Should England & Other International Teams Be Able To Play Afghanistan?🤷♂️| Kimber & Harmy
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
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talkSPORT's Cricket editor and presenter Jon Norman sits down with former Durham and England cricket player Steve Harmison and cricket writer Jarrod Kimber to discuss all things cricket.
In today's episode, Kimber & Harmy discuss the current issue regarding Members of the former Afghanistan women’s team who have called on the ICC to help them form a refugee team based in Australia and if England or other International teams should play Afghanistan outside of just World Cups.
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Some people think that banning men's team would turn Afghani people against Taliban 😂
Yeah
So f*cking schtewpid 😂
Taliban don't give a fcuk
Just like banning Russians from Wimbledon was such a brave and effective move
BCCI would do everything for Afghanistan men team to not get banned, these foreigners don't know that Afganistan -pakistan-india politics
Even if Afghanistan is not banned it won't get bilateral events with England, South Africa, New Zealand & Australia.
These foreigners are not part of ICC. They r some random youtubers. So chill. Hopefully BCCI will take care of Afgan team from evil prying eyes.
@@Naveenbr-kp8gc1yi3d bcci doesn't need to ward off evil eyes just tour Afghanistan 🤣
@@akhtrzaman4955
Sfghan teams home ground is in india.And india always plays bilateral against afghanistan
@@akhtrzaman4955their home ground is Noida indian. Less smart
Never see such discussions on Indian UA-cam channels
They all talk about how this player smashed this bowler blah blah and they act like they're some great UA-camrs with great cricketing knowledge
How Hypocritical. when India refuse to play pak you people cry about sportsmanship and ignore morals and when its Afghanistan your morals take over sportsmanship. seriously some of the discussions on this channel is more bizarre than idiotic.
What morals? The morals of not allowing 50% of your population to sustain a sporting team that's been clearly outlined by the ICC as a pre-requisite to be a full member?
I agree, stick to just cricket. Super left leaning weird ass views
@@30kushagrachandra31 but ICC did gave it the full membership in 2017 didnt they? why do other countries have problem with it?? ICC even gave full membership to terrorist nation pakistan. both needs to be seen as similar case. there shouldnt be morlas on one side and lecturing on the other. i am not taking sides both Afghanistan and pakistan must receive disciplinary actions against them if there is any.
It's hard for West to understand that international organizations aren't bending to their will anymore.
India taking over ICC has been one of the best things ever.
whataboutary
Even AFG men's team is playing there Bilateral series with BANGLADESH in india as there home ground which is going to start july 25 .
Not at all, it's not their fault. It's like pushing them more towards fundamentalism if that's what your concern is.
Cricket is one of the very exemption Taliban Government gives which helps them to connect with the mainstream.
To solve the problem you don't shut doors rather your engage.
Taliban's aim is to isolated Afghans from the rest of the world to follow fundamentalist ideas. More you isolate them more you are serving the purpose of Taliban
If you are so concerned about Human Rights then firstly ban Pakistan Cricket team
Spare no platform to spread hate against your neighbours Right?
So Human rights is what concerns you? Then every human has it's right regardless of nationality. don't try to bring in politically motivated views here when giving judgements about my country.
they have to be isolated, no ifs no buts, isolate Afghanistan in every way possible like North Korea is.
I think countries involved in the illegal war on Iraq and Afghanistan should be banned. England and Australia should be banned if human rights mean anything.
India was part of that war campaign.😂 And India can restore ties itself which it isn't doing.
They should actually ban themselves because they expressly created the Taliban . Also Pakistan should be banned.
@@akhtrzaman4955India was not but Pakistan did give its land for Usa to target Afghanistanis
@@akhtrzaman4955we built things for the Afghanistan’s - , hospitals , roads , schools etc. we were not part of the war effort at all. Seems like you’re clutching to some bs ? India and Afghanistan govt have been doing meetings lately etc
@@bilalAhmed.2904 India gave material support, finances, investment in infrastructure, trading interests higher than Pakistan. India supported previous US slave regime and used Afghans to target & murder Pakistanis sponsoring terrorist attacks which continues to this day
Just my 2 cents but I think the funding and the bilaterals are two separate issues. If the funding is for 2 squads men and women and they only field one they shouldn't get the funding for the women's squad.
What to do with that money becomes the question. Imo it should be for a women's freedom team. Any woman from any country that opresses them who is in asylum should be able to come to trials and have a chance to compete and the funding comes from any of the boards that are not meeting their obligations to women's cricket.
That solves Jarrod's generational question until we run out of oppressive governments which imo would be a wonderful problem to have.
come down to the real world from your first-world high horse. women's cricket shouldn't get any more funding so whites could show some charity cases. women's cricket already get enough funding from men's cricket revenue.
You first-worlders don't make a peep about countries getting exploited in the import export business or don't shy away from taking vacations in ME countries where millions of men rot from slavery.
England playing Afghanistan is a complex issue, but India not playing Pakistan is India being a bully got it
Wow intelligence of a typical Down syndrome kid 😱
😂how is that complex issue for England, come to India and get to know the situation here then talk idiot
Yeah now cry about it
No it's just standing against pakistani terrorism. You can't have sport and terrorism side by side but india still plays icc events with Pakistan out respect for other countries and to win trophies as they did recently.
@@subrahmanya9020 Wouldn't want a country led by taliban to be allowed? So yeah both are equally valid demands.
South Africa were banned when they didn't let a large portion of their country play representative cricket. Of course Afghanistan should be treated the same, and of course they won't be.
Ever considered having a bit more religious tolerance?
@@ivankowalski5009 no, not when it bars half the population from participating in society.
sad state of affairs really.
Wow, what double standards, the same anchor was saying about involving politics in the last podcast regarding india's refusal to play pakistan in pakistan, which by the way is purely a security concern. But now he is saying eng shud not play afghanistan and it is not politics
Australia and Poland sent soldiers to be part of the us coalition to iraq when the us attacked iraq under false pretenses. Make what you will of that.
Very easy to take moral high ground for women's right but do look at what Australian soldiers did there, the kind of atrocities they committed against common Afghans. If anyone has any doubts then search "Brereton Report"
If the ICC are going to take a moral stance on human rights abuses, why are they still funding organisations such as Saudi Arabia? Pretty much the entire Middle East has a shopping list of infractions against women's rights, so how are they setting the cut-off point for funding? Either fund all of them or none of them.
Same can be said about Israhell, US UK and the western military involvement in Afghanistan and middle east on false claims killed millions and the countries have become a rubble irreversible damage to society and the country as a whole
If we're taking the moral high ground, shouldn't countries that were involved in bombing civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq be banned as welll?
Why should Australia, England, and Pakistan be allowed to play in the next world Cup?
I don't get why the clear exclusion of an entire group of people is considered taking the moral high ground. Those women are people too. They literally don't have a choice.
@@zawadsadaf9194you are talking like can fight Taliban. They can't. They shouldn't. They don't even promote taliban or their policies and they use old afganistan flag and not the new taliban flag . What more do you want from these kids ? Do you want to put them against Taliban just for your feelings ?
@@zawadsadaf9194 so you are saying those civilians in Afghanistan and iraq who were killed by the western countries werent people? their deaths dont mean anything?
What a answer from Jerrod, afg team in anti- Taliban although Taliban seems to support them. BCCI already donated afg to play at cricket stadium at greater Noida, so will Cricket Australia and England play a series against afg?
Not donated hired bro ACB is paying for it, but no doubt that India supports Afghan team
What a Hypocrisy😂, 2 countries fought 4 wars millions are died and still dying in border fights.india Should play cricket with Pakistan and allow them play IPL without any issue. But All these so called first world supreme cricket boards doesn't want to play with AFG bcs they don't have women's team. 😂😂😂
Way too many Taliban supporters in this comment section for anyone's liking
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And these brits are lecturing India to play against Pakistan, WTF???,
Nonsense. Asking for basic human right is not lecturing.
Does the guy on the right sound British?
@@sakibshadman1448
So you agree India should not play with a country that sponsors terrorism
@@AM2K2
No he sounds martian
@@evilandrew1097 to a fool
Yes take their women's fundings and give them to Thailand women's team or any other deserving associates.
Next topic
Should cricketing nations be able to play Pakistan cuz Pakistan is home to many UN designated terrerists? It is such a complex issue
They will do it slowly. Play any team that merits it on the field.
Should the USA play for all they have done. By my views they should not participate in any sports as they are the source of the problem.
It's taliban who runs and controls the rules so its not afghan proples fault that's why women's treats like this in their country..
Kimber is being CO-opted and is now a new left wing hero !!! His recent comments /observations shows where he stands
India will support Afghanistan team no matter what. A country torn by decades of war, & invasions -its people need support ( Taliban govt is different ). Many test playing nations didn’t have women teams for decades , so it’s fine if Afghanistan doesn’t have a women’s team for the time being ( they should have in future) . England and Australia should apologise for the wars, innocent killings and destruction of their nation. They should start playing Afghanistan and support people at this time. Sports will distract young people from drugs, extremism and bad things. Even Taliban govt acknowledge this fact and supports cricket team after WC SF win.
India along with others helped to build Afghanistan cricket stadium in Kabul . Bangladesh and Afghanistan are playing a series in India from July 25th . Let’s keep the cricket rolling and growing. ☮️ ✌️
how long do you think Afghanistan should be given to field a women's team?
@@nickvickers3486 May be 5 years till their country is politically & economically a bit stabilised. Taliban govt will have time to reflect , people’s pressure or face the consequences
Like change in government.
They are still playing home games in India. Let them develop 2-3 good stadiums 🏟️ and cricket echo system, so that they inch towards domestic tournaments , u-19 and women’s cricket.
@@nickvickers3486bro before Taliban handover, afg built their woman team. They had some woman cricketers. A team was builded but after Taliban handover it's diffrent. This cricketer are slave of Taliban. Do you know all current cricketers including rasidh khan was against Taliban when war started.
How exactly do you propose the establishment of a women's team under those reptilian Taliban rulers?
This isn't about CRICKET , it is against EVOLUTION like who this ppl ( Tal@ib@n) WOMEN SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN SPORT .
🤷🏾😒 .
ICC should stop the WOMAN CRICKET FUNDING for AFG and help the woman who flee from the AFG .
And give ACB kinda NOTICE to Support WAFG team or else BAN Them .
Ur grammar is against human evolution. And just because a country doesn’t follow your morals, they should be banned from playing cricket? I thought there was freedom of speech
Ban Afghanistan just like SA were banned.
On what basis, they have no control over Taliban, the US fought for 20years, spent $2 trillion and we are back to square one.
We don’t pussy team 😂 if you really think women can play cricket ehy don’t your team spend some time with afghan players and play a game with them to see who will win 😅
We are already suffering by Taliban banning everything, now make us suffer even more by banning our Men’s cricket team, one of the only sports my country is successful at.
As an Afghan woman I am proud of the Men’s cricket team, I love and enjoy watching their matches
I think England and Australia should feel free to not play Afghanistan, if they think their higher moral standard is hurt by playing Afghanistan. Every board has their right to take a decision who they will not play. But ICC should allow Afghan women's team to represent Afghanistan as Afghan-women-in-exile in ICC tournaments.
Those women apparently don't want to represent Afghanistan, I read the article, so why should ACB or ICC support them, it is Australian responsibility to support them in their local teams
@@Mu5tyLaghmani which article has this? I find it hard to believe that they don't want to represent their own country. They might not want to go back because of the political situation, but they surely love their country.
@shaonghosh1
Afghanistan women request ICC to help set up a refugee team in Australia
The team has asked to be administered by East Asian Cricket office in Australia, and not play under ACB banner or be called the Afghan national team.
The article is written by Ferdose Moonda, it is still available on espn cricinfo.
@@Mu5tyLaghmani Thanks for the pointer... But, this sentence is probably important:
"Crucially, the players acknowledged that "due to the government policies of Afghanistan, the Afghanistan Cricket Board and thus the ICC cannot recognise them as a national team of Afghanistan", and have not demanded to play under an ACB banner or even to be called the Afghan national team. "
It seems like They are saying that they realize why ICC can't recognise them as Afghan National team and hence they are not even demanding that. They just want to play. I think ICC should allow them to play.
@shaonghosh1
Well it is either Australian not wanting them to play for Afghanistan or the girls themselves, coz the government we all know is against it.
Really complex issue but can’t act Pakistan ISO complex issue for Indians and can be shrugged off calling it as a political and make every conditions to play them together but act high n mighty with Afganistan political situation!
Because it literally is just politics. India doesn't want to play Pakistan except they keep grouping them together in literally every tournament on the planet. What is this half assed approach? If India has such moral high ground then they should refuse to be grouped together with Pakistan in any tournament and should only play them in semi finals or finals.
Australia just need another reason to not host or tour a smaller team. They do this with every small team. Hell they dont tour westindies man.
Icc shd recognize the in exile w team in Aus as official. Else ban acb.
I think a foriegn region of women players unable to play for country of origin a powerful force and step towards professional and player emancipation worthy of woman's and men's cricket. Where do those without a country play? What if the female Sobers is lost in the mure of men exploitation and rules?
Spelling!😮
Foriegn Legion not region
Mire not mure
Damn spelling AI!
South Africa was banned; did it help? No. So why are we repeating the same mistake? You think that by banning the men's team, the Taliban will change their mind.
If countries like England or Australia really worry about human rights, where were human rights during the 20-year war in Afghanistan? The UK and Australia were also involved in the conflict, so it becomes hypocritical to talk about human rights.
We should ban them, if it doesn't change their mind then Afghanistan will never have a cricket team and so be it.
england are moral champions always 👍🏻
Like Australia and England decide not to play with Afghanistan with some political reasons and its fine then it's the same with India decide not to play with Pakistan, due to some political reasons
It isn't a complex issue. Boycotting a cricket team won't bring Political/social changes in a country. This act of not playing the Afg team is purely a political posturing at best with zero substance or impact.
we can't say whether it would or wouldn't bring change I guess. But all manner of regimes use sporting achievement as propaganda and the participation in international sport does to a degree legitimise them. For instance I don't want to see British athletes compete against Russian or Israeli athletes because I feel this competition would give those countries credible and suggests Britain condones these actions when what they are doing in Ukraine and Gaza is deplorable.
I know my country is not perfect and had say Muslim countries refused to play teams from the UK (full UK or Eng Scot etc) when we were at war in Iraq and Afghanistan it would have been fair enough. Those wars were deeply unpopular in Britain, people would continue to protest against them and hopefully the government would take note!
@@nickvickers3486majority of your prime ministers along with US presidents are war criminals . Lol
Afghanistan men team beat strong cricket teams such as Australia and New Zealand so Afghans are champion already. Only Australia not playing Afghans men team?
Cricket and politics are two different things why are you mixing it. Why would cricketers pay for what government rule out...
The fact that such a question is being asked itself is Hypocrisy of the highest order. These so-called developed nations have no problem visiting and playing Pakistan (The state sponsor of Islamic terrorism in the world). Also Afganistan is a much better team than Pakistan.
You are getting Pakistan mixed up with Iran
Afghanistan should be stripped of full membership if they can’t field a women’s team. No exceptions should be made.
How about your women’s wearing hijab instead of walking around naked showing all their body to strangers😂
If they can play with Pakistan then whats wrong with afganistan
i wanna know their openion a bout Israel cricket and they do have team :D
England and Australia not playing Afghanistan has nothing to do with morality, its all monetary. For e.g Hypothetically if India were to not have a women team, do anyone really believe they won't be playing India and that's how we know its pure hypocrisy.
Nothing complex. Let the aspiring women players play in leagues around the world and show they are any good in a sport played seriously by about 4 and a half teams, then we will think about it.
Also, i demand the Western world define what a woman is before asking for a women's team.
Icc does not help ACB they are run by there players' money and few asian boards
Why don't you guys talk about the fool's paradise the English test team lives in?? Loses to strong teams, bottom of WTC tables everytime but still act as it they are some kind of Cricket Gods
England are 3rd in the ICC World Test championship.
🤣🤣, exactly
@@ivankowalski5009 Nope they are on 9th position. I just rechecked it on the official ICC website to make sure. They have never qualified for the finals and won't do so during this cycle as well. They are at the bottom even behind teams like Pakistan, Bangladesh
@@ivankowalski5009 we are 9th mate - stinking the competition out as usual
I would support a none of these cricket team!
I see where this is coming...... After the defeat to Afghanistan 😅 on world cup T20 2024😂.
ohh see they dont have a women team so lets ban men's team also and we will save cricket - west agenda😅😂
Yes all women should be allowed to represent their country in sport, but it’s not the Afghanistan cricket board fault, it their government that does allow or believe women in their county should not be allowed to take part in sport or have the same freedoms that the men do.
I also believe if the ICC are going to ban Afghanistan or reduce their funding they should also stop giving Indian and Pakistan the full funding see they only play each other at World Cups and not in test cricket.
If Indian and Pakistan are happy to play each other outside of their countries in World Cups their is no real reason why they can’t play test cricket in England or the UAE.
Haha , stop giving full funding to the Indians ? Watch 70% + of the funding for icc just disappear ! I dare the western , we ‘ll just form our own league like the liv golf . I bet you’ll come crawling back 😂
Icc has no locus standii in bcci pcb bilateral issues. FO
India does not need to play bilaterals with Pakistan and subsequently fund a country that was responsible for the 26/11 attacks.
Enjoy more London 7/7, Manchester 22/05 and Rotherham incidents you loser.
Don't cry when you lose a loved one, loser.
@@mod3353 something needs to be done and if this is the only way to get them to play together then so be it.
The reason india dont play with pakistan is because of terrorist attack... Recently 10 hindus were killed in kashmir valley.... so understand situation.
If ISIS formed a country and had a kickass cricket team should we legitimize them?
Either give woman's team full right or ban Mens team and force them play under neutral flag.
ISIS doesn't even know what cricket is, they are a proxy of foreign intelligence to malign Islam and justify western invasions in middle east. Think before you type, I understand your jealousy, your team is doing worse than Afghanistan hence why you are making emotional statement.
1st view and 1st comment and definetely yes
Human rights > Any sports. Australia is doing the right thing 💪
Very easy to take moral high ground for women's right but do look at what Australian soldiers did there, the kind of atrocities they committed against common Afghans. If anyone has any doubts then search "Brereton Report"
Why is Israel allowed to play cricket when it is actively being investigated for genocide and was found by international courts to be plausibly committing genocide. Isn’t ethnic extermination a far worse crime? Or do we only have these convos against countries who aren’t favorable to the United States?
the same reason why pakistan is allowed to play even after so many atrocities, mass murders, mass conversions, rapes on the hindu minority in their own country and countless islamic terrorist attacks on their neighbors. i am not taking sides, both pakistan and israel must face the consequences equally.
No, they absolutely shouldn't play them. The ICC needs to step up and ban them. The rules are perfectly clear about having women's teams. Afghanistan don't follow them. It's pretty simple really.
It’s not the Afghanistan cricket board fault, it’s their government that has the problems with not allowing women playing sport or having any freedom at all
Nope,nobody has the right to ban them.the men's team is not at fault for this,why punish them??
Get rid of taliban if you really want to do something.banning Afghanistan is just virtue signalling at best.
The Americans and other western countries ran away with their tail between their legs and now want to show their power by banning the Afghans cricket team.
Looks like the westerners know bullying the cricket team is easier than going after the Talibans
@@plawandey3715get rid of a countries government is not the easiest thing to do after all look at what happened when The U.K. and the USA tried.
@@plawandey3715Rules are always not applicable to Muslims, why do they have an exception? Ban the men's team, Taliban will allow women to play when your men's team who reached semi finals are not allowed to play. People will turn against Taliban, don't underestimate the power of sports.
It's not necessary to have a women's team...it's optional...the original game was/is always men and we simply love that, nothing more
Lol the original game was when women couldn't vote. Who cares what it was originally.
The original game had Indian servants 😂let's go back to the glory days of Empire