WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?? GLUE LINES EVERYWHERE POV | What Are Glue Lines?
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This is the other side of wrapping most youtubers don´t show, this is a realistic content. Thanks so much for sharing this
I appreciate your videos.
Even being a brand new subscriber, just subscribed 4 or 5 days ago, I do love you see your humbleness to admit you are still learning and sometimes need help and advice and your honesty as a person and with your work.
Hahaha, dude, I have never laughed so hard during a wrapping video. All that sarcasm towards 3M was awesome. Keep it up man!
This is the type of perfectionist you want working on your ANYTHING! LUL
Just for anyone interested - I wrapped the front badge area of my car in satin black using 3M in 2020 (quarantine sucks) and I got 'glue lines' in quite a few areas. I know they aren't air pockets. No amount of lifting and replacing, heat or smoothing with squeegee removed them. Don't bother with 3M if you are a perfectionist, they haven't fixed their product even after years of complaints.
Crazy how easy you make it look man. Glue lines or not you’re an absolute artist man. Keep it up
I think the problem definitely lies in the product itself. About 3 years ago I used 3m’s gloss black vinyl to do my roof and at this point I had never wrapped anything before. With that wrap the vinyl cam out flawless and absolutely no glue lines. Since then I have done several other different parts on friends cars just trying to practice before working up the courage to do my whole car. So about 4 months ago I ordered 3m’s gloss wicked wrap because I thought it was the best looking purple color on the market and it set me back about $680 for the roll. The same day I got the material I did my hood and I got glue lines ALL OVER. At first I thought okay maybe I used too much heat because I had noticed a spot where I overstretched it and the color had faded so I decided to try other parts on the car and then come back to it and redo it. I did my mirrors and got glue lines. I did my doors and got glue lines. I even did my gas lid and there were glue lines. Really. There were glue lines on a 6x8 square, flat gas cap with no curves or anything. It’s been very discouraging working with this material and I haven’t even finished the car yet because no matter what I try I end up with glue lines. I originally chose 3m’s gloss wicked because I wanted a purple color that was dark and wasn’t very in your face. I wanted a subtle color and it almost looks black which I exactly what I wanted. Now I don’t even know anymore, I almost just wish I had kept it white. If you can find anything out it would be great because I just purchased a new bumper and it has a lot of curves on it and it looks amazing but I know the glue lines will really detract from how it should look.
Enjoyed the view with GoPro. Definitely helped. Keep up the good work and thank you for being so informative! I've watched hours of your work and it is top notch!
I have one of 3M’s techs flying out to meet with us about these issues, I’ll show him this video and see what he says 👍 I’m pretty much done with 3M
Hi Christian, I've been wrapping for around 17 years so have a lot of experience with 3M. When working with 3M and other vinyls that seem to drop the glue when repositioning, before removing the backing paper I try to trim the panel as close as I can get it to the panel I'm wrapping if I know the vinyl is going to need a lot of manipulation. I would leave more excess material on the areas where I know I'll need to heat to get them to conform (for example on the top of the wing/fender your wrapping. I would trim the arch out closer to the wing which will let you get the vinyl down further without having to apply heat (before removing your backing paper). This will help remove stress from your vinyl in advance. When heating, heat further away from where you really want to relax the vinyl. This will stop the glue from rebounding at your fitted edge or anywhere the vinyl is touching the panel, which is the reason the glue drops and leaves a line. I know it's not ideal but when taking the top of the wing/fender over the best way to not get glue lines when there is a big stretch is either have someone hold the vinyl until you heat it and both pull over at the same time to get the vinyl flat and take it down in one movement so that you don't need to reposition which will leave start leaving glue lines. If you don't have someone to help then roll up a piece of backing paper into a tight tube, put some masking tape around it to hold it together and stick it to the excess vinyl at the top of the wing. This way you will be able to keep the whole section off the panel whilst you heat it and straighten it out and can then pull it all over uniformly. If any if this doesn't make sense or you have any questions get back to me and I'll try and explain other ways to help work with this vinyl. Even though certain glues are advertised as reposition-able they actually require an old school fitting technique like how we used to fit the original colour change vinyls that you only get one go at I.e. Avery 900 etc super thin, super brittle, bubble easily, drop glue, generally require two maybe three fitters to fit a complex panel...yeah anyhow you get the picture. Hope this helps
Hey CK Wraps, 3M had some glue line issues a few years ago during the manufacturing process. This was the 180CV3 (could be other medias from them too). I do a lot of commercial applications (printed jobs). Not going to bash 3M but it was there even on flat areas. And I received a roll of their 480mc new print media were the release liner was not embossed properly ruining a full printed wrap for a client (air release channels were blocked). Bubbles that couldn't be popped, the adhesive layer just clobbed up. My supplier made good with a fresh roll & 3M made good on the reimbursement to them. Your techniques look good. As you know, some of the lines will gel over a few days but I feel you on the frustration.
CK, you know as well as we so that it's not your technique. You clearly show your technique and it works with all other vinyls. You're a seriously talented car wrapper. I'd stop using 3m personally. Great video to expose 3m though.
Lol , skill level worse after 7 years? Not possible, years only ad to skill level and experience. I think 3M is the problem here.
im glad theres people out there who still have pride in their work, and even if it seems ocd its not
I’m in the industry for over 30 years now and used a ton of brands over the years. 3M has built quite a reputation when it comes to quality and let’s be honest, their stuff is priced like it’s the best on the market. It’s a given that their glue is superior in cast fillms, double sided tapes and painters tapes. 3M was one of the first to manufacture wrap vinyls and in my opinion were the best on the market back then. Not anymore. Nowadays I would always choose any Avery vinyl over the competing 3M product. The thing is that I always have to explain why because of 3M’s reputation because 3M is known as being “the best worldwide”. But “the best worldwide” shouldn’t break that easily when stretching it to the limit, shouldn’t end up with glue lines. In my experienced opinion it’s simply “the most overrated and overpriced brand”. It took me years to discover that I wasn’t failing, but the product was. Because I was used to trusting 3M’s reputation over myself. As far as I can see you are a perfectionist and built quite a rep yourself in showing all possible parts of the proces and even schooled me on some parts. There’s only one thing you did “wrong”: the choice of brand.
Having a second hand to lay the panel on will help a lot. I agree 3m has for sure gotten worse. As soon as it sits on a hard body line like the corner of the fender it can’t be picked up and moved even if it wasn’t squeegeed down. That looks to be how the one glue line got there just sitting on the body line for a short amount of time and then repositioned.
This might not help much but I saw you take a vinyl roll straight to the outside bin once in another of your vids I think that was 3M as well, I would be taking a direct path again, that will lift your spirits, I am sure the customer will understand.
Shopping for a wrap... glad I watched this. Thanks for making it.
for the glue lines, have you ever ask a client to come back after exemple, one month and watch if the glue line a still there? Maybe with the time and the sun the material will react itself and the glue line will dissapear...?