too. I can say I have never seen a bolt action where the bolt moves up after each shot. Is that a safety issue? When I had my MkIIF the bolt never moved like that.
I chuckled too when he said nightforce is nothing fancy, but I will easily put 600-700 in the scope base and rings, not counting a cheap 500 dollar weaver t-36 fixed 36 power scope is the ticket for 500 yards with a 22lr, and a 15 dollar yodave trigger spring that gives me a light 8 oz trigger
I appreciate that. Yeah, that was from a few years back. Lol. Not proud of it, but I’ll own it and say I do my best not to swear any more! Crazy what having kids will make you change! Thanks for the message and make sure to check out our other videos!
Awesome! Thanks! Yeah my outlook is changed a great deal… We all have weaknesses and some bad habits, so I figure you might as well own them, come clean and move on! I sincerely appreciate your support!
Most of the video was watching you shoot from the bench. Would have been a better (shorter) video if you skipped to the groups sooner. Good video otherwise.
@@michaelbritain5546 Match ammo is weird in the sense that you are paying for consistency, not accuracy. You are paying for cartridges that are exact in dimension from round to round. Whether your rifle likes those exact dimensions is hard to say. But i have 22 rifles that just love the bulk cheap stuff and shoot best with a dirty fouled out barrel. And i have other rifles that require top tier ammo for best accuracy as well as cleaning every few hundred rounds for best accuracy. All my 22 rifles have been individualistic in that sense. Personally, my rifles that shoot the cheap stuff well are usually what i shoot most often.
@@TheGarnerjustin73 my Marlin groups best with CCI Standard, but doesn't like the Aguila standard, yet my BRNO loves the stuff, I can't justify £20 For Eley Tennex that doesn't shoot any better in my rifles, shot many thousands of rounds testing a box of 500 for each rifle, sometimes the cheapest works, thanks for the reply.
Bud, if you're getting terrible results with CCI Standard, maybe do some reading up or take a class on how to shoot with a bi-pod. You're doing it wrong.
You should have shot the CCI 1st at both distance and shot atleast 20 rounds of the Center X before shooting groups. My experience with my Savage Mark II and other rimfire rifles is that the difference in lube will make them shoot a little wonky until the barrel is seasoned with the new lube. Lapua/SK is an oily lube where CCI is a waxy lube.
Yep, I ended up doing another video later with this application, keeping track of each grouping every 5 rounds. The video is post on my page and I believe the best grouping was around 3/4”. Thanks for the comment.
I like shooting 300-500 yards with my 22. Im happy shooting minute of gong at distance is m.o.g. a word???
Ha, it’s going to be as of today!
The trigger control was not as deliberate as necessary for shooting excellent groups. Also, the bolt handle jerked upon firing pin drop, indicating a problem with consistent ignition. Also, a bipod is not as accurate to shoot groups as having front and rear bags, due to slight inconsistencies.
True. But it all works for me!
I have found that the gun shoots best with SK Longe Range Match. The best 100 yard group I was able to produce so far is .81” (13/16). I don’t shoot bench matches but am thinking of getting into it.
Do you mind me asking what ammo you shoot?
I’v been looking for new rounds to continue to compare and see what shoots best for the gun.
@@ONeillOutdoors My best BR rifle liked RWS R50, but if you're really into shooting benchrest, you sample several LOT#s and buy as much as you can afford of the one that shoots best in your rifle. The last time I did that, none of the best three lots were available three days or so later. I decided it was about time to get out of the game!!!
A quote from the famous Wyatt Earp
Speed is fine but accuracy is everything
Slow down take your time with every shot
As others have said shooting different brands back to back without clearing out the lubricant from the previous brand doesn't tell you much. I must have missed any notations on wind conditions. It looks like both brands are stringing from 11 o'clock to 5 o'clock telling me the barrel harmonics are not matched to either brand. The way that rifle rocks on that bipod I'm impressed he could get close to groups like that. Who knows what either brand would do with a properly tuned barrel.
Thanks.
Best group so far (@ 100yds) out of the factory rifle is 13/16 from Sk Long Range Match!
Check it out, It’s in my other videos!
How to tighten up that MOA: I have shot SK 22lr for 5 years (currently SK Long Range) with consistent sub MOA results. I have shot Lapua Center X also with the same results as with the SK. The ONLY way that I have improved upon the MOA of the aforementioned brands is by using a Neil Waltz 22lr resizing die. The tool ensures a consistent 0.225 in. diameter driving ring for 360 degrees. I relate the positive effect of the die to a good rile crown; a damaged crown will open up the MOA. An uneven driving ring will accomplish the same effect as a damaged crown. I shoot consistent 100 yd. sub -MOA's (no wind).
Exactly, the the Waltz die works. After resizing more than 15k rds & using a chronograph to obtain the FPS . Group sizes decrease because the SD / ES are moved into the single digit numbers. Good crimping size = consistent case pressure.= small ES. To test ammo you need to know the FPS ES & SD, if you don't know you are wasting time & money. You must know the environmental and what the barrel dynamics to see how much of the ammo is out of tolerance. The better brands of ammo cost more because more quality control measurements are used to sort out the out of spec rounds. More expensive ammo doesn't mean small groups. Bad shooting technique is 50% of the problem. Don't blame the ammo. Buy a top tier custom rile. like a Vudoo or Rim X and be proud of your score. Most production rifles are cheap because they don't use good parts and suffer from low QC, they will never be top tier shooter. Pay to play.this is not a cheap hobby.
Thanks man... nice equipment btw!
I switched to Lapua Center-X recently in my RPR .22LR and only afterwards saw this video. I can definitely confirm it is a whole level different from the CCI stuff for competition (still like CCI for plinking). Go with Center-X, you won't regret it (apart from the price, but then it is only .22LR). Good video man.
Awesome! Thanks!
lapua pistol is even tighter out of my rpr.
Lapua ammo seems to be something akin a supernatural ghost.
We use Lapua Center X for Smallbore F Class and it's the Cat's Meow.
However, did you clean the barrel between ammo swaps?
Different companies use different lubricants and mixing ammo without cleaning your barrel will impact your accuracy.
If you reshoot the Lapua Center X the ground would tighten a bit more.
Good luck and many Xs in your future.
Great info! I’ll have to give it another go around. I appreciate the info!
Haha good video. Liked your commentary.
In any comparison like this, you need to eliminate all possible variables other than the ammunition. Shooting two10-shot groups with a bipod and bag is a measurement of your marksmanship.....and the ammo.....and is not particularly reliable. Five 10-shot groups would be better. A vise bench rest would be best.
Is that a Boyd"s Tacticool stock?
Back when CCI standard velocity was cheap, that was a no-brainer. Now that the CCI costs as much as the top shelf stuff, I’m shooting Eley and Lapua (Markup isn’t as bad with the high-end stuff) and not looking back.
Totally agree!
My Mark II never complained about the Simmons 4x32 scope it has
Is that the stock barrel that came on that savage and do you use it for competition? Good review by the way I subbed!!
It is the factory barrel.
I shoot for fun and practice!
I would love to shoot in comps, but there’s not much of that out there we live now.
i shoot the cci subsonic thru my Ruger American 22 lr, so far so good
Interesting video.
Thanks for doing it.
Ummm, just one question...
Why so angry at the end?!?
😄😄😄
Haha it was a joke to the guys at the local range, nothing serious!
"let the barrel cool off"? the warmer a rimfire gets the better it will shoot
Go check out my video “22cal accuracy. Lapua Center-X vs. SK Long Range Match...” with my method I was able to achieve 13/16” at 100 yds. I’m pretty happy with the results.
@@ONeillOutdoors but nowhere near that on this video ?
Like any thing else you pay to play. Comparing cci stuff to Lapua is like comparing a Chevette to Porsche. My Annie shoots Lapua Midias in the .165-.275 ctc. at 50yds. If you want tight groups shoot Lapua or Sk. If you want to make noise go for anything that will still go Pop.
Just posted, CCI Standard in my Marlin will out group Eley Tennex, Lapua Centre X or SK match everytime, don't blame the ammo blame your barrel.
The bolt moves on that gun when you shoot
Yeah. Still I achieved 13/16” in another video... that’s good enough for me anyway! Thanks fir watching.
@@ONeillOutdoors can’t argue with the results!
Very serious mouth on you guy.
Yeah, I swear a good bit, it’s just who I am, I own it.
I appreciate your thoughts.
Check out some of my more recent reviews and videos. They are not so “bad”.
Next time shooting ammunition shoot 10 clean barrel fire 10 of a different type ammunition lapua wax is different from cci and if you really want to get done and see how good ammunition is weigh each round mic your rim most rim fire ammunition the rims off by 15-20 thousands that changes the head space
Your 35 yard groups were respectable, not your 100. Scope parallax problem? The disparity points at something other than hardware quality.
Agreed. The grouping at 100 is not what I expected from this rifle. I own a Savage B22 .22LR (without stock upgrade or anything). Just came back last week from a range. I shot CCI SV at 100, and several times I got 4 or 5 shots in a row with their holes touching each other. I also have a CZ 455 American which basically performs the same with CCI SV at 100.
Try the Eley with wax coated bullets.
My model 60 1/4 inch groups cci standard nuf said
bolt is rotating up as shot is fired fix that . :)
I noticed that too. I can say I have never seen a bolt action where the bolt moves up after each shot. Is that a safety issue? When I had my MkIIF the bolt never moved like that.
NightForce SHV "nothing fancy"? That's a $1,000 scope. I guess that's low-end for competition.
1000 is not a lot for a scope
Was thinking the same thing lol
I chuckled too when he said nightforce is nothing fancy, but I will easily put 600-700 in the scope base and rings, not counting a cheap 500 dollar weaver t-36 fixed 36 power scope is the ticket for 500 yards with a 22lr, and a 15 dollar yodave trigger spring that gives me a light 8 oz trigger
Did you hear that space ship?
Bleep bloop
There is a Natural gas plant and storage tanks a ways away. They play loud sounds ever few min to keep birds away, your not going crazy. Lol.
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Great info and shooting. Language not so much.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, that was from a few years back. Lol. Not proud of it, but I’ll own it and say I do my best not to swear any more! Crazy what having kids will make you change!
Thanks for the message and make sure to check out our other videos!
@@ONeillOutdoors thanks. As a result of your response, I am now a sub.👍
Awesome! Thanks! Yeah my outlook is changed a great deal… We all have weaknesses and some bad habits, so I figure you might as well own them, come clean and move on!
I sincerely appreciate your support!
🇫🇮👍Lapua
Most of the video was watching you shoot from the bench. Would have been a better (shorter) video if you skipped to the groups sooner. Good video otherwise.
Thanks! I’m about to start recording more .22 accuracy videos.
I’ll make sure I make some changes. Thanks for the feedback!
Well, its always held true that you get what you pay for.
Not so with Eley Tennex, at least not in my rifles, CCI standards will out group the Eley everytime...
@@michaelbritain5546 Match ammo is weird in the sense that you are paying for consistency, not accuracy. You are paying for cartridges that are exact in dimension from round to round. Whether your rifle likes those exact dimensions is hard to say. But i have 22 rifles that just love the bulk cheap stuff and shoot best with a dirty fouled out barrel. And i have other rifles that require top tier ammo for best accuracy as well as cleaning every few hundred rounds for best accuracy. All my 22 rifles have been individualistic in that sense. Personally, my rifles that shoot the cheap stuff well are usually what i shoot most often.
@@TheGarnerjustin73 my Marlin groups best with CCI Standard, but doesn't like the Aguila standard, yet my BRNO loves the stuff, I can't justify £20 For Eley Tennex that doesn't shoot any better in my rifles, shot many thousands of rounds testing a box of 500 for each rifle, sometimes the cheapest works, thanks for the reply.
Bud, if you're getting terrible results with CCI Standard, maybe do some reading up or take a class on how to shoot with a bi-pod. You're doing it wrong.
Wish he'd compete against me in next benchrest comp, be easiest day I've ever had.🤣🤣🤣🤣