So basically the MAD made Magz a little mad… also at the end he says the attack went off without a hitch…. Ummm… hole in the side of a multi-million dollar submarine is a pretty big hitch in my mind lol.
Why launch from so close? Launch from further when there are no enemies? Wikipedia says TLAMs go 1000km. You also can probably also hit Moscow from the Arctic ocean.
Late to the party here, but the shortest-range variant of Tomahawk can reach Moscow if fired off the coast of Latvia. The longest-range variant can be fired as far as from London.
I may be a year out but I am going to add that at 8:37 you not only drop a noisemaker but you also cavitate, this directly sets in motion the chain of events that leads you to getting hit at 10:30 as you were still very close to that area and the helos re-positioned to that location in order to try and search for then shoot you, the exact position of the torpedo may be a bit lucky but you would've been detected on your northern leg and had only just started your eastern one
just found magz last week, and ive already learned so much about how to effectively fight in cold waters. sometimes i find myself talking along with the video to see if thats what he does. great series!
This is like the 20th cold waters video of yours i’m watching, you made me download the game after the 3rd, thank you for introducing me to this game and your channel, wishing you the best from Budapest ;)
you actually can just fire all missiles at the start and leave combat after your missiles are far away enough from you but before enemy responds to the attack.
Apparently the launches give an exact position of your sub so you might as well pop the radar up for the first few launches. Also loading more than one MOSS is probably useful. I've found myself needing a second far too often, and I'd rather it started loading that as soon as possible rather than waiting for a torpedo to load first.
Also, I typically don't worry about cavitation too much after I launch 8 missiles like that. If the enemies missed your giant cloud of smoke and loud rocket motors firing, they won't hear any cavitating.
That's a great video, I always find the descriptive commentary helpful as I'm not overly familiar with naval warfare tactics. On a side note, I also enjoy your DCS content especially with the new Hornet and Persian Gulf modules. Thank you and keep the videos coming, please!
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The reason he couldn't spot anyone in the beginning is because the towed array stows 150-200ft from the bottom, you have to sweep with the forward dome to gain contacts (range limited)
Another incredibly awesome Cold Waters video!!! Though, I would absolutely love it if we saw the destruction of the TLAMs striking their target! Gotta love some explosions :)
I’ve been having issues with noise makers too. I think when in Ultra silent like an auto loader gets reloaded by the crew but not when silent running is on and Torpedos have had their fuel decreased.
@@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 In 2005 during a war games exercise, a Swedish submarine successfully bypassed all ASW countermeasures, engaged and "sunk" the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan along with several other ships in her carrier group. The US Navy never saw it coming and never saw it leave.
Sea wolfs greatest strength is it’s speed. In a 170 ft if water, and having to deal with big dippers and pelicans and an ASW DDG in water too shallow is a tough situation. Once you launched your cruise missiles, you gave away your position. It’s was only a matter of a few minutes before ASW A/C are on your position and tracking you actively, and passively in water to shallow to use the sonic layers to hide your acoustic signature. It doesn’t matter how slow or quite you are in that circumstance. Nuclear Subs AUX equipment such as pumps and the nuclear reactor are very loud. “Sonobuoys” not Sonarbuoys, are actually hearing the AUX equipment on your sub, not it’s cavitation. Once the big dippers had a rough estimate of your position, they used active sonar to pin point your location and proceed with attacks. I’d recommend firing the cruise missiles at maximum range then about turn, using the subs speed to escape to deeper water where you could than use the sonic layer to your advantage and hide.
OnYourKillList How does a sonobuoy picking up AUX translate to active sonar? Against something like a Seawolf? And isn't it thermal layer, not sonic layer?
Trey Stroeder I was referring to passive sonobuoys dropped by the LRPA and the Helos. Once the pointers (passive sonobuoys) localized him, the ASW Helo used his sonar transducer (BALL) to actively ping to pin point his exact positions to commence SELFTAC’s The sound layer, or sonic layer, or thermal layer, all are correct terms, is created by temperature changes and changes in salinity levels that correspond with depth as deeper water is obviously colder, more dense, and has a greater salinity level. It’s referred to as a sound layer because these changes in water temp and salinity act as a duct that traps sound and doesn’t allow it to propagate through it. That’s how subs use the sound layer to hide. It employs sensors like a bathythermograph to determine what the depth of the sonic layer / sound layer / thermal layer is approximately every 12 hrs. These sort of environmental effects have similar effects on radar. Cold air that is close to the surface of water creates super refraction ducts that trap and refract radar transmissions close to the surface. When I was in the gulf, my ships NAV radar used to get ranges up to 200 NM when the radars actual operational range was only 24 NM. Understanding the effect that these types of environmental effects on your sensors are extremely important with regards to tactical planning.
I don’t really know why the hookshot plan worked this time, but I don’t think it normally would, because actually shooting the torpedo makes an ass load of noise, because of the expelling the fish from the tube. The original volume wouldn’t be much of an issue at the depth that you were at, but I would think bottom bounce would seriously amplify the launch transient and make it significantly easier for enemies to hear. It’s probably better to be closer in when shooting a tube with that shallow of a floor. As long as you keep the wire, you can steer the fish away from you if it acquires you, and being so close to a friendly unit would make it impossible for the enemy ships to shoot at you, even if they heard the transient. There’s a lot more thought process that goes in to shooting a tube at that depth than what I just said, but the point is that shot should have gotten you detected by at least a chopper. Although maybe the chopper wasn’t close enough for the dipping sonar to hear the transient so they didn’t see it coming... Anyway, I just figured I’d share my opinion on what I would’ve done in that mission, from one skipper to another. It’s better to consider that everyone can hear you than to take the chance that they can’t. You can take this in to account if you want to in the future but you don’t have to. Sorry if I came off hostile, I didn’t mean to.
Well they got enough cheats on spawning of airborne assets. Dangerous Waters does a better job seeing as the helicopters and aircraft have to be in the AO to be there. And if you sink all the helicopter carrying ships, there won't be any more of those, and if there are no planes, then no airborne assets will harass you.
I cavitated at 8:30, I was precision dropped at 10:00 At both those times there was no surface unit close enough to detect me with either passive or active sonar, and I had over a minute to change direction. at 11:00 I show that while silent running and almost directly under a dipping sonar the Seawolf is undetectable by the Helos equipment. I was torpped because the AI cheated, It does that on Elite and it irritates me every time it happens.
The PLN is so trigger happy, more than the Russians. When I play as soon as i sink a ship or fire weapon close to a ship/sub the sea becomes full of metal fishes. Makes it fun though.
usually what i do is an about face right at the start of the mission. i run 5-7 knots directly away from the base to about 150 nm (or the deep water) away, occasionally raising the esm if im curious. it takes about 10-15 min even on time accl. but its a hella lot safer, if more boring to watch on youtube.
ay magz, i know you get this alot but hear me out. you are the reason i re-downloaded dcs (stopped following it like 2-3 years ago). as a father i know how gaming goes with you and how it affects how much you upload, but if there is any chance on anyday it would be cool to fly out and learn tips and tricks from one of the best. cheers!
If you would have been in a Virginia class sub they might as well have been blind, deaf, and dumb because they wouldn’t have heard fuck all, jack all, and would have been saying “where did he go George where did he go?” The whole freaking time.
I tell you what, the sight of a submarine passing by one of it's kills is fantastic. Sent chills down my back.
It was their magnetic anomaly detector that picked you up. They're effective at up to 400 feet.
Makes this campaign extra difficult.
R Blinson I thought it was 600 feet?
You did cavitate at one point @8:35 ....that might have got you spotted
So basically the MAD made Magz a little mad… also at the end he says the attack went off without a hitch…. Ummm… hole in the side of a multi-million dollar submarine is a pretty big hitch in my mind lol.
@@NeoMorphUK
Million? The first two Seawolfs cost $3 billion each.
The navy wants you to TLAM Moscow next.
What's that?
You say it's landlocked?
Just do your job captain! Leave the thinking to the staff
Deplorable Mecoptera This comment sounds more befitting of Jingle's channel than here. The Gnome Overlord won't tolerate logical questions.
Why launch from so close? Launch from further when there are no enemies? Wikipedia says TLAMs go 1000km. You also can probably also hit Moscow from the Arctic ocean.
Late to the party here, but the shortest-range variant of Tomahawk can reach Moscow if fired off the coast of Latvia. The longest-range variant can be fired as far as from London.
I may be a year out but I am going to add that at 8:37 you not only drop a noisemaker but you also cavitate, this directly sets in motion the chain of events that leads you to getting hit at 10:30 as you were still very close to that area and the helos re-positioned to that location in order to try and search for then shoot you, the exact position of the torpedo may be a bit lucky but you would've been detected on your northern leg and had only just started your eastern one
just found magz last week, and ive already learned so much about how to effectively fight in cold waters. sometimes i find myself talking along with the video to see if thats what he does. great series!
They picked you out when you cavitated.
This is my favorite series of yours. Love watching you play this game.
This is like the 20th cold waters video of yours i’m watching, you made me download the game after the 3rd, thank you for introducing me to this game and your channel, wishing you the best from Budapest ;)
you actually can just fire all missiles at the start and leave combat after your missiles are far away enough from you but before enemy responds to the attack.
Apparently the launches give an exact position of your sub so you might as well pop the radar up for the first few launches. Also loading more than one MOSS is probably useful. I've found myself needing a second far too often, and I'd rather it started loading that as soon as possible rather than waiting for a torpedo to load first.
Also, I typically don't worry about cavitation too much after I launch 8 missiles like that. If the enemies missed your giant cloud of smoke and loud rocket motors firing, they won't hear any cavitating.
*Eats a torpedo*
"That went without a hitch"
That's a great video, I always find the descriptive commentary helpful as I'm not overly familiar with naval warfare tactics. On a side note, I also enjoy your DCS content especially with the new Hornet and Persian Gulf modules. Thank you and keep the videos coming, please!
That las shot with you right beside that frigate. Oh man! ☺
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I kept going closer to the shore till I got beached hahaha
I bet your target was the Tsingtao beer brewery.
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The reason he couldn't spot anyone in the beginning is because the towed array stows 150-200ft from the bottom, you have to sweep with the forward dome to gain contacts (range limited)
I Love Your Content Man Keep Up The Good Work
i have read about drones that fly and can be launched from a submerged submarine to recon the surface. i think some can attack ASW aircraft.
Thanks for your informative tutorial. Your time and effort is very much appreciated.
Heh, pretty sure I heard you refer to east as west at least twice here. At 13:24 for example.
Another incredibly awesome Cold Waters video!!! Though, I would absolutely love it if we saw the destruction of the TLAMs striking their target! Gotta love some explosions :)
I’ve been having issues with noise makers too. I think when in Ultra silent like an auto loader gets reloaded by the crew but not when silent running is on and Torpedos have had their fuel decreased.
your still the best cold waters channel! go mags
This game makes you wonder how modern surface fleets stand a chance against such quiet and deadly submarines
Modern surface fleets use subs as escorts but it's a hell of a trick protecting assets from silent killers
There are 2 types of modern-day warships:
Submarines, and targets.
true but it just takes for the sub to get spotted and its game over
@@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274 In 2005 during a war games exercise, a Swedish submarine successfully bypassed all ASW countermeasures, engaged and "sunk" the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan along with several other ships in her carrier group.
The US Navy never saw it coming and never saw it leave.
Sea wolfs greatest strength is it’s speed. In a 170 ft if water, and having to deal with big dippers and pelicans and an ASW DDG in water too shallow is a tough situation. Once you launched your cruise missiles, you gave away your position. It’s was only a matter of a few minutes before ASW A/C are on your position and tracking you actively, and passively in water to shallow to use the sonic layers to hide your acoustic signature. It doesn’t matter how slow or quite you are in that circumstance. Nuclear Subs AUX equipment such as pumps and the nuclear reactor are very loud. “Sonobuoys” not Sonarbuoys, are actually hearing the AUX equipment on your sub, not it’s cavitation.
Once the big dippers had a rough estimate of your position, they used active sonar to pin point your location and proceed with attacks. I’d recommend firing the cruise missiles at maximum range then about turn, using the subs speed to escape to deeper water where you could than use the sonic layer to your advantage and hide.
OnYourKillList How does a sonobuoy picking up AUX translate to active sonar? Against something like a Seawolf?
And isn't it thermal layer, not sonic layer?
Trey Stroeder I was referring to passive sonobuoys dropped by the LRPA and the Helos. Once the pointers (passive sonobuoys) localized him, the ASW Helo used his sonar transducer (BALL) to actively ping to pin point his exact positions to commence SELFTAC’s
The sound layer, or sonic layer, or thermal layer, all are correct terms, is created by temperature changes and changes in salinity levels that correspond with depth as deeper water is obviously colder, more dense, and has a greater salinity level. It’s referred to as a sound layer because these changes in water temp and salinity act as a duct that traps sound and doesn’t allow it to propagate through it. That’s how subs use the sound layer to hide. It employs sensors like a bathythermograph to determine what the depth of the sonic layer / sound layer / thermal layer is approximately every 12 hrs.
These sort of environmental effects have similar effects on radar. Cold air that is close to the surface of water creates super refraction ducts that trap and refract radar transmissions close to the surface. When I was in the gulf, my ships NAV radar used to get ranges up to 200 NM when the radars actual operational range was only 24 NM. Understanding the effect that these types of environmental effects on your sensors are extremely important with regards to tactical planning.
I don’t really know why the hookshot plan worked this time, but I don’t think it normally would, because actually shooting the torpedo makes an ass load of noise, because of the expelling the fish from the tube. The original volume wouldn’t be much of an issue at the depth that you were at, but I would think bottom bounce would seriously amplify the launch transient and make it significantly easier for enemies to hear. It’s probably better to be closer in when shooting a tube with that shallow of a floor. As long as you keep the wire, you can steer the fish away from you if it acquires you, and being so close to a friendly unit would make it impossible for the enemy ships to shoot at you, even if they heard the transient. There’s a lot more thought process that goes in to shooting a tube at that depth than what I just said, but the point is that shot should have gotten you detected by at least a chopper. Although maybe the chopper wasn’t close enough for the dipping sonar to hear the transient so they didn’t see it coming... Anyway, I just figured I’d share my opinion on what I would’ve done in that mission, from one skipper to another. It’s better to consider that everyone can hear you than to take the chance that they can’t. You can take this in to account if you want to in the future but you don’t have to. Sorry if I came off hostile, I didn’t mean to.
Can the ai tell your course from the trail of noise makers? You did leave a pretty straight line bread crumb trail along your line of bearing
Well they got enough cheats on spawning of airborne assets.
Dangerous Waters does a better job seeing as the helicopters and aircraft have to be in the AO to be there.
And if you sink all the helicopter carrying ships, there won't be any more of those, and if there are no planes, then no airborne assets will harass you.
He also cavitated at 8:30 so I think this is how the helo found him.
I cavitated at 8:30, I was precision dropped at 10:00 At both those times there was no surface unit close enough to detect me with either passive or active sonar, and I had over a minute to change direction. at 11:00 I show that while silent running and almost directly under a dipping sonar the Seawolf is undetectable by the Helos equipment.
I was torpped because the AI cheated, It does that on Elite and it irritates me every time it happens.
MagzTV well this is quite frustrating then... What happened to your noisemakers? You tried to deploy one but nothing happened.
I guess the Poseidon didn't favor him today :P
Oh well, maybe next time. Crotchety old bastard can never make his mind up anyhow
Somehow I felt like maybe you did hit some civilian assets in Qingdao 😂
Little crafty Z-9
That torp drop was bullshit, I also hate when Subs detect you while you are in the baffles.
Quindao, also home to my favorite Chinese beer, Tsingtao
Great game. Can you land on the bottom to avoid torps ?
Wirhout a hich? You got hit in the belly :)
Mad'den ning isn't it eh? Hard to dodge that province
I sure do miss new ones hows the health>
that ship looks a lot like a Japanese Destroyer
When you're in water that shallow can you go to stop and sink down to the bottom to go really silent?
You will be pretty silent, but active sonar will pick you up regardless of what noise you're making
running silent = no countermeasures
Wait how did you not implode from the torpedo hit?
He was very shallow. Take that hit at 1000ft and its game over.
The PLN is so trigger happy, more than the Russians. When I play as soon as i sink a ship or fire weapon close to a ship/sub the sea becomes full of metal fishes. Makes it fun though.
usually what i do is an about face right at the start of the mission. i run 5-7 knots directly away from the base to about 150 nm (or the deep water) away, occasionally raising the esm if im curious. it takes about 10-15 min even on time accl. but its a hella lot safer, if more boring to watch on youtube.
You cavitated
Love ur channel and content. Tis the shit
ay magz, i know you get this alot but hear me out. you are the reason i re-downloaded dcs (stopped following it like 2-3 years ago). as a father i know how gaming goes with you and how it affects how much you upload, but if there is any chance on anyday it would be cool to fly out and learn tips and tricks from one of the best. cheers!
Does anyone know how real this is to sub operations?
I certainly hoped you missed the famous beer factory in Qingdao...
I hope I missed quite a lot there, I've seen pictures of that Harbor and it's actually quite pretty.
Such is the ugly truth of war
Gday magz
Not-so-silent hunter lol
Aussie Aussie Aussie
If you would have been in a Virginia class sub they might as well have been blind, deaf, and dumb because they wouldn’t have heard fuck all, jack all, and would have been saying “where did he go George where did he go?” The whole freaking time.
I've had the EXACT issue in the same mission type. Those helos are BS.
Wow, i didnt know anyone can ever make a UA-cam content out of a Tomahawk strike mission from this game lol
Great work.More war thunder plz.First
Planes are better. More fun)
first.
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Thoughts on the Kanye West shitstorm?
My opinion is that I stopped paying any attention to anything Kanye west related over a decade ago.
Really? Why does anyone even pay attention or care what's happening to these celebrities.
Daniel Pogosyan politics probably
MagzTV I didn't even know he existed untill this whole thig blew up. But I get a laugh out of watching SJWs lose their minds