i’m a welder/fabricator and while i generally work with stainless even on days where i’m grinding on carbon steel all day i never experienced the “metal shaving problem” with both my p4 and 005, they get dirty ofc but i’ve never had shavings stick so much that it makes the tools harder to use or anything
I think whichever one you bought is the best one. They're both so functional and high quality... maybe we're just trying to justify our purchase to ourselves?
I’m a shepherd and a sheep shearer. If you work around hay, ropes, straps, leather, you rely on that serrated blade. No serrated blade disqualifies Arc from consideration.
@@kerrymower1321 maybe you should consider a tool like a seatbelt cutter when I had to spread bales for horses my mom had one and it seemed to make life easier sine she could just put it right back in her pocket without having to fold it
One thing I love about the surge is how below average in terms of looks it is. The problem with things like the arc or the spiritx is that they look too nice I would not use them as tools.
I agree my surge is used rarely It’s basically a shelf queen it spends more time in my drawer than in use I have the surge clone the Walmart surge id like to compare the surge to a Ferrari u only take it out once and a while when u feel like showing it off drive it 2-3 miles then put it back in garage wipe it down and put dust cover back on that’s how I treat my surge lol
I’m sure the Arc is nice. But I’m not going to replace my Surge in favour of the Arc. In fact, I don’t see a reason to replace my P4 or SwissTool with an Arc either. I like the diamond file. I wish the P4 had a diamond file. It works a lot better on fingernails. But I have no use for the microbit driver. I’ve never used the one on my TTI. And while a MagnaCut blade is nice, I think it’s overkill. I generally have a full size knife on me and use that for cutting tasks. And at $229, it’s a pass. What I have already in rotation works just fine.
The Surge has fins on the handle pivot end that are good for a quick screwdriver, especially to open various electrical or equipment panels. Other models have that as well. It’s a “feature” I utilize a lot.
As an owner of a surge, wave+, SOG powerpint, Gerber dime, and Victorinox pioneer, I'd say I've got my multitool game covered. 41 piece bit kit, driver extension, ratcheting driver, and various t shank add ons as well. I'm more of a knife guy so I'm always carrying a dedicated blade.
@@hvacbudget8600 u r welcome, mate. I hope that u can try put a Tshank in the Arc. Maybe... maybe it can delight n motivate me (just dont have a desire 2 buy one yet 😎😁
Holy crap, these prices. $150 for the surge? I paid $80 or $90 for mine at Walmart back in 2008. I love my surge and I carry it nearly every day, but I don't know that I would buy another one at today's prices. I am intrigued by the free series and the ark, but they've priced themselves out of my budget. I'll be watching from the sidelines.
I enjoy seeing people sharing why they carry tools. Keep the videos coming. I love my leatherman Surge but my everyday carry is the Signal. I had a Skeletool CX but it wasn't for me.
Thanks for the review. I have a Surge, Wave, Wingman, Skeletool and a few SAKs (especially like the Deluxe Tinker). Usually have a dedicated knife with me. Nothing here to move me to buy another multitool.
I won’t say I’m cheap. If I were I wouldn’t have a tool chest full of knives and multi tools. But I will say I do look for value. I’m finding some companies deliver premium products at premium prices and others are currently delivering equally good, for what I want, products at much better prices. I appreciate reviewers like yourself that let me know what I’m missing, or not missing, by not spending on premium products at premium prices.
I just upgraded to a surge from my wave + and charge tti. I was never planning on getting a surge, but I found a slightly used one at a pawn shop for $15 and had to get it. It has been a fantastic tool for my job in a parts department in a transit company. It does everything I need and the similar design to the wave makes it comfortable and sturdy tool to use. It is my main work tool now. I don't even use box cutters anymore. I will say I only use it for my work and I use my wave+ or charge tti as my edc options outside of work. I have no interest in the arc or p4 platform as a whole. The surge is a perfect tool for my uses.
If Leatherman just gives the surge a magnacut blade and scissors it would be the goat of multiple tools.for those that dont know magnacut steel has outstanding edge rention so having premium steel for the cutting tools would be great cause sharpening multitool blades is rather difficult for me.
The Leatherman Surge is a huge heavy bruiser of a tool and the Leatherman Arc is a ballerina by comparison. Both are great but need to be used within their limits for the purposes intended. For EDC the Arc is great. For real work you need the Surge.
I love all my Leatherman’s, but the Surge is still the leader amongst serious users. If I’m not mistaken, the Surge is the only one that has those oversized de-burring shoulders on the plier head. They’ve come in handy more than once. The ARC gives a new style awl-type tool that looks like it’s more for reaming and de-burring… but as nice as that new ARC is… I think the Surge will still reign. There are those of us that have to have them all, but that’s just because. 😊
New models never really take out the staples. Like.. I’m still using a 1995 Tool because I don’t wanna spend a lot on a newer one without a pocket clip standard. I wasn’t big on the Free series. The Arc, I may consider buying so I have a larger tool too but I’m gonna carry the old Tool way more I bet. I wish that thing had a clip and I wouldn’t even get an Arc. The Arc seems priced right too for what you get with warranty and material quality. And supporting USA made which is great. 👍
I have the leatherman core. That tool alone have been my favourite. I bought it at tjmaxx on sale for 36$. Until i saw the surge on UA-cam, i didn't have plans to replace it. When i got to hold and check the surge i knew it was going to be my new tool and to keep my core in my collection. I checked the arc too out of curiosity and compared it side to side with the surge, i felt like its more for the fix with style users. Love the click clacks and smooth operation and the polished metals though. The surge stands out with a solid grip and feel. And the price is reasonable for me.
I have 6 multi tools some are gerber and some leatherman and one is the Walmart ozark trail multi force I got my eye on this now what sold me is the one hand operation might not even use it lol looks too good to scratch up lol
Ill keep my surge in my work backpack and my squirt in my pocket on the job (pharmacy) but when i get the arc, i see it replacing my edc knife for when I'm out and about outside of work.
Surge $195aud Arc $499.95aud do the math .. .. .. The arc essentially has the same tool set as the Wave, for my Monday to Friday edc I ditched the Wave for the Surge and I’ve never been sorry. I would like a better steel on the blades but I can live with that on a “working” tool and it I get desperate I can do a quick sharpening on concrete.
I still like my $40 daicamping da30 surge copy best. Way better value, it has a full 1/4 bit driver and the t shank. I can get 6 for the price of the ARC. I just need to sharpen more or just use my separate better knife as a companion. Im not interested in spending way more for the ARC. I made it a full toolkit with a better holster along with a small ratchet, Chapman bit set, extension, and extra saw blades for about $100 total.
Surge is still the beefiest. The pliers on the Free Series is the strongest plier head Leatherman has ever produced for a Medium duty multi-tool. The ST300, MUT, and SURGE have Heavy Duty plier heads and are without a doubt still the stongest pliers Leatherman produces. The Wave falls into the fullsize medium duty category too but it's pliers are visibly weaker than the Free and the Surge. The rebar and Signal are just using a sized down version of the heavy duty plier head. So in terms of strength. In order of weakest to strongest it's Wave +, Rebar & Signal, Free series& Arc, and finally Surge. The magnetic shaving problem is purely urban myth. There is no substance to that speculation. It's been debunked and my own personal experience with my P2, P4, K2, and T2 confirm metal shavings are no problem.
The Arc has the holes for the pocket clip which I'm not a fan of as well as you can't find sv30 and other aftermarket blades and tools for the Arc as easily as you can for the surge so hopefully magna cut is your preferred steel.
Exactly said I own a leatherman sure and if you brought me one for Christmas ild secretley take the surge to work with me I'm afraid so the arc will last for ever 😂 surge is God and leatherman did a great job with the clear winner 🎉
The Leatherman Arc will never be on my belt at that gouge of a price. The Surge is in a go bag for if my life depended on it. And the Wave + with a modded 154CM blade is on the hip. The original Supertool goes in a medic bag. And the PST stays on the dresser for house jobs.
If you look at the width of steel around the pivot, you'll realize the Arc and even the Free series is tougher. Tools break due to mechanical stress in their weakest point thanks to stress risers, and the non-free series thend to have thinner steel around the pivot. So the Surge could in theory break with less stress and it would do so arond the pivot. Of course, both are really beefy and it would be almost impossible to break them via hand strength.
One big point in favor of the arc imo is the thinner needle nose and micro driver, which overall make it a tool for more precision jobs. Of course, that part is true of the wave as well, but that's a different story
@@JohnP.6775 ud rather have the arc for a cheaper price and a 420hc blade than the mgnacut version we have now. If it was say 130$ I'd have no problem with whatever blade steel they'd use
@@guy3nder529 fair enough.. surely you could swap the blade out by taking it a apart and modifying it a bit no? For me PERSONALLY. I’d prefer the Magnacut blade. But that’s the beauty of multi tools it’s personal preference 🤷🏻♂️
@@guy3nder529them using 420 hc and charging as much as they do is a crime imo . Idk why they couldn't just use 12 or 14c27 steels or and keep the prices the same. I'd take aus 8 or aus 10 over their 420. They do not need to use a super steel as Standard imo , but they should use a more modern basic steel. That said I'm excited for the arc.
@@hvacbudget8600 intressting. i am still quite worried about metal dust collection clocking the mechanical part of of it. because the diamond file is one of the feature i use often on my charge tti.
Have an original Surge and it is very robust. The Wave and this ARC are more of an EDC than a TOOL. Would still buy an ARC for EDC but more serious it is the Surge hands down You need to be able to remove that file for sharpening your knife for non knife sharpening guys. Personally use a strop. Edited my comment which had made from halfway through your video and delighted now and as you said literally the same thing about EDC ARC verses Surge Tool. Good Job!!!!!
At Christmas 2023 I purchased the Surge over the Arc cuz the Surge was on sale making it almost half the price of the Arc. Four months later I know I made the right decision though I feel the quality of these tools has diminished. I wonder if the new magnetic architecture has looser tolerances that hide the precision problems that are now noticeable in the non magnetic models such as the Surge. Still a great tool but will look at what else is available in the future. Magnets are a deal breaker for me.
I recently picked up the Free K4 on sale to investigate the magnetic architecture. I had to take it apart to clean out some grit and after oil and reassembly it was better but still stiff. I covered the magnet with 3 layers of scotch tape and this made the action better but needless to say I am less than impressed. Glad I did not spend the money on the Arc. You can make these tools work but should you have to make them work.
I'll stick with my Surge and my Wave. The design of the Wave and the Surge is a design that allows you to torque, which allows you to apply force with the screwdrivers when the multitool is closed and the multitool does not open. With the free design it tends to be open. The design of the surge has a rounded finish which gives you comfort in your hand and I can work longer with the multitool. I think the design of the free still has a lot to improve. They have to make it more comfortable in hand. It's not just that you can operate it with one hand, that it has the tools that everyone asks for, it's that it also has comfort. And the price of the Arc is too much. For me, they should return to traditional steel but improve comfort. The steel that is good for the blade is one that most can easily sharpen without being an expert on the subject.
Sigo prefiriendo la Surge. Diseño, herramientas, potencia. La ARC es bonita, pero yo preferiría que agregaran un Punzón a la Wave, pues la Arc pierde la hoja cerrada y la wave con punzón, sería genial. Gracias por tus videos
@@hvacbudget8600 not sure what the tang on the t-shank looks like. If enuff material there and existing hole not already too big; I might could. I’ll investigate. I think leatherman parts are available on the ebays. I also need a sak style can opener. Not enuff tang to make it work tho. Your a good modding guy. I’ll watch your video when you put a t-shank in your goat and copy what you do. 😁
LOL, I bought my dad a clone of the leatherman, and just realized, it's not going to work for him because he chopped off half his thumb cracking open a Coconut in the old country. I wonder do they make a left handed version?
Magnacut, an advanced latest, greatest more pricey steel, but will it really make a difference ? Everything is a trade off in steels. Magnacut holds an edge better; but is harder to sharpen. Its more rust resistant, but not the rest of the tool. Need to sharpen in the field, skip the Magnacut. I cannot see using the hammer surface as to miss is an injury. The Surge is clearly the better dollar per feature. And magnets; hell no, I do use steel wool and it makes dust that loves magnets. Not so easy to wipe often a rare earth magnet when the steel attracted is a rusty powder. The ARC is lighter, sole attraction to me. I will stay with the Surge. Use the money saved for bits.
At the moment the Free P4 is out of stock last time I checked on Leatherman's website. The Leatherman Ark may soon be the only available option perhaps. One website has already labeled the P4 discontinued.
The magnet issue, in my opinion, doesn't track. I use a P4 everyday at work and in the shop, and have yet to experience the magnets picking up any shavings or debris. I guess the purists steer clear of magnetic screwdrivers as well. To each his own.
now if the p4 wasn't overpriced i'd get one but when a charge+ is only about 10$ more with a better knife steel, bit adapter, and has drivers that don't look like they came straight out of a leatherman wingman/sidekick all the p4 has going for it is the gimmicky magnet "technology" that leatherman is so super proud of cause as far as i can see the p4 was designed by interns who "think tools are cool" before they thought of practicality cause a stumpy worthless file, 4 flathead screwdrivers when you could've had a bit adapter instead and cheaping out with 420hc when the charge gets 154cm sorry but that screams corner cutting at its finest.
After ordering 3 surges in a row and getting problems, I hold no special attention to a surge with a magnacut knife and some body coloring Last surge I got had stupid blade play and some clear gel plastered all over super tight scissors that wouldn't release the liner lock 25 year warranty.. With their domestic and foreign parts, it wouldn't last 2 years
@@joeberreth3412 Anything is weak if you abuse it. But remember it's a removable metal and diamond file too. That's handy for tidying up your blade if you get a nick in the edge. I've got a tungsten carbide bit and an extra long jigsaw blade taped to the frame. If you snap the saw on your Arc while camping, you're SOL, I just grab another $3 jigsaw blade 👍😆 Have you broken a T shank adaptor , if so, how ?
@@hvacbudget8600 Do you prefer this toolset or the 40th anniversary toolset? I use my 40th every single day and I’m wondering if the arc is even worth getting given the similarities
Magnets in Airpods is funnily what kills them the most too. Pockets pickup metal dust and it corrodes the connectors that charge the AirPods. Magnets should be avoided on anything EDC if you can.
Scissors should never be a factor in buying a multitool. Multitool scissors are generally useless in my experience. I love my Surge but I'll definitely be picking up an Arc as my main work tool
A Porsche 911 arguably "beats" a Golf GTi, but the former is outside of the budget of most buyers of the latter... Said folk will still smile, knowing they made the better decision and will use the savings on cool accessories
Proud surge owner here. Good review. I think its a big advantage having the file removable, so you can sharpen the blade
Definitely. You've got a great tool!
That's huge for me. I tidy up the scissors with it too. It's an under-appreciated stellar capability.
There is so many things you can do with the surge that you can't do with the arc
I'll keep my surge.
Yeah, me too, it's a Beast !
Especially considering I bought my Surge for half the Arc price !
@@edwardfletcher7790Yup! So will I...😊
The Surge is definitely cheaper!
I will never give up my Surge
i’m a welder/fabricator and while i generally work with stainless even on days where i’m grinding on carbon steel all day i never experienced the “metal shaving problem” with both my p4 and 005, they get dirty ofc but i’ve never had shavings stick so much that it makes the tools harder to use or anything
I never have had any issues with my P4 either.
Also...compressed air. lol.
You actually use your 005 ? I thought those were collectors items
That’s really encouraging
If the ARC had the T shank blade switcher it would be much much better . Leatherman should have that on all their tools .
I think whichever one you bought is the best one.
They're both so functional and high quality... maybe we're just trying to justify our purchase to ourselves?
Good video! Nice coverage on both tools...thanks!😊
Glad it was helpful!
I love the surge ❤just ordered another one.
Nice! That's cool!
I’m a shepherd and a sheep shearer. If you work around hay, ropes, straps, leather, you rely on that serrated blade. No serrated blade disqualifies Arc from consideration.
If you maintain a plain edge it’s better than serrated imo
@@trace4125 I always choose the serrated blade for cutting open hay bales. I handle a lot of hay. I keep both blades very sharp.
@@kerrymower1321 maybe you should consider a tool like a seatbelt cutter when I had to spread bales for horses my mom had one and it seemed to make life easier sine she could just put it right back in her pocket without having to fold it
@@trace4125 That’s a really good idea. I’m going to try that!
Any blade is a serrated blade if you are bad enough at sharpening 😂😂
One thing I love about the surge is how below average in terms of looks it is. The problem with things like the arc or the spiritx is that they look too nice I would not use them as tools.
I agree my surge is used rarely It’s basically a shelf queen it spends more time in my drawer than in use I have the surge clone the Walmart surge id like to compare the surge to a Ferrari u only take it out once and a while when u feel like showing it off drive it 2-3 miles then put it back in garage wipe it down and put dust cover back on that’s how I treat my surge lol
Work beast. The pickup truck of multitools.
I’m sure the Arc is nice. But I’m not going to replace my Surge in favour of the Arc. In fact, I don’t see a reason to replace my P4 or SwissTool with an Arc either. I like the diamond file. I wish the P4 had a diamond file. It works a lot better on fingernails. But I have no use for the microbit driver. I’ve never used the one on my TTI. And while a MagnaCut blade is nice, I think it’s overkill. I generally have a full size knife on me and use that for cutting tasks. And at $229, it’s a pass. What I have already in rotation works just fine.
.... the SURGE is still King.
Yup!😊
yep, cant live without my tshank
It can be in your dreams whatever you want… 😊
T SHANK + FESTOOL WOOD BLADE 145 MM 🕊🐺🛠
Hell yeah
I have the surge. Its not outdated. Get the black coated one for longevity and WW3 😊
The Surge has fins on the handle pivot end that are good for a quick screwdriver, especially to open various electrical or equipment panels. Other models have that as well. It’s a “feature” I utilize a lot.
As an owner of a surge, wave+, SOG powerpint, Gerber dime, and Victorinox pioneer, I'd say I've got my multitool game covered. 41 piece bit kit, driver extension, ratcheting driver, and various t shank add ons as well. I'm more of a knife guy so I'm always carrying a dedicated blade.
I watch again this video, and still... that scalpel T-shank, impressed me! 😎😁
Thanks!
@@hvacbudget8600 u r welcome, mate. I hope that u can try put a Tshank in the Arc. Maybe... maybe it can delight n motivate me (just dont have a desire 2 buy one yet 😎😁
Titanium Surge is what leatherman needs to make with S30V steel blades.
That sounds like a dream surge. Add titanium cutting bits in the pliers.
Holy crap, these prices. $150 for the surge? I paid $80 or $90 for mine at Walmart back in 2008. I love my surge and I carry it nearly every day, but I don't know that I would buy another one at today's prices. I am intrigued by the free series and the ark, but they've priced themselves out of my budget. I'll be watching from the sidelines.
I enjoy seeing people sharing why they carry tools. Keep the videos coming.
I love my leatherman Surge but my everyday carry is the Signal.
I had a Skeletool CX but it wasn't for me.
Thanks!
Thanks for the review. I have a Surge, Wave, Wingman, Skeletool and a few SAKs (especially like the Deluxe Tinker). Usually have a dedicated knife with me. Nothing here to move me to buy another multitool.
Sounds like a great collection!
I would have never thought about the magnets "collecting" crud...Hmmm. May have to rethink my future purchase
I won’t say I’m cheap. If I were I wouldn’t have a tool chest full of knives and multi tools. But I will say I do look for value. I’m finding some companies deliver premium products at premium prices and others are currently delivering equally good, for what I want, products at much better prices. I appreciate reviewers like yourself that let me know what I’m missing, or not missing, by not spending on premium products at premium prices.
Thanks!
I just upgraded to a surge from my wave + and charge tti. I was never planning on getting a surge, but I found a slightly used one at a pawn shop for $15 and had to get it. It has been a fantastic tool for my job in a parts department in a transit company. It does everything I need and the similar design to the wave makes it comfortable and sturdy tool to use. It is my main work tool now. I don't even use box cutters anymore. I will say I only use it for my work and I use my wave+ or charge tti as my edc options outside of work. I have no interest in the arc or p4 platform as a whole. The surge is a perfect tool for my uses.
That was a great deal you found!
What the hell kind of pawn shop charged only 15??!?! That’s egregiously low even 15 yrs ago lol
FIFTEEN DOLLARS?!?!?!
The Surge can't get a TTI treatment quick enough.
That would be awesome!
If Leatherman just gives the surge a magnacut blade and scissors it would be the goat of multiple tools.for those that dont know magnacut steel has outstanding edge rention so having premium steel for the cutting tools would be great cause sharpening multitool blades is rather difficult for me.
That would be great!
I did not know about magnacut.🙏
The Leatherman Surge is a huge heavy bruiser of a tool and the Leatherman Arc is a ballerina by comparison. Both are great but need to be used within their limits for the purposes intended. For EDC the Arc is great. For real work you need the Surge.
I'll keep my surge. Just got the Skeletool RX though, and it's pretty nice for EDC when I don't need a serious tool. Also, only 5oz.
I love all my Leatherman’s, but the Surge is still the leader amongst serious users. If I’m not mistaken, the Surge is the only one that has those oversized de-burring shoulders on the plier head. They’ve come in handy more than once. The ARC gives a new style awl-type tool that looks like it’s more for reaming and de-burring… but as nice as that new ARC is… I think the Surge will still reign. There are those of us that have to have them all, but that’s just because. 😊
LoL! I agree.
I usually carry my SOG Power Access Deluxe, but if I could only keep one tool for all time, its the LM Surge.
This seems like a revival of some thing that’s already been done.
Magnacut is such a hyped knife steel would be nice to see the knives compared.
New models never really take out the staples. Like.. I’m still using a 1995 Tool because I don’t wanna spend a lot on a newer one without a pocket clip standard. I wasn’t big on the Free series.
The Arc, I may consider buying so I have a larger tool too but I’m gonna carry the old Tool way more I bet. I wish that thing had a clip and I wouldn’t even get an Arc.
The Arc seems priced right too for what you get with warranty and material quality. And supporting USA made which is great. 👍
I think I'll stick with my Surge and Supertool 300 for work. Wave+ and Rebar for edc.
I have the leatherman core. That tool alone have been my favourite. I bought it at tjmaxx on sale for 36$. Until i saw the surge on UA-cam, i didn't have plans to replace it.
When i got to hold and check the surge i knew it was going to be my new tool and to keep my core in my collection.
I checked the arc too out of curiosity and compared it side to side with the surge, i felt like its more for the fix with style users. Love the click clacks and smooth operation and the polished metals though.
The surge stands out with a solid grip and feel. And the price is reasonable for me.
The Surge is great! The Core I believe was very close to the Super Tool 300.
Thanks for making these video's, ill complain until im blue in the face about price but the Arc seems a good upgrade from the P4 I use daily
Thanks for watching!
You can get it for 160 with leathermans discount
@@deykno87 Nice!
I have 6 multi tools some are gerber and some leatherman and one is the Walmart ozark trail multi force I got my eye on this now what sold me is the one hand operation might not even use it lol looks too good to scratch up lol
Ill keep my surge in my work backpack and my squirt in my pocket on the job (pharmacy) but when i get the arc, i see it replacing my edc knife for when I'm out and about outside of work.
Nice!
Surge $195aud
Arc $499.95aud
do the math .. .. ..
The arc essentially has the same tool set as the Wave, for my Monday to Friday edc I ditched the Wave for the Surge and I’ve never been sorry.
I would like a better steel on the blades but I can live with that on a “working” tool and it I get desperate I can do a quick sharpening on concrete.
Nope… not replacing my Surge(s). Got them when they were under $100, they refuse to die & they don’t have magnets… 😂😊😅
I still like my $40 daicamping da30 surge copy best. Way better value, it has a full 1/4 bit driver and the t shank. I can get 6 for the price of the ARC. I just need to sharpen more or just use my separate better knife as a companion. Im not interested in spending way more for the ARC.
I made it a full toolkit with a better holster along with a small ratchet, Chapman bit set, extension, and extra saw blades for about $100 total.
Very nice! I love my DL30!
Surge is still the beefiest. The pliers on the Free Series is the strongest plier head Leatherman has ever produced for a Medium duty multi-tool. The ST300, MUT, and SURGE have Heavy Duty plier heads and are without a doubt still the stongest pliers Leatherman produces. The Wave falls into the fullsize medium duty category too but it's pliers are visibly weaker than the Free and the Surge. The rebar and Signal are just using a sized down version of the heavy duty plier head. So in terms of strength. In order of weakest to strongest it's Wave +, Rebar & Signal, Free series& Arc, and finally Surge. The magnetic shaving problem is purely urban myth. There is no substance to that speculation. It's been debunked and my own personal experience with my P2, P4, K2, and T2 confirm metal shavings are no problem.
Good to know!
No problem. Might as well share the fruits of my research.
We killing these videos haha!
Great job getting out new info! With the Arc and the #006 coming out close together, a lot going on.
@@hvacbudget8600 where is our buddy Texas tool crib!
Last I heard he is working long hours in Texas.
@@hvacbudget8600 aww man. He was my favorite channel.
Not a Surge owner, but I’ll still hang to my Wave+
The Arc has the holes for the pocket clip which I'm not a fan of as well as you can't find sv30 and other aftermarket blades and tools for the Arc as easily as you can for the surge so hopefully magna cut is your preferred steel.
I'll choose surge just because it is in my belt and still doesnt brake after couple years of abusive usage. Its just that simple
The Surge Is Great!
I would love to see a comparison video with the Wave or Charge. I'm debating which is the best for edc/metalwork/mechanic.
I just did a comparison video between the Arc and the Charge 30 min ago. I was surprised the Charge is more comfortable to use!
Thank you! Just watched it!
Enjoying my b brand surge everyday 😮😅😊
LoL!
Exactly said I own a leatherman sure and if you brought me one for Christmas ild secretley take the surge to work with me I'm afraid so the arc will last for ever 😂 surge is God and leatherman did a great job with the clear winner 🎉
If the surge came with mini screwdriver I’d carry it to work everyday but that is really a killer for me
I love my Surge. The ARC is also way too expensive.
The Leatherman Arc will never be on my belt at that gouge of a price. The Surge is in a go bag for if my life depended on it. And the Wave + with a modded 154CM blade is on the hip. The original Supertool goes in a medic bag. And the PST stays on the dresser for house jobs.
Dude, the Arc wont be able 2 get rid my Surge from my pocket (i just bought some spare parts for my Surge) 😎😍
If you look at the width of steel around the pivot, you'll realize the Arc and even the Free series is tougher.
Tools break due to mechanical stress in their weakest point thanks to stress risers, and the non-free series thend to have thinner steel around the pivot.
So the Surge could in theory break with less stress and it would do so arond the pivot.
Of course, both are really beefy and it would be almost impossible to break them via hand strength.
Interesting point!! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the awesome and in-depth content!
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One big point in favor of the arc imo is the thinner needle nose and micro driver, which overall make it a tool for more precision jobs. Of course, that part is true of the wave as well, but that's a different story
And it’s got a magna cut blade.
@@JohnP.6775 ud rather have the arc for a cheaper price and a 420hc blade than the mgnacut version we have now. If it was say 130$ I'd have no problem with whatever blade steel they'd use
@@guy3nder529 fair enough.. surely you could swap the blade out by taking it a apart and modifying it a bit no? For me PERSONALLY. I’d prefer the Magnacut blade. But that’s the beauty of multi tools it’s personal preference 🤷🏻♂️
@@guy3nder529them using 420 hc and charging as much as they do is a crime imo . Idk why they couldn't just use 12 or 14c27 steels or and keep the prices the same. I'd take aus 8 or aus 10 over their 420. They do not need to use a super steel as Standard imo , but they should use a more modern basic steel. That said I'm excited for the arc.
@@rickyricardo3551 I don't really care for the steel on my multitool blade. I don't like using it as a knife anyway since it's got such bad ergonomics
I think i might be the only one that hates the t shank adapter. Iv always just wanted a solid saw in that place
how does the magnetic stuff hold up on those? i am still afraid of clocking it.
Mine has been doing well.
@@hvacbudget8600 intressting. i am still quite worried about metal dust collection clocking the mechanical part of of it.
because the diamond file is one of the feature i use often on my charge tti.
Surge is still king, especially for tradesmen! Arc ain’t got shit on Surge! Plain and simple. 🤷🏻♂️
All hail the King Surge. Everything else is just playing catchup.
Have an original Surge and it is very robust. The Wave and this ARC are more of an EDC than a TOOL. Would still buy an ARC for EDC but more serious it is the Surge hands down
You need to be able to remove that file for sharpening your knife for non knife sharpening guys. Personally use a strop.
Edited my comment which had made from halfway through your video and delighted now and as you said literally the same thing about EDC ARC verses Surge Tool.
Good Job!!!!!
Thanks!! I agree the Surge seems much more of a work tool.
i sell all my colection 2 charge tti one camo ,wave,300,200 .only Leatherman i have is old Surge,the best for me
When you need leverage, none of the other features matter
At Christmas 2023 I purchased the Surge over the Arc cuz the Surge was on sale making it almost half the price of the Arc. Four months later I know I made the right decision though I feel the quality of these tools has diminished. I wonder if the new magnetic architecture has looser tolerances that hide the precision problems that are now noticeable in the non magnetic models such as the Surge. Still a great tool but will look at what else is available in the future. Magnets are a deal breaker for me.
I recently picked up the Free K4 on sale to investigate the magnetic architecture. I had to take it apart to clean out some grit and after oil and reassembly it was better but still stiff. I covered the magnet with 3 layers of scotch tape and this made the action better but needless to say I am less than impressed. Glad I did not spend the money on the Arc. You can make these tools work but should you have to make them work.
I'll stick with my Surge and my Wave. The design of the Wave and the Surge is a design that allows you to torque, which allows you to apply force with the screwdrivers when the multitool is closed and the multitool does not open. With the free design it tends to be open. The design of the surge has a rounded finish which gives you comfort in your hand and I can work longer with the multitool. I think the design of the free still has a lot to improve. They have to make it more comfortable in hand. It's not just that you can operate it with one hand, that it has the tools that everyone asks for, it's that it also has comfort. And the price of the Arc is too much. For me, they should return to traditional steel but improve comfort. The steel that is good for the blade is one that most can easily sharpen without being an expert on the subject.
Good points!
Sigo prefiriendo la Surge. Diseño, herramientas, potencia.
La ARC es bonita, pero yo preferiría que agregaran un Punzón a la Wave, pues la Arc pierde la hoja cerrada y la wave con punzón, sería genial.
Gracias por tus videos
Thanks for watching!
Do you have a video for the scalpel mod?
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👍🏼 the fancy blade steel means nothing to me. 🤷♂️ My money would probably go to the surge; between those 2.
I wish my goat had the t-shank. :)
You'll have to design one!
@@hvacbudget8600 not sure what the tang on the t-shank looks like. If enuff material there and existing hole not already too big; I might could. I’ll investigate. I think leatherman parts are available on the ebays. I also need a sak style can opener. Not enuff tang to make it work tho.
Your a good modding guy. I’ll watch your video when you put a t-shank in your goat and copy what you do. 😁
Nothing against the Arc but I’m happy with my Surge. The Arc price doesn’t help.
So you pay an extra 80 for 1 magnacut blade ?
Pretty much but also a bit holder.
Well, the Arc is $100 more in Canada, so I'd say the Surge wins hands down. The Arc is WAY overpriced, especially to be released now.
Cannnot for the life of me find that little metal screwdriver on Amazon. It was recommended and even in my saved for later until I removed it.
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Love my Surge. This isn't a sufficiently convincing upgrade for me, personally.
LOL, I bought my dad a clone of the leatherman, and just realized, it's not going to work for him because he chopped off half his thumb cracking open a Coconut in the old country. I wonder do they make a left handed version?
I'm not sure. Interesting...
Why then there’s an $80 price difference?? It’s more than 50% gap! Is it because of better materials? Thanks
Some would say the Magnacut knife blade is worth the extra.
My surge don't have replaceable wire cutter on pliers
Probably a first generation Surge.
Magnacut, an advanced latest, greatest more pricey steel, but will it really make a difference ? Everything is a trade off in steels. Magnacut holds an edge better; but is harder to sharpen. Its more rust resistant, but not the rest of the tool. Need to sharpen in the field, skip the Magnacut. I cannot see using the hammer surface as to miss is an injury. The Surge is clearly the better dollar per feature. And magnets; hell no, I do use steel wool and it makes dust that loves magnets. Not so easy to wipe often a rare earth magnet when the steel attracted is a rusty powder. The ARC is lighter, sole attraction to me. I will stay with the Surge. Use the money saved for bits.
I can decide between ark wave or p4
At the moment the Free P4 is out of stock last time I checked on Leatherman's website. The Leatherman Ark may soon be the only available option perhaps. One website has already labeled the P4 discontinued.
Put a T-Shank saw on Arc and ill buy it in a second.
Great video. But I'll stay with my Surge and Super Tools.
Thanks!
I'll stay with my Surge!!!!!
Surge still the superior option.
The magnet issue, in my opinion, doesn't track. I use a P4 everyday at work and in the shop, and have yet to experience the magnets picking up any shavings or debris. I guess the purists steer clear of magnetic screwdrivers as well. To each his own.
now if the p4 wasn't overpriced i'd get one but when a charge+ is only about 10$ more with a better knife steel, bit adapter, and has drivers that don't look like they came straight out of a leatherman wingman/sidekick all the p4 has going for it is the gimmicky magnet "technology" that leatherman is so super proud of cause as far as i can see the p4 was designed by interns who "think tools are cool" before they thought of practicality cause a stumpy worthless file, 4 flathead screwdrivers when you could've had a bit adapter instead and cheaping out with 420hc when the charge gets 154cm sorry but that screams corner cutting at its finest.
After ordering 3 surges in a row and getting problems, I hold no special attention to a surge with a magnacut knife and some body coloring
Last surge I got had stupid blade play and some clear gel plastered all over super tight scissors that wouldn't release the liner lock
25 year warranty..
With their domestic and foreign parts, it wouldn't last 2 years
As an industrial maint tech I'll stick with the Surge 100%
A titanium Surge would be the ultimate .
That would be great!!
The king and the prince
Great description!!
cool
number one way is to reduce the price ..to expensive !!
Leatherman Arc = Where to buy ??
It's not available yet but it is supposed to be released on Leatherman's website.
The Arc is a different market. It's in the Wave/Charge market, not the surge market
Where's the Arc's T shank adaptor ? FAIL
It's meant to be the new top shelf tool, but it's missing features.
I definitely think it's marketed more as a Wave evolution. I am hoping a new Heavy Duty Surge model gets made next!
@@joeberreth3412 Anything is weak if you abuse it.
But remember it's a removable metal and diamond file too. That's handy for tidying up your blade if you get a nick in the edge.
I've got a tungsten carbide bit and an extra long jigsaw blade taped to the frame.
If you snap the saw on your Arc while camping, you're SOL, I just grab another $3 jigsaw blade 👍😆
Have you broken a T shank adaptor , if so, how ?
still surge for me
This is an apples to oranges comparison
Very true, but a lot of people will be wondering if this will be a Surge killer.
@@hvacbudget8600 I was thinking wave killer. In my mind they appeal to 2 different groups of people
@@bri9435 I totally agree. Maybe even a Charge killer.
@@hvacbudget8600 Do you prefer this toolset or the 40th anniversary toolset?
I use my 40th every single day and I’m wondering if the arc is even worth getting given the similarities
i dont understand that price of 229$
It's pricey!
Surge is the best..
Surge for workers, fancy knives for players 😂🎉
Magnets in Airpods is funnily what kills them the most too. Pockets pickup metal dust and it corrodes the connectors that charge the AirPods.
Magnets should be avoided on anything EDC if you can.
yes, the Surge is outdated. Needs a re-fresh
Scissors should never be a factor in buying a multitool. Multitool scissors are generally useless in my experience. I love my Surge but I'll definitely be picking up an Arc as my main work tool
No. No you won’t and no you didnt
A Porsche 911 arguably "beats" a Golf GTi, but the former is outside of the budget of most buyers of the latter... Said folk will still smile, knowing they made the better decision and will use the savings on cool accessories
Surge for me.