Ok mate. We can see you’re trying to prove this to be faster than the M3 comp Xdrive. But it’s not! You cannot use the Mercedes 0-100 measuring device on a downhill slope ok. With all the more expensive and so called hi tech engine. It’s clearly still slower than the m3/m4!!
@@kunalmore5212 I don't doubt the 0-60 mph times he's recorded on the MBUX. If you don't believe, check out carwow's review of this car, he shows similar timings as well. In straight line, this is fast as hell. I am not aware of the M3/M4 0-60 times, regardless straight line performance is anyway not a useful indicator in my opinion. There are tons of American cars with great 0-60 times, but can't carry speed around a corner. This could be better on a track than an M3/M4 because of the potent drive train and the traction, but as Raz points out in the video, it lacks the emotion and sensation, hence not the car for me.
@@piyushbansal4433 are you high on something? Because I just read you said it’s going to be better on track compared to the M3/M4?? 🤣🤣🤣. Please I understand the fanboy in you but come on have some reasonableness. 🤣🤣. No amg is going to be better on track than an ///M car. Let’s talk of something apart from that ok? Because that’s just a fact and no point debating on that.
Who gives a shit about an old technology v8 get with the times didn't see anyone getting mad when the bmw dumped the v8 for a straight 6 turbo in the m3
I think the engineers got too caught up in making a technically competent car but forgot that real Amg owners always bought these cars for the emotive and fun element
they had all of covid to figure this out lol they should have at least done a V8 hybrid or a V6 like straight to a V4 just killed it completely. RIP Combustion engines its only going to get worse. Our childhood dream cars will get so expensive & we will have to pay an arm and a leg just to get a V8 or higher if they even make them any more,
Which AMG buyers? Those that bought them for cheap second hand, or those that, speced the car themselves, established a relationship with a dealership and made a down payment, with instalments coming in thereafter? Sorry, but from my experience, I suspect all those whining and crying about this car are the former….
Brain washed by this made up global warming scam made up by the elites to draw more money from the public. I do like the car tho but this nonsense that we are all going to die if we don't change to electric is ridiculous
They didn't forget anything don't fool yourself! They just preparing nations for upcoming electrical car industry. In the future you will not have any chance to drive even like this kinda C63 amg it will be C63 amg but fully electrified without any real sound oder than fake from speakers.
Thanks for being bold and telling it like it is. Lots of sugar coating around this car. The emotion has always been the reason to own a C63. If regulations are forcing you to remove that emotion its not the same car. It can't be. Not knocking this tremendous engineering feat but call the car something else. It isn't a C63.
I'd have put the V8 C63 on a par with Alfa's Giulia QV but now the Alfa is the standout car in a performance landscape becoming denuded of quality performance cars. The QV is my next car that I intend to upgrade to when the lease on my current A45S ends in about 14 months from now.
Let’s be honest, traditionally, the drivers choice was the the M3, the best daily was the RS4, but if you wanted a monster, you went for the C63s. The V8 was the main reason you bought this car, it was what made it unique and unlike anything else in the segment. Also, making a car so much heavier, surely that is not the most environmentally friendly option, especially since the process of making and then disposing of the batteries etc is awful! I dread to think what it’ll be like to run when it’s out of warranty…..
The V8 at this class was pointless. You can buy a car from a class above, also with a V8, with far more power. If pricing is an issue you can obtain the preceeding engine option for the class above, for more or less the same or lower price. E.g the 550i with a V8, or the E53. Alternatively you can wait a year or 2 and the top end M5/E63s are now in the same price range. No brainer.
@@ertugrulbae46it’s simple Brutal 8 cyl Amg > 4 Cyl anything The cars whole identity was the scream of the engine, being able to drift it with ease and just all around a fun car. Now it’s just like everything else… practical and boring. If you wanted a fast 4 cyl you went with a Porsche, the cars lost its identity imo.
The problem of the last years is: First they swapped quality for marketing and service for digital toys. Then they transformed regular cars to an „AMG car“ (A35, C43, E53). And now they change proper AMG cars to regular cars with AMG Badge. Sad times for AMG lovers, sad times for good big engine lovers!
Indeed. A great reviewer called Daniel Kon made a video reviewing the interior quality of the new S class, I was astounded and disappointed. Mercedes seems more style/marketing than substance these days.
Exactly my feelings mate. No wonder one of the top execs resigned from amg due to this capitalisation of the amg name. That car is not a true c63 it’s more like an a45 or a cla45 in a bigger body. Big marketing balls up. I’m going to hang on to my old c63 and watch it increase in value. Regards
Glad you came to this conclusion. As a C63s owner, we all know this isn’t a C63. Hopefully AMG aren’t too angry at you, and if they are the V8s are gone anyway!
You are Spot on. Kinda reminds me of a few years ago when VW replacing the fantastic VR6 from the Golf R with a 4 cylinders. Smoothness and sounds were gone and I defected. Same thing here. I had the original 6.2 C63 and that new 4 cylinders hybrid is a sure way of losing dedicated customers. Cadillac cts-v blackwing anyone?!?
This makes me sad. The first time a C63 has ever invoked that emotion from me. Long live the 6.2 and even the 4.0 TT. U never realize ur in the good old days until they’re gone.
As an owner of a the last V8, I saw this coming. I agree with you it should not have the c63 badge. The looks of this car, they should have have given us 1 last V8. But the good thing is my C63 will increase in value
How do you know your car will increase in value ? Just because it's the last V8? There are plenty of V8s out there that I'm sure will not increase in value over the next few years? What makes the C63S V8 special to the point that it will increase in value?
@@coreypatterson1386 Jesus!, the people who are commenting on your view are not AMG fans or even CarGuys. AMG cars are not just Mercedes Benz cars they far more special, much more. The prices of looked after AMG special; cars like the black Series always go up. The SLS Black Series increase over 300% in my country, And the new Black Series is going for $1 200 000 in my country. The SL black series is about Half a Million. Corey know that his car will increase because is fan of AMG and any CarGuy knows that Special AMG cars always appreciate in price. Especially the Bracy guy, don't know anything about cars. Enjoy your V8 Corey.
Black series are ultra rare limited runs and so they will appreciate. I think the c63s will lose value much slower. Agreed that some fine examples with low mileage may go up a bit, it’s doubtful the situation will ever be as it is with black series. If you’re lucky to own one of these cars, enjoy it. Always a thrill. Well almost, not so it seems in w206.
For me, AMG is all about the experience. Im not talking about lap times, nor how much G-force it can handle in corners. I dont care how fast it goes from 0-100km/h, neither do I even worry about the fuel economy. A real AMG 63 has always been that one special car in every class of MB, the one car that always felt special from the moment you start the engine. It doesn't care about your lap times, it eats rear tires like there is no tomorrow, it literally burns money converting gasolin into loud explosions and it makes a sound that gets every other car manufacturer envious. The new C63s E Performance sure is a great piece of engineering, it's faster, it's more nimble, it's more advanced. But in the process of achieving higher numbers, it has lost its identity, its heritage, its soul. With tears in my eyes, I say goodbye to the V8s. I don't hate you dear young blood, I just hoped the good old days would have lasted a bit longer. Sincerely A real C63 owner
I see your point. Some C63 owners will agree with what you are saying, but soon enough will become accustomed to this change, this c63 will sell just as well as all the others. A lot of C63 owners aren't necessarily enthusiasts but people with money who just want to have a flashy new AMG
@@vxsr33 If they’ve removed all the feelings and made it sterile, what’s the point? The new C63 is competing in a category it can’t win. I can’t believe they didn’t go EV at this point; this car won’t satisfy the AMG crowd and it won’t satisfy the EV crowd.
It’s a car man. Times are changing. You aren’t saying goodbye to your first new born here. Mercedes is having to change with all the regulations going on in the EU, and us as consumers either embrace it or move on to another brand. It’s as simple as that.
Two biggest worst parts are that it has a stupid weird lag when you’re just coasting and go full throttle on the gas. Second also is that if the battery is on low charge you get only 480hp. I would rather have the V8 bi turbo at that point with all 510hp all the time.
But the batteries are constantly charging, and you will never go below 20% even if you are using the electric motor solely, the engine will kick in immediately and will start fast charging the batteries while keeping the motor in use. I don't see the point you made there, the lags might be present, but I'm not sure if they are that noticeable according to 3 different reviews I've watched. I think the big problem is the lack of emotions and identity, as Raz mentioned at the end of the video. Overall it's a decent car, I will personally consider getting one!
My V8 biturbo C63 coupe has 600 hp, revs like a beast and weights 400kg less than a new one! I don't keep additional 80 hp for killing the soul of this car
Include the time of going back and forth to the dealer. This things looks like that Volvo S90 T8. Ask anyone who owned one and the majority will have to admit their car spent most of the time, not at home or on the road.
they said the same for mercedes 190 eveolution,GTR and many more. And it's true but these cars aren't bought for ease of maintenance,cheapt run etc. These are top notch versions. Great for those that can afford them, for the rest of us (well me at least) there's cheaper and less complex models,less performance too but enough to enjoy with.
Don't people literally say that and every top fuckn German car these days? And have for the past few yrs? (As someone correctly said, not even the 190 Evo escaped from said sentence) I fail to see your bloody point m8....generic comment whoring for likes with very little logic behind it. Very much like a reddit post, without the extra text.
Will people be prepared for pay 90+ k for just 4 cylinders though? Especially as you can get an M3 or RS5 for similar money? I wonder if the SL43 will have the same problem too, 100+ k for a 4 cylinder sports car seems too much.
the sl is struggling to be sold no matter the version becase sl 63 is too expensive and power to performance is bad and for the money 911 4 gts is faster and better made and sl43 in my country in capital i know that from the start they sit still for sale no1 bought any from 9 for sale for over 6 months
Thanks for your non biased honest review! It is very sad Mercedes is pushing us either buy a bigger much more expensive vehicle to have the V8 or switch to another brand to have an authenticate sports car.
Its not the fault of Mercedes, it’s only the EU with their pseudo-environmental protection measures. let’s wait for the upcoming M3 is will have the same powertrain strategy Promised 😘 It’s ridiculous, but people accept it. Politics should take decisions and regulation requirements independently of the technology. The best technology wins the competition and that’s it’s carried out by the market.
The prior gen v8 was what got me to fall in love with AMG. This car, while looking gorgeous…it lacks soul. Long term reliability will be a question mark with a 4 cylinder being tuned so hard and the hybrid system. I went with an X3M comp. While the 6 cylinder is no V8, it still has some character.
No one that buys a $100k+ car has issues with the costs of maintenance, or costs after warranty or complexities. I have a 2020 E63s and its rock solid so far, but if something happens after the warranty life, then it is what it is. You can always buy an extended warranty. My advice, dont buy an expensive German super sedan unless you can afford it.
The Germans’ decision to build cars that are unreliable after their warranties expire reflects badly on the original owner generation as well as those who buy used. The car’s resale is practically nil.
Having driven several AMG cars with both a V6 & V8. I always felt the V6 was never a true AMG car. That magical AMG feeling Raz describes here was only available on a V8. The moment I heard the C63 was halved to 4 Cylinders, I instantly knew no matter how much power they squeeze out of that little 4 Banger it will never be the same. Raz has honorably confirmed what most of us had feared. RBR did us all a favor and removed the AMG badge for now. I truly hope he gets an opportunity to put it back up soon! 💔AMG💔
This is why I couldn’t wait to see your review you just say exactly how We feel about this lovely vehicle we all knew this was going to be the final product and we did had some hope that was going to sound better but unfortunately the engine won’t give that. This video make me feel even more In love of my c63s w205 2016 and for sure will be in my garage for long long time and will ride on those nights of quit roads and on those sunny days and I will be a old huligan reminding people that there is a V8 on the road 🔥
Nobody bought a C63 because it was the fastest option…since it never was. They bought it because of the engine. That’s it. So this new car’s party trick is power and they’re betting on an entirely different customer base. Might work, might not. Happy I was able to own a W205 while I still could.
Also, I had a C300 loaner. I hate the cheap interior. There's now no reason to buy a C over a CLA. They failed to exalt the 206 C class in light of the fabulous A-class platform cars. I truly hoped and expected they would move the interior upscale. Some thing I was okay with. But it is absolutely unacceptable quality for 50k USD - even if you are okay with the overall design of the interior being dominated by screens. For 100k USD in the AMG, they absolutely must improve the materials. A new steering wheel and seats are simply not enough.
I still have my 507 edition w204 and it still puts a smile on my face every single drive. I have a tuned w205 which is mental in a straight line but something about that na power will always hold a special place in my heart. Was in the market for something with awd recently and just not a fan of the newer vehicles. Ended up picking up a 2015 rs5 and what a soul that car has.
Keep it as long as you can for sure. I never drove one until my friend got one and it’s not even the 507. Crazy fun car and he has a straight pipe, the thing is so intoxicating.
My Porsche 718 S is a turbo 4 banger.. 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. I owned many V8's and a supercharged V8 and my last vehicle was a 6.4 V8.. my 4 cylinder is probably the quickest 0-60 and I only spend half to fill it up and double the range on each tank.
My Dad had the 190E 2.3-16 and that's what got me excited a sporty Mercedes. Then Jeremy Clarkson got me to actually buy the first of the C63 models when he test drove it and called it an axe murder with headlights! lol!
I took my 2019 e450 coupe back to merc, 44k worth of car, felt emotionless, not to mention all the electrical issues. Disconnected drive and almost silent. Best thing about it was ambient lighting that it. Took it back and got myself a 2013 541bhp V8 decatted and remapped beast!. I can't wait to wake up everyday, start it up and smile everyday, smile all the way to work and when I park it I always look back. W204 is the best ever made! Oh ....downshifts! Say no more! This new one just reminds me of a expensive big car. Nothing else
You are, without question, the best reporter of performance cars. The details and the lengths that you will go to in describing a car are remarkable. Also, your honesty in describing the car comes through so well, even though you were hoping for more. I will say this car is a looker, and I'm not a big fan of the Satin finish. I'm old school and still love Black (040), and no bits of flacks mixed in. I love your C63 except that Yellow Stripe on the bottom. All Black. Again, thank you for another great report. I can't believe the place you used as a background with all the garages in flagstone. Ted
I’m confused as to who’s gonna buy this car. I’m a BMW person but there was always so much emotion in AMGs particularly the V8s. There were always better handling cars, lighter cars, faster cars, but they had so much feeling. But without that, what’s gonna keep people buying it? There’s used porches that perform better, Ms that are more nimble in the same category, etc
They have this fabulous I6 mild hybrid motor that is one of the most advanced and pleasant motors in the world. I don't know why they barely use it. Its one of Mercedes' newest designs and its a smash hit. It feels like they are phasing it out already. Secondly, I get how the incomprehensibly stupid euro regulations are restricting Merc/AMG. However, I don't get why they can't use their prize 6/8 Cyl in the relatively low-volume AMG. They will still sell boatloads of 4cyl in the non-performance models, which allows them to meet the requirements. Imma buy a BMW if I must.
You have no idea how many times i've mentioned this mate - you are 100% spot on! The 3.0 turbo six + 48V mild hybrid, like the E53 unit - if they put that into an theoretical C53 or C63 under the pretense of downsizing due to emissions, i think very few petrolheads would bat an eye - it's still a 3.0 straight six, great engine config in any case. Shame, that engine actually fits the C class even more than the E53 in my book.
@@vukasinvlajic152 I have the 18' E400 Coupe which has the old 3.0TT V6. I have driven the i6 mild hybrid in the 2022 E450 and the thing is a huge upgrade in terms of power delivery and smoothness. Its great on MPG. Its great on emissions. Pair it with the AMG transmission and you have your sweet spot! I would even be happy if the E63 had this current 680bhp 4cyl so long as the e43 had the i6 mild hybrid with around 480bhp. It would confuse people that the engine with more cylinders had less power in a lower-tier car. But give us the option!
Wow. Great job with the cars and breakdowns. When you closed the hood that was a f..king perfect transition brother. Keep it going!! UK doug demuro with your own style
@@johnguidetti5839it’s a 2.0 turbo i4 making nearly 500hp. That engine isn’t gonna last lol. And batteries dont last very long either. This is a rental car. The N/A v8 amg is a car to own.
@@ilovehotdogs125790 they should have at least put in an i6. I wonder what they were thinking by tuning an i4 to this extent. VW would never do this to the Golf.
It will be interesting to see how sales go. Will it flop like the EQ models (and consequently be offered at a discount) or will it sell like hot cakes?
@@tbn22 My dad's dealership is moving EQS-class pretty well. They sell before they even hit the lot or roughly a week after. He has not sold a single one below MSRP to his recollection. Although practically every S-class is sold before it arrives, especially S580s, for over MSRP.
@@stevenreddy6842 Seems to depend on market region, in some places they've offered discounts due to low interest. Presumably this won't be an issue in the future, if everything goes fully EV.
You have nailed it 100%! Tech can never replace heritage just like that. The C63 culture at it's heart, is a V8, why step so far out of that mould and then "insult" it with clever technology? I'm still trying to wash the frown of my car's face - W204 C63 Edition 507.
How does the 507 drive? This new C63 speaks to me better as a relatively inexperienced driver. I also associated C63s of old being so tail-happy, uncontrollable tyre smokers when you drive it as it should be driven.
@@magnustan841 but who actually drives it that way?how many people have the ability to push these cars to those limits?realistically?not many. So it’s pointless to get these cars based on those merits if you can’t do the same. Personally I can’t talk about the c63, only been in one twice, for 2 short drives.I was a passenger. But having owned my f80 M3 for almost 5yrs now, and a e90 V8 M3 and 135i before it, I can tell you, even though I love to get the back end out and powerslide out of corners, even after all these years (and a BMW M high performance driving course) later, I still can’t do what Chris Harris or the Stig does on tv. Those skills take years or many hours on the track to achieve imo. So in short, if you like the car when driving it, just get it, don’t be bothered about “what it can do”, most people will never be able to extract 70% of what these cars are capable of, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get one. Just have fun with it and be safe.
@@magnustan841 The 507 is one of the more predictable cars I have owned. It can be a handful if you behave like a hooligan and switch the driver's aids off. Then again she can be a real lady in comfort mode and just lazely motor around town. You would never say that you have nuke under the bonnet when driving in comfort mode. But switch to sport plus and you have a real animal on hour hands but still very predicatable. Tyres can be an expense yes. All in all, a great car to have in the collection amoung the A45 and C55.
its not faster, but accelerating faster maybe. Who cares? Fucking boring car. If you wanna dragrace 0-100kmh you can can buy a china-EV for half the price, almost equally soulless.
As an AMG fan and owner, and looking to trade soon, I’d rather get the M3. I dont need more power, and i dont need a 4 pot that costs $100K. Mercedes are mental for doing that.
The technology of the newest C63 is impressive. I'll give it that. But if that's a 2.0L motor they should call it a C20 AMG, not a C63. They should have done away with C63 when they did away with the M156 motor. Just my opinion though, as an owner of a 2014 C63 2 door.
Honestly I prefer the inline 4 engine over the old V8. It has higher power to weight ratio. What I'm not fine with is how much weight they've added back with the sound deadening and interior.
@@IR-xy3ij hey, if that's what you like, great. Just sayin they shouldn't call it a C63 if it doesn't have the "63" motor in it. But hey, that's just my opinion as well. I'll give them credit for what they've done with the inline 4 and all that. And really? How much weight was added to it? Mine weighs 3816 pounds
@@JustinSmithPYRO The engine saved at least 200 lb, and assuming the hybrid system weighed 600 lb, the weight added in the interior would be in the 400-500 lb range. I'm very confident in the estimate given how quiet it is on the inside. I've heard that the windows are even double layered to reduce noise, and these windows are extremely heavy.
I spent all of lockdown obsessively looking into new cars. I started with a C63 estate but looked at every single other option. I watched every single UA-cam video on the C63 and potential alternative and I kept coming back to the C63. I felt certain I was making the right choice. When I picked up the car I was ecstatic. I still burst out laughing when I’m able to play about with it when the dog isn’t in the boot. Almost 2 years later and I’m still crazy about it. I feel so lucky to own one of the last cars out of the factory and I genuinely can’t see me selling it. I look at this new model and wonder who would discount so many other cars at the same price and decide to order this. Surely an M3? A taycan GTS? An E63 ffs. They should have gone all electric with this and made a model 3 performance killer. Certainly should be called a C55S IMO
I honestly doubted that this is real AMG, but holly chit, 0-100 in 3.08s is wild and worth of AMG badge. Not a fan of 4cyl high end cars but this will change many minds about it..I mean engine alone puts 467 horses.. kudos for that Mercedes..
OMFG, I HATE when they say "Brutal", that IvanSensei guy does it in every video 💀. I got a great drinking game, too. Take a shot every time a the German UA-camr says "also". 😩
Great video and review! How are they not embarrassed.?. This is no longer a c63, period. It’s OVER! Such a disappointing time in car heritage, legacy and era. Thankful for all those standing by their laurels while stile upping the game!
I wouldn't dream of owning this car - this is for lease only. My god, think of the horror that would be maintaining this technological terror after the warranties expire.
C63’s advantage over the M3 was always the soundtrack, now it barely has an advantage over its younger sibling the C43. Not sure why the engineers couldn’t tune the sound in the cabin a bit better, it’s all just fake noise anyway, make it sound closer to a V8. Evaluating this car on its own merit, the engineering is amazing. But with so much going on, this car will be an absolute nightmare to maintain, and so complicated I doubt we will see many with second and third owners like the vehicles of old. Seems like they should have gone one final love letter to ICE and then moved to electric for the next generation like BMW has likely done.
20:03 RIP small animal 🤭 outside it sounds OK but that fake interior sound would drive me mad after a while, another reason I didn't buy the 45s and am waiting on a 43. Great video dude, top notch as always 👍
a hybrid with a 400+ hp 4-banger and a small battery that gets discharged and recharged multiple times a drive. perfect combination for excellent longevity thats for sure.
Yes,very good.I rather take 4 cylinder AMG instead of all electric “AMG”.overall,the new c63 is perfect car,but am sure that all the amg fans will miss the v8,hope they bring v8 back to c and e series.
tbh the review sounds too positive. Other reviewers had a big problem with the weight and dynamics. Comparing it to an E63s saloon and at that point, why not take the E63s? Its almost the same but theres still a V8.
tbh, even today after an year, I get it why sone people would buy a C63 with the 4 banger, but personaly and this is for many buyers, if this car has 2 power modes and you feel like it has and it has not got power you will think that the car is not good and probly switch to a BMW M3. Even tho I think that the M3 and M4 come at 200kg too much on the scales, they have a 6 cilinder engine and offer so much performance and confort and they are the best car out there overall. And if you want to experience V8 you can go towards the M5/M8 that I have not seen many examples, but plenty of them are out there and compared to the C63, I have seen much more M2, M3, M4, M5 and M8 individuali. I have experienced an older M4 and I loved it. I have experienced an older M5 V10 and loved it. The problem is not the 4 banger, it is the weight and fact that this is a heavy luxury saloon that has a 4 cylinder and a hybrid sistem that makes it kinda souless and this is why it flops
not a mercedes fan myself, but honestly, a c63 should have a v8 or at least a v6 if they really need to install an engine with less displacement. If I want a quick car with a four cylinder engine I'd buy something like a golf r, but a c63 needs a v-engine
I always knew it. The V8 wasn’t going nowhere. It’s in the E class in the S class.I wouldn’t be surprised if it made a return to the C class later in the future.
It'a a nice car but that's it really. All cars in this segment will be quick and fun regardless of the engine. What seems to be lacking here aside from real sound, is SOUL. This and many new cars just lack soul. And this is coming from someone who's had 10+ AMGs and 2 black series cars. After my 205 c63 coupe, I went for a g80 M3 comp. and still happy with my decision. I'm also looking forward to comparing my upcoming M2 to the 2020 CLA45 I had for a bit, which was great but felt kinda cheap for what I paid.
The new C43 is a proper modern update to the w205 C43 with only the engine downsized while speed and dynamics were improved. This new C63 is way too different from the last one and the hybrid setup does more harm than good in a vehicle of this class that has historically been mid-high 3000s in weight. I wish Mercedes had chosen to put a beefed up E53 engine or an enlarged m139 or even a hella boosted m139 in this car to have a decent compromise in downsizing while retaining most of the C63 characteristics. Also, I think you made a minor mistake when saying the pre facelift had a dual clutch.
This was a great review buddy 👌 i very rarely watch any car content on youtube any more, i cant stand the in your face over enthusiasm to try and drive views. I like that you speak properly and dont use "innit" Subscribed 👍
This is just more proof that ill never get rid of my 507 Coupe ... sure it looks great but it makes little sense to me :/ C43 with bodykits are gonna almost identical and on the road soon I feel like ... Id rather have a V8 in there and just 500 HP instead of 680 with a 4 cyl
AMG engineers are the guys that sit in the back of the class, throw eggs at the teacher and fart loudly. In this instance the principal dropped into the class, lectured them on how throwing eggs wastes vital food and farting enlarges the hole in the ozone layer, and were then told them to behave or they'd be expelled. So they built what they were told to build, not what they wanted to build. And here we have it. A four banger AMG. My God. What a miserable world.
i bought one of the last C43 as i needed 4x4 where i live. i suspected this would happen so i had it upgraded by brabus to 450 bhp and 600 plus torque and its amazing the sound seems to have got louder and it pops and bangs everywhere.. M3 estate next i think
Mercedes are telling us that this is the car they had to make, yet Ford have just announced that they are about to launch a Mustang called the Dark Horse with a 5.0 atmospheric engine producing 500bhp🤷🏻♂️😂
The fact that one of the C63’s most vocal supporters is disappointed in what this new car has become, and what it stands for, regarding the most important aspects of driving dynamics (even though he likes the car overall), says A LOT. I’m sure it will sell loads, but despite this, I doubt it will ever be remembered as a “success”. Only time will tell. Having massive respect for AMG as a brand myself, I must say this new C63 has lost most of it from me, even though a very capable machine yes, I can’t help but feel this C63 is all substance, but no flavour, no soul👎 *BMW M3 F80 owner.
10:22 "It's not impossible to keep a car like this from being dynamic." In other words, "it is possible to keep a car like this from being dynamic." Yeah I agree -- by making it over 2 tons
How it should have been: - Mild hybrid like the C43 AMG - A45s engine reworked - electric assisted turbo - small electric motor (adding 20hp and 200nm of torque to help the combustion engine at low rpm) - 9 Speed DCT gearbox - Rear wheel drive only - no rear steering (because it feels awkward to drive) - Make it has light has possible (with carbon panels and so on) - focus on the driving experience (exhaust note, dynamics, feedback from the controls, etc...) Done!
You get 4 cyl turbos in dozens of cars for half the price or less, absolutely not worth AT ALL, Mercedes must be taking you for idiots if they expect you to buy this.
🙏Please Raz, I don't know how nobody told you, but please, you should upgrade your microphone in pro of the overall video quality. I love your videos and you, but your voice in all the videos sounds so muted that I always need to raise the volume to 100% to hear you propperly. You are the best catching exhaust sounds, but not your voice. I wonder I'm not the only one with this opinion. Maybe you can ask for one on christmas 😉 Keep going and have a nice Christmas!
The badge is in my pocket. You can have it back when we get a V8 back, AMG! 🥲
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Ok mate. We can see you’re trying to prove this to be faster than the M3 comp Xdrive. But it’s not! You cannot use the Mercedes 0-100 measuring device on a downhill slope ok. With all the more expensive and so called hi tech engine. It’s clearly still slower than the m3/m4!!
@@kunalmore5212 I don't doubt the 0-60 mph times he's recorded on the MBUX. If you don't believe, check out carwow's review of this car, he shows similar timings as well. In straight line, this is fast as hell. I am not aware of the M3/M4 0-60 times, regardless straight line performance is anyway not a useful indicator in my opinion. There are tons of American cars with great 0-60 times, but can't carry speed around a corner. This could be better on a track than an M3/M4 because of the potent drive train and the traction, but as Raz points out in the video, it lacks the emotion and sensation, hence not the car for me.
@@piyushbansal4433 are you high on something? Because I just read you said it’s going to be better on track compared to the M3/M4?? 🤣🤣🤣. Please I understand the fanboy in you but come on have some reasonableness. 🤣🤣. No amg is going to be better on track than an ///M car. Let’s talk of something apart from that ok? Because that’s just a fact and no point debating on that.
Who gives a shit about an old technology v8 get with the times didn't see anyone getting mad when the bmw dumped the v8 for a straight 6 turbo in the m3
I think the engineers got too caught up in making a technically competent car but forgot that real Amg owners always bought these cars for the emotive and fun element
they had all of covid to figure this out lol they should have at least done a V8 hybrid or a V6 like straight to a V4 just killed it completely. RIP Combustion engines its only going to get worse. Our childhood dream cars will get so expensive & we will have to pay an arm and a leg just to get a V8 or higher if they even make them any more,
Which AMG buyers? Those that bought them for cheap second hand, or those that, speced the car themselves, established a relationship with a dealership and made a down payment, with instalments coming in thereafter? Sorry, but from my experience, I suspect all those whining and crying about this car are the former….
Brain washed by this made up global warming scam made up by the elites to draw more money from the public. I do like the car tho but this nonsense that we are all going to die if we don't change to electric is ridiculous
They didn't forget anything don't fool yourself! They just preparing nations for upcoming electrical car industry. In the future you will not have any chance to drive even like this kinda C63 amg it will be C63 amg but fully electrified without any real sound oder than fake from speakers.
@@magnustan841 all of them are buyers. If there is no second hand market not many will be sold or with huge losses.
It'll be hard justifying getting the C63 over the C43.
That is sad were at this point now
It would be hard justifying a new C63 or C43 over a CLA45 S if we are going to be brutally honest
Except here in finland, where the new c63 is cheaper than the c43 due its a hybrid😅
@@miklu26no ways, I didnt know that. That is sad and crazy if that's true.🤣🤣
@@archiegates7740 💯💯🤣
Thanks for being bold and telling it like it is. Lots of sugar coating around this car. The emotion has always been the reason to own a C63. If regulations are forcing you to remove that emotion its not the same car. It can't be. Not knocking this tremendous engineering feat but call the car something else. It isn't a C63.
I'd have put the V8 C63 on a par with Alfa's Giulia QV but now the Alfa is the standout car in a performance landscape becoming denuded of quality performance cars.
The QV is my next car that I intend to upgrade to when the lease on my current A45S ends in about 14 months from now.
@@tigerpjmwhat do you do for a living bro?
@thegreatafrican3367
I'm a mining supervisor and got my Giulia last week!
@@tigerpjmgreat purchase. Enjoy it.
@@tigerpjm we’ll reach there soon
Congrats bro
Let’s be honest, traditionally, the drivers choice was the the M3, the best daily was the RS4, but if you wanted a monster, you went for the C63s. The V8 was the main reason you bought this car, it was what made it unique and unlike anything else in the segment.
Also, making a car so much heavier, surely that is not the most environmentally friendly option, especially since the process of making and then disposing of the batteries etc is awful!
I dread to think what it’ll be like to run when it’s out of warranty…..
The V8 at this class was pointless.
You can buy a car from a class above, also with a V8, with far more power.
If pricing is an issue you can obtain the preceeding engine option for the class above, for more or less the same or lower price. E.g the 550i with a V8, or the E53.
Alternatively you can wait a year or 2 and the top end M5/E63s are now in the same price range.
No brainer.
gladly americans aren't so climate woke and still be making v8s till the end. EU is done for, it will eat its own tail
@@ertugrulbae46it’s simple
Brutal 8 cyl Amg > 4 Cyl anything
The cars whole identity was the scream of the engine, being able to drift it with ease and just all around a fun car. Now it’s just like everything else… practical and boring. If you wanted a fast 4 cyl you went with a Porsche, the cars lost its identity imo.
@@ertugrulbae46 that made no sense.
Straight to the Scrap probably because the battery is dead and many more problems wouldn’t be surprised if the Engine by then is dead aswell 🤷🏼♂️ 😢
Moment of silence for the V8
Ironic, huh?
More than a moment.
😢
I wanted to like your comment but it was on 63 likes and I didn't want to ruin that...
New AMG's will give you plenty of that - silence...😂
Very honest judgement and a realistic summary of this car. Thanks for that Raz!
My pleasure my friends! 😃🙏
The problem of the last years is: First they swapped quality for marketing and service for digital toys. Then they transformed regular cars to an „AMG car“ (A35, C43, E53). And now they change proper AMG cars to regular cars with AMG Badge.
Sad times for AMG lovers, sad times for good big engine lovers!
Quality is indeed lacking
Indeed. A great reviewer called Daniel Kon made a video reviewing the interior quality of the new S class, I was astounded and disappointed. Mercedes seems more style/marketing than substance these days.
@@Masimba The S class quality is actually good.
Exactly my feelings mate. No wonder one of the top execs resigned from amg due to this capitalisation of the amg name. That car is not a true c63 it’s more like an a45 or a cla45 in a bigger body.
Big marketing balls up.
I’m going to hang on to my old c63 and watch it increase in value.
Regards
@@Masimba not these days been going on for about the last 10+years
Glad you came to this conclusion. As a C63s owner, we all know this isn’t a C63. Hopefully AMG aren’t too angry at you, and if they are the V8s are gone anyway!
You are Spot on. Kinda reminds me of a few years ago when VW replacing the fantastic VR6 from the Golf R with a 4 cylinders. Smoothness and sounds were gone and I defected. Same thing here. I had the original 6.2 C63 and that new 4 cylinders hybrid is a sure way of losing dedicated customers. Cadillac cts-v blackwing anyone?!?
This makes me sad. The first time a C63 has ever invoked that emotion from me. Long live the 6.2 and even the 4.0 TT. U never realize ur in the good old days until they’re gone.
And the 4.7 and 5.5TTV8s too!
I remember being so disappointed with the 4.0. If only I knew…
@@jgripen969 lol right
As an owner of a the last V8, I saw this coming. I agree with you it should not have the c63 badge. The looks of this car, they should have have given us 1 last V8. But the good thing is my C63 will increase in value
How do you know your car will increase in value ? Just because it's the last V8? There are plenty of V8s out there that I'm sure will not increase in value over the next few years? What makes the C63S V8 special to the point that it will increase in value?
It'll probably keep a steady value , I don't know about "increase" though dude. It's still just a Benz
especially since they stated, that this 4 zyl version was NOT a product of regulations. they could have went for another v8 gen.
@@coreypatterson1386 Jesus!, the people who are commenting on your view are not AMG fans or even CarGuys. AMG cars are not just Mercedes Benz cars they far more special, much more. The prices of looked after AMG special; cars like the black Series always go up. The SLS Black Series increase over 300% in my country, And the new Black Series is going for $1 200 000 in my country. The SL black series is about Half a Million. Corey know that his car will increase because is fan of AMG and any CarGuy knows that Special AMG cars always appreciate in price. Especially the Bracy guy, don't know anything about cars. Enjoy your V8 Corey.
Black series are ultra rare limited runs and so they will appreciate. I think the c63s will lose value much slower. Agreed that some fine examples with low mileage may go up a bit, it’s doubtful the situation will ever be as it is with black series. If you’re lucky to own one of these cars, enjoy it. Always a thrill. Well almost, not so it seems in w206.
For me, AMG is all about the experience. Im not talking about lap times, nor how much G-force it can handle in corners. I dont care how fast it goes from 0-100km/h, neither do I even worry about the fuel economy.
A real AMG 63 has always been that one special car in every class of MB, the one car that always felt special from the moment you start the engine. It doesn't care about your lap times, it eats rear tires like there is no tomorrow, it literally burns money converting gasolin into loud explosions and it makes a sound that gets every other car manufacturer envious.
The new C63s E Performance sure is a great piece of engineering, it's faster, it's more nimble, it's more advanced. But in the process of achieving higher numbers, it has lost its identity, its heritage, its soul.
With tears in my eyes, I say goodbye to the V8s. I don't hate you dear young blood, I just hoped the good old days would have lasted a bit longer.
Sincerely
A real C63 owner
I see your point. Some C63 owners will agree with what you are saying, but soon enough will become accustomed to this change, this c63 will sell just as well as all the others. A lot of C63 owners aren't necessarily enthusiasts but people with money who just want to have a flashy new AMG
@@vxsr33 If they’ve removed all the feelings and made it sterile, what’s the point? The new C63 is competing in a category it can’t win. I can’t believe they didn’t go EV at this point; this car won’t satisfy the AMG crowd and it won’t satisfy the EV crowd.
It’s a car man. Times are changing. You aren’t saying goodbye to your first new born here. Mercedes is having to change with all the regulations going on in the EU, and us as consumers either embrace it or move on to another brand. It’s as simple as that.
@@brianh_reviews What's funny is most people crying in comment section don't even have the money to buy the car. 😅
Two biggest worst parts are that it has a stupid weird lag when you’re just coasting and go full throttle on the gas. Second also is that if the battery is on low charge you get only 480hp. I would rather have the V8 bi turbo at that point with all 510hp all the time.
Imagine the 480hp with the weight. Ugh.
But the batteries are constantly charging, and you will never go below 20% even if you are using the electric motor solely, the engine will kick in immediately and will start fast charging the batteries while keeping the motor in use. I don't see the point you made there, the lags might be present, but I'm not sure if they are that noticeable according to 3 different reviews I've watched. I think the big problem is the lack of emotions and identity, as Raz mentioned at the end of the video. Overall it's a decent car, I will personally consider getting one!
You can modify that V8 for 832 hp. The W205 is my favorite AMG.
My V8 biturbo C63 coupe has 600 hp, revs like a beast and weights 400kg less than a new one! I don't keep additional 80 hp for killing the soul of this car
Yes, well Klaus Schwab would rather prefer you didn't have the V8, unfortunately.
It’s a sad day! & When,not if, this thing goes wrong, it’ll cost a fortune to fix the complexities
Include the time of going back and forth to the dealer.
This things looks like that Volvo S90 T8. Ask anyone who owned one and the majority will have to admit their car spent most of the time, not at home or on the road.
they said the same for mercedes 190 eveolution,GTR and many more. And it's true but these cars aren't bought for ease of maintenance,cheapt run etc. These are top notch versions. Great for those that can afford them, for the rest of us (well me at least) there's cheaper and less complex models,less performance too but enough to enjoy with.
Imagine buying this new and lost 50% in 2 years because nobody wants a early attempt and maintenance nightmare 😅
Don't people literally say that and every top fuckn German car these days? And have for the past few yrs? (As someone correctly said, not even the 190 Evo escaped from said sentence)
I fail to see your bloody point m8....generic comment whoring for likes with very little logic behind it. Very much like a reddit post, without the extra text.
This thing has an incredible level of complexity. It will cost a fortune to keep long term.
Will people be prepared for pay 90+ k for just 4 cylinders though? Especially as you can get an M3 or RS5 for similar money? I wonder if the SL43 will have the same problem too, 100+ k for a 4 cylinder sports car seems too much.
the price is justified with the mercedes experience my guy, also these 4 cyl engines are faster than an M3 or RS5 and are track monsters.
the sl is struggling to be sold no matter the version becase sl 63 is too expensive and power to performance is bad and for the money 911 4 gts is faster and better made and sl43 in my country in capital i know that from the start they sit still for sale no1 bought any from 9 for sale for over 6 months
@@andreidragomir4460 😂😂😂😂😂 the m3 laps it and rs5 too that 4cyl is bad for a car like that thats why they don't sell anywhere and sit at dealers
@@jz4780 no, this 4 cyl literally beats an m3, even the e92, and an rs5. have you even driven it or seen it in a track?🥱
@@jz4780 i mean shxt, even the 421 hp 4 cyl from cla 45s beats an m3 and an rs5, you don't know shxt about cars my friend😹
Thanks for your non biased honest review!
It is very sad Mercedes is pushing us either buy a bigger much more expensive vehicle to have the V8 or switch to another brand to have an authenticate sports car.
Its not the fault of Mercedes, it’s only the EU with their pseudo-environmental protection measures. let’s wait for the upcoming M3 is will have the same powertrain strategy Promised 😘
It’s ridiculous, but people accept it. Politics should take decisions and regulation requirements independently of the technology. The best technology wins the competition and that’s it’s carried out by the market.
Valid point on the Clarkson C63 video. That video took the car to the top tier.
Love that video, even if he missed the apple 🍎
Your graphics and production is second to none. Great effort.
The prior gen v8 was what got me to fall in love with AMG. This car, while looking gorgeous…it lacks soul. Long term reliability will be a question mark with a 4 cylinder being tuned so hard and the hybrid system.
I went with an X3M comp. While the 6 cylinder is no V8, it still has some character.
I suspect rubbish reliablity, problems with head gaskets running a 4 cylinder at that power.
No one that buys a $100k+ car has issues with the costs of maintenance, or costs after warranty or complexities. I have a 2020 E63s and its rock solid so far, but if something happens after the warranty life, then it is what it is. You can always buy an extended warranty. My advice, dont buy an expensive German super sedan unless you can afford it.
Agreed . I tune my cars and live with it
The Germans’ decision to build cars that are unreliable after their warranties expire reflects badly on the original owner generation as well as those who buy used. The car’s resale is practically nil.
Anyways never thought the day would come that my CLS 53 AMG would sound better than 63 AMG..
Dude I'm not even kidding. I swear my w176 a45 sounds better than this car
The sound does not win you races. And winning the race is more important to me then the sound of the car. This car will blow away your CLS 53 AMG.
Having driven several AMG cars with both a V6 & V8. I always felt the V6 was never a true AMG car. That magical AMG feeling Raz describes here was only available on a V8. The moment I heard the C63 was halved to 4 Cylinders, I instantly knew no matter how much power they squeeze out of that little 4 Banger it will never be the same. Raz has honorably confirmed what most of us had feared. RBR did us all a favor and removed the AMG badge for now. I truly hope he gets an opportunity to put it back up soon!
💔AMG💔
U do know amg started with a v6 engine right?
@@Louisz14 They may have started with a V6 but they will be known for the V8’s. Absolutely legendary powertrains.
@@SPEAKTRULY yea but u cant say a c43 or a e53 not real AMG because its a v6!!
@@Louisz14 ofc u can say that. rightly.
@@alpha-cf2oi yea like youre the ceo of mercedes benz right?
Thanks Raz, you have confirmed my fears, a technically brilliant car, but emotionally crippled. 🥺
completely soulless
Thanks for your honesty. If Mr AMG himself says Mercedes have not hit the mark with this one, then we ought to believe it.
To be honest it doesn’t sound as terrible as I thought it would. Sticking with my W205 C43 though, that V6 sounds fantastic
This is why I couldn’t wait to see your review you just say exactly how We feel about this lovely vehicle we all knew this was going to be the final product and we did had some hope that was going to sound better but unfortunately the engine won’t give that. This video make me feel even more In love of my c63s w205 2016 and for sure will be in my garage for long long time and will ride on those nights of quit roads and on those sunny days and I will be a old huligan reminding people that there is a V8 on the road 🔥
one here too
The most important opinion of a UA-camr at that topic. I think also the best review with a real point at the end. A logic I can follow.
This review and car wow 👌
Thanks buddy
Nobody bought a C63 because it was the fastest option…since it never was. They bought it because of the engine. That’s it. So this new car’s party trick is power and they’re betting on an entirely different customer base. Might work, might not. Happy I was able to own a W205 while I still could.
Also, I had a C300 loaner. I hate the cheap interior. There's now no reason to buy a C over a CLA. They failed to exalt the 206 C class in light of the fabulous A-class platform cars. I truly hoped and expected they would move the interior upscale. Some thing I was okay with. But it is absolutely unacceptable quality for 50k USD - even if you are okay with the overall design of the interior being dominated by screens. For 100k USD in the AMG, they absolutely must improve the materials. A new steering wheel and seats are simply not enough.
I still have my 507 edition w204 and it still puts a smile on my face every single drive. I have a tuned w205 which is mental in a straight line but something about that na power will always hold a special place in my heart. Was in the market for something with awd recently and just not a fan of the newer vehicles. Ended up picking up a 2015 rs5 and what a soul that car has.
Keep it as long as you can for sure. I never drove one until my friend got one and it’s not even the 507. Crazy fun car and he has a straight pipe, the thing is so intoxicating.
My Porsche 718 S is a turbo 4 banger.. 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. I owned many V8's and a supercharged V8 and my last vehicle was a 6.4 V8.. my 4 cylinder is probably the quickest 0-60 and I only spend half to fill it up and double the range on each tank.
Nice
I'm guessing your 718 doesn't weigh nearly 5000 lbs.
My Dad had the 190E 2.3-16 and that's what got me excited a sporty Mercedes. Then Jeremy Clarkson got me to actually buy the first of the C63 models when he test drove it and called it an axe murder with headlights! lol!
This AMG is the best C43 they have made. Brilliant.
Oh please! This is a lot faster than a C43 SMH LOL
glued on ipads in the interior, everything is curved to the point it looks like a basset hound. I miss the old c63 so much
Youre an excellent critic and reviewer. I think you nailed this perfectly. well done.
I took my 2019 e450 coupe back to merc, 44k worth of car, felt emotionless, not to mention all the electrical issues. Disconnected drive and almost silent. Best thing about it was ambient lighting that it. Took it back and got myself a 2013 541bhp V8 decatted and remapped beast!. I can't wait to wake up everyday, start it up and smile everyday, smile all the way to work and when I park it I always look back. W204 is the best ever made! Oh ....downshifts! Say no more! This new one just reminds me of a expensive big car. Nothing else
“Runs like Usain Bolt but looks like James Corden” 💀
Maybe you mean "sounds" like Corden the car looks mean not like a soft fat teddy bear.
You are, without question, the best reporter of performance cars. The details and the lengths that you will go to in describing a car are remarkable. Also, your honesty in describing the car comes through so well, even though you were hoping for more. I will say this car is a looker, and I'm not a big fan of the Satin finish. I'm old school and still love Black (040), and no bits of flacks mixed in. I love your C63 except that Yellow Stripe on the bottom. All Black. Again, thank you for another great report. I can't believe the place you used as a background with all the garages in flagstone. Ted
The Giulia Quad sounds much better too! 🇮🇹
I’m confused as to who’s gonna buy this car. I’m a BMW person but there was always so much emotion in AMGs particularly the V8s. There were always better handling cars, lighter cars, faster cars, but they had so much feeling. But without that, what’s gonna keep people buying it? There’s used porches that perform better, Ms that are more nimble in the same category, etc
Perhaps 'C45S E-Performance' would work better? This doesn't sound like a true 63 at all (no rumble, roar, growl, nothing......).
Much better
They have this fabulous I6 mild hybrid motor that is one of the most advanced and pleasant motors in the world. I don't know why they barely use it. Its one of Mercedes' newest designs and its a smash hit. It feels like they are phasing it out already. Secondly, I get how the incomprehensibly stupid euro regulations are restricting Merc/AMG. However, I don't get why they can't use their prize 6/8 Cyl in the relatively low-volume AMG. They will still sell boatloads of 4cyl in the non-performance models, which allows them to meet the requirements. Imma buy a BMW if I must.
You have no idea how many times i've mentioned this mate - you are 100% spot on! The 3.0 turbo six + 48V mild hybrid, like the E53 unit - if they put that into an theoretical C53 or C63 under the pretense of downsizing due to emissions, i think very few petrolheads would bat an eye - it's still a 3.0 straight six, great engine config in any case.
Shame, that engine actually fits the C class even more than the E53 in my book.
@@vukasinvlajic152 I have the 18' E400 Coupe which has the old 3.0TT V6. I have driven the i6 mild hybrid in the 2022 E450 and the thing is a huge upgrade in terms of power delivery and smoothness. Its great on MPG. Its great on emissions. Pair it with the AMG transmission and you have your sweet spot! I would even be happy if the E63 had this current 680bhp 4cyl so long as the e43 had the i6 mild hybrid with around 480bhp. It would confuse people that the engine with more cylinders had less power in a lower-tier car. But give us the option!
Anything decided / touched by the 🇪🇺 turns into dog shit
Lord in Heaven this thing makes my Focus ST sound like a Lamborghini 😂
I was really waiting for a reference to the w203 c32/55 at the beginning… absolutely loved that gen.
Good example of how synthetic driving experience can get.
Wow. Great job with the cars and breakdowns. When you closed the hood that was a f..king perfect transition brother. Keep it going!!
UK doug demuro with your own style
Owning this after the warranty expires would be insanity.
It’s just a hybrid car. Calm down.
@@johnguidetti5839 with F1 tech
@@johnguidetti5839it’s a 2.0 turbo i4 making nearly 500hp. That engine isn’t gonna last lol. And batteries dont last very long either. This is a rental car. The N/A v8 amg is a car to own.
@@ilovehotdogs125790 they should have at least put in an i6. I wonder what they were thinking by tuning an i4 to this extent. VW would never do this to the Golf.
@@theemotionalremix They did lol, the golf used to be a VR6.
It will be interesting to see how sales go. Will it flop like the EQ models (and consequently be offered at a discount) or will it sell like hot cakes?
At 680 hp probably going to lease well
Have the EQ models flopped? (I don’t know their sales figures).
@@tbn22 My dad's dealership is moving EQS-class pretty well. They sell before they even hit the lot or roughly a week after. He has not sold a single one below MSRP to his recollection. Although practically every S-class is sold before it arrives, especially S580s, for over MSRP.
@@stevenreddy6842 Seems to depend on market region, in some places they've offered discounts due to low interest. Presumably this won't be an issue in the future, if everything goes fully EV.
@@GimliTehDwarf haha
You have nailed it 100%! Tech can never replace heritage just like that. The C63 culture at it's heart, is a V8, why step so far out of that mould and then "insult" it with clever technology? I'm still trying to wash the frown of my car's face - W204 C63 Edition 507.
💯🙌
How does the 507 drive? This new C63 speaks to me better as a relatively inexperienced driver. I also associated C63s of old being so tail-happy, uncontrollable tyre smokers when you drive it as it should be driven.
@@magnustan841 but who actually drives it that way?how many people have the ability to push these cars to those limits?realistically?not many. So it’s pointless to get these cars based on those merits if you can’t do the same.
Personally I can’t talk about the c63, only been in one twice, for 2 short drives.I was a passenger. But having owned my f80 M3 for almost 5yrs now, and a e90 V8 M3 and 135i before it, I can tell you, even though I love to get the back end out and powerslide out of corners, even after all these years (and a BMW M high performance driving course) later, I still can’t do what Chris Harris or the Stig does on tv. Those skills take years or many hours on the track to achieve imo.
So in short, if you like the car when driving it, just get it, don’t be bothered about “what it can do”, most people will never be able to extract 70% of what these cars are capable of, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t get one.
Just have fun with it and be safe.
@@magnustan841 The 507 is one of the more predictable cars I have owned. It can be a handful if you behave like a hooligan and switch the driver's aids off. Then again she can be a real lady in comfort mode and just lazely motor around town. You would never say that you have nuke under the bonnet when driving in comfort mode. But switch to sport plus and you have a real animal on hour hands but still very predicatable. Tyres can be an expense yes. All in all, a great car to have in the collection amoung the A45 and C55.
I am going to hold on to my w204 for life..this is sad.
Not me. I am going to get the new technology and the new technology inside the interior.
The biggest and heaviest a c63 could ever be but with tiniest engine you couldn't even imagine in a c63.
How the turntables turned.
However, it has a lot more horsepower and is a lot faster.
its not faster, but accelerating faster maybe. Who cares? Fucking boring car. If you wanna dragrace 0-100kmh you can can buy a china-EV for half the price, almost equally soulless.
As an AMG fan and owner, and looking to trade soon, I’d rather get the M3. I dont need more power, and i dont need a 4 pot that costs $100K. Mercedes are mental for doing that.
The technology of the newest C63 is impressive. I'll give it that. But if that's a 2.0L motor they should call it a C20 AMG, not a C63. They should have done away with C63 when they did away with the M156 motor. Just my opinion though, as an owner of a 2014 C63 2 door.
Honestly I prefer the inline 4 engine over the old V8. It has higher power to weight ratio. What I'm not fine with is how much weight they've added back with the sound deadening and interior.
@@IR-xy3ij hey, if that's what you like, great. Just sayin they shouldn't call it a C63 if it doesn't have the "63" motor in it. But hey, that's just my opinion as well. I'll give them credit for what they've done with the inline 4 and all that. And really? How much weight was added to it? Mine weighs 3816 pounds
@@JustinSmithPYRO The engine saved at least 200 lb, and assuming the hybrid system weighed 600 lb, the weight added in the interior would be in the 400-500 lb range. I'm very confident in the estimate given how quiet it is on the inside. I've heard that the windows are even double layered to reduce noise, and these windows are extremely heavy.
@@IR-xy3ij I bet those windows are heavy. Damn hope they have beefy window motors for them
First time viewer and I subscribed immediately after seeing your video edits of the different models. So clean and great graphics wow.
It could have at least been an inline 6. This is just tragic
And a few months later it's a complete sales BOMB 😂
Little correction, G63 didn't have the 6.208 M156 engine at any time :)
Right wasn't in the engine from w205 only to begin with
There was a G63 V12 though
@@superchargedturbo Never knew those existed until now.
I have a 2018 C63s coupe, and it is one of the best all round cars you can daily. It even gets more attention than my red 911!
Smooth way to flex my g respect
The 4.0 never convinced me but this is an insult.
not bad sounding car for a V4 but there is just something magical about V8, especially the AMG V8....
I spent all of lockdown obsessively looking into new cars. I started with a C63 estate but looked at every single other option. I watched every single UA-cam video on the C63 and potential alternative and I kept coming back to the C63. I felt certain I was making the right choice. When I picked up the car I was ecstatic. I still burst out laughing when I’m able to play about with it when the dog isn’t in the boot. Almost 2 years later and I’m still crazy about it. I feel so lucky to own one of the last cars out of the factory and I genuinely can’t see me selling it. I look at this new model and wonder who would discount so many other cars at the same price and decide to order this. Surely an M3? A taycan GTS? An E63 ffs. They should have gone all electric with this and made a model 3 performance killer. Certainly should be called a C55S IMO
Me desperately trying to get my E53 Coupe before it's gone lol
100%. As a c63 estate owner, a full EV alternative would have been more appealing than this.
@@jamsxr or maybe changing the name and killing the c63 moniker. An ev or 4 cylinder isn’t a c63.
Literally me man !! I watched all this unfold since 2019/2020 sad to see it finally happen.
Should be called a C20 lmao
I honestly doubted that this is real AMG, but holly chit, 0-100 in 3.08s is wild and worth of AMG badge.
Not a fan of 4cyl high end cars but this will change many minds about it..I mean engine alone puts 467 horses.. kudos for that Mercedes..
It seems you are one of the smart ones here.
OMFG, I HATE when they say "Brutal", that IvanSensei guy does it in every video 💀. I got a great drinking game, too. Take a shot every time a the German UA-camr says "also". 😩
BRUUUUTAAAAHLLLLL😂
Great video and review! How are they not embarrassed.?. This is no longer a c63, period. It’s OVER! Such a disappointing time in car heritage, legacy and era. Thankful for all those standing by their laurels while stile upping the game!
The people at AMG dont know what they stand for
Love this type of review, praise the engineering on the 4 cylinder, but still points out the elephant in the room
I wouldn't dream of owning this car - this is for lease only.
My god, think of the horror that would be maintaining this technological terror after the warranties expire.
C63’s advantage over the M3 was always the soundtrack, now it barely has an advantage over its younger sibling the C43. Not sure why the engineers couldn’t tune the sound in the cabin a bit better, it’s all just fake noise anyway, make it sound closer to a V8.
Evaluating this car on its own merit, the engineering is amazing. But with so much going on, this car will be an absolute nightmare to maintain, and so complicated I doubt we will see many with second and third owners like the vehicles of old. Seems like they should have gone one final love letter to ICE and then moved to electric for the next generation like BMW has likely done.
Wow, is that new C20 AMG E-performance?!
I Just LOVE This Video ! Thank You !!! Merry Christmas !
Im now waiting for some dude to rip out the 4 pot and shove the 4.0l V8 in
You will rarely ever see a Mercedes with a engine swap
20:03 RIP small animal 🤭 outside it sounds OK but that fake interior sound would drive me mad after a while, another reason I didn't buy the 45s and am waiting on a 43.
Great video dude, top notch as always
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a hybrid with a 400+ hp 4-banger and a small battery that gets discharged and recharged multiple times a drive.
perfect combination for excellent longevity thats for sure.
500kg battery small?
3:05 you are welcome
In reality, this is the C200e AMG 😃
Yes,very good.I rather take 4 cylinder AMG instead of all electric “AMG”.overall,the new c63 is perfect car,but am sure that all the amg fans will miss the v8,hope they bring v8 back to c and e series.
tbh the review sounds too positive. Other reviewers had a big problem with the weight and dynamics. Comparing it to an E63s saloon and at that point, why not take the E63s? Its almost the same but theres still a V8.
I haven't seen any reviewers with issues with handling dynamics. Can you specify? I'd like to see those to understand the concerns. thx
@@senorgato70 true, its more dynamic than ever despite the weight, reviewers were disappointed at lack of emotion at the expense of extra weight.
I WOULD take the E63. In fact I have, video coming soon. Comparison was only in terms of dynamics, not emotion.
Why should he reiterate what everyone else is saying when is his opinion and his channel?
tbh, even today after an year, I get it why sone people would buy a C63 with the 4 banger, but personaly and this is for many buyers, if this car has 2 power modes and you feel like it has and it has not got power you will think that the car is not good and probly switch to a BMW M3.
Even tho I think that the M3 and M4 come at 200kg too much on the scales, they have a 6 cilinder engine and offer so much performance and confort and they are the best car out there overall. And if you want to experience V8 you can go towards the M5/M8 that I have not seen many examples, but plenty of them are out there and compared to the C63, I have seen much more M2, M3, M4, M5 and M8 individuali. I have experienced an older M4 and I loved it. I have experienced an older M5 V10 and loved it.
The problem is not the 4 banger, it is the weight and fact that this is a heavy luxury saloon that has a 4 cylinder and a hybrid sistem that makes it kinda souless and this is why it flops
Nice bit of editing at the end too, good job 👍
not a mercedes fan myself, but honestly, a c63 should have a v8 or at least a v6 if they really need to install an engine with less displacement. If I want a quick car with a four cylinder engine I'd buy something like a golf r, but a c63 needs a v-engine
I always knew it. The V8 wasn’t going nowhere. It’s in the E class in the S class.I wouldn’t be surprised if it made a return to the C class later in the future.
Mercedes is going fully electric after this..
You're not very smart XD
@@gunterlauch2264 not fully electric because I read it in some regions they’re still keeping combustion engines.
@@Straightarrow213 where I live electric cars ain’t happening not for ten years at least!!!!
It'a a nice car but that's it really. All cars in this segment will be quick and fun regardless of the engine. What seems to be lacking here aside from real sound, is SOUL. This and many new cars just lack soul. And this is coming from someone who's had 10+ AMGs and 2 black series cars. After my 205 c63 coupe, I went for a g80 M3 comp. and still happy with my decision. I'm also looking forward to comparing my upcoming M2 to the 2020 CLA45 I had for a bit, which was great but felt kinda cheap for what I paid.
The new C43 is a proper modern update to the w205 C43 with only the engine downsized while speed and dynamics were improved. This new C63 is way too different from the last one and the hybrid setup does more harm than good in a vehicle of this class that has historically been mid-high 3000s in weight. I wish Mercedes had chosen to put a beefed up E53 engine or an enlarged m139 or even a hella boosted m139 in this car to have a decent compromise in downsizing while retaining most of the C63 characteristics.
Also, I think you made a minor mistake when saying the pre facelift had a dual clutch.
The new c43 feels slower and lacks emotion and noise. It’s a step back
This was a great review buddy 👌 i very rarely watch any car content on youtube any more, i cant stand the in your face over enthusiasm to try and drive views. I like that you speak properly and dont use "innit"
Subscribed 👍
This is just more proof that ill never get rid of my 507 Coupe ... sure it looks great but it makes little sense to me :/ C43 with bodykits are gonna almost identical and on the road soon I feel like ... Id rather have a V8 in there and just 500 HP instead of 680 with a 4 cyl
AMG engineers are the guys that sit in the back of the class, throw eggs at the teacher and fart loudly. In this instance the principal dropped into the class, lectured them on how throwing eggs wastes vital food and farting enlarges the hole in the ozone layer, and were then told them to behave or they'd be expelled. So they built what they were told to build, not what they wanted to build. And here we have it. A four banger AMG. My God. What a miserable world.
perfect example of what happens when a manufacturer builds a car for politicians and not for their customers. what a shame.
Spot on
i bought one of the last C43 as i needed 4x4 where i live. i suspected this would happen so i had it upgraded by brabus to 450 bhp and 600 plus torque and its amazing the sound seems to have got louder and it pops and bangs everywhere.. M3 estate next i think
Sad day, glad I got a M3 Xdrive, still have emotion
Mercedes are telling us that this is the car they had to make, yet Ford have just announced that they are about to launch a Mustang called the Dark Horse with a 5.0 atmospheric engine producing 500bhp🤷🏻♂️😂
The fact that one of the C63’s most vocal supporters is disappointed in what this new car has become, and what it stands for, regarding the most important aspects of driving dynamics (even though he likes the car overall), says A LOT.
I’m sure it will sell loads, but despite this, I doubt it will ever be remembered as a “success”. Only time will tell.
Having massive respect for AMG as a brand myself, I must say this new C63 has lost most of it from me, even though a very capable machine yes, I can’t help but feel this C63 is all substance, but no flavour, no soul👎
*BMW M3 F80 owner.
10:22 "It's not impossible to keep a car like this from being dynamic." In other words, "it is possible to keep a car like this from being dynamic." Yeah I agree -- by making it over 2 tons
How it should have been:
- Mild hybrid like the C43 AMG
- A45s engine reworked
- electric assisted turbo
- small electric motor (adding 20hp and 200nm of torque to help the combustion engine at low rpm)
- 9 Speed DCT gearbox
- Rear wheel drive only
- no rear steering (because it feels awkward to drive)
- Make it has light has possible (with carbon panels and so on)
- focus on the driving experience (exhaust note, dynamics, feedback from the controls, etc...)
Done!
how it should have been:
- a v8
@@alpha-cf2oiprecisely 😂
Your honesty is much appreciated, we all feel the same 😢
I love 4 cylinder turbos but all hold a 63 to a completely different standard
You get 4 cyl turbos in dozens of cars for half the price or less, absolutely not worth AT ALL, Mercedes must be taking you for idiots if they expect you to buy this.
Thank you for saying it how it is. Makes me even more grateful that I’ve got a V8 W205 coupe to cherish
🙏Please Raz, I don't know how nobody told you, but please, you should upgrade your microphone in pro of the overall video quality. I love your videos and you, but your voice in all the videos sounds so muted that I always need to raise the volume to 100% to hear you propperly. You are the best catching exhaust sounds, but not your voice. I wonder I'm not the only one with this opinion. Maybe you can ask for one on christmas 😉 Keep going and have a nice Christmas!
So glad I've seen this post I have a V6 GLC43 and even the dealer has told me to hang on to it as the 4 cylinder is not the same
just what I want when I buy a european muscle car, absolute silence. that really gets my emotions going