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  • @rogerweaver7686
    @rogerweaver7686 Рік тому +124

    The stars and hearts get a big no from me, but not my house...

    • @shanew7361
      @shanew7361 Рік тому +1

      I agree ugly as hell.

    • @ryanprellwitz8565
      @ryanprellwitz8565 Рік тому +17

      All that money can’t buy taste.

    • @dukedude220
      @dukedude220 Рік тому +8

      Yeah I agree. How about some wrought iron ?

    • @xGHxMAN15
      @xGHxMAN15 Рік тому +12

      @@dukedude220 yes black iron spindles would look great too. This just looks tacky.

    • @RamblinRoadies
      @RamblinRoadies Рік тому +2

      It's a NO for me too. 👎

  • @Fedgery007
    @Fedgery007 Рік тому +22

    When you’re dealing with Brent Hull you’re playing in the big leagues. You better bring your A game!

  • @MaydaysCustomWoodworks
    @MaydaysCustomWoodworks Рік тому +1

    Nicely done. I did a job very similar to this about 2 years ago out of white oak as well. Something to look out for- the stain never effects the wood and the putty the same... You can always somewhat see the putty. So I personally deliver these projects with no putty and recommend that they fully stain and coat the job first, then use a "post-finishing" oil based putty to get the color perfect according to the final color. Especially with white oak, which has so much variance... They are likely going to have to get 3 or 4 different shades of their finishing putty to make it look right.
    Of course, the best choice is simply to find ways not to put holes into the stair treads like creative clamping and gluing.

  • @mcarendt
    @mcarendt Рік тому +51

    Beautiful stairs, but those might be the most painfully ugly balusters I’ve ever seen. They look like something a little kid would ask for. To each their own, but I can’t imagine thinking they look fitting of the rest of the house, let alone “nice.”

    • @taylormedia1000
      @taylormedia1000 Рік тому +2

      You have to consider that you'll be living in this home/investment for a very very long time. This is much more than pink for girls and blue for boys

    • @GarrisonFall
      @GarrisonFall Рік тому +8

      For me, the best 'adjustment' for the hearts and stars will be to get rid of them altogether. They belong in a cheap 'theme' family restaurant or fast food chain. As you say though, "to each their own".

    • @mcarendt
      @mcarendt Рік тому +1

      @@taylormedia1000 huh?

    • @carlk2193
      @carlk2193 Рік тому

      Stars don't work with hearts for me stars kind of vane

    • @taylormedia1000
      @taylormedia1000 Рік тому

      Isn't it wonderful to hide behind a computer screen and write rude comments presumably you'd never say to someone in person but then again, “you might be rude enough to say them?”

  • @mrmelanson34
    @mrmelanson34 Рік тому +5

    I helped build the three sided dovetail there. Nice to see we've worked on the same site. Cheers!

  • @yohanathandowns9057
    @yohanathandowns9057 Рік тому +7

    Another option would be to close up the gaps a bit with the thicker poplar, but when you go to cut the shapes, account for the spacing and template the cutout accounting for the gap. Won't quit be half a shape on each Ballister, probably close to 3/8 of the shape on each side and the difference is made up in the spacing. It would give the shapes a better...... shape. Center a full template of tue stars and hearts on the already spaced ballisters.
    I love treading and trimming stairs. It's the most rewarding finish work iv done to date

    • @theluddite
      @theluddite Рік тому

      100% agree on the shape cutout. They will look more natural.

  • @mikeyfortoday
    @mikeyfortoday Рік тому +1

    I’ve been subscribed to your channel for ages, having Brent Hull here as well has been awesome. Thank you!

  • @traillesstravelled7901
    @traillesstravelled7901 Рік тому +2

    Haven't seen the channel in a bit.
    Always amazed at much you've progressed over the years. It's awesome to your growth.

  • @xavytex
    @xavytex Рік тому +30

    Never easy to know where you’re going when the client has bad taste… Our job is much easier when the design makes sense.
    Regardless, keep up the good work !

  • @Merrowjake84
    @Merrowjake84 Рік тому +2

    On your jack miters where you put your biscuits, traditionally you also do a return miter into the riser instead of a straight cut, it helps run the grain around and looks tight. You do great work . 👍

  • @peterwooldridge7285
    @peterwooldridge7285 Рік тому +10

    How come the architect isn't designing and specifying the stairs?

  • @HBSuccess
    @HBSuccess Рік тому +2

    Richard use MDF for mock-ups whenever you can instead of expensive hardwood. You can provide finish samples of various wood/stain/paint etc the client can see - they’re reusable job after job

  • @JoshWrightWoodworking
    @JoshWrightWoodworking Рік тому +2

    I did not like the stars and heart design when I first saw it in the last video but now seeing it in the rustic barn setting it makes alot more sense. great work as always!

    • @DrewMtl
      @DrewMtl Рік тому +4

      Nah it still looks hokey.

    • @JoshWrightWoodworking
      @JoshWrightWoodworking Рік тому

      @@DrewMtl to each their own🤷... either way, he's just doin what the customer wanted

    • @DrewMtl
      @DrewMtl Рік тому +1

      @@JoshWrightWoodworking Yes, but he suspects they are going to want wider balusters, so why not make them as well and show the difference? And impress every one with his hard work and options.

    • @JoshWrightWoodworking
      @JoshWrightWoodworking Рік тому

      @@DrewMtl ok

  • @jefferyholland
    @jefferyholland Рік тому

    I made those treads many times in the field. I always used returns on the nosing instead of rounding them over and most of the ones I did we used mitered brackets on the skirt matched up with the riser. Interesting pickets and I think after the rail and newel is one it would look good in that house.

  • @seanpopecoffey1340
    @seanpopecoffey1340 7 місяців тому

    It’s cool to see you take that in. To listen, examine, struggle through it. Hull is a master. What a gift it is to have your ass handed to you by a master. That’s what craftsmanship is. What art is: Giving a big, long beautiful shit and failing. Once the learning stops you’re dead. And that’s the way it should be.

  • @TheVideoGameVault
    @TheVideoGameVault Рік тому +2

    It's cool to see the revisions on a project

  • @dusty7264
    @dusty7264 Рік тому +3

    Tread’s look pretty good, I might suggest rough sawn for the balusters? I have built lots of staircase’s including, free standing spiral staircase’s. I hope you guys get the job. I worked for Artistic Stairs for a while and the tread’s are similar to the way we made them

  • @chrisfirefly1
    @chrisfirefly1 Рік тому +15

    I wish I could afford to hire Brent Hull! Encyclopedic knowledge historic architecture, and a cool dude

  • @Castrillo05
    @Castrillo05 Рік тому +1

    Looks great 👍🏼 , you did everything right , that job is yours!!!!

  • @newbutthunt
    @newbutthunt Рік тому

    Even added drone footage b-role. flippin mint.

  • @MarkZart
    @MarkZart Рік тому +26

    Yeah, no. Those balusters 🥴 You and Brent need to gang up on the owner(s) and explain to them, a nice civil baluster intervention. Keep us posted Richard. Hope they give you all you can handle on this job. It needs your expertise 👍

    • @rootvalley2
      @rootvalley2 Рік тому

      I like the railing I’m designing something similar for my own house, interesting I never even realized someone else would see it differently, it’s something you would see in 1890’s

    • @AsHellBored
      @AsHellBored Рік тому +3

      I agree, I want to see them bust out the lathe and turn some legit old school balusters. The hearts and stars are like 8 year old kids play house trim.

    • @anthonys7534
      @anthonys7534 Рік тому

      My neighbor just ripped out her old deck and stairs from 30 years ago. It had the same ugly heart designs!!! Yuck

  • @jefftawney6906
    @jefftawney6906 11 місяців тому

    Where do you get those clips to hold the corners?

  • @reactioncafe2373
    @reactioncafe2373 Рік тому +5

    I was waiting for a reveal at the end that this was a joke, or maybe that they were going in a kids playhouse or something. There must have been a miscommunication with that baluster concept. No way that is what the customer envisioned.

  • @rickcimino5483
    @rickcimino5483 Рік тому +5

    I hope they are paying you for the mock up process.

  • @MiloPerrotti
    @MiloPerrotti Рік тому

    What are those clip/clamps you use I did not see them in your amazon list or a link? If anyone know pls help. Thanks

  • @joelw6215
    @joelw6215 Рік тому +1

    I digging that drone footage when you pulled in. I mean it really made the ol dodge look pretty BA

  • @djsgamingnight150
    @djsgamingnight150 Рік тому

    Love the drone shots bro u guys are getting professional with it...

  • @EvanarProductions
    @EvanarProductions Рік тому +1

    I like the emphasis you put on them being NEW treads😎

  • @brentboerner6907
    @brentboerner6907 Рік тому +4

    Glued on cross grain end will be a problem if humidity changes as either tread will crack or end will break off. Need to allow for movement

    • @shanew7361
      @shanew7361 Рік тому +1

      Someone with a brain!

    • @rgtn2441
      @rgtn2441 Рік тому +1

      Glad to know we have some real woodworkers on this thread!

  • @Paul-jp8zz
    @Paul-jp8zz Рік тому +1

    You're gonna have issues with those mitered returns being glued up cross-grain to the tread. As those wide treads expand and contract the corner will open/lift.

  • @dagwood1327
    @dagwood1327 Рік тому +9

    I was surprised when you turned the stairs in as a sample on the last video. The hearts and stars look a little DIY crafty. Not to your usual standards. If this was a requested design I would have declined.

    • @Max-hw6lv
      @Max-hw6lv Рік тому +1

      Is it common to have a carpenter build a full sample like this? Or only on super high end projects? I can't imagine asking someone to build that for me in advance, but I suppose if I had piles of money, why not.

    • @dagwood1327
      @dagwood1327 Рік тому +2

      @@Max-hw6lv I never had to build a sample like that. Usually on a job that size there is an architect that makes design decisions. If you can build off of blueprints it is just a matter of them seeing some of your previous work. The problem as I see it is a mixing of styles. Rustic and whatever the stars and heart slats are.

  • @MrRadtech22
    @MrRadtech22 Рік тому +7

    I like the stairs.. but their desire of the stars and hearts kills it for me. No ty

  • @Trumptrain2024FJB
    @Trumptrain2024FJB Рік тому +4

    It's funny to see a trim guy do stair work! All your techniques are not how the pros build stairs! Reminds me of when you tried to do hardwood floors! It ain't easy

  • @ryandennis6504
    @ryandennis6504 Рік тому

    Definitely wider balusters for better continuity of the shapes and perhaps a small 1/8"-1/4" chamfer on all the baluster edges (except where the shapes are cut out) to add a little more polish to the look.

  • @topknotchtom
    @topknotchtom Рік тому +6

    A balustrade with stars.
    You are building a stairway to heaven.
    It could be heaven or it could be Hull.

  • @coreyhol
    @coreyhol Рік тому

    Randon ? whats the model of the 18 gauge mailer you have? Any problems ?

  • @RafaelGamer43210
    @RafaelGamer43210 Рік тому +1

    Lindo trabajo .... Cómo siempre Master!!! N

  • @anibaljrbalt
    @anibaljrbalt Рік тому

    I like the hearts and stars especially if that element is picked up in the house somewhere else. Closing up the spacing on them will make them look good 👍 👌

  • @ralphiewigs2208
    @ralphiewigs2208 Рік тому +5

    You don't have trouble with the tread return glued across the grain of the tread?

    • @rgtn2441
      @rgtn2441 Рік тому +2

      Glad someone is paying attention

  • @Theforestcarpenter
    @Theforestcarpenter Рік тому +1

    Ah man you boys must be loving life... driving round in a 4x4 with a drone and working on real nice projects 👍

  • @mackwoodcock7484
    @mackwoodcock7484 Рік тому +3

    You need a van big time. It will change your life

  • @Discovery123.
    @Discovery123. Рік тому

    Brent: Reject! Go back to the drawing board. 😂

  • @joe-say-did-it6201
    @joe-say-did-it6201 Рік тому

    you can buy treads and returns at local hardwood flooring supply house.

  • @MrMonsie
    @MrMonsie Рік тому

    Loved the way you used your DroidCam.

  • @ericbarker1893
    @ericbarker1893 Рік тому

    I have never seen the spring style clamps you used on the mitered pieces you put on the treads. They seemed to be very handy!

    • @domlaw1035
      @domlaw1035 Рік тому

      Collins Miter Spring Clamps - I've got a set. Pretty nifty but a little spendy.

  • @scottmcfarland1177
    @scottmcfarland1177 Рік тому +1

    Maybe put a small piece to bridge the gap at the stars and Hearts! The design fits in with the Barn look for sure! Don't feel bad I've seen many mock up's get shot down even by the designer came up with the idea! Idea's on paper do not always translate the same in reality!

  • @Tool_Addicted_Carpenter
    @Tool_Addicted_Carpenter Рік тому

    I shoot my tread returns on as well but I do a small pilot hole to guide the nail. All it takes is some tough grain to send your nail through the top of your new tread.

    • @rgtn2441
      @rgtn2441 Рік тому

      I’m assuming you haven’t revisited your stair jobs . Those mitered end caps always fail. That joint always opens . I’ll bullnose the end grain all day every day

    • @Tool_Addicted_Carpenter
      @Tool_Addicted_Carpenter Рік тому +1

      @@rgtn2441 Mitered returns are common practice in any high end home in my area. The only ones I've seen fail are the premade ones from the box stores. I don't use those so I haven't had any issues.

    • @edmessina8392
      @edmessina8392 Рік тому

      @@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter I do a lot of restoration work in a civil war era small town and as far back as the 1850s, better homes had the mitered returns. I haven't run into a failure yet other than treads then were often too shallow and the risers too steep. The joinery has withstood the test of time.

    • @edmessina8392
      @edmessina8392 Рік тому

      the mitered returns were necessary too as they provided cover for the hand dovetailed balustrades.

    • @Tool_Addicted_Carpenter
      @Tool_Addicted_Carpenter Рік тому +1

      @@edmessina8392 Exactly. I've never seen bull nose routs. Always formal returns. Mahogany, oak, maple, yellow pine. No failures.

  • @DoraDominguezCarey
    @DoraDominguezCarey Рік тому

    Mr. Lone Star Restoration, Brent Hull. He knows his stuff.

  • @Acesnickvlc
    @Acesnickvlc Рік тому +1

    The ballisters wouldn’t pass where I am. Inspectors want 3.5” or less all the way through. Don’t care what a customer wants.

  • @_J.F_
    @_J.F_ Рік тому +3

    The whole heart and star thing is just not a suitable design for this kind of barn but the sort of thing you would expect to see in a child's bedroom. Either way, if the customer pays then the customer gets to decide, so fair enough.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 Рік тому

      They have been used for thousands of years in buildings.

  • @gdsstudio974
    @gdsstudio974 Рік тому +1

    I'm surprised they built that silo practically in front of one of the dormers.

  • @Peterbsullivan
    @Peterbsullivan Рік тому

    Good Luck! You got this!

  • @rgtn2441
    @rgtn2441 Рік тому +3

    Your boy Brent is way off on the end grain . By adding the end cap your creating a week joint and over time it will open and you’ll always see the seem . Your glueing 12” of end grain to long grain . The tread will expand and the joint will fail . Seen it many times . Breadboard ends on a table is a good example . The tenon is only glued on the center and elongated dowels are added to hold it together when the glue ultimately fails . That’s why you typically see a chamfer at the joint to conceal the joint if it opens . If it’s specked by an architect do it and get paid . But as a woodworker he should know better.

    • @FinishCarpentryTV
      @FinishCarpentryTV  Рік тому +3

      The examples he showed me for the mitered tread returns were in houses that were about 100 years old and they still looked nice and tight. I don’t know if they used something better than biscuits though.

  • @rjthomasindyusa
    @rjthomasindyusa Рік тому

    Can you get the hearts and stars CNC cut?

  • @moneymakingmikeg.9555
    @moneymakingmikeg.9555 Рік тому +2

    When you write driving put to the Ranch I had a flashback to 2 Guns movie when they abducted the Cartel Boss & drove off road with him in the bed or the truck!!😂👍👍 Hoping all is well Bud, Dirty Jersey out!!

  • @andrewschafer8986
    @andrewschafer8986 Рік тому

    We’ll done. Professional customer service

  • @diegofernandez6116
    @diegofernandez6116 Рік тому +3

    I wouldn't have submitted that tbh. Or at least given them an alternative with the bigger boards or designs accounted for the spacing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @HeyMichaelLeo
    @HeyMichaelLeo Рік тому +1

    Have you tried hot glue with Gorilla glue sticks. Seems to be working really well for me and a lot less nailing.

  • @davidperalta5280
    @davidperalta5280 Рік тому

    Reason why the heart works and the star doesn't... The "absent" space in the heart shape can still be completed to form the outline of a heart and preserve proportion. The star on the other hand doesn't, since a star is 5 diamonds EQUAL in shape and rotated in 75 degree intervals. The separation/negative causes the 1, 3 , 4 diamonds to be equal but bigger than 2, 5 and distorts the underlying diamond shapes. Why not put the shapes within the pickets? Easier to router with a template and router bit with bearing. Finish off round corners with a chisel.

  • @bsmbB
    @bsmbB Рік тому +1

    Maybe make some cedar inserts for the shapes the stars gonna look weird no matter what unless you put an insert *or any contrasting wood

  • @nevermindthebull0cks
    @nevermindthebull0cks Рік тому

    I think maybe metal railing would look the least bulky.
    That glue and sawdust you filled those gaps with, do you have a trick to make it take stain like normal wood?
    I have never been very happy with the results when I have done it.

  • @Sans_Solo_
    @Sans_Solo_ Рік тому +1

    Don't think Brent Hull has a single thing on Richard M. Manion Architecture....Classical at it's finest

  • @jeradmiller4575
    @jeradmiller4575 Рік тому +6

    I'm surprised they didn't ask for a full mock-up with banister, posts and wider pickets.

    • @DrewMtl
      @DrewMtl Рік тому +5

      I'm surprised he didn't provide it himself. Already one rejection go a step beyond the second time.

    • @jeradmiller4575
      @jeradmiller4575 Рік тому +1

      @@DrewMtl my thoughts exactly.

  • @brianwski4236
    @brianwski4236 Рік тому

    Is Risinger Homes showing off this home also? Just watched a video from his channel that looked the same.

  • @dozenfaun
    @dozenfaun Рік тому +1

    Put biscuits, use the fancy clamp.. then.. nail using what seems to be huge 16g nails 🙄 there is no need for that big nail, a 23g nailer with 1.5" or a simple piece of tape is sufficient.. it's just to "hold in place" by the time the glue does its job.. and you even have already 2 biscuits..

  • @hernebaybob
    @hernebaybob Рік тому

    All this inch talk messes with my head 😅

  • @lanad.4647
    @lanad.4647 Рік тому

    Perhaps suggest some handwrought black iron, with hearts and stars in an aged brass metal?

  • @tommychong1173
    @tommychong1173 Рік тому

    Return the overhang also at the back of the trends just like the top for a more finished look

  • @ryananthony4840
    @ryananthony4840 Рік тому

    I really really want a sliding table saw like that

  • @DrDrovel
    @DrDrovel Рік тому

    Awesome work as usual. But those hearts and stars… seriously? 😄

  • @amillionview3
    @amillionview3 Рік тому

    One day i wanna be as good as this guy true trim guy

  • @jimmyz1686
    @jimmyz1686 Рік тому

    Hearts and stars really!!! Is this for a playhouse

  • @andrewnewman2695
    @andrewnewman2695 Рік тому

    Surely those cut outs in the balusters clearly seen in the video around the 6:10 mark, reduce the effective width of the baluster and would be non-compliant?

  • @michaelplays2449
    @michaelplays2449 Рік тому

    Nice work !!

  • @garyconover4422
    @garyconover4422 Рік тому

    Great video!

  • @deemartinez836
    @deemartinez836 Рік тому +8

    The ballistrates are a joke right?

  • @TheAssassin409
    @TheAssassin409 Рік тому +3

    Man, those balusters look like something out of 5-Minute Crafts.

    • @jc2604
      @jc2604 Рік тому +2

      Ya this is tacky as hell.

  • @heystarfish100
    @heystarfish100 Рік тому +2

    I like the stair build but that baluster design sucks. I would rather like to see a nice Texas themed wrought iron balustrade.

  • @adambell2068
    @adambell2068 Рік тому +2

    Good Lord no no no with the stars and hearts. I thought you were joking.

  • @John-cb6wn
    @John-cb6wn Рік тому +2

    Balusters should never be attached with pocket hole screws, stair tread’s should be mortise out to except the balusters not that difficult to accomplish

    • @rgtn2441
      @rgtn2441 Рік тому +1

      Yea I think that was just for the mock up . But agree he shouldn’t have submitted it like that

    • @John-cb6wn
      @John-cb6wn Рік тому +2

      I think if you submitting a mock up it should be a clone to the one you intend to build

  • @zep136
    @zep136 Рік тому

    They sell those treads at Home Depot.

  • @WithThese2Hands
    @WithThese2Hands Рік тому

    That carpenters pencil stressed me out a lil… nothing like finish work with a 1/8” line 😂 I know you know but you know…

  • @DrewMtl
    @DrewMtl Рік тому +4

    WOW I cant believe you didn't pre prep the larger alternative wider balusters. Don't ever expect your clients imagination to know what it could look like. Always show them. You already made Brent look bad once. Your going to risk another rejection when you know it doesn't look 100% When doing sample, don't hold back go above and beyond and show finished alternatives.

    • @jc2604
      @jc2604 Рік тому +2

      I'm afraid you're correct.

  • @MARIOBAHAR69
    @MARIOBAHAR69 Рік тому

    I like your videos sirr i like this ♥️👍👍🇮🇩🇲🇾

  • @raminybhatti5740
    @raminybhatti5740 Рік тому

    This is the Trim Carpentry equivalent of when Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker met Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker. 😅

  • @bighands69
    @bighands69 Рік тому

    Nothing wrong with the first effort but it really comes down to taste.

  • @Pete.Ty1
    @Pete.Ty1 Рік тому

    👍👍👍

  • @covecarpentry
    @covecarpentry Рік тому

    i think i saw matt risinger on this site.

  • @bigsuey
    @bigsuey Рік тому +1

    The oak doesn't look right with the rustic look. I think. Pitch Pine or some nice Douglas Fir for me.

  • @markkoster2847
    @markkoster2847 Рік тому

    As a younger contractor trying to please the more experienced generation, I love the thumbnail

  • @danreese3192
    @danreese3192 Рік тому

    You as a “carpenter” should know basic stair tread configuration. Carpenters have been doing stair treads in that style for over 100 years lol

  • @bobscruggs8886
    @bobscruggs8886 Рік тому

    A silo but no farm land....sure that makes sense !

  • @markthorsen3467
    @markthorsen3467 Рік тому +1

    I'm not sure about face nailing the tread return.

  • @dojahmastah7156
    @dojahmastah7156 Рік тому

    gotta have the drawing lol

  • @hmtrimworks7148
    @hmtrimworks7148 Рік тому

    It’s a “hard no” on the railing “baluStars” for me…
    Looks like something to use on a kids playhouse…
    -Definitely does not go with the rustic beams

  • @beachboardfan9544
    @beachboardfan9544 Рік тому

    Daaamn I'm glad you showed this! Those mitered returns on the treads make a huge difference!!

  • @anthonys7534
    @anthonys7534 Рік тому

    Does this guy sell Dewaukee shirts? I need one for my boss for Christmas

  • @typeaboutit
    @typeaboutit Рік тому +1

    Gluing edge grain to end grain is a no no

  • @albertphillips6125
    @albertphillips6125 Рік тому

    You could set up a jig and cut them all with a router.

  • @GreenAppelPie
    @GreenAppelPie Рік тому

    the interlude with the drone chasing your truck was not needed

    • @domlaw1035
      @domlaw1035 Рік тому +1

      Says who? Illustrates the isolated nature of the landscape where the house is.