I believe that old puukkos had that nice high grind mostly because the bevels were made with tahko ( what is it called in english grindstone? Or wheel?? Kinda like big Tormek ) they also used that for any major sharpening jobs as the only natural benchstones are so fine grit... now days its all done with belt grinders... that old orginal Ilves is a legendary blade, Lauri Törni carried one ... the modern one's are nice too but i dont care about stainless models, but the new Ilves Black edition and the " tako terä" that have 80crV2 blades are good.. i have the black one, it has kind of "in between" grind compared to the old ilves and a low scandi...
That new Ilves black looks pretty neat. Not really suprising that Lauri Torni carried one of the original ones as I am sure many soldiers at the time did. His would be a well travelled knife with some tales to tell. I think you could say either grindstone or grinding wheel. Thank you very much for all of the information my friend and for watching the video.
Thanks for this video. I have the current version, but had an earlier one. I bought it in Builth Wells in the Summer of 1966 for 13 shillings. I was camping nearby with the scouts. The knife itself was identical to the first one you showed. Although the scabbard was similar, it didn't have the tassels, but did feature the Sami on his sledge. It served me well, and might still be doing so, had my Dad not given it to the "Cats Protection League" charity shop in the early 2000s.
What a story, a Finnish knife bought in Wales all those years ago and sold to look after cats. Definitely more of a dog person , but after what our Beta did to a crow that I had to finish off the other day I am not sure why🤣. Would be interesting to know when they started putting the reindeer sled on the sheathes and stopped putting a fuller in the blade. I have seen quite a few variations. Been looking at the old ones on our Finnish version of eBay. Thank you for for watching and for telling me about your Marttiinis. Great to hear from you.
Awesome collection of Marttiini's there Tim! I still enjoy the one I have that I showed a few years/last year(whatever, hard to keep track now with over 400 videos lol). The sheath fits a few of my other fixed blades so it really comes in handy, all of my knives get used I just like to change up week to week usually. Interesting to see how they evolve over time, hope you had a great weekend mate!!
Spent the weekend on the plot. Getting raided by the local fox. He has been theiving.Should bring Unni to chase him off. I remember that video mate. They do make nice sheaths, the deep carry probably helps it hold a wider variety of knives. Hope you had a great weekend too bud.
@@KuukkeliBushcraft Ya know its crazy you mention that, we have a local fox here on the block thats been using the underground city water runoffs along the road for 2 years now. Every night me and Beas sees him/her! This one just looks for rabbits and food scraps, walked up on him the other night walking Beas...just laying under a tree in someones yard chilling it was kinda cool, just starred at us lol. Then last night he was under the front patio trying to stay dry from the rain until Beasley startled him off. They can be annoyances though for sure. And yea man had a great weekend, hope you did too Tim!!! Ty
I reacently read that the fullers became popular in 19th century. One theory is that it made them more popular as imports or they just look good. Apparently many skilled high paid workers in finnish factories were from england sheffield knife makers. I guess mainly because they had more knowledge of factory style manufacture, and maybe more educated in technical details of steel properties, and such rather than just village blacksmiths. Even the tommi knife got its name after Thomas "Tommi" Woodward who was CO at fiskars back then. As the finnish knife maker Kalle Keränen started his own shop he named his knife after Thomas who taught lot about knife making to him.
Yes I read about Tommi. I would really like to get a Tommi Puukko, partly because of the story.But they are a bit too expensive. Maybe one day😂. As for the Fullers they look really cool, I am sure this is the reason that they were so common. Must add a fair bit of price to the manufacture though. Thank you very much for the information.
I should get a fillet knife, they are pretty cheap in the marttiini factory store. Maybe next time I am in Rovaniemi. I could spend a fortune in there 😂.
Great video Tim. I do like that Lynx, the markings sure can tell a story. The sheath, I think I'm going to copy it's design somewhat for one of my knives. Educational, lots to learn. Between you and the Grizz I feel like a school boy LOL. Well done.
Thank you very much, I think we all feel like schoolboys next to Grizz when it comes to knife stuff. I am sure I would feel like a schoolboy next to you when it comes to sheath making. I really should do more of that, not made a sheath in a long time.If you are interested in this sheath I will send you some closeups.
I believe the big difference i see is hand made to be useful and beautiful. Nowadays 😂especially they are 90% or more machine made. The hand carved fuller and personal engraving shows me pride of craftsmanship. I always wanted a original puukko when i was a kid(boyscout) mainly because our scout master had one. Don't realize when your a kid the effects good men have on your life. I pride some of my good qualities came from the men that took time to spend with us wild kids. The scout master at the time didn't have any kids. Yet he always made sure we went camping and learned skills. That are very valuable to this day
So good for kids to have someone like that. When I did my apprenticeship we had a supervisor like that.I like to think I share some of his good qualities. It is the same with most things that everything is mass produced,even things like houses. Everything is becoming less skilled and we have most of the workforce sat behind computers. Things change. Thanks for watching.
Tim, nice knife, in good working order ! The bolster is a thimble type design, I've seen makers use regular sewing thimbles in their knife making. The upswept tip can be found on the Normark, Fiskar hunting knives, as well as, the rhomboid blade shape. I may need to send you one ! As you know, I to like older knives. Bringing them back to usable shape is a honor to the ancestors ! Thanks for the education, as always your friend, Bob / Grizz 🐻
A thimble, what a neat idea. The blade shape is quite common in knives of that age. As I said there was always a lot of variation. I should make some more videos of my older knives. I have one in particular that I like to use from time to time with a full flat grind. No idea of the manufacturer or age (except it is pretty old). Very plain looking thing but somehow nice to use. You should keep an eye out on Huuto.com they won't ship abroad but if you see anything you like I could send it on. Just search Puukko.
@@KuukkeliBushcraft Thanks, I will check it out. I have a Lauri puukko blade blank that I will put a thimble and hickory handle on soon, keep the old ones coming ! 🐻
It seems Iisakki Järvenpää still makes the blades the old way. Without the engraving though. I'm thinking of the model called Koukkupää (?) that looks very similar to the Lynx.
I think Järvenpää are very traditional and they don't change their products very much over the years. Many have the same blade shape and fullers. I don't know the model you mentioned, I did briefly try to Google it. I really like Järvenpää stuff. Expensive though. Thank you very much for watching.
Great stuff! I myself have fascination of knives. I think that it's more of a trend. Here in the US, bushcraft is getting more popular, and survival shows promotes low scandi grind because it tends to split wood more easily. We're always constantly looking for ways of having a one knife options that will do the task in a survival scenarios. One of the best grind I would say is the low scandi grind that we seem to gravitate into. That's just me.
Everybody is different, and we are all working in different environments. I believe there is even a difference in how different grinds perfirm on different kinds of wood. Of course some people batton a lot others not at all, to some people cooking is an important part of their outdoor experience and to others the only food prep they will use their knife for is opening an MRE packet. A knife that is great for skinning a deer can be awful for cutting down a sapling. I think for the purposes I use my knives for I am starting to gravitate towards a higher grind for most tasks myself. I am however operating in quite a different environment. Thank you very much for watching.
I have the older one my father had for hunting when I was a kid. I'm 74 now so that knife has to be about 60 years old or more.The writing that's in the groove says Made in Finland.
Made in Finland,that makes sense.Thank you for the information.. Really fantastic that you still have your father's knife after all of these years. Thank you very much for watching. Have a fantastic new year.
I definately like the older styled knives. The blade shape seems to work a bit better for game processing to me, and the one i have, don't know the maker, has a rhombic cross section and fullers. As well as the much longer ferrule. My only complaint is one i have with basically all puukkos, and that's the handles are all just slightly too small for my big hands. Lol. Always feel like my fingers about to go on the edge.
Some of my older puukkos have tiny handles😂. I definitely do prefer a higher grind, much more multi purpose. Older puukkos seem to be a little more narrow too wich I like. Very nimble little knives.
Servus Heiko. I believe the Finnish soldiers carried various different knives They even made their own knives and sheaths. Aluminium and Plexiglas from downed aircraft were popular materials for making knife sheaths.Trench art was quite a popular pass time for Finns in the Winter War. Finnish soldiers always have used their own knives but there are and were many knife manufacturers making knives for different units. The Lynx will certainly have been carried by many in the winter war. Thank you for your comment and for watching. Always great to hear from you Heiko.
The ferrule on the older knife is about twice as long and significantly tapered. Why would the design have been like this? It looks to me that butts of all of these puukkot have an iconic Lynx shape. Thank you for showing these comparisons! Up the Rhinos!
I don't know if there is any real reason for the differences other than puukko fashion. I do have other puukkos from the same period in time, with similar ferrules. Thanks for watching buddy. You will never walk alone.
my Lynx unfortunately turned out to be so soft its unusable for any kind of serious work including carvings. the edge tends to roll and bend from carving anything. let alone light batoning
That's really bad. Marttiini do have soft steels in general. But hardly unusable. It sounds to me like something went wrong with the heat treatment in production. Have you tried to contact the company?
Old video, but an ageless topic, so... While the aesthetics are usually more to my liking too on older puukkos and knives in general, I think the modern ones tend to work a bit better for most tasks I use a puukko/knife for. No major difference really with makers/brands like Marttiini, but still. Good video anyway 👍
Thank you for watching some of my older videos. I have been doing this for about 3 years now so there are plenty of them. As for if the newer Puukos function better for most tasks that actually sounds like an interesting topic for a video. I will have a think about that. Thanks again.
That massive finger groove just pisses me of. Why not just grind it down to the tang so that it's no longer possible to have a proper grip. Good thing they make those without the groove.
I agree the groove really doesn't help with anything but just makes the knife a little less comfortable to use. I should get it on the belt sander and remove it really. I saw a video where someone did just that to the same knife. Thanks for watching
I believe that old puukkos had that nice high grind mostly because the bevels were made with tahko ( what is it called in english grindstone? Or wheel?? Kinda like big Tormek ) they also used that for any major sharpening jobs as the only natural benchstones are so fine grit... now days its all done with belt grinders... that old orginal Ilves is a legendary blade, Lauri Törni carried one ... the modern one's are nice too but i dont care about stainless models, but the new Ilves Black edition and the " tako terä" that have 80crV2 blades are good.. i have the black one, it has kind of "in between" grind compared to the old ilves and a low scandi...
That new Ilves black looks pretty neat. Not really suprising that Lauri Torni carried one of the original ones as I am sure many soldiers at the time did. His would be a well travelled knife with some tales to tell. I think you could say either grindstone or grinding wheel.
Thank you very much for all of the information my friend and for watching the video.
Thanks for this video. I have the current version, but had an earlier one. I bought it in Builth Wells in the Summer of 1966 for 13 shillings. I was camping nearby with the scouts. The knife itself was identical to the first one you showed. Although the scabbard was similar, it didn't have the tassels, but did feature the Sami on his sledge. It served me well, and might still be doing so, had my Dad not given it to the "Cats Protection League" charity shop in the early 2000s.
What a story, a Finnish knife bought in Wales all those years ago and sold to look after cats. Definitely more of a dog person , but after what our Beta did to a crow that I had to finish off the other day I am not sure why🤣. Would be interesting to know when they started putting the reindeer sled on the sheathes and stopped putting a fuller in the blade. I have seen quite a few variations. Been looking at the old ones on our Finnish version of eBay. Thank you for for watching and for telling me about your Marttiinis. Great to hear from you.
Awesome collection of Marttiini's there Tim! I still enjoy the one I have that I showed a few years/last year(whatever, hard to keep track now with over 400 videos lol). The sheath fits a few of my other fixed blades so it really comes in handy, all of my knives get used I just like to change up week to week usually. Interesting to see how they evolve over time, hope you had a great weekend mate!!
Spent the weekend on the plot. Getting raided by the local fox. He has been theiving.Should bring Unni to chase him off. I remember that video mate. They do make nice sheaths, the deep carry probably helps it hold a wider variety of knives. Hope you had a great weekend too bud.
@@KuukkeliBushcraft Ya know its crazy you mention that, we have a local fox here on the block thats been using the underground city water runoffs along the road for 2 years now. Every night me and Beas sees him/her! This one just looks for rabbits and food scraps, walked up on him the other night walking Beas...just laying under a tree in someones yard chilling it was kinda cool, just starred at us lol. Then last night he was under the front patio trying to stay dry from the rain until Beasley startled him off. They can be annoyances though for sure.
And yea man had a great weekend, hope you did too Tim!!! Ty
I reacently read that the fullers became popular in 19th century. One theory is that it made them more popular as imports or they just look good. Apparently many skilled high paid workers in finnish factories were from england sheffield knife makers. I guess mainly because they had more knowledge of factory style manufacture, and maybe more educated in technical details of steel properties, and such rather than just village blacksmiths. Even the tommi knife got its name after Thomas "Tommi" Woodward who was CO at fiskars back then. As the finnish knife maker Kalle Keränen started his own shop he named his knife after Thomas who taught lot about knife making to him.
Yes I read about Tommi. I would really like to get a Tommi Puukko, partly because of the story.But they are a bit too expensive. Maybe one day😂. As for the Fullers they look really cool, I am sure this is the reason that they were so common. Must add a fair bit of price to the manufacture though. Thank you very much for the information.
I have a Marttiini Filet Knife. Had it for many, many, many years, Great knife.
I should get a fillet knife, they are pretty cheap in the marttiini factory store. Maybe next time I am in Rovaniemi. I could spend a fortune in there 😂.
Great video Tim. I do like that Lynx, the markings sure can tell a story. The sheath, I think I'm going to copy it's design somewhat for one of my knives. Educational, lots to learn. Between you and the Grizz I feel like a school boy LOL. Well done.
Thank you very much, I think we all feel like schoolboys next to Grizz when it comes to knife stuff. I am sure I would feel like a schoolboy next to you when it comes to sheath making. I really should do more of that, not made a sheath in a long time.If you are interested in this sheath I will send you some closeups.
Great video that and some interesting info behind the knives too so thanks for sharing enjoyed this atb jj
Now you know what the ancestors of your Ahma look like😂. Hope you enjoyed the Bushcraft show mate. Pity I couldn't make it this time.
@@KuukkeliBushcraft I absolutely love my ahma pukko knife 🔪 but good to see original versions too ...hopefully see you at the next show
Nice video, what a treasure that old knife is!
Very proud to have one of the originals.
I hope I am still capable of making feather sticks at that age too 😂. Thanks for watching Jay.
I believe the big difference i see is hand made to be useful and beautiful. Nowadays 😂especially they are 90% or more machine made.
The hand carved fuller and personal engraving shows me pride of craftsmanship.
I always wanted a original puukko when i was a kid(boyscout) mainly because our scout master had one.
Don't realize when your a kid the effects good men have on your life. I pride some of my good qualities came from the men that took time to spend with us wild kids. The scout master at the time didn't have any kids. Yet he always made sure we went camping and learned skills. That are very valuable to this day
So good for kids to have someone like that. When I did my apprenticeship we had a supervisor like that.I like to think I share some of his good qualities.
It is the same with most things that everything is mass produced,even things like houses. Everything is becoming less skilled and we have most of the workforce sat behind computers.
Things change.
Thanks for watching.
Interesting overview, thanks Tim!
Thank you for watching Trev.Glad you found it interesting.
Tim, nice knife, in good working order ! The bolster is a thimble type design, I've seen makers use regular sewing thimbles in their knife making. The upswept tip can be found on the Normark, Fiskar hunting knives, as well as, the rhomboid blade shape. I may need to send you one ! As you know, I to like older knives. Bringing them back to usable shape is a honor to the ancestors ! Thanks for the education, as always your friend, Bob / Grizz 🐻
A thimble, what a neat idea. The blade shape is quite common in knives of that age. As I said there was always a lot of variation. I should make some more videos of my older knives. I have one in particular that I like to use from time to time with a full flat grind. No idea of the manufacturer or age (except it is pretty old). Very plain looking thing but somehow nice to use. You should keep an eye out on Huuto.com they won't ship abroad but if you see anything you like I could send it on. Just search Puukko.
@@KuukkeliBushcraft Thanks, I will check it out. I have a Lauri puukko blade blank that I will put a thimble and hickory handle on soon, keep the old ones coming ! 🐻
It seems Iisakki Järvenpää still makes the blades the old way. Without the engraving though. I'm thinking of the model called Koukkupää (?) that looks very similar to the Lynx.
I think Järvenpää are very traditional and they don't change their products very much over the years. Many have the same blade shape and fullers. I don't know the model you mentioned, I did briefly try to Google it.
I really like Järvenpää stuff. Expensive though.
Thank you very much for watching.
Can't see what you mean by changes. The slight curve? Believe me you can buy one.
Great stuff! I myself have fascination of knives. I think that it's more of a trend. Here in the US, bushcraft is getting more popular, and survival shows promotes low scandi grind because it tends to split wood more easily. We're always constantly looking for ways of having a one knife options that will do the task in a survival scenarios. One of the best grind I would say is the low scandi grind that we seem to gravitate into. That's just me.
Everybody is different, and we are all working in different environments. I believe there is even a difference in how different grinds perfirm on different kinds of wood. Of course some people batton a lot others not at all, to some people cooking is an important part of their outdoor experience and to others the only food prep they will use their knife for is opening an MRE packet. A knife that is great for skinning a deer can be awful for cutting down a sapling. I think for the purposes I use my knives for I am starting to gravitate towards a higher grind for most tasks myself. I am however operating in quite a different environment.
Thank you very much for watching.
I have the older one my father had for hunting when I was a kid. I'm 74 now so that knife has to be about 60 years old or more.The writing that's in the groove says Made in Finland.
Made in Finland,that makes sense.Thank you for the information.. Really fantastic that you still have your father's knife after all of these years.
Thank you very much for watching.
Have a fantastic new year.
I definately like the older styled knives. The blade shape seems to work a bit better for game processing to me, and the one i have, don't know the maker, has a rhombic cross section and fullers. As well as the much longer ferrule. My only complaint is one i have with basically all puukkos, and that's the handles are all just slightly too small for my big hands. Lol. Always feel like my fingers about to go on the edge.
Some of my older puukkos have tiny handles😂. I definitely do prefer a higher grind, much more multi purpose. Older puukkos seem to be a little more narrow too wich I like. Very nimble little knives.
Hello !
The Lynx was the Field - Knive from the Soldiers in Finnland, Winterwar and 41- 44.
Best Greetings and Servus ! Heiko
Servus Heiko.
I believe the Finnish soldiers carried various different knives They even made their own knives and sheaths. Aluminium and Plexiglas from downed aircraft were popular materials for making knife sheaths.Trench art was quite a popular pass time for Finns in the Winter War.
Finnish soldiers always have used their own knives but there are and were many knife manufacturers making knives for different units. The Lynx will certainly have been carried by many in the winter war.
Thank you for your comment and for watching. Always great to hear from you Heiko.
The ferrule on the older knife is about twice as long and significantly tapered. Why would the design have been like this? It looks to me that butts of all of these puukkot have an iconic Lynx shape. Thank you for showing these comparisons! Up the Rhinos!
I don't know if there is any real reason for the differences other than puukko fashion. I do have other puukkos from the same period in time, with similar ferrules.
Thanks for watching buddy.
You will never walk alone.
Awesome knives !
Thank you my friend.
Beautiful brother.😊👍🔪🔪🔪🤘
Cheers mate, nice to have one of the originals.
@@KuukkeliBushcraft yeah man. Very Cool.
You live in Finland?
That's right up in Finnish Lapland in the far north. Beautiful part of the world.
my Lynx unfortunately turned out to be so soft its unusable for any kind of serious work including carvings. the edge tends to roll and bend from carving anything. let alone light batoning
That's really bad. Marttiini do have soft steels in general. But hardly unusable. It sounds to me like something went wrong with the heat treatment in production.
Have you tried to contact the company?
Old video, but an ageless topic, so...
While the aesthetics are usually more to my liking too on older puukkos and knives in general, I think the modern ones tend to work a bit better for most tasks I use a puukko/knife for. No major difference really with makers/brands like Marttiini, but still.
Good video anyway 👍
Thank you for watching some of my older videos. I have been doing this for about 3 years now so there are plenty of them. As for if the newer Puukos function better for most tasks that actually sounds like an interesting topic for a video. I will have a think about that.
Thanks again.
Nice 👍
Thanks buddy.
Interesting
I've seen a knife like this
There was quite a lot of them about. Seems to have always been a popular model the Lynx.
Thanks for watching Mike.
sharp as hell, and that's the point
I have a couple of Marttiini's. Shame you can't wear them in public. For self defense, obviously.
They do come seriously sharp. Thanks for watching mate. I like to avoid the public, that way I can carry my Marttiinis😂
That massive finger groove just pisses me of. Why not just grind it down to the tang so that it's no longer possible to have a proper grip. Good thing they make those without the groove.
I agree the groove really doesn't help with anything but just makes the knife a little less comfortable to use. I should get it on the belt sander and remove it really. I saw a video where someone did just that to the same knife.
Thanks for watching
@@KuukkeliBushcraft did he reduce the groove and fill the remaining mark with glue dust filler? Or did he just turn it into toothpick.
@@ReasonAboveEverything toothpick 🤣