I am running one in the front of my jk with 35’s it made some clicking and an occasional bang in the first few hundred miles now it only will click if I am dead lock on the steering wheel. Love my locker! Haven’t needed my winch 1 time since I installed it.
There is about a 600 mile break in period where you can experience a few unusual noises from the locker. It's typically nothing to be concerned about. Glad to hear you love your locker!
Just found this video. I'm looking at getting a Torq locker for the front of my JL Willys. Since I have the LSD rear, I think the Torq front would be a nice upgrade to factory.
We don't have a Jeep JL video of a front and rear locker, but we could shoot one. We don't have a rear locker available for the JL rear axle, but we do have them for older Jeeps.
every jeep ive owned ive installed Aussie Lockers.....current TJ has lockers front and rear, as well as the torq-masters axle shafts. Just bought a JL and ordering front locker for it...cant wait!
Nice! If I had a manual JL could I get away with front and rear Aussie lockers by coasting through corners with the clutch pushed in or is a front lock a better idea? AZ off-roading style. 33’s since it’s a 2 door, maybe, maaaybe 35’s some day.
I have a JL Willy's and am new to lockers, so this would install on the front only? The Willy's has LSD but yesterday I had to back down a snowy trail after losing traction.
After we installed offset wheels, lift kit and larger tires, i.e. changed scrub radius, all the 2wd clicking went away completely. Now if we ever hear it click it's like, woah, I forgot about that!
I have a jeep JK is it nosier since it’s an older model? My jeep came with a lunchbox locker installed already when I bought the jeep unaware of the brand installed but it clicks super loud when doing basic turns Thinking of getting a torq locker instead and see if it makes a difference
Many things external to the locker can cause the locker to be louder in one vehicle vs another vehicle. That's why we shot this video in a stock jeep. After we lifted this jeep and changed wheel offset the clicking in 2wd went away completely.
According to product description.. Full Time 4WD can not be used with a mechanical locker. What is the reason behind this? I would love to install this locker but I have Full time 4WD on my Sahara, I understand I would lose this feature if I install the locker.
Thanks for reaching out. Full time transfer cases are torque sensing, they divert torque to the front or rear axle as needed for slippage. An automatic locker feels like slipping to this type of transfer case. Unfortunately if you install automatic lockers in a full time 4wd vehicle it will be undriveable. If you have 2WD and 4Hi/4Low you can install a locker and not use the Full Time 4WD feature at all. You would use 4Hi as needed in the winter.
So guys took my Jeep out this past weekend I encountered an issue that I’m yet to figure out. About 5 mins into my off roading I came out off a mud hole and my locker began to ratchet repeatedly even when driving strait so I decided to head back to the road once on the road I got up to about 35 and I experienced a loud bang and the ratcheting stopped while driving strait. So I finished the day out with out issue and confirmed that the locker was working. Ever hear of this?
To add to the above I came home rechecked all clearances and they are good it’s like the thing was jammed up or something. It was a loud knocking every rotation of the tire. Then bang it stopped. Didn’t leave me with a confidant feeling the rest of the day I was worried
@Ronny Mark what you are experiencing is definitely not normal. We will need to troubleshoot with you. Please send us an email with any photos you may have taken of the locker installed and we can go from there. Info @ TorqMasters.com
Ronny, any updates to what you experienced? I'm interested in getting a front locker, as I've experienced getting stuck with open axles for the first time. Don't want it to happen again.
A J yes I removed the locker it was really hard on everything. I ended up paying a little more and going with one I could lock and unlock and I’m loving it. The locker we are talking about here is a good locker for off-road use but unfortunately sucks on road. Would not recommend for a daily
No problems going down hill at all. Only thing to note is when all of the weight of the vehicle is on the front axle it may be a bit harder to steer when rock crawling.
I'm considering adding lockers to my Jl after experiencing some slipping in the snow and this seems to be affordable . how Good will this do in the snow ? I also heard it will wear down my tires quicker how true is that ? Please give me pros and cons as I'm really interested in buying this
HI Rickey Thanks for the questions. I'll start with the easy stuff - no the locker won't wear your tires quicker. 2WD daily driving you won't notice the front locker, it will drive and feel just like stock. We don't recommend driving at excessive speed on the roads in snow and ice for general safety reasons, for any vehicle with or without a locker. There is a little bit of a learning curve with lockers, and we always suggest getting it out in a parking lot or safe area first to help get the feel for how the vehicle handles. Every situation is unique based on the vehicle, its wheelbase, it's overall weight, quality and tread of the tires and above all, the driver skill level. Here's a funny first hand view of snowy, icy driving from one of our dealers in Canada. He has front and rear Aussie Lockers and is driving in 4WD. ua-cam.com/video/NsCSYwWH25c/v-deo.html There are a lot of web wheelers out there that say horrible things about automatic lockers, but likely none of them have ever driven in the snow with this style of locker. I typically say don't drive over 45 mph in 4WD with a front locker, but at that speed or faster you really don't need 4WD. Around town to get bread and milk before a nor-easter in 6" of snow, 4WD is just fine. A rear locker does great in the snow, the added traction makes 4WD less necessary. Bleeping Jeep snow driving with a front TORQ Locker Review instagram.com/p/BsTgxcjjgGF/?igshid=9sb5bhxp4a7n&fbclid=IwAR30S991mnr5xA-jf2u1WkHh9Jvd2xNCMWwFXWlz8E4l6K6yGe62VSBN20M
Hi Matt, The locker only ratchets on super tight slow turns, you kind of have to try to make it ratchet to actually hear it. To us and many of our customers it's not a big deal, but we want you to be aware the locker can click and you may hear it once and a while. When our JL was stock I heard the locker maybe once a day while running errands and making multiple stops around town. Once we put on larger, wider tires and offset wheels we don't hear it anymore. This video was shot with completely stock JL, except for the front axle TORQ Locker. The weight of the vehicle and the fact that 1 axle (drivers side) is always spinning in the differential (no lock out hubs), contributes to the clicking. The previous model Wrangler, the JK, also heard some clicking in 2wd when making super tight, slow turns. A side note, you don't need lock out hubs to run a front mechanical locker.... and to answer your last question, any mechanical locker will make some clicking in the front of a JL (when other brands release a locker for this differential). To make a non-clicking locker you would need to install a Selectable Locker which would be about $1,000 or more more with install. Our business model has always been to provide the highest quality, made in the USA, super reliable, easy to install, affordable lockers.
@@TorqMastersIndustries Thanks...Do you think the larger tires/offset wheels simply drown out the occasional click due to louder tire noise or stop the clicking altogether? Secondly, what wheels/larger tires did you go to? Thanks again!
@@Strizzle81 scrub radius is different when you widen the vehicle, and it helps with the occasional click. We are running 35" Milestar Patagonia tires (and love them on and offroad), with 3.75" offset Raceline Monster Beadlock Wheels.
The FAD system still works in 2wd. In 4wd you have a true locker in the front axle to help get you through the trails. FAD is not affected by the locker.
Small world....I recognized everything in the back ground of the video! Are you located in or near Victor?! Was looking at locker options for the JL and came across the video but couldn’t get past fact that we everything looked vaguely familiar. I’m about 45 minutes away in Finger Lakes
That's funny! You are 100% Correct - we started at East View Mall in Victor, then headed south to Naples for some dirt roads! Just an update on the locker - we've lifted the JL 2.5", added 35" tires on slightly offset wheels and we no longer hear any clicking in 2wd in tight turns.
Haha yes I was sure that was Eastview Mall, Victor DD, and also Naples by all the windmills. Was in Naples two weeks ago after looking at a new JL! What rear traction device are you running? The stock LSD? I’m ordering a 2019 sport and trying decide if I want buy a open M220 and do a rear locker, or just get the Trac-Lok. After I commented I saw the updates to the Jeep on FB. How are you liking the Clayton? I’m torn between them, Rock Krawler and Metal Cloak. Are the Monster bead-locks the 8.5” wide with 4.75” back spacing? Knew I would be wanting a front locker for the JL and you seem be the only other option outside of ARB for the front. Love how local you guys are, maybe I’ll see the Jeep around.
@@91lrrrc Great questions. We have the track lok rear in our JL, we won't be making a rear locker because of the traction control system - they don't like mechanical lockers. For us, mild lift, 35" tires, TORQ Locker in the front, Track Lok in the rear - this is about as far as we are going to build the JL. We have a buggy and a build LJ for the really hard stuff. We run Clayton on everything we can, they are the best in the business in our opinion. You are correct on the Racelines. We don't really need bead locks, but we do go out into very remote places so it's a nice piece of mind. You will probably see us around, please make sure to wave!!!
Nice video this product looks great. May l ask what kind of install time would l be expecting from a sbop on a Sport.JL? 5 hrs or so? Also what upgrades would you recommend getting done while the locker is being installed that l could get done to save on labor since it will be opened up? Thanks!
the law in the US says: if the installed aftermarket part directly contributes to the failure of the part you are trying to warranty then yes you voided your warranty. if the part is NOT impacting and leading to the break, then no you will not void your warranty. agree to ask your dealer the risks before any invasive install.
We currently only have a TORQ Locker for the front axle of the new Jeep Wrangler JL. For older Jeeps we have Aussie Lockers, TORQ Lockers for front and rear applications. As to which one is better, Front or Rear Locker, that's kind of like the chicken before the egg conversation, there's lots of opinions out there, here's ours: A front Aussie Locker in a Jeep will still drive like stock in 2wd, and will operate normally in 4wd. Gives you that added boost when off-road. With a front Locker use caution in 4wd on icy road conditions. Reduce Speeds! Just takes practice to understand how a locked differential reacts. Rear Aussie locker, the more throttle applied, the more it locks up. For a vehicle that sees more off-road use than on, this is what I prefer. There is a slight learning curve for newer drivers with manual transmissions, but it's super easy. A rear locker is fine for Daily Driver use. It will make an audible ratchet noise when negotiating tight turns, but that can be lessened with a thick diff cover and heavy weight gear oil. A rear locker will get you further in most scenarios than front only in our opinion.
@@WranglerAddiction we are not likely to develop a rear locker for the JL due to their traction control systems. In the 2012 and newer JK's, with Automatic Transmissions, you can't run a rear automatic locker, the vehicle goes into limp mode. However, it's not an issue with Manual Transmissions or front axle applications, for either transmission types.
I am running one in the front of my jk with 35’s it made some clicking and an occasional bang in the first few hundred miles now it only will click if I am dead lock on the steering wheel. Love my locker! Haven’t needed my winch 1 time since I installed it.
There is about a 600 mile break in period where you can experience a few unusual noises from the locker. It's typically nothing to be concerned about. Glad to hear you love your locker!
Just found this video. I'm looking at getting a Torq locker for the front of my JL Willys. Since I have the LSD rear, I think the Torq front would be a nice upgrade to factory.
The TORQ Locker up front and the factory LSD in the rear is a great combo! That's what we have in our JL.
Do you have a vid with a Torq front and rear?
We don't have a Jeep JL video of a front and rear locker, but we could shoot one. We don't have a rear locker available for the JL rear axle, but we do have them for older Jeeps.
@@corajokinen253 i have an XJ amyway
every jeep ive owned ive installed Aussie Lockers.....current TJ has lockers front and rear, as well as the torq-masters axle shafts. Just bought a JL and ordering front locker for it...cant wait!
That is awesome to hear John! You are going to love the JL!
Nice! If I had a manual JL could I get away with front and rear Aussie lockers by coasting through corners with the clutch pushed in or is a front lock a better idea? AZ off-roading style. 33’s since it’s a 2 door, maybe, maaaybe 35’s some day.
Just what I have been looking for my JKU Dana 30.
I have a JL Willy's and am new to lockers, so this would install on the front only? The Willy's has LSD but yesterday I had to back down a snowy trail after losing traction.
Great video. I was really on the fence but this has definitely changed my mind.
After we installed offset wheels, lift kit and larger tires, i.e. changed scrub radius, all the 2wd clicking went away completely. Now if we ever hear it click it's like, woah, I forgot about that!
Would this decrease your mpg with diff's always locked? Or is the difference negible?
In 2WD a front locker is not engaged and can spin freely as needed. There is no difference in MPG's
Hopefully the JT version will release soon!
I have a jeep JK is it nosier since it’s an older model?
My jeep came with a lunchbox locker installed already when I bought the jeep unaware of the brand installed but it clicks super loud when doing basic turns
Thinking of getting a torq locker instead and see if it makes a difference
Many things external to the locker can cause the locker to be louder in one vehicle vs another vehicle. That's why we shot this video in a stock jeep. After we lifted this jeep and changed wheel offset the clicking in 2wd went away completely.
According to product description.. Full Time 4WD can not be used with a mechanical locker. What is the reason behind this? I would love to install this locker but I have Full time 4WD on my Sahara, I understand I would lose this feature if I install the locker.
Thanks for reaching out. Full time transfer cases are torque sensing, they divert torque to the front or rear axle as needed for slippage. An automatic locker feels like slipping to this type of transfer case. Unfortunately if you install automatic lockers in a full time 4wd vehicle it will be undriveable. If you have 2WD and 4Hi/4Low you can install a locker and not use the Full Time 4WD feature at all. You would use 4Hi as needed in the winter.
If I were to regear my JLW to 4.56 gears, would I still be able to run this locker?
Yes you would be able to, this style locker replaces the spider gears in the carrier which has no real effect on what gear ratio you want to run.
Yes. Our locker style is independent of gear ratio. You can run our locker with any gear ratio.
So guys took my Jeep out this past weekend I encountered an issue that I’m yet to figure out. About 5 mins into my off roading I came out off a mud hole and my locker began to ratchet repeatedly even when driving strait so I decided to head back to the road once on the road I got up to about 35 and I experienced a loud bang and the ratcheting stopped while driving strait. So I finished the day out with out issue and confirmed that the locker was working. Ever hear of this?
To add to the above I came home rechecked all clearances and they are good it’s like the thing was jammed up or something. It was a loud knocking every rotation of the tire. Then bang it stopped. Didn’t leave me with a confidant feeling the rest of the day I was worried
@Ronny Mark what you are experiencing is definitely not normal. We will need to troubleshoot with you. Please send us an email with any photos you may have taken of the locker installed and we can go from there. Info @ TorqMasters.com
Ronny, any updates to what you experienced? I'm interested in getting a front locker, as I've experienced getting stuck with open axles for the first time. Don't want it to happen again.
A J yes I removed the locker it was really hard on everything. I ended up paying a little more and going with one I could lock and unlock and I’m loving it. The locker we are talking about here is a good locker for off-road use but unfortunately sucks on road. Would not recommend for a daily
@@kmdvideos8208 Got it. Thanks for your quick reply.
Will it work with command-trac 4x4 system?
Is there any problem going downhill off-road?
No problems going down hill at all. Only thing to note is when all of the weight of the vehicle is on the front axle it may be a bit harder to steer when rock crawling.
Thank you! I will be getting one soon!
I'm considering adding lockers to my Jl after experiencing some slipping in the snow and this seems to be affordable . how Good will this do in the snow ?
I also heard it will wear down my tires quicker how true is that ? Please give me pros and cons as I'm really interested in buying this
HI Rickey
Thanks for the questions. I'll start with the easy stuff - no the locker won't wear your tires quicker.
2WD daily driving you won't notice the front locker, it will drive and feel just like stock.
We don't recommend driving at excessive speed on the roads in snow and ice for general safety reasons, for any vehicle with or without a locker. There is a little bit of a learning curve with lockers, and we always suggest getting it out in a parking lot or safe area first to help get the feel for how the vehicle handles. Every situation is unique based on the vehicle, its wheelbase, it's overall weight, quality and tread of the tires and above all, the driver skill level.
Here's a funny first hand view of snowy, icy driving from one of our dealers in Canada. He has front and rear Aussie Lockers and is driving in 4WD.
ua-cam.com/video/NsCSYwWH25c/v-deo.html
There are a lot of web wheelers out there that say horrible things about automatic lockers, but likely none of them have ever driven in the snow with this style of locker. I typically say don't drive over 45 mph in 4WD with a front locker, but at that speed or faster you really don't need 4WD. Around town to get bread and milk before a nor-easter in 6" of snow, 4WD is just fine. A rear locker does great in the snow, the added traction makes 4WD less necessary.
Bleeping Jeep snow driving with a front TORQ Locker Review
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@@corajokinen253 thanks for answering my concerns and easing some fears
Can you put the locker in front and rear axles?
Yes, but it depends which vehicle. What year make and model do you have?
Do you have a video of daily driving with one of your automatic lockers on the rear diff of a full-time 4wd?
HI Robbie!
We do not recommend installing an automatic locker in a full time 4WD vehicle. Your best option is a selectable.
@@TorqMastersIndustries is that why there are 4wd to 2wd switch converter kits for land cruisers?
Jeep jt with max tow option? Like nobody offering it. We have 32 spline i think. Rubicon is 35 so we are screwed 😞
We are working on the variety of new Jeep JL and JT axles right now. Should have TORQ Lockers this year.
Any idea on why it ratchets while in 2wd? Are there plans to release one that doesn't make any noise in 2wd?
Hi Matt, The locker only ratchets on super tight slow turns, you kind of have to try to make it ratchet to actually hear it. To us and many of our customers it's not a big deal, but we want you to be aware the locker can click and you may hear it once and a while. When our JL was stock I heard the locker maybe once a day while running errands and making multiple stops around town. Once we put on larger, wider tires and offset wheels we don't hear it anymore. This video was shot with completely stock JL, except for the front axle TORQ Locker. The weight of the vehicle and the fact that 1 axle (drivers side) is always spinning in the differential (no lock out hubs), contributes to the clicking. The previous model Wrangler, the JK, also heard some clicking in 2wd when making super tight, slow turns. A side note, you don't need lock out hubs to run a front mechanical locker.... and to answer your last question, any mechanical locker will make some clicking in the front of a JL (when other brands release a locker for this differential). To make a non-clicking locker you would need to install a Selectable Locker which would be about $1,000 or more more with install. Our business model has always been to provide the highest quality, made in the USA, super reliable, easy to install, affordable lockers.
@@TorqMastersIndustries Thanks...Do you think the larger tires/offset wheels simply drown out the occasional click due to louder tire noise or stop the clicking altogether? Secondly, what wheels/larger tires did you go to? Thanks again!
@@Strizzle81 scrub radius is different when you widen the vehicle, and it helps with the occasional click. We are running 35" Milestar Patagonia tires (and love them on and offroad), with 3.75" offset Raceline Monster Beadlock Wheels.
You mentioned heavier gear oil could help with the noise. What do you recommend? I am currently using 85W-140 in my 2000 TJ with Dana 30/44 combo...
Hi Josh - we recommend 85W-140 conventional
Hi, do you make a torq locker for front M210 (dana 44, 32 spline) of a 2021 jeep gladiator JT? I couldn't find it. Thanks
HI Benny - We do not have a locker yet for the M210. We should by the end of the year.
@@TorqMastersIndustries excellent, thank you
How does the effect the Front Axel Disconnect (FAD) system? Does the FAD still work?
The FAD system still works in 2wd. In 4wd you have a true locker in the front axle to help get you through the trails. FAD is not affected by the locker.
good to know, thanks
Small world....I recognized everything in the back ground of the video! Are you located in or near Victor?! Was looking at locker options for the JL and came across the video but couldn’t get past fact that we everything looked vaguely familiar. I’m about 45 minutes away in Finger Lakes
That's funny! You are 100% Correct - we started at East View Mall in Victor, then headed south to Naples for some dirt roads! Just an update on the locker - we've lifted the JL 2.5", added 35" tires on slightly offset wheels and we no longer hear any clicking in 2wd in tight turns.
Haha yes I was sure that was Eastview Mall, Victor DD, and also Naples by all the windmills. Was in Naples two weeks ago after looking at a new JL! What rear traction device are you running? The stock LSD? I’m ordering a 2019 sport and trying decide if I want buy a open M220 and do a rear locker, or just get the Trac-Lok. After I commented I saw the updates to the Jeep on FB. How are you liking the Clayton? I’m torn between them, Rock Krawler and Metal Cloak. Are the Monster bead-locks the 8.5” wide with 4.75” back spacing? Knew I would be wanting a front locker for the JL and you seem be the only other option outside of ARB for the front. Love how local you guys are, maybe I’ll see the Jeep around.
@@91lrrrc Great questions. We have the track lok rear in our JL, we won't be making a rear locker because of the traction control system - they don't like mechanical lockers. For us, mild lift, 35" tires, TORQ Locker in the front, Track Lok in the rear - this is about as far as we are going to build the JL. We have a buggy and a build LJ for the really hard stuff. We run Clayton on everything we can, they are the best in the business in our opinion. You are correct on the Racelines. We don't really need bead locks, but we do go out into very remote places so it's a nice piece of mind. You will probably see us around, please make sure to wave!!!
Does it work on 2017 jeep jku sport
Yes, part number is TL-13227
Nice video this product looks great. May l ask what kind of install time would l be expecting from a sbop on a Sport.JL? 5 hrs or so? Also what upgrades would you recommend getting done while the locker is being installed that l could get done to save on labor since it will be opened up? Thanks!
HI Michael - Shop install time is about 3 hours. Other upgrades to do during the install is regearing for larger tires.
Will it void my warranty?
Clint you will need to check with your Jeep Dealer, we can not comment on your Jeep warranty.
the law in the US says: if the installed aftermarket part directly contributes to the failure of the part you are trying to warranty then yes you voided your warranty. if the part is NOT impacting and leading to the break, then no you will not void your warranty. agree to ask your dealer the risks before any invasive install.
Is it better to install it in the front?
We currently only have a TORQ Locker for the front axle of the new Jeep Wrangler JL.
For older Jeeps we have Aussie Lockers, TORQ Lockers for front and rear applications.
As to which one is better, Front or Rear Locker, that's kind of like the chicken before the egg conversation, there's lots of opinions out there, here's ours:
A front Aussie Locker in a Jeep will still drive like stock in 2wd, and will operate normally in 4wd. Gives you that added boost when off-road. With a front Locker use caution in 4wd on icy road conditions. Reduce Speeds! Just takes practice to understand how a locked differential reacts.
Rear Aussie locker, the more throttle applied, the more it locks up. For a vehicle that sees more off-road use than on, this is what I prefer. There is a slight learning curve for newer drivers with manual transmissions, but it's super easy. A rear locker is fine for Daily Driver use. It will make an audible ratchet noise when negotiating tight turns, but that can be lessened with a thick diff cover and heavy weight gear oil. A rear locker will get you further in most scenarios than front only in our opinion.
Torq-Masters Industries sounds good , are you guys coming with rear locker anytime soon?
@@WranglerAddiction we are not likely to develop a rear locker for the JL due to their traction control systems. In the 2012 and newer JK's, with Automatic Transmissions, you can't run a rear automatic locker, the vehicle goes into limp mode. However, it's not an issue with Manual Transmissions or front axle applications, for either transmission types.
Torq-Masters Industries thank you for the indo 👍
Does it work with factory carryer 2017
HI Eddy, yes it does. You will need TORQ Locker TL-13227 for your JK.