Why NEW Riders Should Stay Away From Sport Bikes
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21 year old beginner rider here, started on a BMW 650 GS and I've almost crashed more times than I like to admit. Every time I think I'm about too, I just stay calm, stay with the breaks and envision fast Eddies face. I've been able to save my bike with just a light drop once or twice instead of dying. Thank you for creating this channel really, not joking. Also love that comments are on.
Go easy on the brakes. One finger is all you really need unless you're about to smash into a car. Also The bike will always go where you are looking.
If I can throw another piece of mind, don’t react make sure you’re already on a gameplan on any street. But yes one thing I’ve seen from self experience if you cant brake good yet go slow till your more comfortable. Stay safe and keep riding ! Always remember you gotta make it home
That bike is way too big for a noob like you. You should be on a 300 and learn how to ride first. Then you can step up in power as your riding improves …
@@ma3stro681 i convinced my friend to start on an MT-09 😁😁
The 650 is not a big bike. The 1250 Adventure is...😊 If your problem is lower speed, use the rear brake. It makes a huge difference. I have a 750.
Thank you for turning the comments on. PHUCK THE BAD APPLES, it's not fair to the rest of the barrel.
What happened I never heard why he turned them off ?
@@xx_mysticwolf_xx1492trolls we're going hard af and it was stressful
@@xx_mysticwolf_xx1492Haters goin a hate.
Seriously. I love this channel and I like going to the comments because you find some gems from experienced riders. Unfortunately you also get lots of trolls and idiots in the biker community just like any other community
@@giggityeffyou true, and with bikes everybody think they Rossi 😆
If anybody has any doubt about what MotoJitsu is saying here, just think about this for a second: He had a Fireblade (1000cc) and had all the training anyone could get, and he still crashed. He isn't just talking out of nowhere; he experienced the things he is saying.
Truth! Facts!
Some crashes happen regardless of training. What bike you're riding when that happens doesn't change anything.
I can say that this guy is not as good as he think he is. My first proper bike was Kawasaki ZZR600, done approx 100k in 3 years with it and newer crashed. I continued with Yamaha YZF1000, done another 50k and still no crash. In my carrier I have done more than 400k and had only 3 crashes (1 from doing fast wheelie on R1, 1 from gravel on the tarmac ZX-9R, 1 traffic accident not my fault). I say sport bikes are the most safe to ride since they have the best driving characteristics, problem is in driver.
@@RideWithGecyeah, people love to praise this guy for no real reason. i actually was given my license (essentially, he isn’t the DMV) from MotoJitsu as he was my coach a few years back. He’s not a total idiot but he’s not the “almighty god of motorcycling” that people say he is. he’s just a dude who happens to be a coach.
@@KellerFkinRyan I think you are spot on about this guy. He is very average and he teaches some techniques that can harm instead to be beneficial.
Great to see you with comments. Thanks for this video. Started on a 175cc Yamaha and progressed through a CB450 to a 750 Honda. The early learning on the smaller and lower powered bike was really worthwhile. It was also fun trying to get the best out of the smaller bike and me as well. The 750 was great to ride and I was pleased that I had the earlier experience on the 175.
46 years old. Just bought my first bike after talking myself out of one for 20+ years. I got a 2023 KTM 390 Adventure because it's well-reviewed and... small. I know I know *nothing* but with channels like this and the community around it I'm looking forward to learning.
Thanks for all the content!
It should be MANDATORY for sales people to show this video to customers who think about buying sportbikes for their first bike.
If you assume that every single human on earth is dumb, then yes I would agree.
True
@@monkeytheo. 50% of people are dumber than the average…..
It's been my experience that you would turn out to be right a lot more often than you should with that assumption.
@@monkeytheo 81 million votes, J6, COVID vax, Chinese Spy Balloon, Ukraine war, George Floyd, TDS. Yes and yes.
I agree. Sport bikes are at another level. No wonder manufacturers call them Super Sports.
Back in 2014, I got a lightly used gsxr750. It was my second bike. But after the 4th crash in a year, the bike was totaled due to my lack of experience.
The combination of training and experience is what keep riders from crashing.
Great video! Thanks!
Nowadays, sportbikes are full race machines with a plate and blinkers. Anything with over 150hp at 400lbs and a top speed of nearly 200mph is NOT an ordinary motorcycle or meant for everyone. In fact, why would you even want to ride something like that on public roads where you cannot get the "full" potential of the bike? Racetracks are there for that reason.
I learned the hard way that training was important. I was just lucky.
Nowadays I think that a new rider starting on a super sportbike is like a new pilot starting on an F-16.
@@tedmarakas2626people definitely ride these bikes to their full potential on the streets.not the smartest thing to do tho.
Started on a scooter last year and upgraded to a naked cb650r. I’m loving it and the power delivery is so linear. No plans on upgrading for a year or two.
I've had mine for a few seasons and put about 20,000km a season on it so far and she looks and runs like brand new still. I guess you wouldn't expect less from a Honda though.
Great bikes for sure!
Started on a GSXR 600 six years ago (no incidents on the road so far, knock on wood), agree with all the points made. It can be done, but realize you're signing up for the additional challenges and temptations.
Adonai bless you
Would love to be able to afford any one of theJapanese four 600 r class as a new rider as my position is discipline as I cannot afford buying a smaller motorcycle prior to one I desire. I say apply the lessons taught by DanDan and Motojitsu
@@oariv Are you not listening to MotoJitsu ?? He clearly States to not start on a supersport. The comment made by the guy above only learned skills to survive the bike rather than actual techniques and grow from there to learn more advanced techniques. Nobody thinks you're cool if you're on a r6, you look an idiot and it's embarrassing. Did Valentino Rossi started racing on prototype cutting edge race bikes ?? Of course not.
I'm 29, I got my driver license 1 month ago and even before having the license I bought a brand new ktm duke 390, SUPER HAPPY WITH IT. Is light, fast enough to learn how to overtake vehicles and yes, the wind on my chest when going over 80-90 miles/h I agree with you is necessary to keep speeding down as a beginner! I keep practicing in a parking and I'm going to do a driving course this month, after just 1000 kms on my back.
Have fun man! I got my ninja 400 two months ago and its freaking awesome, in the tight mountain roads you can easily catch up with bigger cc bikes. In the end you save on gas and have more fun revving the engine way up and changing gears, and feels super easy is at slower speeds and U-turns.
I'm 38, started riding 2 years ago on a used cbr300r and just recently upgraded to a brand new 2024 zxxer 636. The first thing I noticed was the weight difference and how limited the steering was. I am glad you touched base on this in the video because it is very true, smaller bikes have way more turn radius which makes it easier to learn and hone your riding technique. I have been a subscriber for a while now and purchased your app in support and I must say there is A LOT of great information in there from practicing basic techniques to more advanced maneuvers and much more! Also, something you once said in a video a while back stuck with me when I was just starting out and that is "I'd rather sweat than bleed." it is imperative that any rider new or old wear gear! I have had a lot of friends go down, hospitalized and even died because they weren't wearing enough gear or their gear was poor quality in my biker community. The only thing I would add in the video is once you upgrade your bike, upgrade your gear as well! your beginner gear will most likely be cheap and poor quality. We all share a common bond and with that said, stay safe out there family!
hey, same age and started riding 1 year ago, i still riding my honda NC750x with DCT, just super to commute in city. but slowly thinking in riding something cbr660 like, just love the sound.
i can really recommend motorbike learn sessions, breaking, swerving, cornering. btw im from austria and here in europe we have alot of training camps.
i have a gixxer 600 too! love it and it's so true about how fast you're going and you think you're doing much less
It is so much more fun to learn on bikes that aren't constantly luring you into Moto GP level scenarios or trying to buck you off in parking lots. I went through the gambit of bikes learning to ride beginning with a Ninja 250R. You will make mistakes, crash and ride ignorant of your surroundings such as all drivers waking up with your picture on their bathroom mirror and orders to seek and destroy. A good test to see if your skill matches your ambition is ask yourself, do you know your suspension settings, do you know which tires you have on, do you know how much psi you have in your tires and why? If not, the bike may be riding you and this never ends well. Riding is for everybody! Please take your time walking towards your riding goals 😊
My across the street neighbor has never rode a MC and has never taken a course. Everybody at his "shop" has a Harley, so he bought one too. Watching him and one of his "work buddies" help him try to ride it up and down the block and into his garage was scary, very scary. Thankfully, once parked in the garage, there it has sat. Pride, overweening pride, testosterone poisoning and adrenaline addiction and the fact that dealerships will eagerly talk you into and sell you anything means that there are way more MC deaths and serious injuries than there needs to be. All that and the fact that in my area, only the most basic MC safety classes are taught on a single weekend, once a year, so there is precious little training that novice riders can get or even know about. If I owned a dealership, I would insist that new, unskilled riders buy a beginner's bike in addition to their big monster to both sooth my conscience and increase my profit.
Totally right. I have fun on my 300. I don’t have to be worried about anything unexpected with the power and can manage it.
Starting off at 29 myself as well… on a rocket of a bike: royal enfield hunter 350 😂 . I can push all 20 hp without too much risk around the bends. Because of videos like yours and copious amounts of practice, I out handle a lot of these heavier cruiser dudes on tight corners
I tried a triumph triple and immediately realized how absurd that torque and power is for a beginner …
Let those big bikes know who is boss xD
I 100% believe you shouldn’t ride or drive a powerful track weapon on the street until you can really master a hunk of junk, and make that slow vehicle go fast. You will be at the edge of its capabilities at much safer speeds, you will learn efficient cornering, maintaining momentum, smooth shifting etc all to keep that slow car or bike going quick.
Why do some people think that the public roads are for racing? I live in upstate NY. Last week 6 deaths. Started riding last year...having second thoughts
I started as a teen on smaller dirt bikes (Honda XR80's and 100's). I just got back into riding after 25 years and got onto a Honda CRF250L; took a lot of time to practice the basics in parking lots before getting back out and opening the throttle... and it has paid off. No way I'd jump into a sport bike first, even now.
Great advise. I grew up riding starting on a Honda Z50 and up. First street bikes I rode were sport bikes. After a couple of Harley’s I went back to to a Ninja 636. After not riding for quite a few years I got my Suzuki GSX-S 750 and now I wish I would of went a little lighter and full sport like a R7. I am 59 and 6’6” and I am still comfortable on a bike the size of a R7, I can even have a ton of fun on a Ninja 400. Use MotoJitsu’s advise, start small and learn and you will be smoking people on there big bikes before long.
He's 100% right, sports bikes are not designed for the road. Going beyond what he's talking about, how're the gear ratios? 1st gear going to 100mph sounds pretty cool, right? But, in reality your high powered bike is slower off the line than most road bikes out there. Where's the power band? Oh, that's right, if you want to ride under (or close) to the speed limit you'll never see the power band on the road. This makes the bikes less fun, you'll be operating in the bottom 10% of its potential. It's really quite sad. Let's keep going... How're are the ergonomics? Are you happy leaning forward at 40mph? Your body won't love it for very long, to the point where you are not comfortable and are dredding the next ride. How's the seat? I hope it's cushy...nope it's a plank of wood and you won't last 120 miles before needing a break. It's like driving a dragster as your daily driver, sounds like a good idea, right? How many people would actually do that more than once? You can tell beginners not to get a sports bike for safety reasons, but that's not even the major consideration. Bottom line, sports bikes are designed for the track, get a road bike it'll be much more fun on the road.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been riding every day for 13 years. And on and off for 25 years. My bike history:
- dirt bikes as a kid.
- Triumph Thruxton 900 (chill, slow, old low power engine)
- MT09 (effing mental. Sold quickly. Waaaaay too much power, even though I’d been riding for 5 years every day at the time)
- DRZ400SM - most fun bike I ever owned. Epic. (Except on motorway, then terrible).
- KTM 390 Adv ‘23 - absolute winner for 1 up riding. Not as fun as the DRZ, not as pretty as the triumph. But amazing power delivery, super happy up to 160kph. Fun, nimble, super quick around town, countryside and offroad.
All this to say, I have a lot of experience, (not saying I’m the best rider obviously), and I still think that I have a LOT more to learn before touching a sports bike again.
That MT09 was an absolute monster. 0-60 mph in 2.95 seconds, 0-100 mph in 5.82. Quarter mile in 10.7s.
Your brain quite literally cannot process the acceleration. Amazing sensation, but you are 100% accepting a huge amount of additional risk by riding a bike like that without decades of experience and lots of additional learning/training/practise.
I say this not to be a dick, but because these are my personal experiences and feelings. I may be a “pussy”, but I just want to share this, so as to make others feel confident in themselves when they plant their flag with a more conservative bike.
Wise words, passed at 44 years old, KTM 950sm.
As a still relatively new rider (2 years in with training and cornering courses) I can absolutely vouch for this. Learned to ride on a Ninja 250R and have only recently upgraded to a 2005 Yamaha R6. Just the ergos alone would have been a huge detriment to my ability to learn my riding technique. These 600cc+ sport bikes are no joke. They are heavier, they are powerful, and they are generally not the most comfortable things to sit on. Learn the fundamentals on a forgiving bike. These 600s can get you into trouble really quick. It isn't just throttle control. It's cornering comfort and confidence. Be safe everyone.
Not to cause any negativity on your post, but why does everyone seem to mention weight? A lot of bikes nowadays are sitting around 380-440, my Honda CB500F was at 410 I believe, if not, 400. A lot of the supersports I see don't usually fly over 440, is it that much of a difference? I've sat them and felt fine, but haven't rode one myself on the street yet.
@@NPurvis7622 fair point. The 250R vs the R6 "feel" farther apart in weight. I think this may be to different centers of gravity. On totp of that, I'm a short and small rider so those smaller changes in height and weight make a bigger difference. For reference, I'm 5'4" and 137lbs. That being said, as I've gotten more time on the R6, the difference didn't feel that bad anymore. Just took some time to get used to.
@@NPurvis7622 also, the weight plays a big part in slow speed maneuvers. You really feel the difference. Ergos also affect this dramatically. Sport bikes have miserable ergos to be able to handle at lower speeds.
Would you recommend a kawasaki ninja 300 no abs for a beginner? This is the bike I have on hold by the dealership.
@@daebak7370 honestly not a big deal to ride a bike without ABS. Just make sure you take the time to learn proper emergency braking technique. Find an open parking lot or an empty road. Ride at different speeds and practice applying brake pressure. Squeeze the orange. If you haven't done a beginner rider courses it's worth doing. NEVER quickly grab front or rear brake.
This is very helpful. I started on a 125 Grom, then went up to the CB300r, now I have the Kawasaki Z400 and Ninja 400. I remember when you posted a video years ago stating that no one should start on anything too high in the CCs, I believe you said, 3-500cc and below. Glad I listened.
I started on a 1100cc Africa Twin. At was a little heavy and tall for a new 5'6" rider but I have a far amount of experience of 800+hp cars so I am familiar with speed and the dangers associated with it. I've been riding every chance I get this 1st year and hopefully in 2024 I can step into a powerful naked bike and take some advanced rider classes.
I started riding 2 years ago when I was 56! Yes I am a 100% newbie putting around on my MT-03. That said, I have not yet been in a situation where I felt in jeopardy in any way. A lot of this is dumb luck, however I believe that my 40 years of experience being a cager has equipped me with a lot of judgement and ability to anticipate danger that a 16 year old simply cannot possess. I don't know how, but somehow I am able to tell if someone is about to turn left in front of me, before they have even moved. Somehow experience allows you to identify people who are non-attentive or simply don't care.
Started riding last year on a 300 at 48 but had to let the bike go in May of this year for some reasons. Missing it badly and hope to get back to it by next season, health and other factors permitting.
Totally agree with this. Started riding at 40 after 24 years of driving a car - and I guarantee that makes a huge difference. I am much safer than a 16 year old because I have tons of experience driving already. I’m transferring skills, not learning all new ones.
@@Wileylikethehawkit's not the going that matters, it's the stopping and knowing how to dump your bike. Yes I said dump your bike. If you can't stop with the rear wheel barely off the ground, you need to learn.
@@gates2122 Dumping the bike seems counter-intuitive.
@@Wileylikethehawkit's definitely not counterintuitive if it's you or the bike 100 if you think you're about to get smashed dump the bike
I stopped riding motorcycles on the road back in 2005. I have been riding dirt off and on. I took my MSF got my endorsement and started test riding bikes. I road a sport bike and immediately regretted it. There is a lot of riding technique involved with riding them, especially at low speed and on a mixed surface. I have a naked and it’s got enough power to pass but not a lot of power to get into a lot of trouble. Just enough trouble.
First bike literally last week is a gsxr600. I got reading material and your drills. We'll see how this goes.
I always love your videos man. They made me a better rider in every aspect. Thanks for being my first motorcycle teacher 🤙🏼
I love how the GSXR hasn't changed since the 90's lmao, I actually want one. Unfortunately both 750 and 1000 variants have been phased out in my country.
You're absolutely right man. I recently begun to pick up riding again on a Ninja 650R, and I've ended up dropping the poor thing more times than I'd like from simply practicing. The weight of the bike is mildly overwhelming and so is the posture. I've sold it to a good friend and opted to begin practicing again on a cruiser instead and it's making a world's difference.
Where I live, as a new rider 17 and above you are forced to ride a 125cc for a year. Before you get a full 125cc license, you take a practical test, then you have to hold a full 125cc license before you get your unrestricted license. If you’re riding everyday during that first year you learn a lot
I started on a DR650. No auto anything, no ride modes, nothing. Started a year ago (48 yrs young mainly cause i assessed my risk and realize my blood is no longer 100% piss and vinegar). I also heard a similar thing to what you said, no other bikes for 1 year. I did that. Not having abs is awesome for practicing skills. Got in the dirt and pushed till i started sliding my rear, washing out my front and forcing myself to learn what happens when things go sideways. I have a lot to learn still, but thanks to you, your app, and other youtubers im slowly getting more confident with every ride/practice session.
So true. If I had my current bike when I started I would have sent myself into a hedge at the first corner, and my current bike isn’t even a sports bike, just a muscle cruiser.
100% agreed. for reference imagine a pilot being rated for a Cessna 172 and then going and flying a high performance aircraft with NO training they will probably be overwhelmed and end up crashing and or dead.
I always feel the same. I'm so glad I didn't get a sport bike when I was young. I would not likely still be here. Great advice as always.
A professional motorcycle racer once told me, Supersports are like driving a F1 race car. They are meant for the track. He said he never takes his sport bikes on the streets, only the tracks. He rides less powerful motorcycles on the public roads. Said the bikes are too fast, there are too many obstacles to watch out for on the streets and the odds are against you. Very interesting comment.
Started on a 80 PS naked bike, crashed a few times, just fucked up my gear and foot pegs, no injures. Got classes and track days, switched to sport bike, never crashed since and I am fast as duck boi on the track and know what I'm doing know. Starting on the sports bike I have now wouldn't have ended well.
I can relate to this video so bad I started on an r3 for 3 years did 25,000km ( I’m from Aus Melbourne )did 4 advance course and level 1 and 2 of California super bike school also bought your book to do training just bought my dream bike 2023 s1000rr m package and so confident on it now thanks so much ❤❤❤
Started on 600rr, full analog, no aides. It still humbles me from time to time so I have a respect for it being far more competent than I am. For an 18 year old sportbike it is still a functional rocket.
29 year old beginner here, started on a BMW G310R a few weeks ago and have no regrets. I'm lightweight, this bike still scoots. If you can, don't ride anywhere but low traffic neighborhood streets and parking lots until you can get confident you can ride without stalling or endangering yourself.
I took an MSF class; I did not pass the skills exam, but I rescheduled it to pass this time after getting some self practice in. Even if I didn't pass the MSF, the advice there is extremely valuable. Also, PRACTICE THE SLOW SPEED STUFF! That's where I got messed up in the MSF. Now I'm much more comfortable with slow speed maneuvers. Not perfect, not even great, but far better than I was before I started.
I started on a cbr600rr, still on said bike and I've been doing just fine, I definitely don't try to ride out of my skill level. I've slowly progressed on skill and I tend to keep improving. Good video though !
Your a legend man!! Really appreciate how much I have learnt from you over the past few months, learning will always continue. Currently I have a 125cc naked bike which round my area is more than enough speed for the roads, a bigger bike would be ideal for overtaking sometimes but maybe next year :)
Motojitsu is preaching baby steps ! You can learn on a Sportbike just fine, I’ve done it and many I know have too ! Just be cautious and realize your a beginner ! It’s more about the individual and we’re not all the same. Experience is the key not the type of bike !
I definitely agree. I just chose a 400cc and luckily I’m handling it well right off the bat. Definitely choose a lower cc if you are staying with a sport. 😂 My only issue right now is downshifting from 6th down to 1st and properly rev matching to a stop light 😅 gonna keep watching your videos and of course I’ll shut up and practice
Dude if your Issue Shifting back from the 6 Gear to the first Gear, when you see a Stop Light, My Advice if you have ABS on your Bike ? , My Advice Use first the Front Brake Press it Slowly Than The Rear Brake Slowly. And do That 200 Meters Before the Stop Light and Shift Back that you Can Stop Easly By Hitting The Front Brake Slowly , " We Learn here in The Netherlands first our Theory Than Go to Driver School if we do not have our Driver Licence yet , By a Instructor whom learns us First AVB , Which stands for how to Handle the Bike , " We need to do All Kinds of Tests , Which include Shifting from the First Gear to The 3 Gear , Driving 30 or 35 Km , Per Hour , And Learn a Stop Brake By Shifting Back to the first Gear and Try to Stop between 2 Pions , . Also we need to Learn ' Circle With The Bike between 8 Pions , Driving 50 Km Per Hour , And Using our Hips ' From left to Right , To Get Through the 8 Pions , ETC ETC , if we Succeed ' All Tests . Than we can Get AVD , Which Stands for Hitting on the Road Learn riding on the Highway And Town , ' The Instructor And Examinator , Help us in Both Examinations , If you Succeed in Both , Than its Time to Go to the State Building And Ask for our Driver licence ,
Laws in Europe are Prity Strickt Since The Euro 5 Law Regulations for Motor Bike's ' Even for Cars or Scooter , ' So my Advice Dont Drive Fast Learn on a Parking Lot How to Handle Braking when you see a Stop Light , Just imagine that in your Head Even While there is not a Stopping Light of Course on a Parking Lot , Or Just Go to a Cheap Driving School Whom can Learn you Handle The Shifting Gear How to Stop before a Traffick Light , ' Hope you Catch my Drift Buddy ? , Which you All the Best And Please Take it easy on the Road , Because A Car can Switch from Traffick Lane Without Watching that a Motor Bike is Behind Him or Her , ' Specially on Highways , ' And if you as a Beginner Rider on your Motor Bike Drive Fast ' You Can Crash into the Back of the Car or Truck or Even a Big Bus , Which can Cost your Life
So Please dont do anything Stupid
When a Biker Challenge to a Race Just Reject These Kamikazi Pilots
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Speeding is not for on the Road its for Circuits ' And Only Experienced Riders can Learn Beginner Riders The Tactics ' This is Specially done in Italië alot ,
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@@user-ne9qg8uz6w you are definitely right and that is smart. I did take an MSF course and passed all my tests. I have been practicing and I don’t have any issue stopping. In fact I’m very good at it, it’s just downshifting from high gear down to 1st. I keep downshifting too early and causing my bike to stall when I’m ready to take off in first. I have to keep practicing matching the rpms with the engines speed 😆
@@esmamelissakaukovic2628are you letting out the clutch each time you change the gear so you will know the gear-engine speed? Like between 6th to 5th do you let out the clutch, then as the revs drop low enough you then change down to 4th, let the clutch out, then as the revs drop you change down to 3rd etc?
@@esmamelissakaukovic2628I let the clutch out for each gear so that I can feel I'm in the right rev range for that gear.
HTH.
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now nope, I’m a complete dumb ass and I was in a hurry because people kept riding my ass. So let’s say I would be in 6th gear going maybe around 65 miles per hour on the high way, stop light turns red, I start downshifting and immediately close throttle and just start downshifting one at a time down to first and come to a stop. When I’m ready to take off in first I over rev the engine and my bike lurched forward and stalled on me 🤦♀️
How right you are. I got my motorcycle licence in 1963 and rode all sorts of bikes, with a few 'bikeless' periods here and there. I rode off road on farm-bikes for a while then went ten years without a bike and over 20 since I had ridden a street bike. Then in 2013 I got an old (1988) CBR600, (it was a gift and needed work, which I did) it only makes 88hp and weighs 200kgs, but even with all that expeirnce it was a bit of a handful at first. First stop was the shop for gear as I didn't have any...helmet pants, jacket, gloves and boots. Expensive, but I'm an ATTAGAT girl. That old Honda can still top 140mph. I went on an advanced refresher course too; best $50 I have ever spent. I was pretty rusty...... I am 81 now and getting a bit brittle, so I am doubly careful to keep the rubber on the bottom.
great words right here. i been riding for little over 2.5 yrs now. first bike was mt03 which i rode for 1.5yrs. now i ride r3. thought about upgrading to a bigger bike but i knew i would never realize the full potential of the big bikes so sidegraged to a r3. its fun the r3. i mean i rode my friends liter bikes a few times, but i could never engage the big bikes. whereas an r3, i could use all that power all that torque all the weight, in which i feel very satisfying. what better is passing liter bikes on twisty. lotta big bike riders they do go fast on straights but then slow way the fuk down on corners. i really enjoy slaying those big bikes on winding roads. plus where i am, south korea, bikes cannot go on highways. so.... not a lot of places any bike can really full throttle. did little modding to my r3 so it could go over 125. that's ample enough really. it was great to know that an experienced rider thought on the similar lines as i am. i think i'm taking biking the right way i guess. great to see u on a sport bike! i be sure to check out ur upcoming vids on it
All good advice... which I ignored when I was young because there was no such thing as UA-cam. I ride a 1200 CC adventure bike now and I have to say... until this past summer when I FINALLY practiced... I wasn't even a white belt. Yes... rode for 20 years... struggled with a U turn. Humble pie for sure. Taking Champ school in the spring.
It's really odd thinking about you as a drill instructor. Can't picture you yelling in someone's face. My senior drill instructor I swear he never smiled once the whole time. I was a kid from broken family, knew nothing about the service. I wanted to go home my first couple weeks but realized I'm not. So in my mind I made up my mind to be a Marine. I been practicing all you teach. Really helps, thanks.
I agree.
Passed my BRC about two months ago and was looking to get a MT-07. Seemed like a good starting point to me. Sat on one, felt good. Went to do a test ride, man did it scare me. Instead I went with it's little brother, the MT-03.
I agree that the average beginner should probably learn on something with less power and more upright posture. That said… I started in the late 90’s on a ‘96 CBR 600 f3. 90 something horses and sixty something lb ft. It was also known for having a very relaxed riding position compared to other sportbikes of the era. Didn’t crash until 15 years later when a texting driver ran a red light and clipped me on a friend’s bike. Took an 8 year hiatus and returned to riding with the purchase of a ducati icon 803. Less power but more torque than what I learned on decades earlier and even though I’ve cafe’d it up with clipons etc it’s still more upright than the f3 was… and I can’t stand it. Cruisers/adv’s bore me. The “oneness” with a sport bike is just something special. Changing the geometry of the bike with every input and body movement is part of the thrill that keeps me riding. To each their own I suppose. Keep up the important work good sir. Ride safe and God bless.
He's right. My first bike was a 2009 R1. Man. I survived but it was very challenging and uncomfortable...in until you get many road hours. Now i ride a 1800cc cruiser. Ridin easy n Training
Just one data point but back in high school (circa 1987) my buddy got a Kawasaki EX500 sport bike. Ya, it was only a 500 but he let some dude ride it in his neighborhood. That guy slammed into a parked car and died. Be smart people. Bikes can be powerful and hard to handle with little/no experience.
Very sound advice, MotoJitsu, for present day traffic conditions. My first bike, after passing my test on a 250 Greeves in 1967, was a brand new Kawasaki 750 H2 two-stroke triple. By some miracle I survived. The risks I took then make me tremble now. On my current Honda CB1000R I have developed into a very different rider, but am still learning to ride safely.
I learned first on a 1992 katana 600 & wrecked it the 3rd day & then bought a1988 Gsx R750-i also don’t recommend learning on what I learned on because I lost a lot of skin due to road rash🤷♂️
Rode lots off different off-road bikes, my first road bike was a Tzr 250 .went on to purchase a new 1998 Katana 600 , nice bike .would agree not so suitable for a beginner
I recently started riding, bought a ninja 400 as my beginner bike. Just like you said that kinda bike is still fast but it’ll take much more time to get that speed. I was gonna buy a zx4rr as my first bike cause I just love the inline 4 sounds, but I feel great having a ninja 400 instead. Not just because it’s so much cheaper but the power delivery is so much easier to handle. I’ll keep it for at least two years I think.
I wanted to start on a CBR 600 but I had no riding experience
I bought a 1998 Yamaha xt350 enduro and I’ve been learning the fundamentals of riding for the passed 6 months.
I think I made a smart choice and will eventually upgrade after the first year
I enjoy your videos. Great advice for riders, new and experienced. It's cool that you are a fellow Marine. I started riding when I was in the Corps back in 1981 on a new Yamaha 250 Exciter. It was a cruiser style bike and I could flat foot it. I'm only 5'4". I was in the Mohave Desert at 29 Plams Marine Corps Base. Light traffic, straight wide open roads and curvy mountain roads within 20 minutes of the base. After 3 months I bought an XS650 Heritage Special Yamaha. Another cruiser, but taller. I was on the balls of my feet. It was a twin so it was not fast like the Seca 650, KZ 650 or GPZ 550, which were 4 cylinder bikes at the dawn of sport bikes. In 1983 I bought a used 1977 KZ1000, my first big fast bike! I probably would have crashed it if I didn't have the throttle, braking, and cornering skills that I developed in the first 2 years and 25K miles of riding. I also had the motorcycle safety courses that the Marine Corps made me take before allowing me to ride on their bases lol. I love riding and after 42 years and many bikes I currently have a 2017 CB500F and a 2021 GSXR1000R. You are a great teacher and your videos are important to many people. Every ride for me is a practice session.
Amazing insights dude. It's shows how much you want people to learn from your experience. Glad I learn from you everyday. Kudos to you
Nice video, a little story about sport bikes. My son was 19yrs. old buying his 1st. bike which was a Suzuki GSX-R750, my old bike. I taught him at Mesa college parking lot on a Sunday morning. Joseph was open to learning like a sponge soaking up knowledge that I had taught him, never cocky! I am no pro rider and learned on my own when I purchased the bike. Have no idea why my 1st. bike was a sport bike and yes you can get over your head and serious trouble in a second. The bike is faster than what you can process due to being unexperienced! I had met A ex pro road racer Earl Rolloff, very knowledgable and focussed on safety. Earl invited my son and I out for a ride in the canyons, we would start from Romona and make a big sweep to interstate 8 or 94, stopped for breakfast and we would be home by 1pm. Of course we would do some tracking and not at a go cart track, would be on the large tracks, Chuckwalla, Big Willow and Fontana. Earl use to say seat time, seat time and more seat time. Joseph would ask him when will he be able to drag his knee on the track and Earl would just pretend he didn't hear him. Joseph went from a GSX-R750 to a R1 race bike which he uses at the tracks. Unfortunately tracking is expensive, runs $700-$900.00 a day depending how fast he rides. He's only tracked maybe 12 times within 12 or so years. His Lapp times are within 3% of the fast group or the expert group. Somehow Joseph had used all of the knowledge that was given from Earl and applied it to riding. He has no fear of going fast which is good. Joseph every now and then brings up old times about dragging his knee's and we all laugh. Even at his very fast pace of tracking he seldom's drags his knees and he tell's me that there is no need to drag knee's. Earl tracks with us and he never drags a knee on the track, was known as the King o Willow with his bike in the museum at Willow. I know riders that drag knee in the canyons and think one has to to be fast to accomplish it which incompletely opposite. We seldom ride canyons due to covid and many in our small group quit riding, lost interest. Joseph has always thought the canyon and streets are dangerous which is true, especially drivers not paying attention to driving and choose to text or talking on their cells. I taught him very early in the days to imagine your going down the road and you're in somebody's scope, at any time you can be taken out! Maybe I was going over board but I couldn't imagine my son getting hurt because drivers would not pay attention. Maybe 60yrs. or so ago you can own a motorcycle and back then the conditions were much safer and a rider could enjoy the streets a little more being in a more safer environment! Not now!!! I am no export rider, 72yrs. of age and still occasionally track and ride the canyons on early mornings. I also know very fast riders especially in the canyons and ride Palomar, they have gone down and a couple have been life flighted out, as Earl would say there's no such thing as a fast street rider and a Monkey can go fast in a straight line!!! Enjoy your adventures on your bikes, ride your own ride and be smart, you will last longer riding safer. Knee dragging on the streets and canyons are for riders that have no skills and for bragging rights only. I ride with a few pros and this type of riding is never used especially on the streets. No need for it!!! Be safe and Enjoy riding as long as you can!!!
New rider here. First and current bike, after getting my license last year, is a MT-03. Can't imagine starting with more power than that... especially stopping and downshifting from speed, and cornering!
In my country we are limited to slower bikes till we get our full license. I started on an r3 and rode an r6 for the first time recently. Even after 18 months on the r3 the r6 is a completely different feeling beast and I would be dead if I had started on one 100%
I’m 57 been riding a while, no no no and no! I’ll just put around on my cruiser. All I need! Thanks for the heads up! Good on ya! 🤣✌🇺🇸
totally agree with this advice. respect the power because you can die very easily.
"you are relying on technology when you should be relying on technique." Absolutely phenomenal statement. This is very wise and eloquent.
My first bike was a Yamaha bolt, technically 900cc but in cruiser. I'm currently (and not happy with) a 1600cc Yamaha road star. So heavy, I would much rather be on a 600 naked after these last two years
Been riding since the 1988, first bike was an magna 500, and it was perfect, drove it for years. Worked my way up, had 600 and 750 sport bikes, and just recently purchased a new R1, and it’s next level. Ever time I go for a ride, I remind myself, it will kill me if I don’t respect it. I do enjoy it on public roads, but bought it for track, the only place you can push it hard. For new riders, learn on a upright, wear gear, and slowdown in town. Just last week, came across a accident, new rider with a 600, stuffed it in a corner going too fast, for his skill level. He was banged up, but generally ok, bike was a write off.
I love riding, nothing comes close to the feeling, but read the traffic, be on high alert, make yourself visible, and intersection suck.
After 28 years of being around and riding all kinds of bikes, here are a few observations about sportbikes. "They go 0 to OMG!!!, pretty much instantly" "The Average Life Expectancy of a Brand New Sport bike, with a Brand new Rider is 2 months" *Insurance Study done in Canada in 2009*. Sportbikes are just as big of a thrill as Skydiving or Bungie jumping, only 1000x more dangerous.
I also really agree with what you said about "going backwards" when it come to starting on full blown sportbikes. I feel the same way, and I constantly hear experienced riders say this. Its wild to watch someone trade in a S1000RR for a Ninja 400, and then being faster on the 400 on track, after training/practice and not relying on power.
I respect the fact that you as a motorcycle channel (probably the only one) have a video titled "You Shouldn't Ride a Motorcycle". It's not even the suggestive "5 reasons why you should not..." video. It is a skill that takes years, as you said. I took away so much from that video and even considered selling my bike after a year of starting at 40. I made the decision to buy your Motojitsu book (and other safety books), kept watching your videos and putting in hours and hours on just practicing. All gear all the time. I appreciate you and your time very much. Thank you.
You’re not wrong.
I started riding at 30, on a Daytona 675.
Scared me shitless the first 2 years of riding; took about 15,000km’s of twisties of riding behind an experienced rider before I could somewhat ride it the way it was designed for. Not to mention, watching almost every video you have and constantly striving to perfect my riding.
Even as avid motor sports enthusiast, understanding line selection and throttle control before even getting on a bike, it was still a hell of a challenge.
scarred shitless is not a thing id like out of a first bike. My meager DR650 has scarred me enough a few times to be grateful i listened to similar sound advice.
Been riding the street fir 7 years now. Still only own 600’s in the supersport class. I have owned many 1000cc naked bikes and large cc cruisers. Started on a shadow 750.
Current garage is
2023 GSXS1000
2003 CBR600RR
Being a new rider I commend you for giving this kind of information to all the new riders. No one tells you about this. So I appreciate all the information you’re giving to me riders
I really want an R3. My mil is giving me her old cruiser thats somewhere between 700cc and 1200cc... she doesnt remember lol. It does make me nervous but im taking it as a learning bike.
i started out on a 600RR 11 years ago took the beginner and advanced course and put on almost 20k miles in the first year. I still have that 600RR it has survived and so have i. just have to give yourself time and respect the bike and power and not go nuts with it until you are fully comfortable on it. it now has almost 80k miles and i im on my 3rd fireblade. Only had two incidents at speed due to other cars cutting me off but was able to avoid impacting the cars both times. One incident on a rental bike due to it scraping and levered the rear tire off the ground. Unfamiliar bike and road, but always wore full gear and walked away without a scratch. First blade got totalled out by insurance because of scraped up fairings but could have been fixed. Second blade is up for sale. Rental bike was also fixed and put back on the road.
I know a-lot of people say the r3 is not powerful, slow or you get bored of it quickly but tbh I am glad i didnt listen to any of that when I got into the market for buying a bike. Had my r3 for a little over a year and put on 24k miles with ALOT of twisty riding in California and highway commutes to work. I'm literally up the mountain faster than most people on their 600s or 1Ks because it literally shows by the way they ride how afraid they are of the power at their disposal. The r3 is still more than enough power for the highway or whatever type of commute as you are going faster than flow of traffic on a motorcycle anyways. Although I can technically be overtaken by a car on the highway if they floor'd it, I cant recall anytime that has ever happened to me as I am always going 10-15mph faster than flow of traffic, so to say the r3 is not enough is opposite from reality. Now if you want to be the 120-160mph straight line warrior then okay sure have at it. I dont think I will be upgrading my r3 still for a long time as its still a ton of fun in the mountains where riding a sportbike is at its peak enjoyment and its literally soooooo cheap to maintain, like literally I cant stress how cheap it is to maintain this thing its actually such a bang for your buck. You don't go through tires and or chain/sprockets or even gas nearly as quickly as you would on a larger bike. And its freaking easy to work on as everything is accessible and its a good opportunity to learn how to do every maintenance yourself so when you do get a larger bike you know the get around and aren't afraid to mess anything up
I totally agree. However, the first motorcycle I rode was a Honda Hawk 647! ❤ That was not too much motorcycle for someone with maturity and discipline. V Twin and first production motorcycle with single sided swing arm. By today's standards it's super tame and a little squishy. My good buddy still owns it.
I bought my ninja 400 3 months ago as my first bike and I'm really happy, I'm having a blast with it...the only thing is the highway for a longer ride, I don't feel so secure with it, maybe in the future with a bigger and heavier bike would be much better...but maybe it's just me still learning
Yup, truth. Never had a sport bike, hate the way they feel.
Getting old now, 64. Street bob 114 fast enough. But I just don’t drive that fast. V45 I had at 140. Felt like I was going to get blown off. Hate the low end, nothing much there.
It was Jerry Paladino and you that help me on Electra glide. Got to do 18 foot turn easy. But took practice every day for awhile. Thanks.
I learned on a naked Street Triple. I’m glad I started on this bike and took a few classes. Now I’m ready for a sport bike with fairings. If I started the other way around I don’t think my experience would have been as great.
I've been riding for about 7 months now and still learning new stuff
I have a 2016 Honda CBR300R
Turning 30 this year and when I told my friends I'm gonna get my first bike (CFMOTO NK300), they handed me the keys to a Honda CBR150 to practice. I was overwhelmed to the point that I dropped the bike because I got cramps. Yes, my legs weren't used to the position of riding a sportbike, so are my hands and my whole body was stiff as a rock (thanks to the aggressive seating position). So I decided to go for a naked bike instead with no tech and other driving assists, just me and the bike, so I chose a Suzuki GSX-S150. My father taught me how to drive but it was with a Kawasaki Barako 175CC (commuter motorcycle) and it has been more than 5 years since I last drove a motorcycle, so I wanted something close to it. Yes, tech is good but I want to hone my skills first before going to 300cc and up, so this is the best bike to do it. Thank you for uploading this video, this solidified that I know what I'm doing and that my decision is right.
I explained some of these things in a similar way to a friend of mine that wanted an R6 as his first bike. He now wants to learn on an R3. B)
I started on a ninja 650 which is a sport touring bike best decision it definitely has a great riding position, a good amount of torque and can get up and go but it’s also extremely forgiving. But I’ve noticed riders who start on 600+cc bikes we have better clutch and throttle control compared to those on 250-400cc bikes where they can just hammer on that thing. My friends who started riding the same time as me constantly have problems stalling.
When did you start riding on highway after you got the bike?
I totally agree with every word in this video. I started on a brand new '04 ZX-6RR that same year. I was a total newb. No experience.
Luckily, I was a Black Hawk crewchief in the Army at the time, so I was a safety-oriented person, and a battle buddy took care of instructing me before I could even touch my own bike.
He rode it from the dealership to our airfield's parking lot. When he finally let me ride it like 30 minutes later, first thing I thought was that the bike had way too much power for a newb.
I was borderline knee-dragging 15 minutes after riding the bike slowly and getting to know it.
Then I started exploring the engine's powerband after I discovered by accident clutchless shifting. This was all in less than 30 minutes, guys, with ZERO RIDING EXPERIENCE.😬
I was still a kid, just turned 22, and I had no mind-muscle connection, no reflexes, no foresight, and no skills whatsoever. Grasping the usage of the bike is easy, and gives overconfidence. I was already overconfident.
Next day my battle buddy took me outside the airfield and we rode in heavy rain. Taught me all the street etiquette.
Days later, I met a female soldier on post on an '03 ZX-6R and we ended up riding with like 50 idiots on literbikes throughout VA and DC, trying to keep up with them...again, me with zero riding experience.
A couple months later, I had my first accident on a twisty road, trying to keep up with two experienced riders, because I was overconfident.
I took a bike hiatus from 2012 to 2022. Ten years without riding. For my 40th birthday, I got a '22 Hayabusa.
I'm a safe rider, and obviously I've acquired some skills, but honestly, to this date, 18 years later, I still feel like I skipped so many steps and my skills aren't up to par to what they could be.
Even with all my cumulative experience riding on and off from 2004 to 2012, and now that I've been riding on and off again for a year, I feel I've cheated myself.
I would love to take all the riding courses from beginner to advanced. Life gets in the way and I barely ride, but I want to inquire about riding courses where I live.
I sincerely want to start from zero. I feel I haven't earned my rider stripes and that I have so much to learn. Gladly, my ego is not getting in the way for that to happen.
People think I'm a great rider because I'm not afraid to lean my bike in the twisties, but it takes much more than that to be great. It takes mastering the entire bike at any speed, and I've yet to accomplish that.
What has kept me alive is God first, then common sense, then restraint, then mind-muscle connection, then reflexes. I want skills in my equation.
I cant express how good of a decision it was for me to start my riding career on a Honda SCL500. From every angle its making me a better rider in the long run and has plenty of power to be an absolute blast! I didn't want to be a cruiser and I was so tempted to go full blown sport bike...but the moment I sat on each style of bike I knew my lil scrambler was PERFECT to learn on. A month in and 400miles under my belt I still have zero regrets. Ride your own ride friends!
Thank God somebody is saying something about this! To many guys get these but cannot stop! Get a dirt bike and hit the dirt a few times, way better than hitting the pavement!! Trust me I know.
Bravo Greg! Well said and very well explained!!!
Thanks for creating and sharing this video. Be well :)
My first ever bike was the Ducati Monster 821 but I trained on the bmw gs750 for months and have been riding bikes for 25 years on every kind of bike , I’ve now got the Triumph Speed Triple Rs1200 and it’s perfect 👍🏾
I started riding at 9 years old on dirt bikes. Rode every weekend til I was 20. Rode a lot with the AA class riders but never actually raced. I got a 2023 Z900 at the beginning of this year and the power was surprising. Nothing I can't handle due to many years of experience, but I get what you are saying. If I was to get this bike without having ridden dirt bikes since I was a child, it would not have been a good idea. Great advice, Moto!
Most people unfortunately only end up learning how to ride fast in a straight line and end up learning the hard way that they need to learn how to corner, stop fast and properly, etc. I know it's so easy to outgrow power and tempting but it's not worth it unless you only commute on the highway with the bike and can justify the power increase. Unfortunately many also stay away from trackdays due to cost, accessibility, transport problems, etc. You can definitely become a pretty decent rider only riding street as long as you practice all the fundamentals of body position, keeping the front tire loaded and brake covered, etc. Watching videos like yours, Canyon Chasers, Yamaha Champschool and more has definitely helped me on the street. It also helps to have suspension adjusted properly by a pro (if your bike is adjustable), figure out what tires and tire pressures work best for you and confidence will skyrocket for learning. A bike with adjustable suspension was the biggest increase in my confidence when it came to getting better at cornering because my old XSR700 had garbage suspension stock for sure as a heavier rider.
Thanks for saying the things we all don’t want to hear but need to!
I got a cbr300 and I’ve had a few errors and glad I’m still learning in a smaller CC then a high CC lol
knowing you crashed on the CBR after all that training and experience tells me everything I need to know as a new rider
I am 26 years old, and last year I bought my first bike immediately after getting my motorcycle license. It was 2004 Yamaha R1. I have never ridden even a 50cc scooter before. I absolutely respect the bike and ride well within my limits, and didn't even have a close call yet.
I definitely do not regret my decision, because this is what I wanted to ride since I was literally 9 years old. Due to financial situation plus having to wait a couple more years to ride my dream bike if I start on smaller bike, and then sell it, buy bigger one etc... the wait was just not in the cards.
However, I definitely feel that I could have progressed skill-wise much faster and more naturally had I started on something smaller. It feels like a huge mountain to climb to get your skill on the level of 1000cc sportbike if you start on it, but I am determined to get there.
It depends on the person really. If you have ego issues, and can't control yourself, that's where such bike is not recommended even if you do have some previous experience.
Thanks for bringing the comments section back 🙏
My first bike was a 2014 gsxr 750 and it was awesome, learned how to ride it in san diego and it was a serious business learning curve, you have to be one of those naturally gifted athletes to REAAALY get it and enjoy the ride
Fully support this. Alot of people start of 600 and never learn the basic. They trying to sprint before they can crawl.
Great advice as always. I'm still surprised by your choice (in a good way) A long time ago I used to race one. Now you can fine tune that muscle memory without any extra cooks in the kitchen. I am so happy Suzuki released that machine way they did in this day and age. I need to get another perhaps :)
Thank you for this video. As an influencer it is important, not just to see how well you ride (which shows us what’s possible) but to put into perspective what is needed to be able to ride that way. Always grateful for your channel.
Definitely solid advice, as always. I lusted after a Ducati sportbike for decades, and so, it was my first bike straight out of MSF (Ducati 1098). I dropped it many times, paid too much money for cheap fairings and small repairs, and didn’t learn anything beyond going fast in a straight line and switching lanes. Decided to stab my ego and buy a Honda CBR500R, rode it for two years and actually started enjoying riding and the ease of use, not to mention power I could actually use without warping to another dimension. Of course, I started to fiend for an SuperSport again after enjoying the 500 and practicing a lot, so I went back to a sportbike, this time a 2007 CBR600RR. Needless to say, I’ve been able to maintain control over my mind and limbs since, and doing track days opened up me to a whole new world as well. It’s definitely a good idea to try all kinds of motorcycles, until ultimately, you find your niche. I didn’t think I’d enjoy cruisers either, but I rode an Indian Scout Bobber and loved it. And in keeping myself in check, I refuse to buy ANY 1000CC SuperSport for street use. 600CC SuperSports are enough trouble, and for those that think they need a liter SuperSport for the street, that’s just ego and you’re lying to yourself thinking it’s fun on a daily. I currently ride a 202 CBR600RR daily and MotoJitsu hit the nail in the head about “technique, not technology.” My CBR isn’t even the ABS model and Honda continues to keep it raw (still has cable throttle), so it’s been sensational and an excellent teacher to me.