2019 Honda Talon 1000R In-Depth Ride Review
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2019
- The much anticipated Honda Talon 1000 X and R machines are finally here and we didn't hesitate to get our hands on one and start testing! Honda is claiming that these new machines are the best built and best engineered vehicles in their class. We set out to find out for ourselves what this new side x side is capable of and how it compares to the other full sport machines that are currently available on the market. The new DCT transmission is probably the biggest stand out of this new machine as it comes in place of the industry standard CVT clutch design. No more broken belts or worry of slipping the belt! That amongst all the other features of the new Talon Sport Side By Side make it the talk of the industry. Watch and find out what Eric thinks of the exciting new Honda 1000R.
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the detail this guy talks about this awesome machine this helps so much i know dirt bikes and atvs very well raced atvs in the woods and tt and flat tracks my hole life but pretty new at sxs this guy knows what he is talking about i have been in the game for over 30 yrs
Drove one of these last weekend on a mud park. Had so much fun driving this in manual mode 2wd sliding all over the mud. Coming from my Jeep Wrangler, this was absolute blast.
Wow the latest videos you guys are killing it!
Very good review. I am really liking your channel. Keep the reviews coming.
I really enjoyed learning more about the Talon. It is easy to just get in and drive but this video taught me how to get more out of this awesome toy! I can't wait to get back on the trails.
best review I have seen yet . seemed honest and open minded
Love little Moab. Not to far from home. Nice review. The hill you went down showing the engine breaking, is way steeper then it looks in the video.
Nice Honest review. Thanks for posting. Son-in-Law will be picking up his Honda Talon 100 X on this Friday, says the Dealership!
OMG I love this channel
I'm really loving this!
A quick suggestion. Turn the music down and the engine sound up.
...definitely the MUSIC down!! Eeeeeesh!! lol
Thank you for sharing about adjusting your doors. I just picked up a 2020 and now the doors don’t rattle at all!
Honda Civic has the same door adjustment.
I think it’s great that it holds a ton of oil. It means it’s going to run cool and live a long time. It’s the same reason there 600cc and 1000cc street bike engines are so bullet proof.
The auto trans will no doubt get better gas mileage than a belt driven machine. You don't have to be so high in the rpm range to get it to move. And no more broken belts!!
dunerinaz....Okay, what if the Computer goes south on the Honda DCT or the Transmission itself breaks? Is the belt system going to be less money to replace over the Honda Talon? I think so! Other machines use the belt system, just because they work well.
@@1gr8oil They work, but saying they work "well" is bit of a stretch.
@@pv2xeek Well, depending on how the machine is used, and the type of person using them, the belt system works very well. That's why the CVT system has been around so long on nearly ALL side X sides, as well as snowmobiles. I'll put it this way. A CVT belt will cost around $120.00 to $150.00 to replace, and again in most situations, that is what will fail. What would it cost to replace the Computer that operates the DCT, or the DCT itself.
I'm mot saying the DCT is not a bad design, but we don't know at this point how well the DCT will last in this application, where we do know how the CVT systems perform very well in many applications, as they have done for many, many years.
@@1gr8oil Whats easier to break a belt or a computer or a dct tranny.Pretty sure you need to double the cost of the belt because you always need a spare when you're riding so thats $300 dollars.DCT is way more reliable and longer lasting than a belt.
I just bought a Pioneer 1000 with the DCT. Dealer said they do not repair DCT's. They just replace them. $2400 for a new DCT not including labor.
Awesome machine, thanks for the video on this Honda talon i have learned a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great coverage!
Since it uses the brakes how well is that front diff going to work in the water and mud?
14:40 it’s always an open differential. Your slow mo footage shows it. It just uses the brakes to control torque distribution which is not as good as a locker splitting torque dynamically to the wheel with the most traction.
I have found that when I am driving the Honda 1000R it can be a jerky ride when you are trail riding in 2nd or 3rd gear. If you put the 1000R in low range then most of the jerky feel is eliminated and you can still drive any speed you would like. unless your going over like 50MPH.
what type of differential does it have? open? some sort of lsd? this system would be excellent with torsen lsd.
Great video, tanks
Great review man
Thank you for checking it out!
Awesome video
Good review, figured I would ask. How was the cockpit with the heat from the motor / transmission after riding for a few hrs?
Thanks! That is a good point that I should have covered! The heat in the cab was not as noticeable as other machines. Without a rear window and front window, it has very good airflow through the cab as well.
Question is how will it perform with a lift and big tires ? Axle snapper? Slug ? These are the things we want to know.
Looks fun, would love to drive a sport UTV someday!
They are really fun, family owns one and they are easy to get carried away in, flipped it within the first 60 seconds of driving it doing about 50 through a field luckily we had harnesses installed on ours, we stiffened the suspension and now she rides amazing, no problems rolling over unless u really try to
Nice review, music too loud need more of the Talon sound.
I know this is an older video but all I did was put Shock Therapy spring on and the gas pedal feedback was gone...
Still take my old big red ATC over any new utv. Although if i were to buy a utv, it would be the talon.
To soften up your throttle jerkiness as you were concerned about.
When on a slower trail section. Switch to manual mode and run in a taller gear than you normally or the machine in automatic mode would choose.
This will reduce the amount of torque applied in regards to on and off throttle effect.
You can’t do that with talons, they’ll kick back in gear. Only can shift down when needed to.
@@xxperkaholicgamerx7196 you can and they’ll only shift down if rpm’s are way too low.
How can it handle bigger tires... Problems retuning it...the transmission , heard problems..?
Looks great, I'd be happy with a Rancher haha
If you read the maintenance schedule, after the first 100mile oil change, you then change oil every 1200 miles.
Wonder if they gonna get the concept out base on the ridgeline
Awesome place to ride. Where was this filmed?
Would anybody be able to advise what trails are being ridden?
Great review. BTW - I've found on my 1000X that the Hill Start Assist only works if you're in i-4WD.
As always, thanks much for sharing.
Steve
I love DCT and have put almost 130k miles on street units in two GTI. I hope the gas mileage is good because we often do rides of over 100 miles with nowhere to fill up. I am also leery of the less than 8 gallon tank. Please follow up with some mileage info. 30 inch tires are a minimum for southern Utah desert. I would really like to know more about how the Talon works with all same size/offset wheels and 30” desert style tires. Thanks for the honest observations and I am anxiously waiting for more follow up. 👍😎
30's are going on today. I will try to get some mileage info this week. Thanks!
Selling my 2013 RZR now I want a Talon
If I buy a sxs it’ll be this. Fire department owned a Polaris and it was nothing but trouble. Didn’t have an alternator so you actually would have to drive it to charge it. Couldn’t just start it once every week and let it idle. And that belt just sucked. Had to drive it into a shallow creek and one the belt got a bit of moisture on it she would just spin.
By going to a twin disc clutch, if you wanted to run taller tires, could you without bogging down the motor? Thanks for sharing.
Good question. It is a Dual Clutch Transmission not a twin disc. I am curious about larger tires. We are actually throwing 30's on ours and it looks like they will clear fine. The initial engagement has a direct feel and it doesn't seem like there is much slipping and i'm hoping no bogging. To me, that means less heat buildup and that is less wear and tear. The Talon actually has a warning light for when the clutches are getting too warm. We are throwing the 30's on it and time will tell.
How much cargo space does it have?
When is the mugen edition coming out?
The talon looks really good, I hope I get a chance to drive one soon. I also hope this trans holds up better than the pioneers that friends of mine have had fail $$$.
Really what year pioneer and was it 1000 model was it still under warranty
2016 Pioneer 1k was only year that had any DCT issues. My 2018 has been flawless. Changed oil at 170mi and drained/filled diffs at 475mi. Don't have to do anything until 1370mi(2nd oil change).
I’m glad to hear it takes 6 quarts. Means the engine is going to live a long time.
You mean like how all Honda’s last 200 million years 😂
Does a higher volume have a correlation with engine life? I’m pretty uneducated on engine/auto concepts and genuinely curious. Thanks in advance!
@@ryanrobin12 more oil means it takes longer to pollute with engine wear, temps tend to stay lower as well, which is good for engine life. Most commuter and eco cara hold 5 quarts bad usually are about a 2Liter inline 4 so that's says slot considering this is 1 liter and 2 cylinders
Looks good Honda !!
Honda is the best !!
What was the fuel mileage like?
Im planning to buy a 2023 Honda talon 1000x in the spring.
The belt driven side by sides will be smoother and faster but I do think Honda is doing something cool. Definitely want to take one for a rip some day
Great review! For as wide as they are, not sold. I am interested in where Honda will go with it.
That's why there's a 1000-x (much more trail friendly).
Mine was a little jerky until after the first service. After everything was adjusted after first service, it feels like a completely different machine.
That's really good to know, we'll have to see if we notice the same thing with our machine.
Thanks for chiming in and letting us know that!
A HOnda employee told me the DCT breaks in and gets less jerky, we drove a brand new one and felt the same thing.
This would be a perfect way to explore Mars.
How did the 7 gal tank do?
Did I miss the fuel usage information or was it too terrible to mention?
In the sloppy mud; will both front tires lock or will this machine search from left front to right front tire and look for traction?
The system is pretty smart and seems to do fine in mud and it will not lock both the front wheels. There are plenty of videos of the Talon mudding and rock crawling where you can see the machine braking and adding power to one side or the other.
very interesting! to stop the idiots from can am to sale scraps for gold! May i ask if there will be complette enclosure cabin? Thank you.
At this point I don't see any full cab enclosures but I'm sure once the Talon's have been out for a little longer manufacturers will start making some options.
Huck a buck? Scene your...no comprendia. You helped me make up my head between Po Laris and .Red.
Can’t wait to see what the 4 seater has to offer. If it’s cheaper than an X3 Max Honda might earn my business. I have a Yamaha X4 currently and while it’s been a solid machine it’s slow, mediocre ride, and not the most agile rig at speed. I did the Can Am demo day and the ride quality ruined the Yamaha for me.
The place I bought my Pioneer 1000-3 from had a red 1000x-4 for $20,998.
Put it on some rollers so we can see how well the front wheel traction performs...
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Great for wide open roads what about northeast tight trail mud snow
Matt Smith
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Very cool and awesome review!
Had to stop watching at 19:00 because of motion sickness though. Helmet camera mount is too much for me I guess. :(
Thinking about trading my General !
How does the Maverick Sport XRC compare to the Talon?
time will tell the talon is new a lot of bugs to work out so as of right now maverick is better cam am are great machines so is honda
lol the maverick sport doesn't compare to the Talon X or R.
The most comparable Can Am would be the x3 turbo base. Not the X3 Turbo R
How does the noise level compare to the competition?
It sounds good! It definitely is there and slightly throaty. You can hear it but it is not obnoxious. No droning!
Well I have 70 miles on my 2021 honda talon 1000R and the front diff seal is leaking already.I am really disappointed in this model ,it is so hot inside the cab and i don't like the placement of the gauge cluster in the middle of dash you can't read the panel at that angle and I think in out of fuel when looking at the cluster. Yes it is jerky on the gas throttle,need to improve that head banger,whip lash
7.27 gal vs 9 gal, I'll say with reasonable certainty that a CVT will have at least a 20 percent reduction in fuel economy vs a six speed DCT, range would be the same if not better with the Talon.
My Pioneer 1k is a detuned Talon. It does fantastic on range. Rode for over 8.5hrs last week and maybe put 4gal in.
@@adamneill9237 Thank You for the confirmation. I've never been overly thrilled with CVT. Coming from a wolverine 350 5 spd semi auto to a grizzly 700 CVT there were several issues I wasn't very thrilled about.
Having to always be on the throttle just to be in motion seems counter intuitive. (I realize many cvt will freewheel) but the constant engine braking is annoying. Gotta be revving high when I could just be up shifting. Granted my displacement doubled but with a 5 gal capacity and averaging 20 mpg that's only 100 miles per tank.
One particular ride we were out for 12 straight hours. Towards the end mine was cutting out on corners, I thought it was overheating but I was just running out of fuel. (Light never came on) a few of the other guys had already run out and were borrowing gas just to get home. Not sure how many miles we did that day.
No control, no coasting, no down shifting. No crawling around at low rpm's drawing little little attention to myself, always making the same amount of noise.
Another critical issue I found is when I hit the brakes hard before cornering and the rear slides, letting off the brakes doesn't control the slide, it's a delayed reaction as the engine needs to catch up to the wheels in speed. I've never heard anyone mention or notice it, but I'm certain it's resulted in undesired results/injuries etc. Especially if the rider isn't aware or expecting this delay. It's a safety issue.
Final feeling, I don't feel as though this type of fuel consumption is warranted, and refueling after so few miles shouldn't be a concern. It's not going to change so my only choice in most cases is to accept the drawbacks and enjoy the performance advantages. The industry isn't going to change direction at this point.
GREAT video and format!! So, the i4wd has me concerned?? Hmmmm, i wonder how it would do in straight up MUD or a swap condition?? The kind that you see Rubicons or Polaris with 29" Mud tires with front locked and floating pulling forward. The CanAm with it visco front has always had me concerned in comparison to a TRUE LOCK front axle option.
Having an open diff and using brakes to transfer to the tire with more grip...sounds like traction control in cars. Even cars say to turn off traction control in super slippery conditions. So that sensation that you felt during that climb you talk about...is totally normal. NOT my idea of good for a SxS, ATV, or UTV. The sensation that you talk about with the DCT trans is also completely normal for DCT transmissions. It is essentially a manual transmission that is electronically shifted. Part of the inherent design.
Is this the same parallel twin as the africa twin?
Yes
I know this video is a year old but I just had the chance to drive one for about 30 miles recently and here are my opinions from a Can Am Commander owner.
I was very surprised how rough it was over whoops and light bumps and I have my Commander set at the stiffest setting.
Service interval for a Commander is 3000km (1800 miles) compared to this Honda at 600 miles.
Felt a bit cramped inside compared to my Commander but it was comfortable nonetheless.
I was surprised how loud it was. Everyone complains about the loudness of the Commander but this thing was just as loud if not louder.
Fit and finish was very nice.
No room from extra buttons for a winch, led lights etc.
The instrument cluster is awful! You can't see shit, seriously, very shocked how bad it was especially compared to how awesome the Commander XT cluster is. That's not a little issue.
The Honda was very fun to drive and handled corners well at high speeds. I definitely had fun.
Honda charges as much as a turbo Polaris or Can Am for a non turbo machine.
A lot of people have been having a lot of transmission issues with the first year model so far. Very disappointing considering Honda's reliability reputation.
I don't think I'd buy one but I think if you bought this machine you'd be happy.
The Honda i4wd system is similar to Toyota's ATRAC on the Landcruisers, 4runners, and Tacomas. I absolutely love that system and it seems like Honda has executed a solid system of their own. Personally I despise the Rzr lineup but these have raised my eyebrows. I'm very interested to see how these hold up. Any plans to review the X-model?
Why not RZR? I have not owned a Polaris anything for over a decade but my dad has 2 trail rzr and the 2008 rips up my wife's 2015 wildcat in every aspect other than suspension. His new 900 trail beats the Cat on everything including suspension. I truly appreciate honest opinions and I am brand agnostic other than Artic cat.
@@tysleight They are over priced junk. My uncle is the GM of our local Polaris dealership and my girlfriend had a 1000 Xp Turbo. They have too many weak links. I live 1 hour from Windrock OHV and every single time someone breaks. Even brand new stock Rzr's break A arms, axle shafts, steering components, or belts. I think they are seriously flawed in their engineering. Other people love them but I am a true hater, no matter how much I want to like them... SxS's are so much more convenient than buggies but they just haven't proven themselves strong enough to handle east coast terrain.
Awesome machines..!! Bought a lot of stuff from you guys in the past. check us out. team wax offroad
Imagine if Honda equipped one of these with a civic engine. Instant bullet proof reliability, longevity and great gas mileage.
Honda has bullet proof reliability with all of their engines...including motorcycles. Motorcycle tech is what you want in a package like this.
Or small version of the J Series V6 engine
So fuel mileage good? An maintenance hard?
@Alain St-Pierre what?
Sweet! Are they going to make a 4 seater?
There is a 4 seater with Fox Live shocks coming 2020. PLEASE put the live system on the 2 seaters too! It looks AMAZING.
They are out and start around $20,998
As much as I would like to buy one. I never buy a first year model. Why? because then Honda can work out the flaws and make the next years better.
My 1000X is also jerky. It improved with reduced air pressure in the tires (10PSI) and after some use. The suspension needs to break in.
I think a reduced power throttle spring would help a lot. Why don't you make one? I will be your first customer.
Not a bad idea... Thanks!
If you're going to bring it you need to make it look as good if not better than the Canam which Honda didn't do
Haha!!
This is not a music video, engine noise only we're gear heads here lol
The air filter setup is a problem. To clean the air filter you have to remove a large outer cover, which has 12 (I think) strong snap fasteners. Then remove 8 bolts which hold the air filter itself. When you take the large cover off there are 2 big air intakes that go directly to the engine. If you drop something (small parts, or dirt), into the intakes it disappears into oblivion. Also, any kind of an air leak in the big cover allows dirty air directly into the engine bypassing the filter. I've never seen a setup like this on a "dirt" machine.
Umm no... go to your local Honda shop and look at one that is 100% wrong.
You should not wonder about the DCT. The Pioneer has always had the DCT with the 998cc parallel twin and it shares this engine and trans with the CRF1000. NO BELTS!!!!
Where were you riding? Looks nice and open.
This is actually right here in our back yard near Payson.
Kills me to see people stepping away from the sport quads and sport bikes.. Someone needs to step up there game
Honda's are great, my grandma bought a honda van last yr. She loves driving it with her geriatric slippers
The Honda will Outlast your grandma
@@derrickkimsey1921 that's because top speed for a Honda driver is a brisk walk.
That's like saying Yamaha makes good pianos therefor they make great motorcycles
Pretty cool but I would rather NOT have Electronic Power steering in a off road machine, especially if I'm going to be riding way out in middle of the desert. Over all I would love to buy one just because Honda makes their stuff easy to get a lot of HP out of it. That is one thing I love they're stock slow but a few mods they becomes powerful.
The Ford Raptor has Electronic steering. It’s a better system.
Since it’s a 6 speed automatic they should have a manual option
Lol
No thanks. Buy a Yamaha if you want the stick
He said it does have a manual option via paddle shift. 3 shift modes available. If you would open your ears and listen he did say it.
I’m glad Honda finally made something. But, I’ve watched them in action and they are underpowered, slower (despite features like Nonbelt drive smart drive trans and launch control) and small fuel tank. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a quality build but why enter the market with weaknesses that could have been easily cured before introduction. It’s not any cheaper than competitors models or you could maybe justify. Although there’s a lot of new 2019 models sitting around with reduced pricing now...maybe worth it. Hopefully the aftermarket turbo will wake it up!
I don't know why you say there underpowered they rip we got to test drive the 2020 at King of the hammer has gobs of power would definitely clap a razor 1k but I will say it would be sick to see one with a turbo
Jared Z not sure what clapped means but I’ve personally witnessed multiple drags races against stock RZR 1Ks and stock Talons, always close, but never seen a Honda beat it, even on pavement with launch control. Thus the fact that I stated before, Honda released it knowing it was underpowered to begin with. I’m sure the transmission helps decrease power loss compared to a belt drive in stock form but it wasn’t enough to really beat the competitors. Honda held back for some reason, probably durability and knowing most who ride it will be satisfied with it.
104hp is fine on these. Want something more nimble, there's the 1000-x instead of the wider & longer 1000-r. Turbo kit is just over $3g's but then you're filling it up all the time(just like the turbo rzr 1000)
Adam Neill RZR turbo is good on gas plus has full size tank compared to Talon. Another thing I’m surprised Honda didn’t address before release. There is plenty of aftermarket options though for extra fuel capacity to carry with you, just kind of a hassle.
My buddy passes everything but a gas station on his '19 RZR turbo
Needs boost !! 🔥🔥
Kit costs a tad over 3g's. Basically unusable in wooded trails where I'm at in NWPA. Buddy has a turbo rzr1000 and complains about having to fill up everyday.
Don’t waste time on garbage cam am or Polaris. Purchase the Honda Talon The Power Of Dreams.
Little Moab?
I need a 50" model.
The hill assist is so dumb. Ever heard of left foot braking??🤦♂️
Lol it’s not gonna rattle right now it’s brand new, just put about 40 hours and i bet you it will.
Thanks for the video but I'll stick with my Kawasaki Teryx they came with a 3-year factory warranty it it won't go as fast as a 1000cc machine but it does everything else those machines can do without having to spend $23,000 by the time you're out the door but if you are in Glamis or wide-open desert where you would want to go over 55 miles an hour then a 1000cc machine is for you
That's why Honda has a 72hp Pioneer 1000. Awesome true UTV that can also rip to 67mph if you need to. Cost was under $10.5k
Don't think brakes are going to last long if their being applied all the time to get the front diff to work. Stupid decision from Honda, should be a true locker like the Pioneer. Not at all impressed!
Could be a much better machine if Honda would pull their heads out of their butts.
Pretty good review thanks for taking the time to do one.
i4wd was the worst thing honda could have done, use brakes to even out the front spin yeah lets rob power and also lets dig out the foundation of one tire before the other spins. also they suck ass in the mud the brakes dont hold and your back to 3wd. they had it made with complete 4wd controls and locker with the pioneer, i4wd is the only reason im not buying a honda talon ill wait for after market delet kit with a real locker. have rode with many pioneers with i4wd and it just dont cut it
Can am beats the competition
Little Moab eh
Donald Trump......Where is "Little Moab"? I know Utah, but where in Utah?
wayne owen just google little moab Utah and it should come up
@@Kyle-fu6en Thanks very much for the quick reply!
just shared on hondatalon.net
Honda makes great machines but the digital display is a major failure, it’s difficult to read, and poorly positioned.