"FIXED Fixtures!" FIVE Things That NEED to Change For the 2026 T20 World Cup🤔| Bumble & Kimber
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In today's episode, Bumble & Kimber discuss the five things that need to change for the 2026 World Cup and why the ICC should stop scheduling India to play Pakistan in World Cups.
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as an Indian, I'd rather see, India vs England, India vs Newzealand, India vs Australia more than India vs pakistan. India vs pakistan is not even a rivalry, It's just a political fight in cricket ground.
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Very well said
Good point
fax even seeing the teams interact they look like friends tbh no rivalry is present
Let's not go too far. Even as a Brit I can tell you that everyone knows India vs Pakistan is the biggest fixture in cricket and everyone wants to watch it. But it should not be specifically put in tournaments everytime. There needs to be bi-lateral series. Both countries need to grow up, put politics aside and play eachother normally so we don't have to see this fixture fixing in tournaments.
Don't have a T20 WC every 2 years
Exactly or they should stop calling it a world cup
Why not
Think about the associated nations. They only get the chance to play bigger teams at the WC.
@@rajatsingh798 exactly and that also meant that the cricket in those countries develop more. It is just there are old school cricket racists that doesn't want other countries to come forth in cricket.
@gamerxvc3055 it destroys the brand. No one remembers the T20 WCs because they are played all the time
Most Indian fans find this pre fixing of venues and prime time TV in India totally absurd and ridiculous. Neither was the Indian team happy about it. But hey.. Its a capitalist world. I don't mind it if financially weaker boards can make more money and pay their cricketers better, improve cricket infrastructure.
Most Indians would rather watch England and Australia rather than Pakistan play against India.
@@utsavdasgupta8489 true.
@@utsavdasgupta8489 Lol hand full of Indians would watch Eng/Aus. Ind Pak is still the most watch cricket match
@@utsavdasgupta8489 bullshit bro. The numbers suggest otherwise. England vs australia only those indian fans would watch who are genuinely into cricket. Ind vs pakistan everybody watches. Idk how you could be so wrong with that comment lol
@@utsavdasgupta8489 if numbers bore that out to be true… wouldn’t you think BCCI would’ve gone that route? Why are they playing pakistan then in every single ICC tournament & more than once in few of them? Because it generates more interest, money & advertising revenue than basically all the other games even put together!
Just because you internet warriors don’t want it; doesn’t make it true!
Did these guys cry about the atrocious rules in England for ODI World Cup 2019 in the final - most boundaries or sixes winning the Cup/umpiring errors of Overthrows?
Jarrods Australian
He seems quite neutral
Also this is a complaint about scheduling not rules and umpiring
And besides this has benefitted teams like England and India but cricket is the overall loser
ICC is overdoing the T20WCs. 3 T20 WCs in last 4 years! Its not good for the game.
Whts the matter???
When 50 overs game talking about if it's 40 over game more thrilling...
It just diminishes the value of the event.
You didn't had one from 2016-20. The one in 2021 was pushed from 2020
Yes T20 world cup becoming a joke 😂😂 2022 England won the cup now after two years world will see new champion and in 2026 another T20 world cup 😂😂
The last match day matches should start at the same time to prevent teams intentionally knock out another team.
That's what the NBA does and I think it's brilliant. You could still try to find out what's happening by getting delayed updates but you won't know for certain so you have to play like everything depends on it.
Football have done it for decades
It doesn’t take a genius to figure it out, hazlewood even mentioned (jokingly) the possibility of changing how you play to knockout a team or to qualify yourself
Completely stupid scheduling
You should also discuss the advantages England has been getting by having the WTC final in England, it's another thing that they haven't been able to qualify for the final....
could you elaborate , england have made finals in world cup tournaments in different regions of the world , 92 (Australia) , 87(India &Pakistan) , 2010 (t20 carribean) , 2016(t 20 india) , 2022 (t-20 Australia).
Same thing goes for India as well.. he is saying.. fixture manipulation is there.. not only in T20.. and all need to be stopped
@@ahmedshakib3883 WTC stands for world test championship.
Test cricket is completely different compared to a 1 month tournament
What on earth are you going on about?
Oh yawn stop moaning. Was it fair that India had to play on cr*p pitches in NY before coming to to the Carribean and playing teams that were already used to the pitches/conditions there? Also re the Guyana thing, do you seriously think India were not going to pick spinners if they didn’t know where their semi final fixture was? I mean c’mon Jared, you’re smarter than that.
we played in NY for churning out money otherwise we could have played at dallas which is a better ground
What’s moaning in that ? It’s a genuine problem and make the game/sport more dull. Yeah you root for india and it’s probably all good from your end. But this is pathetic & dull. I wonder why people j**k off to BCCI so much
@@yeswanth_mocharla yeah is there any other team that has not played a night game other than india. Even our semi final venues are changed just to adjust as per the IST.
Yes he is not dumb as you. It was not random, and every small pre info matters
@@yeswanth_mocharla buddy its not BCCI.. its the Indian audience and advertisers.. they bring in 80-85% of the revenue.. cricket almost died after 2007 wc when India was knocked out in the first round due to lack of interest and sponsors.. you can moan all you want, but the truth is, events on such a grand scale need money to be organized and money only comes from Indian advertisers.. end of the day.. playing conditions are same for both the teams.. We never complained about pitches in Eng for WTC finals, or 11 venues for 11 games in ODI wc...
Completely agree bro, fed up with this India Pakistan match extreme madness. And the pressure on players is really damaging. I wish they never meet in at least one World cup.
Are you fed up with the ashes?
@@janga75do the Ashes happen in every single ICC event that happens no matter how good one team or the other is?
But the wtc happens at Lords and countries like Austrailia and New Zealand would be more acclimatised to those conditions. In fact, New Zealand competed in a series just before the wtc against India...how is that fair
@@poonamshah9204 that’s such an ireelevant argument though. That’s like asking why the World Cup will happen in India when they clearly are suited for that weather and no one else is. That’s the challenge! Sure they might have more acclamation because of region and who they play often, but at the end of the day the side that’s the best will win it. Why play it anywhere if one side will have an “advantage?”
We have the Money Dummy !
Like it or lump it.
England have the wtc ground fixed but still can't qualify
The final of WTC should be held in the country that wins the table at the end of the league cycle. It will ensure local viewership as well.
@@Shaitan-K.Pillay you can't do that because the calendar only allows for it take place in certain locations. Complain to the BCCI for not wanting to host the final back when the hosts were being selected.
What kind of butthurt comment is this? They are pointing out the genuine problems stopping the game to grow and you’re butthurt coz they pointed out a problem with your board or something?
Anyone can host wtc final in theory. If bcci put their foot down and said they want to host wtc final then it will happen. Key point is NO OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH WILL FILL STADIUM FOR A NEUTRAL TEST MATCH. As a result no else is interested in hosting it.
@@yeswanth_mocharla thank you! Just because you're Indian doesn't mean you shouldn't have to defend everything done by the ICC, BCCI and Indian cricket team. It seems like most people don't understand that and do nonstop bootlicking.
England had 5 spinners in their squad, it's not rocket science to pick spinners when slow pitches are the norm in the Caribbean. Guyana isn't the only spin friendly stadium.
The fact is that it shouldn't be allowed
@@samsoh93 ask your mother to pay the revenue to icc...
@@samsoh93 both semis are at different times, I heard one Australian journo say he was okay with the time being revealed earlier but not the stadium. How are they going to sell tickets and how would people plan to go somewhere if the stadium for a semi isn't known in advance? These guys have lost it, a bunch of salty crybabies.
@@prithviroy11 okay then why only India knows where they playing they semi finals before the rest? 🤔
@@prithviroy11I think u have miss understood I don’t think there is a problem with the time and location being released prior but the problem is that india were told where they were going to play beforehand
Norman just skipped Australia and England match quietly.
That is because you play India and Pakistan together.the other is just by product of the first policy.
@@kshitijgupta3334 Nah ah. I don't belive anything Norman does. He coviniently tries to divert anything on England. Jarror often questions them but Norman diverts them
Typical white privilege in what was discussed
this is called, what aboutery...why can't v accept the truth
our indian team gets benifited all the times and same goes with eng and Aus tooo
thats what these people are discussing that, it shd b same for all the teams
@@mdakhil2647 i think if they can claim eng vs aus to be the greatest rivalry in cricket, it isnt what aboutery
India played 9 league games at 9 different locations in the last ODI wc nobody cried at that time
U didnt get the point . Its about the fixture how its made by operating team which is harming everyone. And fairness of game is compromise.
Its not about india or australia or england or pak . Its about everyone ,dont take critisim as an attack.
@@ATHEIST_NEPALhow did it harm your team?
These morons don't matter, who cares what a bunch of nobodies in a studio think.
leave this guys man...they just suck english and ausie diks thats it....its always india this india that....yeah lets not hv ind vs pak matches...what a grt improvement....lets fund the wc frm these guys pockets...fuckers dont understand that to host such wcs it costs lots of money which is mostly funded thx to india matches....they just keep bitching without thinking rationally
ICC used India to churn money out of NY but ended up putting us under the shittiest pitches in the tournament. India could have called it a conspiracy to knock us out of the WC after getting American money right??
Did u hear ICT complain about pitches even once? If India gets what it wants, shouldnt all pitches been made proper T20 style batting ptiches??
This is the stupidest argument. Lol. How stupid you can be to defend s#!thole BCCI?
No Indian team did complain as well regarding pitches and practice facilities there in the US. More than using India they used Indian fans actually for making money
Just have 2 groups with 16 teams ,8 teams per group then semifinal and final.
Each team gets to play 7 games in group stages and let the best 2 teams from each group advance to semifinal.
Too many dead rubbers like odi World Cup
@@Will5353_ But the strongest team will have chances to come back in tournament and won't be eliminated just because of rain or 1 bad game like this world cup wer newzealand got out.
@@Will5353_you didnt get the point of world cup then. Worldcup is about the development of cricket. Its about budling more cricketing playing nation. What you think about afg now, netherland, ireland , nepal , usa , omen. This contry had shown other even small team can beat big team in shoter form . Playing game againts big nation will helps growing team to learn and improve, even they loose whiling doing it but day will come when they will achive their goal. Thats whats world cup is about.
@@ATHEIST_NEPAL they still get that now with 4 groups of 5
2 groups 8 he too many meaningless games
@@shortnfobut why would you want that, strongest team bla bla
It's a world cup, if you start slow and get beaten by weaker team you deserve to be out simple as that
Completely agree with all the points raised in this video. The thing that annoys me mostly is how one semi-final has the security blanket of a reserve day whilst the other doesn't. The weather in Guyana on Thursday looks bleak and there's a good chance that England could miss out on their chance to get to the final due to something outside of their control. But because they are playing in semi-final 2 they don't have the comfort of a reserve day. It should be a simple fact that each team has a fair and equal opportunity to progress to the final, but clearly this isn't the case. Surely the final could have been scheduled for Sunday to prevent this problem? Do better, ICC.
Utter nonsense actually. I can't get my head around it. How on earth One SF match and another SF match both of these matches very important, and then the 2nd SF is of lesser importance???? Not having a reserve day for a major Knock out match of a major event ?? What kind of nonsense that is ??? Absolutely disgraceful by the ICC
@@vybhaveswaraiah7114 absolutely, well said!
These things have been happening in the World Cup tournament for a very long time ago. I remember the 2007 world cup final, you people worrying about a semi final now but back then the final itself does not have a reserve day for it, between Aus vs SL, i remember at one point when rain and bad light interrupts the game umpires and officials having a chat about calling the game off and announce Australia as the Winners because of the points and wins they scored in the group stages but luckily that didn't comes to that and play resumed shortly but suddenly now it's gaining more attention and turning more heads towards it, just because India and England playing this Semi final only, if England scored more points in the group stages I'm sure it's not became this much big of an issue and a talking topic but It's India having the upper hand here now that's why English and Aussie media having a problem with it, If England is so cross about this Icc rule of not having a reserve day and team with more points in super 8 will play the final rule, why in the world they didn't have a problem with the Icc rule of Team with more boundary count wins the match if the super over too ends up in a tie, why can't they give back there World Cup to Icc, because basically it's a mistake of an rule set by the Icc and at that time it favoured the England team for their benefit, so back then they don't have any issues or problems with Icc rules and they proudly call themselves champions if anyone ask about it they said we won it by the rules of the Icc why are you having issue with it like that, but now it's not in there favour and they starts to cry like they always do but why in the world I'm seeing Indians supporting these biased media persons shitty talks, Don't you people have some basic understanding of their double standard hypocrisy 😶😑
That last bit of discussion was amateurish, not the aus-sco situation. If you have a group stage where nrr matters, such a situation is always possible by the simple virtue of the fact that matches are held chronologically. So in the final matches teams know what they need to achieve to qualify or disqualify other teams. What's the solution - to hold all matches simultaneously? Ridiculous "discussion"
It's not a ridiculous discussion. The NBA literally has it so that every single of their 30 teams play their final game at the same time.
@@rangergaming8316lol what are you talking about. That’s not true. And also 95% of teams know their situation before the final game.
@@aalokjoshi6839 so what? They have all teams play at the same time to make sure that none of the teams decide to purposefully tank to get a more favorable matchup in the playoffs. It doesn't matter if most teams are set already.
@@rangergaming8316 oh brother.. you need to look into the NBA more. Teams intentionally tank all the time. In some
Instances entire seasons are spent intentionally tanking. Horrible logic and it’s actually just false. The last game is not played all at the same time window.
8:05 this bunch of foolish people did not say anything 😡 during 2023 wc where india travel 10 grounds for wc campaign
Why would they,they know now if rain happens ind goes to the final and if match is played spinners will be dominated so that's why they r complaining.
If eng loses they will bursting fire from their mouth😂😂
They travelled because it was a home tournament and the ICC wanted more fans to see India play at more of the remote locations so the grounds were not empty
After all no Indian would go out their way to see Afghanistan v Netherlands in some India backwater
@@Saturday234so getting to final by corruption is good? You are happy that BCCI is controlling ICC?
okay how many days were there in between two matches for INDIA in the ODI world cup 2023, and find how many days are there in between 2 matches for teams like SL, NED
@@AazirAhamed25 how that an issue India won all their group games
You think India is qualifying because of all these nitpicks. India is the best team.
Every ICC event in the last 10 years has been heavily influenced by BCCI and this year we have seen the peak ( at I hope so ) .... How can the 2 semifinals have different rules... How can you fix prior to the tournament that if India qualifies for semi they at Guyana... Totally sad.. The other boards should have the balls to stand up against BCCI and not just continue to lick their boots.. The Irony is that despite all this, India has not won an ICC tournament in the last 10 years while Australia, West Indies, Pakistan, Newzealand , England have 😂😂😂😂..
They can't be even handed, never heard single cry about WTC Final, in England, every year.
Where else would you hold it
Can’t award it to the top team as these things need to be planned years in advance, Indians don’t show up to test cricket and Australia summer isn’t at the wrong time of year for the start of a new cycle
Easy way to guarantee it will be a neutral venue
@@Cactus732 so if Australia plays WI in WTC in Cape Town who would watch in person ?
@@Cactus732harsh, but fair
No it's because it's played at the end of the cycle which coincides with the English Summer, no other Country has the weather to play then, simple. Apart from that yes, England is the only country where the stadium is full in Tests for Neutral teams playing. Say Aus V India are playing or SA V NZ. I can't say the same for India, the stadium would be empty for say SA V NZ.
Also Broadcasting wise, it is in the right time zone. Schedule wise, it is one of the few countries which has cricket season in that time of the year.
Attendance wise, it can guarantee decent numbers due to immigrant population and convenient travel.
I doubt many other countries even want to host a test match. Let's be honest Indians are so keen to tell everyone that the BCCI run the game because of India's population, so if they wanted to manipulate the schedule and when the cycle starts, they could and have it played in their summer. Ever though why they don't? because they know make more money from it being held in England.
Also, as far as India selecting 4 spinners point is concerned, one team CANNOT make an entire squad based on one match. This would have been the squad regardless of the venue because it is the WEST INDIES!!
So called non biased foreign media
England picked 5 spinners in their squad, namely - Moin Ali, Adil Rashid, Tom Hartley, Liam Livingstone, Will Jacks. I seriously think the Anglosphere can't deal with our domination of the sport.
Domination?? You havent won an ICC event in over a decade 🤣🤣🤣 England, Australia, New Zealand, West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka have all won a major tournament since the last time this “dominant team won something”
yes. true to some extent. but this does not negate their point. It is still unfair that others have to compromise and adjust to external factors while one team knows what is coming.
@@prithviroy11 what is the point of this domination if you are not pushing cricket forward by having fair tournament.
if you really want everything skewed in your favour then play everything in India. Be brazen about it. control everything. Put every tough rival in one group.. so most of them do not even qualify.
It is good for the game to have a tournament where every team is treated equally.
In Asia cup only one game had reserve day. why are other teams even playing that tournament then.
Bottom line is organise a fair tournament. my argument is not about bashing one team.
Britain the fallen empire wants to change the rules now😂
It's not just them, actual cricket fans hate this format as well.
It's about what's objectively correct, instead of being subjectively decided.
Idiots like you would always bring patriotism into this. Corruption isn't good. Keep sport clean and fair
Jarrods australian what’re you on about
@@rangergaming8316 Test cricket fans are not true cricket fans.
Completely agree. How they predetermined India and Aus to be in same Super 8 group was absurd. How they fixed India to play Semi Final 2 was absurd. If targeting Indian audiences. Make it both day games. Rather than give a team fixed semi final venue.
There was no guarantee of that happening if they didn't top the group. Austrailia could have also topped the group and player semi final 2 surely..
@@poonamshah9204 You are mistaken. It was clearly stated if India qualify they will play Semi final 2 in Guyana irrespective of their Super 8 standings. Please check ✔️
Fixing matches for revenue isn't that bad what irked me was that there was no reserve day for Semi final 2 where india was supposed to be playing, this is absurd
And we all know how our BJP government works, they do these things regularly every day in India
i never heard you people discussing why wtc has to be played in england? why it's not possible in SA? SL? IND? BAN? ECB need money here right? because everybody knows England is trash test team . mostly it's ind/aus/nz these 3 comes at top.
How many Indians would watch in person a SA V NZ test match ?
The final should be held in the country that ends up first in the wtc table.
@@Shaitan-K.Pillay needs to be planned not further ahead than that
Should be top 4 and India and Pakistan should be forced to play against each other or they both lose points
@@Will5353_ I actually believe it should be a longer cycle to accommodate all teams playing one another. And yes, if India doesn't want to play Pak or vice-versa, award the points to the other team.
@@Will5353_ the money comes from tv .
Shame you’ve limited yourself to 5 items…
One country
Outside of Rainy season
Match times
Pitch quality
Reserve days
Top teams direct to Super 10s
Terrestrial coverage
UA-cam Highlights
Full stadiums
England and Australia don't play each other "fairly often" in ICC tournaments. They play each other literally just as often as India play Pakistan. 2015 ODI WC, 2017 Champions Trophy, 2021 T20WC, 2022 T20WC and now in 2024 as well. Every time England and Australia have been put in the same group.
True, just like ind,Pak eng and aus are also always in the same group
Different topic, but we don't like ICC test championship finals happening in England every time. Who decides that? In all fairness, you can't expect a subcontinent team to straight away go there and win the trophy, whereas the the other finalists (NZ and Aus) have been helped to win against India, thanks to the swinging and seaming conditions on offer. Let's have the final in SL, then we will see who wins.
Uspe baat nahi karega jab tak eng jeet nahi jaati tab tak toh nahi
more ridiculous fact is.. just before Ind vs NZ WTC final.. NZ played a 2 test series against England in England..
You want to have a championship final in an empty stadium ?
Because ecb bidded for the rights
Why it isn't clear to layman indian audience
It's played at the end of the cycle which coincides with the English Summer, no other Country has the weather to play then, simple, plus England bid on getting them on their wasn't much competition for obvious reasons.
Apart from that , England is the only country where the stadium is full in Tests for Neutral teams playing. Say Aus V India are playing or SA V NZ. I can't say the same for India, the stadium would be empty for say SA V NZ.
Also Broadcasting wise, it is in the right time zone. Schedule wise, it is one of the few countries which has cricket season in that time of the year.
Attendance wise, it can guarantee decent numbers due to immigrant population and convenient travel.
I doubt many other countries even want to host a test match. Let's be honest Indians are so keen to tell everyone that the BCCI run the game because of India's population. So if they wanted to manipulate the schedule and when the cycle starts, they could and have it played in their summer. Ever though why they don't? because they know make more money from it being held in England.
What about England vs Australia match? What about South Africa vs Netherlands who have been a boogey team for them in the past. This world cup is filled with such fixtures, and for super 8 seedings it's because the Islands are separate entities and not a single body therefore they require visas for entering. Why is no one talking about it?
Agreed with all the points discussed in the video... even as an Indian, this preference given to India just because the market demands is simply wrong...
Thank you. You are actually a rare level headed Indian fan who is not corrupted by this blind Indian patriotism.
Indian domination will destroy cricket. Too much power concentration in one hand
India is used as a profit for ICC , TV audience is the most from Asian countries like India , Pak , Sri Lanka and etc. The ICC made the timings so obvious so that India would be there , it stops no one from sending someone and monitoring the pitches like Ind vs Pak points are gold and England Australia is kept in the same way not due to the profits like India vs Pakistan because the groups have to be fair + 2 good teams per group so that the obvious qualification to the super 8 is seen. The group with New Zealand, West Indies and Afghanistan was the group of death.
Then will u finance to ICC?
Getting profit from India DOES NOT mean they should control cricket. That's corrupt.
I remember that everyone used to hype up for India Pakistan matches 5-10 years back
TV debates, history of rivalry, classic moments used to run continuously 2-3 days before the match
But not it's nothing but an average match for all of us in India
It's time for ICC to focus on promoting new countries rather than milking decade old rivalries like IndvPak, EngvAus etc.
If countries increased then rivalries will also increase
England vs Australia is still top class
Where were these arguments last year 2023 world cup?
The argument was there too. Pitch doctoring was also discussed. It just backfired on India
@@samsoh93only if abortion doctoring wouldn't have failed in you ... There would be one less samsoh moron in the world
@@samsoh93Totally facts India is loaded with dew and they dominated the tournament and bottled the final in the end 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 because their biggest advantage became their disadvantage
for whom INDIA, you have to understand that there were few days gap in between two matches for INDIA in 2023, but this world cup there are hardly any days in between two matches
Just go and see SRI LANKA's schedule for this world cup and the venues where they played and the time gap between two matches
When the odi world cup matches were held in India, Indian team has to travel for every single match sometimes it feels our player are exploited for money and why there has to be ipl before every big tournament it's not good for our preparation
Price of being host country got to travel around more so all your fans can see you play
2007 world cup in the West Indies was a massive flop, didnt make a profit because india and pakistan didnt play against each other, after that ICC took no chances
there were other reasons too for the failure of that World Cup not just because India and Pakistan were knocked at early stages which actually makes no sense.
Here are possible reasons:
1. Well for starters West Indies got its first ICC tournament when they were already a declining force. ICC in fact, didn’t host any minor tournaments too in West Indies so that their grassroots structure develops well.
2. This led to lack of viewership among locals as t20 cricket was already round the corner and many teams including West Indies were embracing it.
3. Upon that the ticket prices were high and locals weren’t allowed to watch the cricket in Caribbean way such as they weren’t allowed to bring musical instruments into the stadiums.
There should be Quarter Final instead of Super 8. Knockouts > Round robin
Also no pre seeding
I think there is definitely an advantage of getting to play basically all your games either at night or during the day, especially if other teams have to go from late-night finishes to early-morning starts regularly. No other sport would accept this as a fair way to run a tournament, no matter what team you support. Add to that requiring teams to travel excessively while others are allowed to basically set up a base-camp at one ground, lack of a reserve day during the second semi-final, organising the tournament during a monsoon season which robbed some teams of the chance of qualifying (however remote), and giving only one team advanced knowledge of where they will be playing if they make the semi-final... these are fair criticisms to make
As an Indian and Cricket lover
I completely agree with India-Pakistan logic
And I think all Indians will agree that India-Pakistan matches have no hype compare to what it used to be 10-15 years back
These guys won't stop crying unless India gets knocked out in group stage😂
Literally no one cares. All the points made were valid. They could have said even more about how every tournament is basically fixed for India's success and they still can't win anything. You guys are an embarrassing fanbase that can never accept any reasonable criticism
@@uzairsajjad1976 icc cares cause 2007 was such a failure. No one saw matches and wi lost heaps of money.
@@uzairsajjad1976 Come on, you are high on pork, man.
They never told anything about India. They had criticised the weird rules, quality of pitches, logic of preseeding and group seeding as a neutral perspective . At the moment it feels all is well for India. But these can backfire Indian team too.
@@rotinhell18there were other reasons too for the failure of that World Cup not just because India and Pakistan were knocked at early stages which actually makes no sense.
Here are possible reasons:
1. Well for starters West Indies got its first ICC tournament when they were already a declining force. ICC in fact, didn’t host any minor tournaments too in West Indies so that their grassroots structure develops well.
2. This led to lack of viewership among locals as t20 cricket was already round the corner and many teams including West Indies were embracing it.
3. Upon that the ticket prices were high and locals weren’t allowed to watch the cricket in Caribbean way such as they weren’t allowed to bring musical instruments into the stadiums.
I also add getting rid of automatic qualification by ranking, especially for the ODI World Cup. As the full members only play each other outwith World Cups, it makes impossible for associate teams to gain enough points to qualify by ranking even if they outperform full members at the World Cup themselves.
We don't see FIFA saying the top 24 teams in the FIFA Rankings only play each other, automatically qualify for their World Cup and then make everyone else scrap for the remaining spots in regional/world qualifiers. We wouldn't see it in other sports either. Time for the ICC to do the same.
Without finances/budget nothing works. But thanks for this academic discussion, which just moved on from 'we understand financial aspect and all, but..'
Lol Eng and Australia were ruling cricket for ages and calling out all the shots until IPL brought money to India. Everyone knows the racism that occured when India wanted to host 1987 WC
Once India grows, suddenly Ausies and Eng cry foul and talk about equality 🤣🤣🤣
Best screenplay writers in the history of universe:
1. Sorkin
2. Tarantino
3. JAY SHAH
Jay Shah is manchild
The viewership will definitely have an impact regardless of how 'mad' Indians are about cricket. The question is whether ICC is willing to make that choice in the spirit of sportsmanship?
To wrap up what they said at the end. And please, remember these clowns get paid.
1 - Cannot have India v Pakistan? Why not? It's the only time they get to play and it's always a great spectacle.
2 - "No other sport fixes for TV" the champions league is literally fixed so certain teams cannot play each other.
3 - Pre determined seeds. With the travel around the West Indies it is crucial for teams to have an idea where they are going to be to provisionally book hotels and transport. Cant complain about the groups being easier when Pakistan and NZ bottled.
4 - No reserve day for semi final 2. They had a whole matches worth of reserve time up their sleeve which came in handy.
5 - Questioning tbe integrity of AUS players against Scotland. How dare you?! What a disgraceful thing to suggest any team would ever do that.
There was more, but I cant remember what other waffle they had to say
Dont cry baby on Australia out of T20 world cup..India played 9 league games at 9 different locations in the last ODI wc nobody cried at that time Horrible discussion.
Comments filled with Indian fans that refuse to accept the pre accepted advatages they obtain before every tournament. Ive always wondered whether the sensible fans from that nation would find silverware slightly cheapened when they do eventually win something?
Lol India were the only team that had to travel every match in WC 2023 inspite of hosting it. That means they had to play in 10 diff pitches where as other teams got to settle in one pitch for longer time.
Yeah, absolutely. People will find some stupid logic to try and say you're wrong but they'll ignore the facts and make up a lot of stuff.
@@thiruvetti it was a home World Cup and almost all of them had prior experience on each of the pitches. Let's not forget the semi final pitch getting mysteriously changed before the match. Please stop with the excuses to defend India.
@@rangergaming8316 Lol Its not an excuse. its facts.
Do u even realize the pressure teams are put due to constant travelling?? How many other hosting teams had to go through 10 venues in a single tournament??
Also India were sent to NY to churn out money but were given the shittiest of pitches. We could have been knocked out in the Leagues itself. Imagine the drama Eng or Aus would have done had they were to bat on such pitches.
Now where is "Dust bowl" equivalent ridiculing gone?? We will question English and Aussie double standards
@@thiruvetti by that same logic, after the first match India got to face Pakistan and USA on that pitch and it was both teams' first time playing there while India had already played a warm-up match and group stage match on there so they were more used to the conditions. You were complaining about having to travel to familiar grounds in a home World Cup and now you're complaining about getting more matches to get used to an unknown pitch while others didn't.
India played three spinners in all super 8 games where India scored 180+ in all matches. so this team selection was not only for Guyana
He isn't wrong about fixing the fixtures here, there has to be a transparent way of deciding the groups in a world cup
3:40 afghanistan: hold my water😂😂😂
World Cup every 4 years
No super 8 straight into a quarter final
Times should be to suit host countries. Like other sports fans just going to have to wake up at different times to watch
100%, super 8s is just a rubbish system. Basically, this tournament is a mess
@@larrygerry985 crazy how Australia could of lost 2 games in a row and still make a semi final
Rivalries are big selling point in any contest. There are several rivalries created or happened are good business for broadcasters. Ind/Pak, Aus/Eng, Ban/Sl matches make good business.
ICC SHOULD WORK ON MAKING THIS SLORTS MORE COMPETITIVE AND INCLUSIVE
ENCOURAGE AND PROVIDE RESOURCES TO NEWER UPCOMING COUNTRIES
England need to stop cribbing
Jarrod is Australian.
Too much t20 cricket. Go to 4 years like every other sport
Yes t20 wc should be like odi wc every 4 years
And scrap champions trophy
I have better solution, go and watch only one worldcup in 4 years
What Vaughan tweeted previously was 1000% correct. India didn't play any D/N matches, it's okay to leave it. But understand you can't see viewership for World Cup tournaments. In that case, you have see the viewership of the opposition team against India as well. See FIFA WC or Euro Cup or Copa America, all matches are scheduled even before the tournament and rules are decided before that. What's the need for Pre-seed when you have points table? Then whats the point in conducting group stage, u can play top 8 teams straightaway. Again leave it. Why India's SF match venue was changed from Trinidad to Guyana. IS that they knew it's raining Or they knew it's a spin pitch and Trinidad is a Green fast bowling pitch??? Why are there different rules for both SF matches?? In the India match, u don't have reserve day, table toppers will go to the final, and Afghan match you have reserve day. Literally, the Afghans sacrificed their venue to India and played without any rest. Rules are common for all teams, too in World Cups and these big tournaments. U can't have different rules for India matches and u change rules after or before India matches. Is this a level playing field for all teams? If u care only about viewership, then stop these ICC tournaments and play only franchise cricket. PDogg is such an opportunist. He didn't even understand what Vaughan mentioned. Vaughan was 100% correct in his point, but these guys didn't post that tweet and posting like nothing happened.
India and Pakistan represent ~22% of world population. We do not have any other platform where we play, and all fans want us to play each other. It definitely makes sense to have this fixed in the fixtures. This is one sport where western hegemony doesn’t dominate, for a change.
Sad to see India dominate icc n world cricket just for their own benefits...
If it is sad to see then please don't see because it is gonna stay like that for sometime.
honestly , every team gets a fair share of these things. India didn't play a single game in carribean till the super 8s, whereas teams like aus, eng were adapted to the conditions. why is the wtc always in eng? why does teams like sa, nz just play few tests in the wtc cycle whereas teams like ind, aus, eng have to play more tests which makes it harder to qualify.
And if you look at pitches, india is getting slow pitches now but two years back in 2022 T20 wc, the sena countries got favourable conditions which they are used to whereas india were in alien conditions.
why did eng get two easy games against afg and ire to start off 2022 T20 wc when ind aus nz got tough games to start off.
I sense some salty English and Australian tears
No other World Cup done like this
@@Will5353_ Will,
At some point the commercial aspect takes over the "Ideal processes". It's natural. I agree that ICC isn't perfect but if I am a broadcaster I will not pay 3 billion dollars (I believe this is the current deal) to feed Namibia vs Netherlands to the audience. No one would watch that. Plus why would I as a broadcaster pay huge money, if games are starting at 6 am for my prime market? (Which is literally 90% of my revenue base). No advertisers would want that.
Ironically these same "journos" would suffer if there were less eyeballs on a global event.
@@prathameshkadam8072 Indians would wake up at 6am to watch India or cricket in general as they are obsessed with the sport.
Growing the game takes more than giving associate countries 4 games at a World Cup every 2 years. ICC horrible at finding new markets
Things i would have for 2026 T20 Cricket World Cup
1. Next WC should be in 2030 instead of 2028, have an Champions Trophy in T20 Format instead in 28
2. Increase the Teams to 24 Teams and have a Euro type groups and start the knockouts from Round of 16 , QF , SF and the FInal, scarp this BS Super 8
3. Divide the groups like a proper sport aka by having Pot 1 , 2 ... and then randomly pick the groups of the World Cup. If India-Pakistan comes in the same by that method then fair enough .
Scrap champions trophy all together
I don’t get the point of it
What about England played all the matches in the Caribbean and India have to travel a lot... It is also an advantage to England..
Absolutely agree with you even as an Indian...no needs to put them together...Continuous fixtures (should I call it Fixed Fixtures) made it kind of boring event
Wow, I never realised how fixed it is fixture-wise, legally let alone the other way, lol.
so, all 12 full member country, 11 of them played 200 mil for broadcasting right, and India alone played 3 billion dollers, Moral of the story, if u want these changes, contribute more
It’s true that the ICC has scheduled India’s matches differently than the rest of the teams. But saying that they did so to favour the Indian team would be a bit silly for even a novice knows that this scheduling was done keeping in mind the interest of the Indian fans not the players.
The early morning starts, which is 08:00 PM IST, has helped the broadcasters, who have shelled out billions of dollars to obtain these rights, to attract maximum eyeballs and get a return on their investment.
Someone should ask someone like Vaughan and others like him that, if given an opportunity, what would players choose to play - a day game or a day-night match?
Vaughan’s biggest complaint is that Team India knew their venue for the semi-final match even before the tournament began. But is it the first time that the global governing body has pre-decided the venues for the knockout matches?
The answer is NO!
It’s neither the first nor the last. It’s been happening since ages and will continue in the future. The only reason why this issue has become such a huge talking point is because this time the beneficiary is India, not their country.
Now, let’s take a look at all the previous instances when the ICC went against the normal process and pre-decided the knockout venues during various multi-nation events.
A user named Darshan Sedani posted a thread on X, formerly known as Twitter, detailing all the previous instances when the ICC did the same thing.
In the 1992 ODI World, co-hosted by Australia and New Zealand, the ICC guaranteed both the hosts a home semi-final match, unless they faced each other, in that case, Australia would host their semis.
Later, former Pakistan captain Imran Khan, in his autobiography, would suspect that the Kiwis underperformed in their last league match so that they could get a home semi-final.
In the 1996 ODI World Cup, hosted jointly by India and Pakistan, the latter was guaranteed a home quarter-final, unless it was against India. Since Pakistan hosted the final of that edition, India got the quarters and the semis. That’s how India played Pakistan in the quarters at Bengaluru.
In the 2011 ODI World Cup, India, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh - who hosted the tournament, were guaranteed knockout matches at home venues at pre-decided venues.
A lot of ruckus was created when India and Australia, despite winning their respective groups in the league stage, were pooled together in the same Super 8 group in the T20 World Cup 2024.
Btw Ever since India reached the West Indies, they have been playing with 3 spinners.
These jokers dont know anything. india has ended up playing 5 games in 5 different grounds in 11 days
1. Agree with all the points.
Personally I would love every team having one match against every other team but total teams should be 10. Have qualifiers for associate nations.
2. What these guys are ignoring is the economics of running the sport & also many teams not as strong as in the past (SL, PAK, WI). NZ usually are regular in semi finals but this time team was not good enough. They never adapted to conditions.
3. Is discussion happening now because England find themselves in this precarious position if it's a washout?
4. It's this same fixing which has made it so easy for Eng. Eng have only beaten 1 Test playing nation (WI) on their road to semifinals.
5. Hope people don't think it's Advantage India all the way. Ind could have been in the same seat as Pak or Aus. What Ind did is it won the matches against good sides while Aus & Pak lost to relatively rookie sides.
If you want 10 teams WC then ODI WC is already there enjoy that so called WC
This game is never gonna be big if you just have few teams in it's bigger stage
It's boring to see the same teams playing each other every time so new teams should come and they should be given opportunities like this.
If ICC had given enough opportunities to other teams in the past then ICC would not have to put India and Pakistan in the same group always.
@@Sanjaychamlingrai27 The tournament has so many matches but good match ups were only a few. And now we have problems with those match ups as well. 20 teams are just too much man.
To be fair, Indians don't even enjoy IND vs PAK anymore. It feels forced and PAK are not on our level. We always get over them easily. We'd much rather watch IND vs AUS or IND vs ENG
1. Have an open draw for the group stage
2. Get rid of the super 8s and go straight into knockout rounds after group stage
3. Have a 3rd place playoff for the 2 losing semi finalists
4. The last round of group games should be played at the same time
5. Don't have super over at group stage. If teams tie, give them a point each
This channel will soar higher if they continue to debate honestly and pick up valid points. I love these discussions and opinions. Be unfiltered guys
All I heard was sour grapes, sour grapes (Ind vs Pak), sour grapes (Reserve day), some more sour grapes (Aus vs Eng, Team seeding). Sour grapes just kept on coming and I was enjoying it all the way.🤣🤣🤣
Love to hear you out guys ❤
The commercialization and financial focus in sports can lead to concerns about the dilution of the traditional spirit and fairness of games, as financial priorities may overshadow sportsmanship and the essence of competition
What about seeding in tennis tournaments. That's a kind of manipulation too, to make sure the top players don't face each other too soon. Is that corruption too?
There still a randomness to it
After the group stage, there should be a quarterfinal, not another group stage.
Now do a video on 5 ways you can mitigate the financial losses because of the changes you suggested - It's easy to say what's wrong, but i've never heard one good idea on how to improve revenues. Those revenues that go back to associate nations for their development.
The problem with cricket is there are not enough audience for it in other countries.
Finally made a point
As an Indian, if India and Pakistan are not drawn together in the group stage, it’ll be a welcome thing for me.
They can try to format like nba seedings where the first seed gets a easy run through the final because they ended first place and the lower seeded ones will have a tougher run to the final
NBA is a league, which goes year round. This is a tournament. Their In-season tournament started last season, which was a failure mostly. Can't compare the 2. There is absolutely no scope of having a fair draw and manage all the logistics if things aren't predetermined for a tournament that lasts a month
@@prithviroy11 what are you on about? The In-Season tournament was a failure? By what metric? Literally every NBA fan was locked in for the entirety of the period which it was happening and many teams cared about it as well and were playing those games like they meant everything.
@@prithviroy11 no i meant like keep the same group stage format but instead super 8 stage u can have quarter final,semi final,(knockout format). the nba aspect is that the top 8 teams will be ranked based on points obtained and nrr.For example, this t20wc u would have 1)wi,2)aus,3)sa,4)ind,5)afg,6)ban,7)eng,8)usa where 1 seed(wi) vs 8 seed(usa) , 2 seed aus vs 7 seed(eng) , 3 seed(sa) vs 6 seed(ban).
@@hrishikeshnambiar2449 I think they want a certain number of games in a tournament to earn a certain amount of money. Otherwise, this format would make a lot of sense. And one more reason could be that in a knockout game, rain interruption would equalize the obvious advantage one team has over the other. Whereas in Super 8 each team had 3 games to prove their quality to get to the semis.
@@rangergaming8316 do you remember who won? Many people don't, therefore it was considered a failure. Teams would obviously take it seriously, there was money involved. And despite that, there is still a champion at the end of the season. It won't go on for much longer, trust me.
Everything happens what BCCI want thats what ruined cricket. They knew india always wins in group stages so they make ind vs aus earlier so it will create less chances that aus meet them in semi or final. Secondly, It's not a coincidence that india already played 2-3 games on the particular ground where they will play pak and pak havnt played on that ground, even one match. Thirdly, look at the venues india playing against the teams that dsnt have the advantage as india. Thats why they couldnt win any trophies in 11 yrs as they cheats
Why call the schedule "Fixture" if it is not fixed.
To start with, don’t have some kind of World Cup every year, that’s ridiculous, even thing about this World Cup seems wrong, pitches in New York, schedules of some teams way easier than others, India playing all the day matches, Other teams not knowing where they will play semi finals unless it’s determined where India finishes in their group , different set of rules for both semi finals, I’m an Indian and I’m not happy with how cricket is run, ICC is a joke and it’s hilarious to think that we expect cricket to grow in new countries
Should get DK on there to provide a non-Anglo view, majority of comments get lost on that point instead of treating their views on merit.
Yes, as an Indian I will watch any game of India in the World cup at any time.
Agreed. It's too repetitive. Would like to see india new Zealand USA Nepal westindies in one group for example next time.
these guys are right too but at the same time i feel their jealousy is very high england used to do such things in past very frequently too
Cricket needs to truly grow so the entire economics of the game isn't dependent on 1 nation. 😕
Big thing is stretch out the world cups. We need the suspense to build up for at least more than a year!!!! The last World Cup (even tho it was ODI) was in October. Also, at the moment, any bilateral series is seen as build up for the next World Cup which diminishes the value of an individual series. Since 2019, we’ve had 3 T20 world cups and 2 ODI world cups in 5 years!!!!! Make the World Cup an event not something that just happens every year.
Indian here, the 1000 pound gorilla that is the BCCI is intent on killing the golden goose that is Cricket. The bigwigs at the top have always been political appointees who have no skill, talent or genuine love for the game but dictate terms with regards to how the sport is run worldwide. At the moment there are only 3 countries with healthy cricketing eco systems, even if one falls the sport will drift back into irrelevance.
Live random draw for the group stage (4 pots of five teams based on T20 rankings), final group matches played at the same time, no second group stage, all knockout matches played under the same conditions, limited travel requirements during the group stage.
Well first and foremost don't arrange these matches in the countries where it's predicted to rain during the tournament. Select venues where pitch does not unreasonably favour side batting or bowling first to reduce the 'toss' factor. Make sure pitches are fair, without uneven bounce and which don't change/deteriorate during both innings. Lastly avoid day night matches which unfairly bring in factors like 'dew' and light conditions in the equation. Basically ensure the same level playing field for both sides.
It is quite funny that Europeans don't mind crazy timings set for formula 1 to suit viewership in Europe. But when a sport prioritizes south Asia, it needs to grow up.
Setting up India vs Pakistan has adversely affected Pakistan chances in world cup and limited them with just 1 cup. If they lose to India, they can’t afford to lose another game and it also demoralizes them.
As an indian even I don't want Ind vs pak in wc events in a group, in 2023 50 wc all teams played against all the teams participated in wc unlike old formats and T20 formats, I don't want to see india play pak in group stage of clash comes in knockouts it ok one can't avoid that.
All points are absolutely on point and there are more,me being an Indian, still dont like that its always all things advantage India,the kick of winning is when it is against all odds,these types of things also take away from the due credit of the indian players themselves when they play good cricket to win
People in USA are the real winners here. The matches start at 9:30 am cst and 7:30 pm cst. What a breeze this tournament has been for us😅.
Even for the sake of argument lets accept the fact that ICC has predetermined the Indian matches but what if India lose those matches? Will they ever gonna play the 2nd semi final in Guyana? What if India didn't top the group stage matches, what if India would be on 2nd position in group matches, then will India gonna play the 2nd semi final?
The thing is India has become such a super power in Cricket that every tom, dick and harry in the whole world are criticising!
Hi team
I am an admirer of Jarrod. My question yo Jarrod is -
1) Can you please put some light on westindies cricket 🏏. 2) Do you see they have a sustainable future now for cricketers and also do you think their cricketing quality s still among the top 3 for t20 s. What i see is plenty of talent but somehow players are not delivering to their full potential.
3) do you think this wc has benefited west indies cricket and their viewers market overall.
95% of the interest and funding comes from India(ns), I don’t like seeing the fixtures determined the way they are but it’s better than having no tournament at all which is what will happen if the money goes away.
6:18 that's not true, people have to go to offices, school and other work, so viewership would affect significantly like by 40% if the matches are played during night time like it happened in Eng vs Ind semifinal yesterday
Ind v Pak is more about reminiscing Sharjah days & the stars that have played previously. We rarely get a high quality game. The 2022 game was an exception to what is otherwise a dull 1-sided contest.