Scarlet Nexus can have a learning curve once you have more party members and abilities. Once you have the feel for them, it's actually wonderful and stupid fun to play. But it can be frustrating if you're on that curve of learning how/when to best utilize things and timings and such. IMO it's worth taking the time because yeah, it is absolutely ridiculous fun when you're in the flow as intended
ditto this is one of my favorite realtime action battle systems ever in a game, alongside nier automata. it did take some practice, but it was worth it. and i'm not that great at action games.
You can grind in Monark. You can repeat past levels or do levels specific for equipment, you can find the "phone numbers" for these levels exploring the school. Do a few levels before starting a new chapter and your new characters will be close to caught up in no time.
The hardest modern JRPG I've played, if we're not counting Nocturne HD or Etrian Odyssey Nexus (which I think may have come out over 5 years ago), is Mary Skelter 2. It's just slightly easier than EO. I still haven't beat it yet.
I never really found nocturne hard, all you really have to do is sukakuja and sukunda and then press the rush button but idk if its just easier in the hd remaster bc I didn’t really struggle even on bosses like mot, the only boss I couldn’t beat was Lucifer on hard even with raidou on my team dude was tanking all of my damage💀
I played through Persona Q2 on Safety difficulty, I died so many times during the final boss but Safety mode lets you respawn without losing any progress. I have no regrets!
Most of Octopath Traveler wasn't really that hard. I find that when people complain about the lengthiness of the battles, it's because they didn't really understand the break system and tried to brute force it. I could tear through most regular battles in 2-3 rounds, and bosses in around 8-10 rounds, which feels "normal" for a turn-based RPG. The one thing that was truly difficult was the true last boss, who was also essentially the game's super bonus boss: In order to combat it, you had to have a very, very specific set-up with your characters. A set-up that was fine for the rest of the game could find itself hitting a brick wall right at the end, and that was poor design.
Yeah i was super surprised when i saw Ericks review awhile back where he said it was hard. I breezed through the game and even held my own against the superboss until the second phase. Having to use each party member threw me for a loop cuz, as usual i hadnt prepared at all. Maybe it was easy cause i started as Cyrus and could abuse the break system for aoe elemental spells?
Agreed didn't even grind at all for whole game. Only time when I had to do actual grind for exp and levels when I was done with all story quests for characters and wanted to tackle secret boss of the game. And let's be honest almost all games with Jobs and Classes usually demand you to be keen with what you doing with them and "breaking game" with said combination considered as part of game design. Usually what I find when people complain about grinding demands are the same people that try to brute force not only weakness system, but also people who trying to clear one story line at time which is major mistake and should be easy to notice with level recommendations.
I am shocked to see you include scarlet nexus here *Even as someone who usually hates and doesn't play many action rpgs* on hard mode, I found the game pretty easy and the hypervelocity/duplication sas are absoluetly busted Astral chain was more difficult personally
Yeah my thoughts exactly. The combo invisibility + Duplication (+ Hypervelocity) was so broken, It made the game cheese. I also found Astral Chain way harder especially while trying to max rank every files, but that was such a good game. Hoping for a second one !
Yeah why the hell Scarlet Nexus is even here? It has the perfect difficulty on normal. Even the "hard" boss he complanied about is not hard, just poorly designed.
Astral Chain felt super weird with the controls for a while for me. But once I got used to it and it stopped being so awkward feeling to me, I found it was loads of fun.
I actually didn’t think Octopath Traveler was that hard. I do agree the bosses have crazy health pools but with good healing management you can outlast them. I always thought the game actually played like a resource management game. Like, you have to manage and plan your attacks and healing several moves in advance. I did do a lot of grinding and exploring so I was always overleveled for the storyline enemies. Maybe that’s why I didn’t think it was that hard. Some of those side bosses are nasty though. I probably spent 10 hours on the Devourer of Men and never did manage to beat it.
It's interesting when people try to convince someone else that a game they think is hard, isn't hard. Makes it really easy to tell the kinds of people that think their personal interaction with the world is the same as everyone else's. Even in non-difficult games you can hit a brick wall that may be a quit-moment for only a casual fan of the game. Cool video, cool channel.
What I like about Scarlet Nexus is that side quests force you to learn how to use your and your party members' abilities and when you learned it fun and pretty easy to play.
Like some dungeon crawlers who have some super cheap traps which almost guarantee that you will lose. I think it was in baroque for ps1 some traps straight up removed your equipment and enemies had attacks which permanently downgraded your weapons and armor.
Shiva on Shin Megami Tensei 5, was the hardest JRPG Boss that I ever confronted. But it was a super fun battle, with great soundtrack, and very strategic.
Seriously, i totally agree with your point on Monark, i'm really want to like it, but the grind is real in this game. I already beat 2 out of 4 character routes (Shinya and best girl Kokoro, also this game OST absolute banger), but I can't, for the live of me, beat the other 2 routes, maybe some other time I'll try to beat it, but not anytime soon.
I finished the game including the secret and I agree that the game is not exactly hard, but really grindy. I had to resort to exploiting the lust fiend alongside a buffer just to one shot the entire map to grind faster.
While I understand the complaint about the difficulty in Octopath, I feel this sentiment is caused by player refusal to follow the primary instruction provided eponymously by the devs on the game box/store page, in the game selection, and at the title screen lol I suppose it could be interpreted as traveling along one of 8 paths, but I think it's fair to say that the intention was for players to travel along all 8 paths all the way to the end, which allows for plenty of encounters without any need for grinding, since by the time you complete all 8 prologues you're ready for the act 1 content, and by the time you're done with all of the act 1 content you're ready for the next, and so on 🙂 There's definitely challenging optional content, and the final boss for whoever the player chose as their protagonist makes the final bosses for the other 7 characters look like paper mache in comparison, but other than those exceptions the difficulty is quite fair for players who didn't choose to focus on a single character's route as soon as they finished collecting the other 7 characters 🙂 The major failing by the devs was in not writing route specific interactions with the other characters as the story progressed, making each feel like they were just tagging along with the others for no conceivable reason, which I think is the main reason that so many players forego playing through the acts fully since the other characters don't give you a reason to want to continue their stories while you're doing another character's story mission.
i can vouch for that, while i haven't played it myself, i do know someone who beat the game 100% with only grinding for some optional content, i definitely think the idea is to do the content in order of recommended level which will even out to all chapter ones than 2s and so on, as well as rotating the party so that characters are strong enough for their chapters.
YES!!! THIS!! jesus dude how many ppl out there didnt got this?!?!?! Im actually AVOIDING fights left and right because Im AAAALLL the time overpowered, the only challenge is sometimes some bosses, and I havent grind FOR ONE MINUTE!!! just learn how to play the game FFS... people man... SMH....
I platinumed saga frontier, I thought the combat had was fun at times, the story seemed proper lack luster, almost as if it was made in the 80's. The game consists of 8 separate short stories that barely link with each other, in the respects that I don't feel like anyone shares they others journey what so ever.
Scarlet nexus is suprisingly amazing! I didn't like it at the beginning bc. Of its presentation and the lack of animated cutscenes. But you get so much depth thanks to that, since with that they filled the game to the max with dialogue.
I always forget how gorgeous and badass persona q 2 is and then I see more gameplay. I really hope we haven’t seen the last of the Etrian developers. I love their style
I was expecting Resonance of Fate in you list since you talked about it's difficulty before! The game is pretty brutal even if you get how the combat works!
That is so far the only game I have dropped because I couldn't get how the combat worked in the slightest. I was missing something. Or many somethings. Kept meaning to try it again but every time I consider it, I nope.
I was gonna mention it but it came out a long time ago although the Remaster came out in 2018 so.... but YES learning curve is massive and it is extremely difficult especially since scratch damage must be done first for the most part. And alot of people didn't really know about ROF till the Remaster.
I can understand Etrian Odyssey coming out as hard as people perceived it to be. But that is actually because the game punishes you for cheaping out. There are monsters that will absolutely catch you off guard if you drag the battle too long because you think MP is low, don't use MP items, I'll just hit normally and BAM 2 characters are dead, and before you can get back on your feet, next turn 1 more is dead, along with the 2 guys you just resurrected. Running away sometimes works, but the odds are very slim once you're the one being cornered. There are also enemies that you have to nuke asap if you encounter them with a certain other monster, but you won't know this usually if you are new to the area, which means you're either slightly underleveled, or on par with them. The damage you sustain will most likely be lethal in this case. The bosses are also long AF (unless you're playing the absolute meta party comp), proceeding cautiously, only to get wrecked by RNG (your healer died to a random hit, or your tank died to a crit). There are also bosses IIRC, you have to be absolutely prepared before crossing a certain hp threshold, deal damage too fast, or cross it unprepared, it's a nearly guaranteed wipe
This made me think of my playthroughs of Cold Steel 3 and 4 with Soft's mod, nightmare 1st run (not on NG+). I think Aurelia (in CS4) took me about 3 hours to beat. Bosses don't telegraph their S-crafts in the mod, and 1-hit Hades/Domination builds will get you nowhere fast (they were OP in the vanilla game).
Ive platinumed Monark and it was absolute easy. Little bit Grindy specially around the End but the first 90% of the Game were just a Cakewalk. Beated nearly every Boss within 3-4 Turns. When you get a New Party Member just relearn the Skills from a older Member and use the Points on the Newer one. Or Check for the Phonenumbers and sell useless Gear for your Vessels.
I think its important to make a distinction between Hard but fair vs Hard but cheap. When talking about why a game is hard. Some stuff is hard because it has a learning curve, while some is hard simply because the devs put in instant death cheap shots or HP sponges that use up all your energy and gear.
I agreed with Octopath Traveler, it's a game that depend a lot on level grinding. But i can finished (It's took me a year) with My characters on level 80.
I just got thru the first boss in Monark and it feels like I'm always underleveled. I even do all the side missions and keep lots of recovery items on.
I agree about SMT V, especially on hard mode and if you attempt to fight the Demi-Fiend on that difficulty setting. You're in for a brutal ass-kicking until you figure out his scripted actions and how to work around them. If you had allowed ports on here, then the Nocturne remaster should be mentioned as well. While the remaster does make the game easier in that it allows you to manually pick the skills you want your demons to keep during fusion instead of them being randomly generated and the bug that caused the boss Mot to spam Beast Eye to an absurd degree has been fixed, it's still one of the hardest SMT games, especially on hard mode and if you are going the route for the True Demon Ending. The final boss on that route is insane if you haven't build a party specifically to counter all of his strengths, especially on hard mode.
I feel like smt games are among the easier ones if you experienced at least one of the games before. My first playthrough of smt 4 was brutal. Since then i went back and played all the other mainline games and honestly they felt not too bad. You have to figure out which skills are good and how to fuse properly and you start to steamroll through these games.
Persona Q2 was the first Persona game I ever played, and also the first MegaTen game in general. And goddamn dude, I played on Normal Mode the entire time, but it felt like I was playing Hard Mode with how much I kept dying and having to leave the Labyrinths to heal. I don’t even wanna imagine what Risky is like. I knew MegaTen games are known for their difficulty, but Normal Mode being Hard as hell is like playing Devil May Cry.
I'm trying not to buy Monark (switch) because in Brazil it costs around US$70.00. But every time I see something I get more excited. Anyway, great job!
Definitely sharing the shock of how rough Kamoshidaman is. His initial phase is simple but the 2nd rivals the power of the FOEs in his world, while Yosukesaurus is even worse. It seems to be a common trend for Persona games where the early game is hellish but after the midpoint things calm down because you've gotten all the good buff/debuff and heal skills. I beat Q2's final boss and the Reaper on the first try, easily. Another annoying trend is with Disgaea where each sequel is tougher and needs more grind to survive. I've been afraid to look and see if the 6th game continued this.
While i agree that Octopath Traveler is a hard game. It is also a very fair game. If you are well prepared for battle you will be fine. The game does advises what level you should be before starting a new chapter. You will know how much you need to level up and prepare always with so many potions.
Your review/opinion/whatever really reminded me of Icarus - Sanctuary of the gods (I think the name was Droyan in Germany). You got quite a few party members, but by the time you had like 4 or 5 you never had enough money to even equip them which resulted in damage in the single digits for you. It's one of those games that I really want to like, but it's just completely broken.
My hardest rpg would be trails of cold steel 2. My damage never really got better but the enemies got more and more hp. Add enemies hitting for a 3rd of a character's hp and normal enemies being spaced out through maps in a way that you have to go look for them, and you got a hard time leveling up...
You probably never experimented with Quartz and pieces... My Laura could easily top 100k damage, Rean about 80-90k, Fie or Sara as evasion tank (Fie is easier due to natural evasion) and no one can hit you (only with AoE). And that's on first play on normal by the end of the game. On Nightmare it was more like 1 round kill for all the bosses with exeption for the few.
I have played over half the games mentioned Scarlet Nexus: I agree wholeheartedly Etrian Odyssey: My damn jam Dragon Marked for Death: Witch main (Witch is God) I need to try mp (Ninja = easy mode) Octopath Traveler: Level grinding sucks, yes. Tanky regular enemies and Super Bosses, YES Code Vein: Really fun if you're playing with a friend Monark: Jesus Christ the combat and skill point system Metal Max Xeno: going to get it and play it
I am actually playing dragon marked for death right now. I thought something seemed a bit off about it and you just confirmed my suspicions. Still quite fun though
My 2 cents on some games here, for what it's worth : - I found Scarlet Nexus very easy. Except for some design flaws and some diff. spikes, you can quickly understand how to cheese everything with a couple of ability combos. An extremely fun game though, hoping for a second one. - I do not remember finding Octopath to be very hard. There were ways to become pretty OP quite early and grinding was not that hard as far as I recall. Might have to double-check and replay it. - SMT V was not hard Imo except for the first boss. The rest was trial and error. You craft a fitting persona and then you can make each boss a cake walk. Here are some games that gave me a small challenge : - FF7R had brutal boss battles for most of my first playthrough. Even with a good setup and a better understanding of the system, hard playthrough was also challenging - Valkyria Chronicles 4. But every VC game is hard - Astral Chain had some challenge in it as well. - Astria Ascending was hard up to a certain point, then it becomes a cinch. That's mostly due to how bad the designers balanced the game
Cool shirt, btw. Love this list. Scarlet Nexus is the only one of these I even own. I’m too old and too time-restricted to play many hard games any more. This list tells me what to avoid for my own maximum enjoyment. Thanks!
actually just finished code vein and i wouldn't say its that hard, but its definitely frustrating in the ways you describe. its systems are at odds with itself at times. it's built around you being able to mix and match blood codes, weapons and gifts encourage experimentation but then throws in dumb restrictions. I hope it gets a sequel and they get another shot at it. its still a great game though.
With the right combination of skills Scarlet Nexus was super easy, so I can see why there are some spikes there - they made a game where you're effectively a walking environmental hazard to the enemies and if exploited correctly you just crush everything
I don't have problem with games that requires dodging like Scarlet Nexus and Code Vein since I play games that require perfect dodging but I have to agree with Monark. Levelling in that game is a pain in the ass that's why I dropped it a few days after playing since there is only one instance per chapter where you can repeatedly enter, it's fine in the first few levels but after that, you will see the exp requirements skyrocket off the roof from a few hundreds to thousands and you get more or less 500 exp per run and that's on S in the early game. Getting an S is annoying since it requires multiple actions to be done just to get an S rank, if any of your party members die or you exceeded the number of turns (most of them should be done in 2-4 turns max), your points will be deducted. and oh boy, they will die.
IMO I think you would like Dragon Quest XI. keep in mind that 95% of all Jrpg's require you to stay and fight in one local area for awhile before going forward in the stories.
I just platinumed Code Vein, it isn't that bad once you figure out all the bosses. I used the same blood code the entire game Atlas with the Oni Bane weapon just demolishing everybody's health. The worst part is getting all the medals! That was so grindy, problem was barely anyone plays online.
Im glad i checked this video i found an interesting game that i want to play God wars due to utawarerumono gameplay it makes me wanna play more of these types of games doesnt matter the difficulty will make it through all the waaaay
Honkai star rail is the HARDEST turn based game to date! After I beat SMT 5 completely, I been keeping close eye on it and since Day 1 it’s a thrilling challenge!
"Persona Q2 is difficult" I admit, it can be rough and definitely requires you to understand how the battle system works; but damn...that music is amazing...
Again a missed opportunity to plug the great underrated gem that is Natural Doctrine. A hard unknown and misunderstood game 😔. ( Though it's older than 5 years... )
octopath traveler is indeed a grind fest. I have noticed a trend lately with square enyx. Alot of their stuff lately has the dreaded words "difficultly spike"
I tend to play jrpgs on easy first time, if there's extra content or I love the game I'll play on the hardest setting on new game plus, SMT is a odd one for me while I do love how easy you can break the game I don't think it'd be able to get far on hard on a fresh save
Really? I felt “SMT V” was the easiest yet! Soooooo easy to break the game! Especially with Magatsuhi with dampening items and using essences to get rid of weaknesses… Any “SMT” veteran should plow through easily. (Especially using Spyglasses). And Hama and Mudo aren’t instant death either. AND you can instantly teleport to a save point to save & heal! I mean, I like it, but it’s the cake walk of “SMT” games.
Went blind on Hard mode... Died couple of times on first boss, rest of the game (including one dancing motherfucker) was a breeze. Looks like lack of skill to me.
SMT V is just hard if you're ever underleved for a boss. Because despite what people say, you do indeed need to grind in that game. I had trouble on a miniboss despite having a perfect team to fight him, because he was five levels above me. I would've plowed through him otherwise.
@@ltb1345 This was my first SMT game, and it was apparent to me that the developers went out of their way to make grinding a waste of time. I feel bad that you spent time grinding when there are way too many levels available from fusion, grimoires, and the luck skill that certain demon types have. Grinding a demon in SMT V is impossible because the experience per level goes up exponentially.
On mistover, you forgot the areas are lv restricted, after a member gets too strong, he cant join an expedition on that area anymore... so multiples characters to keep exploring.
Hardest jrpg I've played in the last 5 years is probably code vein. I'm not good at dark souls but code vein I eventually got good at it. But let me tell you the cathedral level damn near made me break my controller in half, with the sheer amount of crap you have to put up with, to get through it. Still it's a good game just was brutal for me to get through .
Out of all the games in the list, personally I found any Dungeon Crawler games such as Etrian Odyssey to be challenging. Code Vein is to be expected since its basically Dark Souls waifu edition. I just recently finished Monark, but not sure if I found it "difficult", or maybe I just was too overleveled, that's why I found most of the enemies and bosses in Monark to be relatively easy 😅😅
how unfortunate I was eying down the last two games on this list but I'm really not a fan extremely difficult jrpg's hopefully you do indepth review on them.
Darkest Dungeon is literally what you're asking for and Eric doesn't understand its magnificent magic. 2D style JRPG in a modern twist of dark and sick horror....
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd I kind of understand Eric mentality as I also not fan of permadeath. But I do agree Eric sometimes have many own rules like and dislike that only make sense for himself.
It's not THAT hard but it takes a good grind fest to move forward from one area to the next. The monsters almost triple in hp/dmg output so you need to stay close to rest areas with inns if you want to grind faster in tougher areas than your lv.
Wait you thought metal max: reborn was hard??? I had no issues with it since the game continuously gives you items you can use to upgrade yourself with!
I have beaten SMT V on hard. But it didn't feel THAT hard. There are some spikes in difficulty, but nothing a newcomer couldn't handle. I saw you footage against Ishtar, you did ignore her machines, which makes her way harder than needed. You got me interested in Octopath Traveler though.
...don't mean to sound pretentious but I had a pretty easy time with q2 wasn't able to beat it though because I lost my save data but I was able to get up to the very start of a.i.g.i.s
Scarlet nexus is an amazing game that most people won't play since the battles are so bad. You can easily get wiped on a random encounter if you get one bad dodge. Kinda sad. I get dark souls has a crazy fanaticly following of a few people, but that doesn't mean that every game should be so unforgiving where one bad dodge leads to a game over. I don't want them to make elden ring easier, i also don't want all the jrpgs to be like dark souls.
with the mad max game it is very easy to brake the game. find an engine any of the engines upgrade it to max than sell it. it should give you enough money to rebuy that same one but with a little extra keep doing this until you get the best stuff and just steam roll most bosses when you get a second member do the same (since you have unlimited money) this way i think you can beat the last boss early.
Darkest Dungeon is amazing, you're so wrong. But it's your opinion. Suikoden 1/2, Final Fantassy VI, Chrono Trigger, Lufia II, BoF II... Still the best ones ever, but DD is among the best modern and toughest ones.
Thank you I wanted to like Monark soooooo bad. It’s just annoyingly hard for like no reason and it was just like I was under leveled the entire time and just like wtf….over it so bad I had to return the game
Metal Max Xeno Reborn isn't hard at all. I really don't now what your talking about the tank controlls are very basic and easy to understand. Bosses that seem overpowered are a thing but only if you're not into grinding a lot. The same thing about Scarlet Nexus grinding and understanding the mechanics of this game makes it a breeze to play and it's not really hard except maybe for the final boss but that is debatable.
I’m really surprised about all of these comments on Q2. Kamoshidaman is a bit of a difficulty spike, but the rest of the game is a joke, especially when you get the rest of the party members *cough* Aigis.
God I hate RPGs with convoluted equipment systems. They can sometimes ruin some of the enjoyment of an otherwise great game. Case and point: Tales of Berseria.
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00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Number 10
02:21 - Number 9
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And the game name of the character of tumbnail?
That's Monark
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Thanks. Appreciated the non spoiler "number"
Well calling soul like a jrpg...
Code veil are quite easy actually
Scarlet Nexus can have a learning curve once you have more party members and abilities. Once you have the feel for them, it's actually wonderful and stupid fun to play. But it can be frustrating if you're on that curve of learning how/when to best utilize things and timings and such. IMO it's worth taking the time because yeah, it is absolutely ridiculous fun when you're in the flow as intended
I was gonna comment but you said it for me xD
ditto this is one of my favorite realtime action battle systems ever in a game, alongside nier automata. it did take some practice, but it was worth it. and i'm not that great at action games.
Loved Scarlet Nexus too much too ♥
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You can grind in Monark. You can repeat past levels or do levels specific for equipment, you can find the "phone numbers" for these levels exploring the school. Do a few levels before starting a new chapter and your new characters will be close to caught up in no time.
The hardest modern JRPG I've played, if we're not counting Nocturne HD or Etrian Odyssey Nexus (which I think may have come out over 5 years ago), is Mary Skelter 2. It's just slightly easier than EO. I still haven't beat it yet.
I never really found nocturne hard, all you really have to do is sukakuja and sukunda and then press the rush button but idk if its just easier in the hd remaster bc I didn’t really struggle even on bosses like mot, the only boss I couldn’t beat was Lucifer on hard even with raidou on my team dude was tanking all of my damage💀
Nexus is pretty savage 😅
@@PunchinBag01 I played the HD remaster and youre right, sukukaja had me dodging everything. Still had a tough time with Mot, White Rider and Lucifer
Eo Nexus is awesome.
I still can't get through 1 floor of the last dungon in DARKEST DUNGEON,. It'S the toughest, period.
I played through Persona Q2 on Safety difficulty, I died so many times during the final boss but Safety mode lets you respawn without losing any progress. I have no regrets!
Most of Octopath Traveler wasn't really that hard. I find that when people complain about the lengthiness of the battles, it's because they didn't really understand the break system and tried to brute force it. I could tear through most regular battles in 2-3 rounds, and bosses in around 8-10 rounds, which feels "normal" for a turn-based RPG. The one thing that was truly difficult was the true last boss, who was also essentially the game's super bonus boss: In order to combat it, you had to have a very, very specific set-up with your characters. A set-up that was fine for the rest of the game could find itself hitting a brick wall right at the end, and that was poor design.
Double axe is deliciously good to break the last boss. Pair with the hunter skill of attacking again and extra turn and gets way easier.
Yeah i was super surprised when i saw Ericks review awhile back where he said it was hard. I breezed through the game and even held my own against the superboss until the second phase. Having to use each party member threw me for a loop cuz, as usual i hadnt prepared at all.
Maybe it was easy cause i started as Cyrus and could abuse the break system for aoe elemental spells?
I didnt find it hard at all until the 4 post game advanced class bosses, which seems more of a exaxt party setup thing than anything.
@@Ghalion666 You can actually take on the advanced class bosses before starting anyone's chapter 4, no need to wait for postgame.
Agreed didn't even grind at all for whole game. Only time when I had to do actual grind for exp and levels when I was done with all story quests for characters and wanted to tackle secret boss of the game. And let's be honest almost all games with Jobs and Classes usually demand you to be keen with what you doing with them and "breaking game" with said combination considered as part of game design.
Usually what I find when people complain about grinding demands are the same people that try to brute force not only weakness system, but also people who trying to clear one story line at time which is major mistake and should be easy to notice with level recommendations.
I am shocked to see you include scarlet nexus here
*Even as someone who usually hates and doesn't play many action rpgs* on hard mode, I found the game pretty easy and the hypervelocity/duplication sas are absoluetly busted
Astral chain was more difficult personally
Yeah my thoughts exactly. The combo invisibility + Duplication (+ Hypervelocity) was so broken, It made the game cheese.
I also found Astral Chain way harder especially while trying to max rank every files, but that was such a good game. Hoping for a second one !
Yeah why the hell Scarlet Nexus is even here? It has the perfect difficulty on normal. Even the "hard" boss he complanied about is not hard, just poorly designed.
Astral Chain felt super weird with the controls for a while for me. But once I got used to it and it stopped being so awkward feeling to me, I found it was loads of fun.
Yeah. The endgame is atrociously easy since you can abuse the sas of Yuito,Kasane,Kyoka and Arashi. Weird how he chose Scarlet and not Tales of Arise.
Erick is known to be bad at action RPGs, so it's not a shock he listed Scarlet Nexus here.
I actually didn’t think Octopath Traveler was that hard. I do agree the bosses have crazy health pools but with good healing management you can outlast them. I always thought the game actually played like a resource management game. Like, you have to manage and plan your attacks and healing several moves in advance.
I did do a lot of grinding and exploring so I was always overleveled for the storyline enemies. Maybe that’s why I didn’t think it was that hard. Some of those side bosses are nasty though. I probably spent 10 hours on the Devourer of Men and never did manage to beat it.
started watch this and thought, he better have SMT 5 on here, and you did! great video my friend, some really under the radar games too!
It's interesting when people try to convince someone else that a game they think is hard, isn't hard. Makes it really easy to tell the kinds of people that think their personal interaction with the world is the same as everyone else's. Even in non-difficult games you can hit a brick wall that may be a quit-moment for only a casual fan of the game.
Cool video, cool channel.
What I like about Scarlet Nexus is that side quests force you to learn how to use your and your party members' abilities and when you learned it fun and pretty easy to play.
Like some dungeon crawlers who have some super cheap traps which almost guarantee that you will lose.
I think it was in baroque for ps1 some traps straight up removed your equipment and enemies had attacks which permanently downgraded your weapons and armor.
Shiva on Shin Megami Tensei 5, was the hardest JRPG Boss that I ever confronted. But it was a super fun battle, with great soundtrack, and very strategic.
Seriously, i totally agree with your point on Monark, i'm really want to like it, but the grind is real in this game. I already beat 2 out of 4 character routes (Shinya and best girl Kokoro, also this game OST absolute banger), but I can't, for the live of me, beat the other 2 routes, maybe some other time I'll try to beat it, but not anytime soon.
I finished the game including the secret and I agree that the game is not exactly hard, but really grindy. I had to resort to exploiting the lust fiend alongside a buffer just to one shot the entire map to grind faster.
While I understand the complaint about the difficulty in Octopath, I feel this sentiment is caused by player refusal to follow the primary instruction provided eponymously by the devs on the game box/store page, in the game selection, and at the title screen lol
I suppose it could be interpreted as traveling along one of 8 paths, but I think it's fair to say that the intention was for players to travel along all 8 paths all the way to the end, which allows for plenty of encounters without any need for grinding, since by the time you complete all 8 prologues you're ready for the act 1 content, and by the time you're done with all of the act 1 content you're ready for the next, and so on 🙂
There's definitely challenging optional content, and the final boss for whoever the player chose as their protagonist makes the final bosses for the other 7 characters look like paper mache in comparison, but other than those exceptions the difficulty is quite fair for players who didn't choose to focus on a single character's route as soon as they finished collecting the other 7 characters 🙂
The major failing by the devs was in not writing route specific interactions with the other characters as the story progressed, making each feel like they were just tagging along with the others for no conceivable reason, which I think is the main reason that so many players forego playing through the acts fully since the other characters don't give you a reason to want to continue their stories while you're doing another character's story mission.
i can vouch for that, while i haven't played it myself, i do know someone who beat the game 100% with only grinding for some optional content, i definitely think the idea is to do the content in order of recommended level which will even out to all chapter ones than 2s and so on, as well as rotating the party so that characters are strong enough for their chapters.
Some of the Saga games were like this, especially the whole joining the main characters journey for literally no motives or dialogue whatsoever.
YES!!! THIS!! jesus dude how many ppl out there didnt got this?!?!?! Im actually AVOIDING fights left and right because Im AAAALLL the time overpowered, the only challenge is sometimes some bosses, and I havent grind FOR ONE MINUTE!!! just learn how to play the game FFS... people man... SMH....
The hardest game I've played was SaGa: Scarlet Grace Ambitions. Even Struggled on easy difficulty. But fun combat system!
Do you recommend buying the game? Or the other saga remakes?
@@royalsfan4784 would definitely recommend if you want a challenge. I only played the SaGa Frontier Remaster, which hasn't clicked with me yet.
I platinumed saga frontier, I thought the combat had was fun at times, the story seemed proper lack luster, almost as if it was made in the 80's. The game consists of 8 separate short stories that barely link with each other, in the respects that I don't feel like anyone shares they others journey what so ever.
Scarlet nexus is suprisingly amazing! I didn't like it at the beginning bc. Of its presentation and the lack of animated cutscenes. But you get so much depth thanks to that, since with that they filled the game to the max with dialogue.
I always forget how gorgeous and badass persona q 2 is and then I see more gameplay. I really hope we haven’t seen the last of the Etrian developers. I love their style
Etrian odyssey director worked on smt 5, now that is done he can go back to EO
I'm still hoping for an Etrian Odyssey developed for the Switch.
I was expecting Resonance of Fate in you list since you talked about it's difficulty before! The game is pretty brutal even if you get how the combat works!
That is so far the only game I have dropped because I couldn't get how the combat worked in the slightest. I was missing something. Or many somethings. Kept meaning to try it again but every time I consider it, I nope.
0:11 - 0:20...
I was gonna mention it but it came out a long time ago although the Remaster came out in 2018 so.... but YES learning curve is massive and it is extremely difficult especially since scratch damage must be done first for the most part. And alot of people didn't really know about ROF till the Remaster.
That last boss was so hard ( even more than the game in general.) I agree, that was a hard game, but it came out more than 5 years ago.
He said no remakes/remasters, Metal Max Xeno Reborn is in there but it just came out and the original is only 4 years old.
I can understand Etrian Odyssey coming out as hard as people perceived it to be. But that is actually because the game punishes you for cheaping out. There are monsters that will absolutely catch you off guard if you drag the battle too long because you think MP is low, don't use MP items, I'll just hit normally and BAM 2 characters are dead, and before you can get back on your feet, next turn 1 more is dead, along with the 2 guys you just resurrected. Running away sometimes works, but the odds are very slim once you're the one being cornered.
There are also enemies that you have to nuke asap if you encounter them with a certain other monster, but you won't know this usually if you are new to the area, which means you're either slightly underleveled, or on par with them. The damage you sustain will most likely be lethal in this case.
The bosses are also long AF (unless you're playing the absolute meta party comp), proceeding cautiously, only to get wrecked by RNG (your healer died to a random hit, or your tank died to a crit). There are also bosses IIRC, you have to be absolutely prepared before crossing a certain hp threshold, deal damage too fast, or cross it unprepared, it's a nearly guaranteed wipe
This made me think of my playthroughs of Cold Steel 3 and 4 with Soft's mod, nightmare 1st run (not on NG+). I think Aurelia (in CS4) took me about 3 hours to beat. Bosses don't telegraph their S-crafts in the mod, and 1-hit Hades/Domination builds will get you nowhere fast (they were OP in the vanilla game).
Eventually figuring out how to handle those brutal random encounters and ending the battle on the 1st turn is highly satisfying
Ive platinumed Monark and it was absolute easy. Little bit Grindy specially around the End but the first 90% of the Game were just a Cakewalk. Beated nearly every Boss within 3-4 Turns. When you get a New Party Member just relearn the Skills from a older Member and use the Points on the Newer one. Or Check for the Phonenumbers and sell useless Gear for your Vessels.
I think its important to make a distinction between Hard but fair vs Hard but cheap. When talking about why a game is hard. Some stuff is hard because it has a learning curve, while some is hard simply because the devs put in instant death cheap shots or HP sponges that use up all your energy and gear.
I agreed with Octopath Traveler, it's a game that depend a lot on level grinding. But i can finished (It's took me a year) with My characters on level 80.
I just got thru the first boss in Monark and it feels like I'm always underleveled. I even do all the side missions and keep lots of recovery items on.
I agree about SMT V, especially on hard mode and if you attempt to fight the Demi-Fiend on that difficulty setting. You're in for a brutal ass-kicking until you figure out his scripted actions and how to work around them. If you had allowed ports on here, then the Nocturne remaster should be mentioned as well. While the remaster does make the game easier in that it allows you to manually pick the skills you want your demons to keep during fusion instead of them being randomly generated and the bug that caused the boss Mot to spam Beast Eye to an absurd degree has been fixed, it's still one of the hardest SMT games, especially on hard mode and if you are going the route for the True Demon Ending. The final boss on that route is insane if you haven't build a party specifically to counter all of his strengths, especially on hard mode.
I just loved SMT V.
I feel like smt games are among the easier ones if you experienced at least one of the games before. My first playthrough of smt 4 was brutal. Since then i went back and played all the other mainline games and honestly they felt not too bad. You have to figure out which skills are good and how to fuse properly and you start to steamroll through these games.
Eric the bosses in Cold Steel 3 on hard and nightmare can be a pain.
we went from a Atelier game, to all of these brutally hard games...what a segue
Honestly 8 of 10 of these were very easy.
Persona Q2 was the first Persona game I ever played, and also the first MegaTen game in general. And goddamn dude, I played on Normal Mode the entire time, but it felt like I was playing Hard Mode with how much I kept dying and having to leave the Labyrinths to heal. I don’t even wanna imagine what Risky is like.
I knew MegaTen games are known for their difficulty, but Normal Mode being Hard as hell is like playing Devil May Cry.
Nice been waiting for this since ya last one when ya said this is coming lets goo
I love watching your content, good info and your accent brings me back to my childhood watching Speedy Gonzales 🙂
I'm trying not to buy Monark (switch) because in Brazil it costs around US$70.00. But every time I see something I get more excited. Anyway, great job!
Definitely sharing the shock of how rough Kamoshidaman is. His initial phase is simple but the 2nd rivals the power of the FOEs in his world, while Yosukesaurus is even worse. It seems to be a common trend for Persona games where the early game is hellish but after the midpoint things calm down because you've gotten all the good buff/debuff and heal skills. I beat Q2's final boss and the Reaper on the first try, easily.
Another annoying trend is with Disgaea where each sequel is tougher and needs more grind to survive. I've been afraid to look and see if the 6th game continued this.
While i agree that Octopath Traveler is a hard game. It is also a very fair game. If you are well prepared for battle you will be fine. The game does advises what level you should be before starting a new chapter. You will know how much you need to level up and prepare always with so many potions.
I personally liked both "scarlet nexus" & "code vein"
what's the game name in 0:37?
Please do tell if u figure it out idk either
With fighting - Tales of Graces, 2 lines of characters - Suikoden 5.
Your review/opinion/whatever really reminded me of Icarus - Sanctuary of the gods (I think the name was Droyan in Germany). You got quite a few party members, but by the time you had like 4 or 5 you never had enough money to even equip them which resulted in damage in the single digits for you.
It's one of those games that I really want to like, but it's just completely broken.
SMTV has the right difficult level, IMHO.
My hardest rpg would be trails of cold steel 2. My damage never really got better but the enemies got more and more hp. Add enemies hitting for a 3rd of a character's hp and normal enemies being spaced out through maps in a way that you have to go look for them, and you got a hard time leveling up...
You probably never experimented with Quartz and pieces... My Laura could easily top 100k damage, Rean about 80-90k, Fie or Sara as evasion tank (Fie is easier due to natural evasion) and no one can hit you (only with AoE). And that's on first play on normal by the end of the game. On Nightmare it was more like 1 round kill for all the bosses with exeption for the few.
I have played over half the games mentioned
Scarlet Nexus: I agree wholeheartedly
Etrian Odyssey: My damn jam
Dragon Marked for Death: Witch main (Witch is God) I need to try mp (Ninja = easy mode)
Octopath Traveler: Level grinding sucks, yes. Tanky regular enemies and Super Bosses, YES
Code Vein: Really fun if you're playing with a friend
Monark: Jesus Christ the combat and skill point system
Metal Max Xeno: going to get it and play it
You do know in monarch there are phone numbers that lead to training stages right? If not I'd try using those to get those points
I am actually playing dragon marked for death right now. I thought something seemed a bit off about it and you just confirmed my suspicions. Still quite fun though
CodeVein is criminally underrated tbh.
Scarlet nexus has bug fixes to fix the dodging and other delayed control issues so some of the difficulties are taken away
My 2 cents on some games here, for what it's worth :
- I found Scarlet Nexus very easy. Except for some design flaws and some diff. spikes, you can quickly understand how to cheese everything with a couple of ability combos. An extremely fun game though, hoping for a second one.
- I do not remember finding Octopath to be very hard. There were ways to become pretty OP quite early and grinding was not that hard as far as I recall. Might have to double-check and replay it.
- SMT V was not hard Imo except for the first boss. The rest was trial and error. You craft a fitting persona and then you can make each boss a cake walk.
Here are some games that gave me a small challenge :
- FF7R had brutal boss battles for most of my first playthrough. Even with a good setup and a better understanding of the system, hard playthrough was also challenging
- Valkyria Chronicles 4. But every VC game is hard
- Astral Chain had some challenge in it as well.
- Astria Ascending was hard up to a certain point, then it becomes a cinch. That's mostly due to how bad the designers balanced the game
Cool shirt, btw. Love this list. Scarlet Nexus is the only one of these I even own. I’m too old and too time-restricted to play many hard games any more. This list tells me what to avoid for my own maximum enjoyment. Thanks!
actually just finished code vein and i wouldn't say its that hard, but its definitely frustrating in the ways you describe. its systems are at odds with itself at times. it's built around you being able to mix and match blood codes, weapons and gifts encourage experimentation but then throws in dumb restrictions. I hope it gets a sequel and they get another shot at it. its still a great game though.
With the right combination of skills Scarlet Nexus was super easy, so I can see why there are some spikes there - they made a game where you're effectively a walking environmental hazard to the enemies and if exploited correctly you just crush everything
Nice video Erick. Also, cool shirt, looks sick.
I don't have problem with games that requires dodging like Scarlet Nexus and Code Vein since I play games that require perfect dodging but I have to agree with Monark. Levelling in that game is a pain in the ass that's why I dropped it a few days after playing since there is only one instance per chapter where you can repeatedly enter, it's fine in the first few levels but after that, you will see the exp requirements skyrocket off the roof from a few hundreds to thousands and you get more or less 500 exp per run and that's on S in the early game. Getting an S is annoying since it requires multiple actions to be done just to get an S rank, if any of your party members die or you exceeded the number of turns (most of them should be done in 2-4 turns max), your points will be deducted. and oh boy, they will die.
Tales of arise was hard for me but I'm getting through it just fine
Can you make one with the 10 easiest? I am am looking for a smooth entry into the genre.
IMO I think you would like Dragon Quest XI. keep in mind that 95% of all Jrpg's require you to stay and fight in one local area for awhile before going forward in the stories.
Dragon Quest 11, Xenoblade Chronicles DE, Ni No Kuni 2, Trials of Mana, all Pokemon.
I just platinumed Code Vein, it isn't that bad once you figure out all the bosses. I used the same blood code the entire game Atlas with the Oni Bane weapon just demolishing everybody's health. The worst part is getting all the medals! That was so grindy, problem was barely anyone plays online.
Im glad i checked this video i found an interesting game that i want to play God wars due to utawarerumono gameplay it makes me wanna play more of these types of games doesnt matter the difficulty will make it through all the waaaay
Honkai star rail is the HARDEST turn based game to date! After I beat SMT 5 completely, I been keeping close eye on it and since Day 1 it’s a thrilling challenge!
What are the games shown during the intro besides Suikoden V?
Project x Zone, Mana khemia 2, i don't know and Tales of graces.
I own God Wars Futures Past,Mistover and Monark but i've yet to play them. I hope i can get through them.
I own God Wars digitally for Switch.
@@jaimereupert4247 I managed to get a physical copy for the PS4.
"Persona Q2 is difficult"
I admit, it can be rough and definitely requires you to understand how the battle system works; but damn...that music is amazing...
Erik could u add chapters or a time stamp pinned comments to all your videos sometimes I just wanna hear about only some stuff.
Again a missed opportunity to plug the great underrated gem that is Natural Doctrine. A hard unknown and misunderstood game 😔. ( Though it's older than 5 years... )
octopath traveler is indeed a grind fest. I have noticed a trend lately with square enyx. Alot of their stuff lately has the dreaded words "difficultly spike"
I tend to play jrpgs on easy first time, if there's extra content or I love the game I'll play on the hardest setting on new game plus, SMT is a odd one for me while I do love how easy you can break the game I don't think it'd be able to get far on hard on a fresh save
I ended up giving up on scarlet Nexus since I could never for the life of me manage to make the perfect dodge work and kept dying repeatedly
I as almost never dodged in the game. Sounds like your issue was using your abilities
May I request a content?
PS1 RPGs list that re-released in PS4 and PS5.
Octopath is brutal over 100 hour's and damn does Galdora test how willing you are to grind or fish for exp x100
Kinda surprised to see Octopath on this list. There's only 3 really hard optional bosses. You level really quickly as well...
Really? I felt “SMT V” was the easiest yet! Soooooo easy to break the game! Especially with Magatsuhi with dampening items and using essences to get rid of weaknesses… Any “SMT” veteran should plow through easily. (Especially using Spyglasses). And Hama and Mudo aren’t instant death either. AND you can instantly teleport to a save point to save & heal! I mean, I like it, but it’s the cake walk of “SMT” games.
Went blind on Hard mode... Died couple of times on first boss, rest of the game (including one dancing motherfucker) was a breeze. Looks like lack of skill to me.
You're right, but remember that the list is filled with games released 5 years ago or less. The other SMTs wouldn't follow the criteria.
SMT V is just hard if you're ever underleved for a boss. Because despite what people say, you do indeed need to grind in that game. I had trouble on a miniboss despite having a perfect team to fight him, because he was five levels above me. I would've plowed through him otherwise.
@@ltb1345 This was my first SMT game, and it was apparent to me that the developers went out of their way to make grinding a waste of time. I feel bad that you spent time grinding when there are way too many levels available from fusion, grimoires, and the luck skill that certain demon types have. Grinding a demon in SMT V is impossible because the experience per level goes up exponentially.
On mistover, you forgot the areas are lv restricted, after a member gets too strong, he cant join an expedition on that area anymore... so multiples characters to keep exploring.
Hardest jrpg I've played in the last 5 years is probably code vein. I'm not good at dark souls but code vein I eventually got good at it. But let me tell you the cathedral level damn near made me break my controller in half, with the sheer amount of crap you have to put up with, to get through it. Still it's a good game just was brutal for me to get through .
Bs. It's easy. Same for scarlet nexus. God eaters hard
The art style of Metal Max Reborn maxes it look worse than the original lol...I'm glad the look of it turned me off playing the new version.
Thank you buddy !
Out of all the games in the list, personally I found any Dungeon Crawler games such as Etrian Odyssey to be challenging. Code Vein is to be expected since its basically Dark Souls waifu edition. I just recently finished Monark, but not sure if I found it "difficult", or maybe I just was too overleveled, that's why I found most of the enemies and bosses in Monark to be relatively easy 😅😅
When someone mention hardest JRPG, Shin Megami Tensei always come in my mind
Ugh dragon marked for death was so hard and it explains jack shit to you as to what you do for quests.
how unfortunate I was eying down the last two games on this list but I'm really not a fan extremely difficult jrpg's hopefully you do indepth review on them.
Every Game that can grind and over power I don't look as a Hard Game, but as difficulties unbalance game.
Darkest Dungeon is literally what you're asking for and Eric doesn't understand its magnificent magic. 2D style JRPG in a modern twist of dark and sick horror....
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd I kind of understand Eric mentality as I also not fan of permadeath. But I do agree Eric sometimes have many own rules like and dislike that only make sense for himself.
this sounds more like a mechanic hate video then an actual video game difficuty video
I'm interested in playing Octopath Ttraveler, and now that I've listened is hard I'm more insterested
It's not THAT hard but it takes a good grind fest to move forward from one area to the next. The monsters almost triple in hp/dmg output so you need to stay close to rest areas with inns if you want to grind faster in tougher areas than your lv.
I like the games it look cool and amazing and intended story thanks for the video
Sounds like "Omega Labyrinth Life" hasn't been the only offender.
In monark u just hav to play the fertile grounds
Wait you thought metal max: reborn was hard??? I had no issues with it since the game continuously gives you items you can use to upgrade yourself with!
And it labels which enemies are bosses on the map for you
I have beaten SMT V on hard. But it didn't feel THAT hard. There are some spikes in difficulty, but nothing a newcomer couldn't handle. I saw you footage against Ishtar, you did ignore her machines, which makes her way harder than needed. You got me interested in Octopath Traveler though.
I love that intro
I hope Scarlet Nexus comes to the Switch.
Monark in the thumbnail :)
Erick talking about how much he dislikes Monark :(
...don't mean to sound pretentious but I had a pretty easy time with q2 wasn't able to beat it though because I lost my save data but I was able to get up to the very start of a.i.g.i.s
shout out to mistover, only available physical
The hardest RPG I played was SMT Strange Journey......F**k Sector Eridanus! I was stuck there for almost a month
Scarlet nexus is an amazing game that most people won't play since the battles are so bad. You can easily get wiped on a random encounter if you get one bad dodge. Kinda sad. I get dark souls has a crazy fanaticly following of a few people, but that doesn't mean that every game should be so unforgiving where one bad dodge leads to a game over. I don't want them to make elden ring easier, i also don't want all the jrpgs to be like dark souls.
11:31 Couldn't agree with you more, fellow UA-camr
kingdom hearts 3 is harder then every game on this list
with the mad max game it is very easy to brake the game. find an engine any of the engines upgrade it to max than sell it. it should give you enough money to rebuy that same one but with a little extra keep doing this until you get the best stuff and just steam roll most bosses when you get a second member do the same (since you have unlimited money) this way i think you can beat the last boss early.
Darkest Dungeon is amazing, you're so wrong. But it's your opinion.
Suikoden 1/2, Final Fantassy VI, Chrono Trigger, Lufia II, BoF II... Still the best ones ever, but DD is among the best modern and toughest ones.
agrred on code vein and i need to play smt 5.
erick you need to try ps2 armored core last raven for the ps2 that is a freaking maso game
Thank you I wanted to like Monark soooooo bad. It’s just annoyingly hard for like no reason and it was just like I was under leveled the entire time and just like wtf….over it so bad I had to return the game
you are a great channel you should branch out to let's plays i am sure people would watch you i am going to sub
Where is SMT: Nocturne?
Metal Max Xeno Reborn isn't hard at all. I really don't now what your talking about the tank controlls are very basic and easy to understand. Bosses that seem overpowered are a thing but only if you're not into grinding a lot. The same thing about Scarlet Nexus grinding and understanding the mechanics of this game makes it a breeze to play and it's not really hard except maybe for the final boss but that is debatable.
I’m really surprised about all of these comments on Q2. Kamoshidaman is a bit of a difficulty spike, but the rest of the game is a joke, especially when you get the rest of the party members *cough* Aigis.
God I hate RPGs with convoluted equipment systems. They can sometimes ruin some of the enjoyment of an otherwise great game. Case and point: Tales of Berseria.