Has the T20 World Cup Been a Success or a Failure? Has it been Poorly Planned?😬| Kimber & Harmy
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
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talkSPORT's Cricket editor and presenter Jon Norman sits down with former Durham & England fast bowler Steve Harmison and cricket writer Jarrod Kimber to discuss all things cricket.
On today's episode, Kimber and Harmy discuss the 2024 T20 World Cup and whether it has drawn a new American audience. They also discuss whether poor planning harmed the event.
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Harmy... "How many real locals came to watch the cricket that were not from cricket countries?" ... I am one and saw many down here in Lauderhill, Florida! On rained out USA v IRE we were a bunch of new local fans present at the stadium to watch USA! I'm a local and originally from Mexico (not a cricket country!) and this T20 WC has got me converted into a new cricket fan! I was lucky to be present 2 days later for Pakistan v Ireland and I really loved the atmosphere of cricket; the only thing I am sad about is that being in South Florida I understand that we won't see that level T20 cricket for a long time after this WC!
Man I appreciate your support
Will you regularly follow the matches of USA?
@@Green-ou4cg I think I will! I enjoyed the match today v SA despite the loss. I'm even tempted to jump in a plane and go to one of their matches in the islands; I live in Miami so it's a little jump! Also, I am a Phys Ed Teacher so cricket is definitely getting put on my lesson plans for next school year!
Thi video is ridiculous.. These people are sooo orgasmed by flat pitches.... and homeruns they can't enjoy tight games... tight games are not only last over finishes.. tight games are tight all throughout the overs.. where it makes you wonder when are the runs gonna come ,when the wickets gonna fall.. and that's what was made possible by the new york pitch..on the case of timing.. so when matches are hosted in India, aus, England.... there's no timing issue for people who live on other parts of the world? if there is , then logically no WC will be enjoyable..cz some parts of the world will ALWAYS have timing issue.... it's so pathetic that you blame and slaughter an event based on the convenience of your timing... the only valid criticism is the rain . otherwise everything Is fantastic... this has been the most competitive World Cup thus far in world cup history...Unlike other World Cups ..most games were not boring... batsmen were made to feel special whenever they scored runs bcz it was earned... and if you're gonna say dasun shanaka bowling wicket maidens is uncalled for as he is not that good of a bowler... then remember all those runs you saw in IPl and other parts of the world with avg score of 180-200 pitches.. all those batting performances are also not normal and uncalled for bcz they are not qualify batsmen.. runs are fed to them by the pitch......and red ball cricket is obviously a contest between bat and ball... but if you think white ball cricket is not and mostly should be entertainment.. go watch baseball.. or create another sport like cricket but with bowling machines, not bowlers..then you'll get your entertainment.....
@@syeedchowdhury2501 couldn't agree more. two pompous fools spouting nonsense.
@@pantx0 I admire your passion for the game. Hope that you liked what you saw.
I live in Canada after leaving England 30 yesrs ago and ALL my cricket watching has been at the expense of sleep . I find it very narrow minded for you to say because of the time zone this world cup has been "in the dark". The world is more than just England and Australia!
Exactly 💯, for North American cricket fans who've sacrificed sleep for years to watch the sport they love, this has been a wonderful tournament
EXACTLY
@@PJ-cm8ix All 8 of you
@@wackyadz06 😂😂😂
True
Utterly eletist Anglocenrtric discussion! We've had the most competitive and inclusive WT20s in some time and majority of cricket fans are able to enjoy it.
Your spot on just a bunch of elites chatting garbage
who is the majority? how did you come to that conclusion? better not to make claims that you can't back up.
Garbage.
No bhai it’s a boring World Cup
I mean, it is an English radio station doing a podcast with two English men and an Aussie for their UK-based UA-cam channel being recorded in England.
It's gonna be a little Anglocentric.
For TalkSport, anything not scheduled in the UK is rubbish.
2022 edition was great.
Say what you like, the games have been exciting and close, no 280 plays 100 like usual in T20. I think the waffle about the New York pitch is hilarious. People are making out its Sabina Park 1998. My theory is that present day batsman are so moddy coddled with flat tracks, tiny boundaries, everything against the bowlers, and bats that a number 11 can miss-hit out the ground. Anything less than this and the world is ending 😂
Only thing i noticed about the New York ground was the massive boundaries and slow outfield.
THANK YOU!!
This is a perfect explanation
It's not the low scorers that's the issue. It's the inconsistency that's the problem. That's dangerous. You can prepare for a wicket that's constantly low bounce like Guyana or wickets that are constantly high bounce like let's say some Aussie pitches. The issue with New york is that some balls are bouncing high and some are staying low when the ball is landing on the same spot. That's not good.
Brother, it's a dangerous pitch. What are you yapping about? Holy boomer.
NY Pitch was straight garbage. Stop pretending like its not.
Moddy coddled? Who says that? 😂
It's nonsense to say that white ball is just for "entertainment". The 250+ scores in IPL weren't entertaining it was just watching bowlers get smacked regardless of what they did. This world cup is far too heavy on the bowler's side. The ideal contest lies somewhere in the middle of the 2 and we had that a few years back. Going back to the 2016 world cup, 160, 180 or even 210 were the most common scores and I think that is when T20 is at its best and most fair for both bat and ball.
Nah that 2016 World Cup was a boring one, you consistently had scores of 180-200. An ideal game of t20 cricket should have scores of 140-160. The 2007-2010 world cups were very fun. 2022 was great to watch as well. 2021 was the worst, horrendous tournament.
2021 was boring because India was eliminated early right? @@rihitjamb3757
@@rihitjamb3757 if all the games are between 140-160 it makes it a slug fest. You need to have variety. Take the IPL(not last season) for example. If you go to Chennai normally it used to be 140 to 160ish, then you travel to Bangalore and it's a 200 run fest. You cannot organise a tournament which thought is lob sided in ones favour. Having variety is what makes the game exciting. All games being low or high scoring games make it boring. I'd say me personally I'd be happy with anything between 140 to 210 in T20 Games. The occasional high or low scoring game is fine but the whole tournament cannot be that
No matter how much you defend ..the concept of t20 cricket is to score as many as runs within 120 balls...it's not about scoring low runs...this world cup has been the worst ever...no hype no interest...even dead ODI world cup looked better compared to this baseball worldcup...test cricket is much much better than this third class t20 worldcup
@@rumba_tumba_zumba_kumba no idea what you're talking about but sure 👍
Gees lads, aren't you meant to like cricket? How much more do these guys want from the group stages?
I don't even think Harmy likes cricket. He seems to have that back in my day type of attitude.
"You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't." High-scoring games are boring, and so too are low-scoring ones. Which one is it? Granted the ICC dropped the ball in New York. It's always interesting to listen to the naysayers.
Did Harmy just say how many real locals came in New York. Basically how many white people watched the game 😂
Maybe he meant Native Americans ...
locals = not expatriates withing the last 20-30 years or something
Or actual Americans? And not Indians on visas?
Yeah... bro needs to check out what the actual markets are like in North America.
Targeting the expatriates is not necessarily going to the best for long term growth of cricket. Not going to get good quality expatriates all the time
What is the sickness in the hearts of Poms that causes them to whinge so? Harmi sounds legitimately depressed. Its T20 its just a bit of fun
they're poms, whinging is like a national sport for them.
@lg8000 expatriate kids on H1B visas would be great.
@dannyboy9573 how dare you!
Its not *like* a national sport. It IS a national sport. And we excel at it.
@@humblegamertube I know, I'm following the euros (as an Aussie football lover) all the fans do is bag the manager just to feed a collective desire to feel belonging.
@dannyboy9573 ah, now sports fans are *professional* moaners. They are a step above the average Brit whinger. Especially football fans. Mind you, they are only *just* worse than 90s English Cricket fans for that (thank you Australia).
So when the tournaments are held in England and Australia, India and South Africa, it's not inconvenient for other countries? Really? I imagine only developed countries matter. Jarod that is such a shameful comment
He’s talking about time zones you silly goose
Its a tournament specifically scheduled for the indian tv audience, it wasn't meant for anyone else
How's a match starting at 6 am any good for Indian audiences
What are you on about?
@@ashishmishra3671the New York matches started at 10:30am local time (8pm Indian Prime Time) how on earth do you expect to grow the game starting matches at 10:30am on a week day?
Where do you think ICC getting sponsors from ??
From India, who's gonna watch indian product ads in other regions
Obviously, the sponsors want to make money and there’s no money for anyone if the Indian market isn’t pandered too. The sport is literally 95% sponsored and financed by BCCI+Indian markets, it won’t survive without it.
As someone who lives in the US as an expat it's crazy that I can (easily) watch Lancashire play every single game on UA-cam but not a SINGLE match of the T20 WC....... despite it being hosted here.
You can watch the matches on Sling Tv/ Fubo
I think this was the only major mistake made by the ICC. They should’ve stitched up a deal with ESPN considering every WC march was shown on ESPN in the Caribbean. In all honesty, ICC probably didn’t expect USA to go to the second round and the subsequent buzz around the game. I’m sure they’ll have some broadcasting deal for future tournaments.
@@Aart.Vandelay it's a massive mistake if they wanted Cricket to grow here. As it is, it will stay a niche sport for us expats and our kids... And I'm okay with that
As a person from the caribbean, I hope yall know the timings were placed for the asian subcontinent to watch. *HOW ARE PEOPLE IN THE CARIBBEAN GOING TO FILL A STADIUM AT 10:30 AM IN A WORK WEEK* 😞 Even the 8:30 starts is probably a bit late during the week. India are literally going to be the only team to not play a night game 😒. The new York pitch was poor which is true but to say the par score in the caribbean has been 115 is a straight up lie boss.
All of the West Indies matches were at night.
Matches themselves have been entertaining , but all the other factors have made the event a massive failure. the selection of venues, pitches, scheduling ,marketing of the event , forcing rivalry matches in the first group round and of course the mind boggling decision to pre-seed the second round , may have skipped over even more shortcomings of the icc. absolute clown show , became a travellng circus
they even pre-seeded for semi final lol
Pitches were bad but the World Cup was a Success. It was Cricket's First proper World Cup. 20 Teams, 4 groups. Need 24 Teams in tye Future
You wouldn't be saying that if India had been eliminated because of those pitches.
@@Evil_Clown-eh6jzIndia is a world class team they should have the talent and capabilities to bat and win on difficult pitches.
@@deelonshaw6505 Yeah, they should certainly win against 4 minnows, regardless of the surface.
But India needed some bizarre Pakistani brain-fart and a dropped catch from Rohit Sharma's old team-mate to get through with 3 wins.
Those weren't very wide margins.
Even in the super-8s they have a free run till the semi final, with more minnows..
@Evil_Clown-eh6jz minnows or otherwise, T20 is and always will be a leveller. Over a 5 day test or even 50 overs, generally, the best team will win.
But in a 20 over blast, it all comes down to on the day performance. The USA would *probably* not beat Pakistan over 5 days, or 50 overs. But in 20? They had a far better chance, and they took it
@@humblegamertube true ,, and that the beauty of T20. It provide an opportunity for team to express themselves overa shorter format which is more appealing to no cricket enthusiasts.
It takes a different skill set to play on a wicket that isn't a road, and in my opinion it's a skill set that I find more interesting because it's one that I find more relatable. The only pitch to complain about was the NY pitch for the first couple of games before they watered it and put the heavy roller on. I like cricket where the majority of the runs scored are actually run. Just my opinion but this is the first T20 world cup I have ever been able to get into.
@alenbenny7169 The problem with Florida is simply the problem with having the US host a cricket competition in its current immature state. The only time suitable for cricket in New York is summer, and whilst cricket is possible in Florida in summer there is the problem with rain and humidity.. The solution, as solved in Qld Australia, is grounds that are specifically built and designed to drain quickly. The US is currently flat out even getting a suitable ground at all, much less one that is capable of draining quickly. Given games in New York were a necessity, and Florida is the home of US cricket I think that the ICC did the only thing possible and just hoped for good weather.
With regards the NY pitch, I'll just repeat that it takes a different skill set, and I prefer the NY pitch to anything in the IPL.
I'll also make a comment that I have long said that the biggest problem with Indian cricket is the incompetency of selection and the structure of the competition that adds to the complexity of selection. The one thing that the US got right was their talent scouting. If India could actually get an even moderately competent selection system they would never lose.
@alenbenny7169 "The bounce in any pitch must be consistent." - absolutely not. The entirety of the technique of batting in cricket and the cricket bat itself is designed to counter inconsistent bounce. You play with a vertical ("straight") bat down the line of the ball. The bat has a long batting surface specifically because you could not predict the bounce of the ball. Cross bat shots used to be frowned upon.
In any case that is not possible to have perfectly consistent bounce unless you have a soft surface because the seam of the ball will generate inconsistent bounce.
The pitch was never described as dangerous, if it had been it would not have been used, that is what the umpires are for and the players would have complained. There have been very few injuries so far in this world cup, it certainly has not been notable feature.
And what specifically is the difference between a bowling pitch and a dangerous one? By definition a bowling pitch must be one where the batsman finds it more difficult to predict where the ball is going to go. That must make it inherently more dangerous.
"So if a ball which pitches around 2m from the crease bounces over your head in one ball and the next ball it crawls down your bat-that pitch is called dangerous" - what you are describing is excessively inconsistent bounce, the variation of which is greater than the length of the bat. Only the first 2 games of NY were anything like that, and even then I would argue within the normal variation of a test match pitch.
"Indian and SA batsmen had to pay the prices with their stats " - what are you talking about? they won all of their games. Or are you talking about their batting averages and strike rates? If so, why? Who cares?
"And fun fact is the skill needed to survive in unfit NY pitch is called "LUCK"." - if that is the case why have the final table standings not represented luck whatsoever? T20 has been called a "lottery", and this T20 world cup has certainly not been the case so far. The US beating Pak was the only upset match and Pak played badly. If you are referring to individual batting being luck, firstly that is always the case which is why even great batsmen can get a duck, and secondly the stats in this world cup do not confirm that. The players that performed better did so consistently.
"That means he mishit 19 balls in that match... He was just lucky to be there." - no it doesn't. Two of the differences between a top level batsman and an amateur is technique and judgement. A top level batsman knows what shot to play and how to play it to reduce the risk of getting out when mishitting a shot. Pretty much all cricketers from club level to international level have essentially the same hand-eye coordination. What makes the difference is knowing how to play a shot and which one (a third difference is predicting the path of the ball from the bowler's action). The aim is to make sure that a mishit doesn't cause you to lose a wicket, whilst optimising your chances of making a run.
What a load of shite hahaha!
@@chriswatson7965 You've never played cricket, have you?
@@wackyadz06 Yes, but as a bowler. I don't like batting or batsmen.
Even though I am from New Zealand, I have still enjoyed that the USA and AFG are through to the next round and the Windies are playing well, is exciting!
Will you follow remaining games of the tournament?
I admire your passion given the time zone constraints.
@@Green-ou4cg yes and watch the games which are on at the right time for me!
can we have one show where you guys aren't complaining? It definitely wasn't the failure we're making it out to be.
Harmison is crybaby no matter what you ask him. Always moaning about this or that. It may not be best but it was enjoyable. People like close matches rather than one sided.
I'm just glad that associate nations have been given the chance show what they can do. It opens the possibilities for an upset or 2.
I am an Amercian who became intrigued with cricket after watching the US beat Pakistan. I drove 18 hours with my son to Lauterhill, Florida to see US-Ireland. There was a 5 hour window of absolutely gorgeous weather between rain. We sat in the glorious sun. And sat. And sat. Three hours after the original start time, it started to rain again and the match was called off. There was no sense of urgency to try to get the match played in the window that presented itself. If that is how cricket values its fans, I'll stick with other sports. My level of interest is now zero. I only watched this video to see if the presenters thought the tournament was a success or failure.
It's a 1000 times better than the IPL . Playing on road pitches where everyone is just blindly whacking scoring 160 in 10 overs throws the balance out of the picture. Here the batters need to pre calculate and user their brains more . It would have been fun to see Jake Fraser-McGurk playing on that NY pitch.
I think people are stuck on this IPL mentality. I love the fact the batters can't close their eyes and swing for the heavens.
@alenbenny7169 The bounce on NY pitch was consistent, It was a slow and sticky pitch. Only few rare balls here and there that misbehaved.If it was deemed as a consistent dangerous pitch with uneven bounce, every team would have complained to the ICC. There would have been few finger injuries at least .
Yeah, PSL is great 😂
@alenbenny7169 You are just cherry picking those incidents. The Incident of Kohli getting out happens everywhere..the ball just gripping and stopping on him.
I actually think its been fine. Its not the best tournament ever but its been fine and I have enjoyed watching low scoring thrillers.
P.S: Steve Harmison stop with the waffle on not being enjoyable. Please stop.
It's his opinion, and one shared by many. Why should he not express it?
I think that above and beyond this individual world cup what was shown was the Dallas model works.
Take an abandoned minor league baseball stadium with a sizable immigrant population center and revitalize the stadium for cricket.
The pitch gets played on, adjustments are made and if/when major teams come to play the quality will be there even if the stadium only holds sub 10k.
Both of USAs wins were at Dallas, both had good totals and the wicket was safe and fun.
The ICC should fine itself and gift that money towards a proper Dallas model stadium in the New York/New Jersey area.
agreed!
In terms of the schedules it’s been a failure after all it was played during the rainy season in USA/WI and should have been played earlier in the year, so to avoid so many games being rained off.
The pitches in the USA have been some of the worst played on, I mean this is a WC and we should have the best pitches
Also who scheduled New Zealand to play their first games 1 week later after some teams have even played 2 games ?
Agree, Eng would have lost to Scotland if not for the rain.
@@jeevankikahaniya6339bullocks they would
@@jeevankikahaniya6339in your dreams maybe
Def ..dint even realise nz was in the wc ..poor scheduling of sme matches and below average pitches in New York have made it little subdued to watch ..nt getting the heat of the tournament
@@CricketEnglandas an English crocket fan, we *would* absolutely have lost to Scotland. Look at how our form was at the start compared to now. We needed that rain.
Where we were at the start of the tournament form-wise, Scotland had the best chance since they beat us 2015 (??? Somewhere around then) to beat us again.
About Steve Harmison, Ian Chappell once had said that he is a good player but the problem with him is that the moment he puts his seatbelt on at Heathrow, he gets homesick. Now I know what Chappelli meant. Dude rubbishes anything outside the UK.
To not enjoy this tournament is just trying to be clickbait. Refreshing return of ‘the bowler’ in the game and the minnows were largely not afterthoughts at all.
These guys think their opinion matters.
8:01 As an Indian American, I can tell you can never do that. Americans are very territorial when it comes to their sport. You will never get “local” Americans (I’m guessing you’re talking about white people and not natives) filling up the stadium, even soccer cannot do that. Most people who watched the game in the USA were Americans, even if they were first-generation or second-generation immigrants. The goal should be to attract that audience because they are not watching any sport after getting away from home. So it’s good to invest in them, and then the future generation coming forward will already will be invested.
And there are so many people from England, India, the West Indies/Caribbean island, South Africa, and Australia, living in America. There is a huge audience that needs to be explored.
This such a dumb conversation…once the batsmen don’t get any joy, something is wrong with the tournament…idiotic analysis and I expect better
I really like the idea of merging two franchise leagues into one it makes sense financially for a league like the Super Smash merging into the BBL
I do like Harmy says you wouldnt expect England to play Serbia in a pitch like Boreham Wood, which is famed for having a premier league quality pitch paid for by arsenal in their stadium - even better than the Dusseldorf pitch at the euros 😉
Don’t get why they have sporadic world cups at any given time. How can you have a World Cup every year. Why not have a 50 over wc every 4 years and t20 wc every 4 years like the euros / World Cup in football. So every 2 years you get a euro and a World Cup. It’s crazy how sporadic cricket is getting.
Yes. And it devalues a win because it only lasts two years
There is no excuse for bad pitches - it must be poor planning. Because they had an excellent curator, a drop in pitch, but something must have happened in the 12 months leading up to the tournament to make that NY pitch just about unplayable. I feel sorry for Damien Hough because he has produced some of the best cricket pitches over a long period of time.
If Cricket wants to break in to USA, you need to break into Mexico first. Cricket will succeed so much more if it focuses on Mexico and then launches into US. Combine a loyal following of South Asians, Caribbeans and Mexicans,.. It will be a guaranteed hit in US.
I’m so sick of the vitriol towards the NY pitch. A grand total of maybe 5 deliveries could have been deemed dangerous. Every single match played on that pitch was a fantastic last over thriller. Apart from the first match, there was nothing demonic about that pitch. Yes the outfield could have been better. But is it really that big of a crime to have ONE ground in a tournament that’s not conducive to batting? Honestly if you want the garbage that is IPL and it’s 260-270 totals in every match then knock yourself out and watch it. Don’t pressure the ICC to turn the T20 WC into that.
Totals like 110-120 are bad too for a t20 the ideal total should be around 150-160
@@priyanshuverma2749 there’s no such thing as a bad total or a good total. There are bad games and good games. And NY had good games
@alenbenny7169 Spongy bounce is not dangerous. Kohli got out playing mindless shots in all 3 matches
The games aren't on at times I can watch. Then SKY doesn't even show the repeats at a decent time. So despite loving cricket and usually watching everything, I've hardly watched a ball.
Having said that, the pitches in the USA have not really been good enough. I would usually advocate for more help for bowlers, but in the USA it went too far the other way. Scores barely over 100 with no sixes at all in quite a few innings.
In baseball parlance it would be the equivalent to the "dead ball era" of 1900 to 1920 where hardly any home runs were scored.
ICC made the poor decision to put a stadium in NY, an expensive vanity project.
Games should have only been in Dallas and Lauderhill.
ICC is living in stone ages…empty stadiums, rain washouts, boring 3 hours of white ball cricket
It's okay 150 runs scoring games could be more interesting than this, but I think the current generation of players has been exposed to too many flat wickets and run fests. If you'd given this pitch to people like Sanath, Sachin, Gilchrist, AB, etc, they would have scored that 150 or even many more. Those players can make bowling pitches look like batting paradises. Current players score loads of runs in flat tracks but when they are put in a slightly bowler-friendly environment they make it look like a batsman's worst nightmare pitch. Not acceptable. White ball cricket has lost its legacy.
Harmison looks like a sad man , all of the time he gives negative comments
The times have been great in Western Australia. Fall asleep to the morning matches. Wake up to the night matches.
The pitches are shocking
The t20 World Cup, along with the difficult, bowler friendly pitches, was a resounding success for cricket and great for the game.
For a t20 game we need 150-180 game pitch, if we do anything above or below that it juat doesn't work, take the ipl 24 it was arguably the worst ipl to date
yep, anything above 180 is a slogfest and I just can't watch it.
Kimber is trying to paint a rosy picture of it all because, India managed to get through the super 8s, and as an added bonus, got Afghanistan in their group instead of NZ (whom they have NEVER beaten in a T20 WC).
Had India been knocked out because of those lottery pitches, Kimber would have been singing a very different tune.
Less home runs. Even the low scoring ones have much more 6s
Yep…for British only 2019 was the most successful World Cup ever hosted where a team was given trophy even it was tied match. Rest of the WCs are useless 😂
England won the previous T20 World Cup in Australia. They also won a while back in West Indies so your argument is somewhat flawed
@@Robc--jd6yh What did they win in WI🙄🤔? It's very easy to seat in UK n criticise. WI is not a country that too bunch of developing ones. It's always hard logistically to organise WC there. At least ICC started pramoting cricket in US. England and Aus are playing cricket from 100 years...what did both boards do in last 50 years to spread the game in the world? Thank heavens for Cary Packer...who brought money in the game, and thank Indian n subcontinent fans for making British cricketers rich. Look after the kohinoor diamond...😂
@@pixelligence3091 t20 World Cup 2010 was in West Indies and England won it. Just like they won the penultimate one in Australia. So, it’s morning to do with needing things in English time. The problem is India has too much power and yes it was a problem in the past when England had too much power. Wasn’t right first two world cups held in there.
Indian cricket should not be able to make West Indies start matches at 10am nor guarantee where they play in the semi final.
@@Robc--jd6yh So the WC that England won in WI was organised well and was absolutely fair huh...😊 Right. So when ECB was powerful, how much Eng n world cricketers were earning? And you talk about broadcasting time n venue...it's because sponsors can get back their investment by viewership dude. Without sponsors n money in the game both Aus n Eng test teams will choose to play IPL n hundred in stead of Ashes. 😂 Talking about clout...why does WTC finals are being organised only in England? Can you please explain?
@@pixelligence3091 it seems you are doing a great job of contradicting and arguing with yourself so I should probably sit back and let you get on with that.
I have already said it’s not fair for anyone to have an advantage and that includes England. I agree re WTC. I understand re sponsorship reasons but I’m saying I didn’t particularly enjoy the T20 WC due to the lack of atmosphere in the stadiums. It was too quiet as tickets were too expensive and the timing was suitable for Indian (and to lesser extent uk and Australian) audiences not the locals. So this isn’t an India v England thing or an Australia v Ind thing. I want to watch cricket played in front of a packed crowd. In your responses try to remove the anti English bias you inherently have as it’s not about England.
what horseshit is steve harmisson saying?
The UK media is all but ignoring it. No highlights on free to view TV is just beyond poor. Having said that the ODI World Cup was the same not long ago as Ch5 got the highlights but showed them mostly very late at night. Who is trying to kill off cricket in the UK?
The pitches are good, is just the batsmen are not good enough.
There is too much experimentation. They tinkered with 50 over to make middle overs exciting but it went down the drain. First 15 overs powerplay and reverse swing after 35 overs but still Batsmen going for it in last 10 overs. Good balance between bat and ball. Ruined that by new changes.
Too much T20. Franchise and International.
Look at Football. Consistency of format produced WC 2022 and Euros 2024. Excellent matches with supposed minnows coming prepared and causing upsets. Cricket needs to scrap too much T20 and understand that schedule should be so that fans don't go "What? World Cup again?"
The current market is in South Asia, the growth market might be in the US - and lets be honest the majority of england doesnt really care for cricket. *Whine-whine-whine*.... "this is not working for our time-zone, so this is in the dark" *whine-whine-whine* ..... Grow up guys, this is a global game and that means it wont work for some timezones like it does for others. It works for us in the US this time around; than watching games late in our night/early morning for other games. We deal with it - now it's your turn.
Who is we? How many people actually watch non India games compared to games in India?. And btw the world cup matches have been scheduled such that Indian time zones could watch it. no afternoon games.
I've loved it!!!! There's been great matches....every group has had drama
Timing is irrelevant if the sports keeps you alive.
You wanted to see the best of batters and bowlers... But you get to see the worst of pitches...
Was a marvellous competition lads. Loved every second of it.
It's almost like the world T20 didn't happen! There's more excitement at the Euro 2024 for Indian players than the Cricket on display
7:38 WTF is real locals? South Asian communities have been part of Americas since 1920's! Whats wrong with Cricket as expat sport? Soccer was expat sport for US for most part of its history thanks to hispanic Americans! Who used to perform Yoga in US 40 years ago? cricket might need 20-30 years to grow in the US, till then I don't think there is problem with it being immigrant sport.
Actually Australia has been in a favourable time zone since this World Cup has games in the WI night time which is late morning on the east coast
you usually see at least a decent attendance for every T20 world cup game regardless who was playing. it's even more sad to see empty games from the Caribbean stadiums. they should've had two games in the same stadium same day. well it's too late now.
With sports like American Football, Basketball, Baseball and Ice Hockey occupying major attention there is not much space for Cricket. Baseball has that odd similarity to keep Americans saying yeah we've got something like Cricket. Will take a while.
I knew nothing about cricket, but my son and I were intrigued after the US beat Pakistan. We drove 18 hours to Florida to see US-Ireland. There was rain the day before, but on game day there was a window of beautiful weather -- bright sun and warm weather. Three hours after the scheduled start time, it started to rain and the match was cancelled. They had time to prep the pitch and get in at least some play for the paying fans and the curious Americans. But there was absolutely zero sense of urgency. If this is how cricket values its fans, screw it. There are plenty of other sports that are more fan-friendly that we can spend our money and attention on. I should not compare cricket to American baseball (but other potential American cricket fans will). In baseball, the moment it stops raining they haul the tarps off the field and restart the a baseball game, even if the outfield is soaked. Cricket lost two easily gettable fans.
Harmison is upset because they’re no flat tracks for England to go and swing from ball one
honestly there shouldn't be a world cup of any format within a year. the odi wc ended nov 19 and it's june and we have a world cup. it's hard to care about it. the t20 world cup needs to be once in 4 years. I'm for having more teams in the wc, but think more matches need to take place in a day so the elimination round doesn't take so long. got to be more like euros or fifa wc.
Being in the north american timezone its been great. Nice to finally be able to watch cricket.
I went to 3 of the NY games and thoroughly enjoyed the low scoring games. Would MUCH rather watch that than 250 plays 250 on a road
Despite the ICC (=BCCI)'s best efforts in the opposite direction, I'd say the associate nations of all people have made this a tolerable tournament to watch.
This is one of my first times trying to watch the whole thing.
Its been decent, hard with living in the uk some games on at 130am.
And also its been hard to keep up.
Highlights have been on icc website and not youtube.
I wish that they wouldnt play at the same time as the euros because i like both sports
Harmison is a numpty. I don't think it's been a great world cup but not for the reasons harmison has given. Watched England v South Africa and there was one man and his dog watching it. The USA matches were a success and really entertaining. The matches in the carribean has been poor as the stadiums have been empty.
Well so much talk on the pitches...most of the pitches in the 80s and early 90s were difficult to play and we have seen players getting injured...i see no reason for modern players to not face some "chin music"
Important to have a view tournaments with pitches that favour bowlers. It’s not a batsmen’s game. Maybe not ideal for T20 cricket, but not automatically a bad thing.
It’s bullocks. This is one of the best T20 WCs we have had in a while. Easily the most memorable one since the first one in 2007. It’s precisely the “dull pitches” that have made so many matches competitive and allowed associate nations to pull a lot of upsets. It’s just damn if you do damn if you don’t with this guy. In a game which is already so heavily geared towards the batsmen, it just takes one tournament with competitive pitches for the whiners to come out in full force. Well guess what, what we are seeing in this World Cup is much more preferable to 200+ per match as seen in the IPL. Enough with the pessimism. USA for the first time was dialed in the tournament and I kid you not, so many Americans who had no interest in the game started paying attention. Some bars with subscription to Sky were showing games at night when the Windies were playing just due to more people asking about it. Sure, it didn’t get everything right but if you think this World Cup is not better than the previous editions then you’re just being an ignorant moron.
can Harmison go two sentences without contradicting himself?
evidently not
So the time zone is an issue? Look how many times English and WI fans have to stay up to watch or listen to matches from the southern hemisphere. Or doesn't that count?
Had zero interest in T20 WC. It shouldnt even be called a "World Cup".
The world Cup is played every 4 years...this hit and giggle version is just a tournament and too much of it. It is Boring.
what's bad about the pitches? unpredictable bounce?
Harmison being a whining POM as usual
For me, this has been one of the best world cups I have ever seen. Me living in USA helps as well, since matches start at 9:30 am cst, 6:30 pm cst & 7:30 pm cst respectively.
US needs a functional board - depressing that this is Mk II after the previous board was kicked out of the ICC for being too dysfunctional (which must be a really high bar to reach).
Agree with Harmy .
When you understand something then you will be able to enjoy brother.
Its scheduled for the Indian Audience
Watch highlights and re-runs from WT20 2022. Fast bouncy wickets, large boundaries, consistent bounce but not entirely in batters or bowlers favor. Perfect!
the new york wicket makes it better
Harmison talking absolute rubbish. The IPL was absolute crap. Those low scoring games have been fascinating
so USA/West Indies miss all cricket around the world, seems fine to let them host 1
Is the World Cup on now?
By that standards England should never host anything cos evey other match is delayed or abandoned.. This happens even in a bilateral played over the shortest period, forget the world cup..
It's these lot attitude that has seen test cricket die and controlled by the big 3, time zone issues are you ridiculous, never a problem with australian time zone.
Why does cricket need to become international? I don't get it. I'm happy with tradition and traditional showdowns and rivalries. I couldn't care if it grew into the States or not. I'd prefer if it didn't tbh
If you have problem with international cricket then don’t worry. Within a few years cricket won’t be international anymore and t20 club cricket will be the primary.
Viewing figures dont lie. With big scores come big numbers for viewers. The grounsman are obviously told this. Make the wickets flatter and the boundaries smaller.
I bet if Aus n eng were in finals, none of these Poms or aussies would complain one bit
Seriously few matches being washed out and erratic timings and poor pitches in New York made this wc in bits and pieces ..lacking rhythm and continuity..so nt ideal to get yourself glued in
6:33 I totally agree with him cause many original Americans didn't even know there was T20 and some Americans only reacted on UA-cam only for views but from their reaction we clearly felt that they are not interested they give importance to their national sports.
So this is a big loss for America.
Harmison needs to think before he speaks big click baits
This tournament has been poor just like the IPL was a good T20 tournament is one with scores between 160-200
Literally nobody is watching it, all eyes on the Euro’s
The wc is for subcontinent
I'm sure the people that watch cricket are watching it. Strange that.
International football is more boring than watching paint dry . T20 cricket is a million times more exciting
@@VARMOT123 t20 is garbage. Tests are the best format.
@@VARMOT123worst opinion I’ve ever seen
great times in Thailand 7.30am or 9.30pm - Kop khun Krap
Are you a thai?
All games are for entertainment and it should be like that....
Great bowler Steve Harmison! Till the time cricket is introduced in American schools, no chance of the sport slowly growing. For now, there's a huge expat presence in the sport, more American kids need to be playing! 🇮🇳