So much to the people who say:"if you fly actively you don't get collapses". The reactions shown in this video were in my opinion perfect, but the wing still decided to suicide bomb.
I am not sure if it was preventable and whether holding the raiser played any role, but man, are those reactions absolutely perfect. Well done, outstanding job!
I really do feel like holding risers is not at all a good idea to prevent collapses, you can't feel the wing, acording to the sound, the colapse happen ~1sec after wing started to deflate, you could've use a strong brake input to prevent it... But now that the collapse happened very good job to recover!
Great save, I was told with a frontal keep arms up then catch the surge, but how you train for that I have no idea, I know I will brake input initially...
Gia' stavo per dire: Ma allora e' un vizio! 😆 Comunque...quello, in particolare, e' un posto dove succede spesso (col ca... mi ci vedrai mai con un "D"!) Well done! 😉
Beginner here. It's hard for me to find out what the reason was for the collapse due to the camera angle as the collapse happens. Can anyone explain me pls? And if there was anything to do to prevent the collapse in advance? And thank for sharing.
Good video. The only thing I would have a question about is braking quite early when it's recovering. I imagine every colapase is different. Looked pretty text book.
Have a look at this ua-cam.com/video/_YVbdaLc1jk/v-deo.html if you haven't already. Great tips from esperienced Ozone pilot Russel Ogden. In my case I guess that if a not flying wing recovers in a matter of seconds the timing was "luckyly" right 🙂 What you see here is a stop motion but the sequence lasted really a blink of an eye, no time to think, just an automatic and fast reaction. Frontals are the worst because wing stops flying, inertia makes the pilot go forward while the wing is behind, pilot needs to go back under and so you got that pendulum effect that makes violent surge inevitable and also desiderable because wing needs to start flying again. In this case with high aspect ratio wing you cannot wait hands up waiting for the wing to reopen by itself and, as Russel suggests, you need at least to reopen the front with a short deep input. (actually I had the same experience with an induced frontal on Rush 5 during a SIV, you can look here ua-cam.com/video/EIwZGRcJh1E/v-deo.html). Then you try to manage the surge by braking as deep as the situation demands. In this case I went all the way down to stop the wing. Once stopped just put hands up and let it fly. Hope I've replyed somehow 🙂 . Blue skyes.
@@alem5098 I’ve got a rush 5 and all I get is collapses in strong conditions… tip collapses frontals asymmetric.. did you find the wing full on in the strong structure?
@@AMJB100000000 I've flown Rush 5 for more than 250 hrs all up@105 and yes I think it had a tendency to somehow messy frontals. I've recorderd some of them on my channels, something like this ua-cam.com/video/7uKG4FDgAss/v-deo.html
@@alem5098yep in the rough conditions it seems to frontal a lot…I’m 5kgs under the max take off weight which doesn’t help.. it likes to be flown with about 20% -30% brakes once it’s turbulence in my opinion.
looks like that was perfectly dealt with, did you stay on course or did it spin you 90degree? can't quire tell if it was just the camera angle makes you look like you rotated towards the collapsed side.
I was thermalling in a really mellow thermal, may be 1.5 m/s. After the frontal collapse no rotation at all, just a sudden and quick surge perfectly simmetric.
As I tell in the description, I m not "holding" the riser, if you look closely I m always feeling the wing, in fact I act on brakes right before the collapse happend. I wouldn't be able to catch it if my hands were not ready. My hand is around the riserer is not holding it. I constantly feel the wing. Unfortunately.some collapse are hardly avoidable.
Steering while holding your risers is like driving a car while holding your door. You don't feel anything anymore! It's worthy of a student under an En-A. Sad to see. I hope you learned something and it will save your life
I'm not "holding" risers 🙂even if it looks like. I have my hands near them because sometimes especially while thermalling I use B control for the outer side. In this case I was in complete controll otherwise I could not stop the sudden surge after a frontal while thermalling. If you look carefully as the wing collapse I look at wing right away and my left hand is just ready on brakes. It all happends in a fraction of seconds. Thanks for your feedback anyway
? @alem5098 I have watched several of your videos. And there are others where you get screwed in exactly the same way. This short brake immediately released on turbulence only amplifies the collapse. It prevents the reflex effect and does not change the incidence. Either you counter your brakes (strongly!) or the B, or you avoid this little unnecessary braking. How many SIVs have you done? How many stall?
@@doncomar Which other videos are you referring to? In this case there was no turbulence. I was in a very mellow and weak thermal. Not strong, not bad air. Probably a rotor. In this case, on a two liner, when a FRONTAL occurs, a short brake input is what you should do to reopen the wing that is not flying anymore like in this case and then manage the surge with the right timing. I do comps, have several SIVs (lev 3) (one is also on the channel, enjoy) lots of stalls, SAT e some helico :-).
In my opinion, your reaction was perfect ! ... I hope I have the same reflexes in the same situation ! ... well done !
WOW Beautiful flight and views. Thanks for sharing. Video 👍
Well done 😉✌️
Whoooooa. That ended up much better and smoother than I was expecting. Nice reflexes
So much to the people who say:"if you fly actively you don't get collapses". The reactions shown in this video were in my opinion perfect, but the wing still decided to suicide bomb.
I am not sure if it was preventable and whether holding the raiser played any role, but man, are those reactions absolutely perfect. Well done, outstanding job!
Magnifique 💪💥
Great catch 👍⭐
pazzesco: è esattamente quello che impari in un corso SIV ben fatto. Grazie Ale per la condivisione
Será que é isso mesmo?
I really do feel like holding risers is not at all a good idea to prevent collapses, you can't feel the wing, acording to the sound, the colapse happen ~1sec after wing started to deflate, you could've use a strong brake input to prevent it...
But now that the collapse happened very good job to recover!
Well done. Can you please advice me, how do you attach your 360 camera as I like a lot the shots you are getting from it. Thanks!
I've attached it to the cockpit with a rigid L clamp.
@@alem5098 It's fantastic that the cockpit is not blocking the view.
10/10 reaction
Well caught!
niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee reflexes! 👍👍👍👍
Great save, I was told with a frontal keep arms up then catch the surge, but how you train for that I have no idea, I know I will brake input initially...
"but how you train for that I have no idea" ... SIV.
Agreed bud, my point was its intuitive to flare which has the adverse effect..
@@Itsallgoodtogo
Gia' stavo per dire: Ma allora e' un vizio! 😆
Comunque...quello, in particolare, e' un posto dove succede spesso (col ca... mi ci vedrai mai con un "D"!)
Well done! 😉
Beginner here. It's hard for me to find out what the reason was for the collapse due to the camera angle as the collapse happens. Can anyone explain me pls? And if there was anything to do to prevent the collapse in advance?
And thank for sharing.
Thank you for shaaring
Good video. The only thing I would have a question about is braking quite early when it's recovering. I imagine every colapase is different. Looked pretty text book.
Have a look at this ua-cam.com/video/_YVbdaLc1jk/v-deo.html if you haven't already. Great tips from esperienced Ozone pilot Russel Ogden. In my case I guess that if a not flying wing recovers in a matter of seconds the timing was "luckyly" right 🙂 What you see here is a stop motion but the sequence lasted really a blink of an eye, no time to think, just an automatic and fast reaction.
Frontals are the worst because wing stops flying, inertia makes the pilot go forward while the wing is behind, pilot needs to go back under and so you got that pendulum effect that makes violent surge inevitable and also desiderable because wing needs to start flying again. In this case with high aspect ratio wing you cannot wait hands up waiting for the wing to reopen by itself and, as Russel suggests, you need at least to reopen the front with a short deep input. (actually I had the same experience with an induced frontal on Rush 5 during a SIV, you can look here ua-cam.com/video/EIwZGRcJh1E/v-deo.html).
Then you try to manage the surge by braking as deep as the situation demands. In this case I went all the way down to stop the wing. Once stopped just put hands up and let it fly. Hope I've replyed somehow 🙂 . Blue skyes.
@@alem5098 I’ve got a rush 5 and all I get is collapses in strong conditions… tip collapses frontals asymmetric.. did you find the wing full on in the strong structure?
@@AMJB100000000 I've flown Rush 5 for more than 250 hrs all up@105 and yes I think it had a tendency to somehow messy frontals. I've recorderd some of them on my channels, something like this ua-cam.com/video/7uKG4FDgAss/v-deo.html
@@alem5098yep in the rough conditions it seems to frontal a lot…I’m 5kgs under the max take off weight which doesn’t help.. it likes to be flown with about 20% -30% brakes once it’s turbulence in my opinion.
That coulda been a gnarly frontal if you weren't as quick! That's some matrix shit with the 360 camera panning around.
looks like that was perfectly dealt with, did you stay on course or did it spin you 90degree? can't quire tell if it was just the camera angle makes you look like you rotated towards the collapsed side.
I was thermalling in a really mellow thermal, may be 1.5 m/s. After the frontal collapse no rotation at all, just a sudden and quick surge perfectly simmetric.
@@alem5098 cool thanks thought you looked pretty symmetrical coming out if the surge, think the 360 camera gave it a look like you turned direction.
Good catch but if your hand was actively piloting and not simply resting on the riser, you might have been able to avoid that
As I tell in the description, I m not "holding" the riser, if you look closely I m always feeling the wing, in fact I act on brakes right before the collapse happend. I wouldn't be able to catch it if my hands were not ready. My hand is around the riserer is not holding it. I constantly feel the wing. Unfortunately.some collapse are hardly avoidable.
large weight transfer as he shit his pants helped with the recovery
Can you share the footage without slowmo effects?
I just uploaded a 360° video, no edit, choose the angle you wish. ua-cam.com/video/PPsD9SDmhpc/v-deo.html
I can’t figure out if a collapse is operator error or a poorly designed wing!
Neither one or the other. They just happend.
Sure looks like your holding the left risers, your thumb is wrapped around it
Actually Your action timing is perfect.
But This Slow motion video will make a mis understanding of act timing to another people.
And I know Your holding left riser to make a good turn performance.
Steering while holding your risers is like driving a car while holding your door. You don't feel anything anymore! It's worthy of a student under an En-A. Sad to see. I hope you learned something and it will save your life
I'm not "holding" risers 🙂even if it looks like. I have my hands near them because sometimes especially while thermalling I use B control for the outer side. In this case I was in complete controll otherwise I could not stop the sudden surge after a frontal while thermalling. If you look carefully as the wing collapse I look at wing right away and my left hand is just ready on brakes. It all happends in a fraction of seconds. Thanks for your feedback anyway
? @alem5098 I have watched several of your videos. And there are others where you get screwed in exactly the same way. This short brake immediately released on turbulence only amplifies the collapse. It prevents the reflex effect and does not change the incidence. Either you counter your brakes (strongly!) or the B, or you avoid this little unnecessary braking. How many SIVs have you done? How many stall?
@@doncomar Which other videos are you referring to? In this case there was no turbulence. I was in a very mellow and weak thermal. Not strong, not bad air. Probably a rotor. In this case, on a two liner, when a FRONTAL occurs, a short brake input is what you should do to reopen the wing that is not flying anymore like in this case and then manage the surge with the right timing. I do comps, have several SIVs (lev 3) (one is also on the channel, enjoy) lots of stalls, SAT e some helico :-).
@@alem5098 I would have done the same ;)